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died or was in a coma... that picture doesnt look dead to me... he is dead and still gat drip in his hands... lol he woke up from a coma is more like it

ChurchillStorm:
lol. Agnostic-deist to be exact

mehn all this religious belief dont make any sense at all

Saraha1:
Are you telling me that the mouth which you want to use to bound and loose is thesame mouth you should engage in such dirty activities?

Some people speak in tongue ,right? Good, so are you saying that the same mouth you use to speak in such adorable way ,it that same tongue you want to allow to be mainipulated by devilish act?
One thing that is certain is the fact that, some will accept that the act is bad ,while some will just want to justify it by all means to make a point.

some will be falling because of the anointing of the holy ghost and still yet that same body filled with the anointing will be used for sex..
why dont you just tell us sex is bad and i would advice you go become a catholic nun.

twosquare:
what am trying to point out there is not the homosexuality but the unnatural use of something for another thing which is against nature. Sorry, the tongue is not meant for the va.gina: the pe.nis is and vice versa. All these things are just a product of western invasion which was propagated through all the x_rated movies and indecency stars.
Imagine the lips which grace has been poured into and tongue which has been anointed to speak better things, na im u now dey use lick a V or P.... Those are vile passions...*nd many of you don't even know what most of these things connotes in the spirit. It is an art of worship.

even your christian belief is still as a result of that same western invasion remember that

ChurchillStorm:
Abeg, no insult God based on the Christian's depiction of him jare. Religion is trash. God might not even be in the shape of a Hunan or even have a throne or live in heaven. That rubbish book, the bible, read and analyze the mumu book and you'll indeed know that it doesn't make sense at all.

i think you were a christian now turning agnostic...lol

Image123:
johnydon22, you didn't answer my question?

i want to know not believe... believing something means having complete faith in it whether its true or not but i for one dont just want to believe i want to know...

majorgr:
Actually God did not send satan to the earth. If u read carefully where in the old testament it talked about God casting satan and his cohort to the earth it is translated in the Hebrew word wilderness, English scholars when translating it used earth but it wasn't the earth. It was a kind of spirit wilderness where God being just, stripe satan of all kind of authority and cast a proud spirit to the low less of places. That's why satan sought to come to the earth cuz he wasn't comfortable In the wilderness he was banished to. Also, if u read carefully in the book of luke, where Jesus said He beheld satan fall as a flash of lightning, notice carefully Jesus didn't say he beheld satan fall to the earth, but simply said fall. He said this purposely, remember Jesus also brought to our attention that when a demon is cast out it wonder in the wilderness seeking rest but findest non... Does this bring to our remembrance what I said about the Hebrew word meaning wilderness from the old testament? Finally the only other places in the Bible that use the word earth relating to satan's banishment is the book of revelation, where the Apostle was relating to a vision in which satan was cast down to the earth. Again, it is pertinent to know that the Bible wasn't originally written in English so we must go back to its epimological instructions to understand this, the word earth use in this content in the Greek suggests it is another region, not practically earth, this kicks in our wilderness that was translated in the old testament and also in the statement of Jesus. I hope I shed small light on this.

revelation 12:9 and the great dragon know as satan/devil was hurled down to earth together with his angels, verse 12 rejoice, therefore o you heavens and you who dwell in them but woe to you, earth and sea for the devil has come down to you in great anger knowing that he has but a little time....
and you are telling me he wasnt hurled down here on earth.... the devil hurled down from heaven decided to pour his anger on the innocent ones here on earth, and even angel that couldnt even defeat the devil is busy shouting woe to earth and sea when you sent them the woe...

Shirley07:
God gives everyone benefit of the doubt. Do you know you can change God's mind? However, his principles remain unchanged.
Why did God send Satan to the earth? It's because earth is the abode for living creatures below heaven. Heaven as we all know, can not house unclean things. Hence, Satan have to be sent out.
Why did God send Satan where his most loved creatures lives or why didn't he kill him outrightly? The reason is he knows his most loved creature, which is man can subdue Satan as they are more powerful than him. However, that's only possible if they don't bow to him and obey him.
God didn't kill Satan because he didn't create us with the intention to kill. Hence, all his special creatures has living spirits that can't die, just like him. But know that great purnishment awaits the soul that sin and fails to repent.
Didn't he know that Satan is capable of tempting us? Of course he did knows. However, he gives us the benefit of the doubt because he has equipped us with power and the free will to choose him over satan which man failed to.
Note that Christ wasn't exempted from this, he himself was tempted by Satan to choose him over God.
Why did God give us a free mind? Because none of it would have made sense if his creatures were just robots. Remember that he created us in the likeness of his own image. He didn't only create us with a free mind but also, created us with good nature, just like himself until man sinned.
Now, he has reedemed us through the shedding of the blood of his son so that we will be able to live a righteous life, enabling us to partake in his heavenly kingdom and avoid hell, designed for satan and his angel.

first of all the earth is not the only planet their is, so dont tell me earth is the abode below heaven cus its not the only one... their are billions and trillions of planets our there... an all knowing God will know that sending lucifer here would put man in a tight end, that many will fall yet he sent him anyway. the last i checked humans are even terrified of lucifer....

sukkot:
because it was time for christ to ascend to heaven. you cant have light and darkness together. the light extinguishes the darkness. christ the 14th family and devil the 13th family are like a yoyo, when one goes down the other rises up. there has been a deep wide gulf of divide put between the both of them. i shall put enmity between your seed and her seed

are you saying lucifer was still in heaven when christ was here on earth?

Emusan:
Had it been that you read my post above you wouldn't have asked this question.

God wants to create and He did create all things BUT HE ALSO WANTS TO CREATE beings that have MIND and it's not possible to create a being that have MIND without having POWER OF REASONING but in other for each being not to MISUSE THE ABILITY OF REASONING God also placed a COMMAND.

God knows we can misuse this ABILITY OF REASONING that's why he placed commandment in between.

To ask why God create Day Star or Adam after He knows that they will disobey Him? Is to ask why God brought everything into existence in the first place?

Lastly, God wants to create and He created but it's not possible for God to create a being with MIND without having POWER OF REASONING that will make the MIND useless and WITHOUT MIND Angels and MAN are like A ROBOT.


Come Lord Jesus!

i think you are actually telling us God didnt know that particular angel lucifer would rebel or turn bad right

Emusan:
And you said you're born again YET what you're doing is nothing but using your mind of Atheism to conflict the reveal word of God--BIBLE.

Now let me enlighten you small.

Firstly, God didn't create Lucifer/Satan what God created was 'DAY STAR' it was Day Star who turned himself to Satan/Lucifer. Satan/Lucifer simply means OPPOSITION, so it was Day Star's action that made him became OPPOSITION.

"Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, [size=14pt]till unrighteousness was found in thee...,[/size] Thy heart was lifted up because of thy beauty; thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I have cast thee to the ground; I have laid thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Ezek 28:15, 17

As you claimed God didn't create Day Star so that he CAN TURN BAD, know this that all creation of God that have MIND were created with POWER OF REASONING and when Day Star put his own POWER OF REASONING into action beyond his limit by lusted after his POWER and BEAUTY he became OPPOSITION, HOW?

He forgot that he is a created being so he wants to put himself in the position of God even the higher position above God.

Secondly, you want to know why God cast Satan to Earth and not another planet or destroy Satan at once!
Know this first that Bible may used Earth for where Satan was cast to but it doesn't necessarily mean that it was only planet Earth the BIBLE says Satan found no place no more in heaven and he was cast down.

Now let's look at Day Star challenges before he was cast down;
"And thou saidst in thy heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; and I will sit upon the mount of congregation, in the uttermost parts of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High. Isa 14:13-14

We find two things very astonished in this passage;
1. This evil desire was still IN THE HEART of Day Star
2. Day Star said he will SIT UPON THE MOUNT OF CONGREGATION, which congregation is he talking about?
This congregation can't be the Angels.

Now after all these challenges if God destroyed Day Star instantly the rest of the Angels MIGHT THINK God is unjust for destroying Day Star for no reason, so what God can do is to allow enough time to pass so that DAY STAR can prove all what he thinks in his heart BUT NOT IN HEAVEN because the Lord can not dwell with iniquity.

So God hurled Satan to the lower part of heaven where Angels and Man can see for themselves whether Day Star can meet all his challenges.

You may ask, didn't God know that Day Star will become unrighteous/Satan before He created him?
Yes God knows that Day Star will become OPPOSITION because God didn't create any being that has MIND to be ROBOT but they all posses the POWER OF REASONING and for a creature with POWER OF REASONING not to over use this ability God also placed a COMMAND.

I can't go full detail about this...but I hope this will help a little.

Understanding how Day Star became an opposition against the perfect creation of God and how God handle the situation helps believers to trust more in God for His justice, God is not an Unjust God He will always deal with us just fully.

I'm a fallible man with a limited mind trying to discern an infallible and unlimited mind of God, my post is opened to correction.

In the service of our dear Lord I remain...come Lord Jesus!

first of all lucifer is the latin word for morning star or day star as you called it.
so when God created lucifer he didnt know lucifer would turn bad

honourhim:
This leads us back to my earlier points. What if God's concept in creation is to have the world as a place of good and evil while heaven is a place of total good and hell fire as a place of total evil? And if this is his concept of creating the world, then someone must have to be an instrument or channel through which evil will enter the world hence he sent the devil down here.

Every creator has a concept before creating. Whether the concept is appreciated or not is a different matter.
Every concept will always have those who appreciates it and those who don't so its not strange when some people seem to kick against God with regards to his concept(the world).

God has created everything according to his concept. The best we can do is to check the options he has put on ground and make a wise choice. Rebelling against him is never going to work out any good for anybody at the end of the day because we can't do anything to him. For me, this is how I see God and creation.

My dear I'm ready to flow with God by his grace. He is the boss, suprerior to us all and there's nothing we can do about it. We are all strangers here and we just have to play by the rules on the ground if we must get through. Cheers bro.

so God created the beautiful angel lucifer so he can turn bad, and he will send him down to earth and later on you blame lucifer for all his misdeeds... who will you blame the car that hit someone or the person driving review all this and tell me how it corresponds with God being all good, all loving, all merciful, all just and loves man so much...its impossible

A confused brother asks a question and instead of helping him with answers you turn around and insult him branding him an atheist... christians are just pathetic. am sure none of them knows exactly what to answer and they resort to insults... sad very sad...

Image123:
To be born of God, to have repented and to be or claim to be a child of God.

if thats what you mean then yes am a born again and am looking for answers or am i just to believe what is conflicting my reason i believe i have the right to ask questions!!!

honourhim:
Satan was the one who led man into evil. That's why I said that these happenings are for purposes. Satan fulfilled that purpose of leading man to evil and he is still doing that today thereby making the world a place of both evil and good. Rev 13:8 shows that the redemption plan was made from the foundation of the world. This shows that God knew that man will sin even before he created him. For him to have gone ahead to create shows its part of his plan. Except if we are saying that some of these things took God unawares. Its just my view which may be wrong. God knows the best.



But its not everybody that is going to hell. Those who choose heaven are also making heaven. His concept in this case is choice.




We are not going to heaven because of our being good but by accepting Jesus into our lives and leaning on his grace daily. Tho some preachers say it as if its by our goodness. No its not. Our righteousness is as filthy rag before God. Heaven is very easy to make by God's grace. People think its hard to make. Its not.

so satan led man to sin, would he have done that if he was not hurled down here in the first place. . . you said God planned it all so the redemption plan can take place... but why not just dont let it happen and man wouldnt sin and no need for the redemption scene to take place... how can you know your child will be hit by a car instead of preventing it, you let the child get hit in hope to take him to hospital....hmmmmmm LOVE!!!

tempem:
The Bible said it, point blank that Satan is the ruler of this world... .. John 12:31... And 1john 5:19.. Check Bible verses sir.
It's difficult to believe, but your Bible will make you believe.

so the devil was hurled down here to rule the earth

larryozomah:
The kind of question people ask eh......So who do you expect to answer this question now... God PA abi

lmao...so you dont know the amswer na

Image123:
Are you born again? If no, do you intend to become born again once the question is answered or what exactly is the plan?

please sir tell me exactly what you mean by BORN AGAIN

honourhim:
You see this is why i said that all these are for a purpose. God is a creator, for him to allow what he could ve prevented to happen indicates that there is a purpose.

Dont you think that being a creator who knows the end from the beginning all these things that have happened and are happening could actually be his concept about the world- a place of evil and good, while heaven is a place of total good and hell a place of total evil?

Again in line with this, dont you think that creations are structured to manifest the person of God, both his attributes and concept?

All that I'm saying are my own views.though. We are just reasoning out things.
Thanks.

then assuming i agree with what you say, earth is a place of good and bad and heaven only good while hell total evil... then the purpose becomes keep man in a place of both evil and bad, no its not bad enough add the devil to it. then later judge man who is in a place of good and bad for being bad and throw him inside hell fire.
as long as we are on this earth we can never be totally good or totally bad, we can never be like God. like you said he is in a place of total goodness so he can never be bad.... and this issue of good and bad on earth being his concept for earth what about other planets. . . my question still rings WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE FOR ALLOWING SOMETHING THAT NEED NOT HAPPEN THAT YOU HAVE EASILY PREVENTED... WHY WAS THE DEVIL HURLED DOWN TO EARTH to deal with man and later on man will be hurled down to hell to continue being dealt with by satan... in all this struggle for power, man is now the victim caught in the cross fire. what could just have taken a snap of a finger to prevent

allen6758:
Asking why did God send the devil to earth is really asking asking why does evil exist? People have been asking that question for a very long time and the truth is no one knows. We are taught in scripture how to deal with evil but not its purpose. Not to be too presumptuous but it is in overcoming adversity that strengthens us and builds our character. Good can come from some of the worst tragedies. Personally I see the story of the fall as a metaphor. It is in Revelations that it tells of the devil being cast down to earth. I wouldn't take that too literally. It is about the friction between our carnal desires and our spiritual inclinations. We have to keep our carnality in check not giving in to every desire we may have. We all have struggles but we do have a choice in the matter, we don't have to be evil we can do good if that is what we want. We have to find the balance between the carnal side of our existence and the spiritual. We do that by living as the bible teaches. Sin is when we use our natural inclinations in a distorted way.

after all said and done i think the conclusion we can all draw one explaination. Man created the concept of devil to explain why evil was on earth. . . even the creation story never blamed satan for the fall of adam and eve. it was the talking snake, which is why God punished snakes to crawl on its belly, it was later interpretation that said it was the devil. so the question of how evil existed on earth that led man to create the concept of devil/satan/lucifer. . . man was born neither good or bad. no man is evil and no man is good it is the choices we make in our actions that read good or bad

bambeolumide:
Glory be to God Almighty, the father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
There should not be any compromise at all, as we are trying to edify our soul.
WHY GOD THREW Satan on EARTH
We all need to be very vigilant in the things that has to do with spiritual things. Boble is our standard. The Answer is in the word.
Satan was in heaven then, he was the seal of perfection, very beautiful, a choir, the wisest among the Angels, ability to ignite/illuminate light by himself and most especially, he was the closest to God among the Angels. He was given opportunity to walk through the mountain/fire of God.
His character couldnt sustain the position he held. He manifested pride and sold his beauty because of splendor. He was once a perfect angel, just like others. But one day God began to observe some strange character in this angels(demons). God observe sin in their life and in them first was darkness namifested. God gave unto them time/chances enough for them to repent but they always pursuit their destruction.
Satan desire the throne of God, he wanted to be like the most high, he wanted to be above the stars/angels of God. He was the first to be ignorance, disobey, lie, murder, steal, kill, commit errors, turn his light into darkness and SIN.
He persuaded other angels too which were like unto him to all work together as a team in rebelling against the GOD of the creation and the Uncreated Creator. God permited all this and give all the angels choice to belong to one side, God or satan.
Some angels/demons chose to follow satan while the rest chose to be on the Lord side. After the final screening the war began in Heaven while the devil and his angels lost the battle and was THROWN DOWN TO EARTH. He was behelded by Micheal/Jesus and his angels like a lightning splash from Heaven. The two edged sword casted him to Earth. He was too powerless to fight the Lord of glory. All he had was given by God/creator.
After he lost the battle, he knew who God is the more and he knew his fate.
God permited the division in Heaven to really know those who really loved him. Anything that is of force is out of love.
Satan became so furios because of his position, abode and beauty he lost and because of his uncahangeable and regretful fate he chose, he implemented the same into man and capture man. Where he was casted down his where we were going, so he made a vow that no man should ever make it there.
Have you not heard where demon said we can not burn alone, we have to burn together.
He concluded in his heart that since his fate his unchangeable that he should do the greatest evil to man. The devil focus on us as much as God does.
God permited him to tempt us because he wanted us to be screened as the Angels were, that is why those who are holy will someday be equal to an Angel.
WHY DID GOD THREW HIM ON EARTH
There is no doubt about it at all that God has more than enough power to destroy him instantly, but note this.
Judgement is different from power.
Judgement must be patiently done. They were reserved for the day of judgement. Judgement must not be done any how.
Power without control can become powerless.
I meet you in grace and i leave you with the same.
Amen.

even tho the begining sounded just like fairy tale (perfect beings turning bad ) am still lost at the ending part. what has satan's judgement got to do with us.. you still did not answer my humble question WHY EARTH OF ALL PLACES.? why must satan be thrown down to earth instead of other unihabited planet

honourhim:
God's purpose. To manifest Wrath and mercy which are part of his attributes according to the scripture.

Without satan's rebelling God's wrath couldnt have been made manifest. Without sin by man God's mercy couldnt have been made manifest.

Also being a just God, there has to be positive and negative side that will manifest his just nature.

My humble views

isnt prevention better than cure why would God do that just to prove his mercy and wrath whereas he could have just snapped his finger there would be no satan.
why create us if it was just to fulfill a purpose where he proves his wrath and mercy, so we are just lab rats right? . . . the idea of being a just God there must be positive and negative side that will manifest in his nature: are you by any means saying God is not all good
he created us, created the fruit of knowledge forbade man from eating it instead of not creating it at all, then allows the devil to rule us, his son dies before we could be forgiven of a sin that was committed by adam and eve not us. then later later he will come and vanquish the devil, retake the earth and punish the devil and humans that sin!!!

tempem:
Yeah... Any issue with that?

he owned what he did not create.. are you kidding me so you are implying satan snatched the world God created from God and started ruling it.. and God must kill his son before he can take it back wow mehn i gat many issues with dat nawa ooo

honourhim:
Bro dont you see purpose in all these things? Since God is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient, it then means that none of this happenings(starting from the fall of Lucifer to the creation story and to the birth of Jesus etc) took him by surprise. He was aware before creation because he sees the end from the beginning. Going by what i ve said it means that all these were structured to fulfill purpose. My humble view.

thanks bro i appreciate... whose purpose and which purpose exactly...

MizMyColi:

LoL Xcapizt

Check this out.
From a christian I deeply respect #RichardMurray.

When Isaiah is speaking here, he is translating the
divine impulses of inspiration from the Lord the best
he can. But remember, he had an undifferentiated
view of God, a fundamental blind-spot which affected
and limited everything he received from the Lord. He
wrongly believed, as did all Old Testament saints,
that Satan was the left hand of God, an obedient
extension of Yahweh's wrathful will.

This is why John 1:18 says no Old Testament saint
had truly beheld God at any time. Jesus came to
DIFFERENTIATE and DIVORCE our understanding
of God AND Satan, to completely separate and forever sever their natures, wills and purposes. As for Isaiah, he certainly knew God created light and was full of goodness, BUT he did not know that Satan was a cosmic rebel totally operating without Divine
permission or sanction.

Isaiah in this verse was misattributing, or perhaps
better described, "improperly blending" his images of
God and Satan into one bi-polar UNDIFFERENTIATED image. Jesus couldn't be clearer that Satan was a liar, murderer, and rebel being, and that he did not operate at the command of the Heavenly Father.

Sometimes, OT authors were improperly attributing Satan's works and words to Yahweh. Other times OT saints were rightly attributing Yahweh's mighty deliverances to Yahweh alone. But, still other times, such as in this Isaiah passage, the OT saint is hearing God and Satan TOGETHER at the same time. Much like a radio dial receiving two different remote station signals at the same time, what comes out is a mish-mash of conflicting notions and ideas.

Similarly, what comes out in this Isaiah verse is a
confusing and contradictory statement in need of New Testament re-translation.

excuss i thought the holy spirit influenced the bible both old and new
testament...i wonder how the holy spirit made the OT writters to write
something and at the same time make the new testament writters to write
something totally different . . even the book of job clearly stated that satan
took permission before dealing with job...biko the bible is too self contradicting. i cant just be revolving my life and thinking over a book

excuss i thought the holy spirit influenced the bible both old and new testament...i wonder how the holy spirit made the OT writters to write something and at the same time make the new testament writters to write something totally different . . even the book of job clearly stated that satan took permission before dealing with job...

tempem:
Now I see your point, you're missing something.
Satan was still in heaven after man's creation...
Show me a bible account that prove that Satan has been sent down before creation.
But I'll show you a portion of the Bible that shows that Satan hasn't been sent down after creation. He had the privilege to come down to earth and that was the reason why he was privileged to deceive Adam and Eve, now consider ( Job 1:6&7, that was during the time of Job, examine the conversation that Satan had with God, to show that he still have the privilege to move both in the heaven and right here on earth.).
It was when Jesus went back to Heaven then he sent down satan here so that he wouldn't be opportune to get into the heavens again. Revelation 12:7,8,9,and 12.

so while he was in heaven doing those bad things which was clearly against God why wasnt he destroyed yet?. so Jesus must die before satan could be vanquished and thrown out i thought God could just snap his hand and the little bugger lucifer will just go out of existence. ... ok i agree after the death of christ satan was thrown out my question still remains WHY EARTH

wirelessssss:
Don't mind him.

It's clear the op is just having fun.

am seeking the truth bro... if you read the op well you will see that i am asking why satan was sent to earth instead of somewhere else...

oluwalfa:
why earth?

that is my question

wirelessssss:
Luci-fer is an exalted name meaning "Light Bearer" or "Bringer of Light".

He was sent by God to 'ENLIGHTEN' man... In the process he (Lucifer) derailed (story for another day) which consequently led to his falling short of the Glory of God. After the fall he lost the exalted name Lucifer. He became known as the D.evil! Also Satan!

lie lie lucifer was never sent to enlighten man. he was kicked out of heaven and hurled down to earth...

tempem:
You are so daft!
I'd have taken my time to give detailed explanations from the Bible, but sensed you might just...... ...
Well, irrespective of what you'd say, There are readers who could see sense in the this and some, otherwise. A short answer is;
The Bible says, Satan is the ruler of the world.
bearing that fact in mind, Jesus fought and defeated Satan and hurl him down, because he doesn't worth being in the heavens..
Well, soon God will bring an end to his rulership,
Dan 2:44,John 12:31.
But detailed explanation will give you more insight.

bros the fight was before man was created so how can satan be ruling what is not in existence yet. so God created man hurled satan down to us to rule us and then later come instead of taking back the earth he will just take a selected few who believed and throw others in fire...

Emusan:
Do you just want to mock God or you're in need of truth?

If you want to mock God, the answer to your question is seek for knowledge.

But if you're here to seek for the truth, then I can give my little contribution.

I seek truth so fire on brother