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italo:
The Bible has no contradictions.

The contradictions are in your misunderstanding of the Bible.

i doubt if you even know how the bible came to be.

italo:
The Bible has no contradictions.

The contradictions are in your misunderstanding of the Bible.

if i start showing you thousands of contradictions in the bible, you will run away but let me just spare myself the trouble.

italo:
Do Christians Sin?

by Kyle Butt, M.A.

A quick reading through the small epistle of 1 John reveals a number of verses that seem to disagree with each other. For instance, in 1 John 1:8,10 the author assures his readers that all people have sinned. In 2:1, John seems to indicate that even Christians will sin and therefore need Jesus Christ to be their advocate. Yet, 3:6 has John on record as saying: “Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.” In verse 8 of chapter 3, John wrote: “He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning.” And verse 9 states: “Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.” Steve Wells, in his work, The Skeptic’s Annotated Bible, wrote concerning these verses in chapter 3: “Earlier in this letter (1:8,10) John assured us that everyone sins. Yet in these verses he claims that Christians don’t sin” (Wells, 2003).

Are these verses examples of contradictions within the Bible? If they are not, what do they mean? Do Christians sin, or don’t they?

The answers to these questions actually are much simpler than it may, at first, appear. When we compare other translations of 3:6,8,9, we see that the actual Greek wording of the verses makes a major difference in the understanding of the passages. R.C.H. Lenski translated 3:6 as follows: “Everyone remaining in him does not go on sinning; everyone continuing to sin has not seen him, nor has he known him” (1966, pp. 457-458, emp. added). Lenski translated verse 9: “Everyone that has been born from God does not go on doing sinning because his seed remains in him; and he is not able to go on sinning because he has been born of God” (p. 462, emp. added). The New International Version translates 3:6: “No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him” (emp. added).

Lenski explained that 1 John 3:6,9 uses a Greek construction called the present durative, which should be translated “does not go on sinning” (pp. 458,462). John, then, is saying no more in these verses than what Paul was saying in Romans 6:1-2, when he stated: “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any long in it?” Numerous other verses teach that Christians will commit sins, even after they have been washed in the blood of Christ (cf. Romans 7:14-25; Philippians 3:12-13). However, John is saying that any person who rebelliously continues to sin, making it his or her usual, habitual way of life, is not following God. In 1 John 3:9, the Greek present infinitive means to habitually sin without compunction. In more practical terms (to offer an example), it is one thing for a Christian to slip up and commit an act of sexual immorality for which he or she is penitent. It is altogether another thing for a person to live as a prostitute and claim to be “having fellowship with the Father” (1 John 1:6).

Therefore, it is easily shown that no discrepancies exist between the verses under discussion in 1 John. Furthermore, it is refreshing to know that when a Christian does sin, “we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.”

http://www.apologeticspress.org

SO all this long unnecessary post when the answer needed was just yes or no!!! tcheeeew

Hiswordxray:
There are no contradictions in the Bible. For we speak "not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words. But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised." (1Cor 2:13-14)

apparently i cannot argue with someone who revolves his thinking over a book compiled by the church... you just making it seem the bible is ur brain. ....... everyone here knows the bible is full of contradictions and mistakes but no.you choose to defend it by quoting the bible hahahahahaha secularism chai

honourhim:
. Obviously none of us can do God anything. We can only be angry, speak abusive words to him, deny his existence but.....to our detriment we shall meet him on the other side of eternity. Who lost? Man. The need for us to be wise.

An adage in my place says- onye na amaghi onye kariri ya, bu ihe ojoo. (if one fails to recognize the superiority of someone over him, he suffers)

so i take it that you are only worshipping him because you fear him, because you fear what he might do to you during the supposedly eternity.... chai chai!!! ....... i like your type gan, you are no longer trying to defend evil because of religion, you are now using the fear factor, **make we worship this deity oo because if all they say is true then he go really deal with person for eternity ooo** hahahahaha SMH

CANTICLES:
its a pity this is what christendom turn you to ....... Remove the wool from ur eyes , the transfiguration is just a " Vision" Matt 17:9

Vision hahahahahahahahahahaha you christians never cease to amaze me...

Hiswordxray:
This same John you quoted said in 1John 3:9 "9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God."

If you don't understand the Bible simply ask for me to explain it to you

abeg christians what do you have to say about this dude claiming he is not a sinner because he saw where it was written in the bible that christians dont sin...lwkmd ooo

Hiswordxray:
This same John you quoted said in 1John 3:9 "9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God."

If you don't understand the Bible simply ask for me to explain it to you

see as you yourself is even showing me the contradictions in the bible... you personally dont you sin? stop quoting bible and tell me yes or no!!!

CANTICLES:
They are all in d graves (even King David Act 2:29,34)), awaiting a ressurection !! U make me wonder if u u exist before u were born ??

so moses and elijah are in the grave but still came to meet jesus at the mountain (matthew 17) ... hahahahahaha see contradictions oo.
.. i thought they were in a state of non-existence... waiting to see your next fabrication full of fallacy

Hiswordxray:
"Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies." (Rom 8:23)

"whoever say he is doesnt sin makes God a liar" 1st John 1:10 ...... so you see, you just made your God a liar... hehehehehehe nice job sir

CANTICLES:
am happy that u realise that livin forever is not for animals , But unfortunately man lost dat gift and thus was " short lived" Job 7:1 , but u fail to reaiize the love of God in this regard when he sent his only begotten son to die for the sin of mankind , and thus anyone exercising faith and following God's command (john 3:16) can once again have that prospect that adam lost , " for death came thru one man ( Adam) and ressurection of the dead came thru another man ( Jesus) " 1cor 15:21 .... The people u mentioned have this hope of a ressurection from d sleep of death ; Beacause " there is going to be a ressurection" Act 24:15

y'all are the most confused people in the world... none of you even know what you are talking about....... i ask again abraham and the rest who died before christ came just went into a state of non-existence

Hiswordxray:
As a child of God I cannot sin and it is impossible for me to go to hell.

ok you just admitted to me that you DONT SIN....am sure you know lying is a sin

Hiswordxray:
Gen 2:24 "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh."
The Church is the bride of Christ and according to the ancient Jewish marriage ceremony the groom will leave his bride for a year and will come at a date unknown to the bride. And when he comes for his bride the marriage festival begins. "Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.” (Rev 19:7). When Jesus finally marries his bride he has to leave his father and go start a family of his own. Remember the man is the head and ruler of his family.

hahahahahahahaha funny

Ukutsgp:
moses wrote it.

JUDE was inspired by God.

so you were told....i told you to go and research.

honourhim:
Bro kindly tell me what you can do to punish God for these acts pls? I'm waiting for your answers. Cheers.

just bring him to me hehehehe

Hiswordxray:
I am telling you the child of God cannot sin. It is impossible for him to sin.

i asked a simple question ARE YOU TELLING ME YOU DO NOT SIN and you are here saying child of God cannot sin, are you not a child of God so tell me you dont sin

DrLazDevitan:
Then...

Can we say,all angels can't be male or female since we can't prove the sexuality of angels?

in genesis chapter 6 angels bleeped the daughters of men... does angels were males dude

Katier00:
it is possible they have s*xual organ but i cant prove it, all i know is that we are created in God's image and likeness and i think the angels are too

so God would create inperfect man in his own image and create the angels that stand before him in another form ok nice one

Ukutsgp:
jude received the revelation through the power of the holyghost. U know also that moses was nt there during creation, but he wrote about it with great accuracy through God's inspiration.

and you think moses wrote genesis... chisooos see ignorance... go and research abuh genesis and creation and u will see... jude recieved revelation hahahahahaha funny...

Ukutsgp:
stop all those joke. There is nothing like conji killing people in Heaven.

so you are saying they dont av joysticks and sexual urges?

Hiswordxray:
1John 3:9 "Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God." This verse is talking about the seed of God in you which carries God's nature. By that seed you cannot sin. If we live by the seed inside of us or by the nature of God in us we can not sin. Living by God's nature is living as the child of God which you are. Therefore as a child of God (i.e living by God's nature) we cannot sin. This is what the Bible teaches.

so sir you are tell me you do not sin, yes?

CANTICLES:
Read more , this people that are killed are wicked beings ... Can you imagine that they " even burn their sons and their daughters to their gods" Deu 12:31 , Nevertheless God notice the good ones among them , the people of Nineveh were spared when dey repent , infact Rahab the prostitute is also spared with her family !!! To be honest , do u know why Jonah ran away when God sends him to the people of Nineveh , He says its beacause " He knew he is a compassionate and merciful God, Slow To anger and abundant in loyal love, one who feel grieved over calamity" Jonah 4:2 !! He pardoned the people of Nineveh ...... But I Dont Blame U Though, u av been misinformed with the catholic fictional hell doctrine that has no basis in the Original Hebrew and Greek writings of the scriptures

i hate it when people try to justify such homicidal act. nobody gave isreal the right to kill a whole race. talking about child sacrifice i think abraham started it. . . so by wiping a whole race even the unborn ones god sort to purge the world of evil? by killing innocent children and women and even unborn one, is he not worse than that their god that demand child sacrifice?? it can never be justified, it is against humanity and any human that tries to justify it is not worthy to be called human. i dont know why people will always see the truth and always try to.cover it in the name of religion, they will see evil and try to justify it in the name of religion. . . who is exactly is evil

READINGLIFE:
Wrestling words with you would be demeaning. It is clearly written, "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish, foolishness; but unto us which are saved, it is the power of GOD" (1Corinthians 1:18).

I'd advise you thus, "...choose you this day whom ye will serve...but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD" (Joshua 24:15). Shalom!

why didnt you answer his question, you resorted to quoting a bible verse that insults him and call him foolish...smh

CANTICLES:
Wait! If Jesus didnt come to save mankind, what will happen to us ?? Dead of course , so did God plan that we live for few years and den die ?? No , to amend this " God sent his only- begotten son ... That whosoever believe in him might not perish But have everlasting life" John 3:16 ! Notice it says ' whosoever belive in him' so if you believe that God sent Jesus as a tool to save mankind from dying like animals, you wuld follow his commandment and thereby receive the " gift" of everlasting life ( rom 6:23) but those who refuse will remain in death state(rom6:23) ! As for lake of fire , bro revelation is written in 'signs' rev1:1 , the scripture indicate that anything that goes into d symbolic lake of fire CEASE TO Exist ( death is thrown into lake of fire ( Rev20:14) EXPLAINED: death cease to exist ( Rev 21:4))

lol so abraham, samuel and others that died before jesus came died like animals right?

Katier00:
I dnt agree with you , sexual urge is natural and God made so i dnt consider it a sin. the sons of God where not lusting and we dnt have any prove that angels dnt have urge. God made s*x. God created everything good.

so angels have joysticks and sexual urges for thousands of years now those guys have been dying of conji... oh no poor things

DrLazDevitan:
Do you think all angels should be male?

Why for YES/NO?

i dont know thats why i asked

HARMONIEE:
Yes. LUKE 20:34-36

how exactly does that show we have female angels...

HARMONIEE:
Yes. LUKE 20:34-36

what

LordReed:
Did I say Jesus was Joseph's biological son? Maybe you should digest my last post again.

then simple Jesus was not from the line of david... why argue over it when its plainly clear staring us in the face but no you would rather defend a lie and call it true because you were taught that it is true..

Debeloved87:
Let me contribute... They were angels that slept with men's daughters... Ok this angels are called watchers, at that time they are the closest to earth they watch over the earth and give reports to the heavens, they deliver message to earth also from the heavens.... So as a result of their closeness to earth they know every about the earth and they were drawn to the daughters of men... This is the real gist, men were once angels but after the fall of Adam, mens body became like that of a beast, so the watchers feel that at least they are still of the same family with man but it's a pity man's body have become like that of a beast, so when they came upon the daughters of men the biological, chemical reaction that took place result to giants not just the kind of giants you see today, I mean giants as tall as 25 storey building... And also they themselves were defiled being angels yet slept with daughters of men in their beastly form, so they were locked out of heaven and imprisoned in the desserts part of the earth, having defiled themselves and polluted the earth with strange beings. The weight of their punishment is enough for any angels not to fall into that kind of temptation. All those giants were slaughtered in a fierce battle and those that remain were killed by the flood, their spirits is what we known today as evil spirits which also disturbs the sons and daughters of men today as spirit husband and spirit wife..

... Well you may not get those things I just told you in the scripture but extensive reading of sacred books will enlighten you, not all things are put in the bible... You can seek for knowledge but mind how you seek and were you seek from knowledge turns man to a God but because he doesn't know nor ready for it, it destroys him.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha ur story is too funny jareee abeg make i laugj again...
angels with joystick and sexual urges
bleep the daughters of men
were punished by chaining in some desert bla bla bla...so now other angels now hold their joysticks tight so as not to commit. for thousands of years now they are all sex starved ... hahahahahahahahahaha poor angels..
why exactly do the angels have joysticks, what exactly are they doing with the joysticks cus we humans atleast use ours to procreate. . . what will you take for you people to see that all this are just one big jewish myth that does not even concern us.

dadaadec:
just being bothered and thats y i ask, coz we all believe he has a long hair, he is fair and tall but who really knws how he looks? nobody... maybe he never keeps his hair, maybe not!

ok na malam....are u ok now

Ukutsgp:
from the book of jude.

and jude was there in heaven to witness their imprisonment... habaaaaaaa i tire for una ooo