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Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 8:35am On Nov 01, 2017
Tosin Adeoti

"Some people didn't wake up to this beautiful morning, I did! I'm blessed!"

Well, think again! They are in Heaven now, and you are still trapped in this most backward country where nothing works! So who is really Blessed?

Sometimes I wonder if people REALLY believe what they profess - that Heaven is a better place.
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 2:43pm On Oct 31, 2017
Olatunde Olayinka Ayinde

Teaching children empathy and ethics

Many of us owe our ethical behaviours to religion, because it was the only way our parents and our society knew to teach right and wrong. But as we grew up, the simple model of the world that we knew became inadequate. And the model needed to be stepped up.

Back in the day, you don't steal because your parents and teachers said so, and as an aide mémoire, a pretty cane would be placed somewhere conspicuous to augment the message. Later the tactics change. You don't steal, because Santa Claus detests it and would not bring you gifts at Christmas. You don't steal, because Allah hates it, because Jesus hates it, because Krishna, Ahura Mazda, Amadioha, Sango, Thor...hates it... And so on. Then parents, teachers, religious leaders and society start to paint the picture of the most gruesome place of punishment and vengeance: hell, everlasting fire. The regime of irrational fear begins, breeding damaged adults.

But children outgrow father Christmas, and much later; they disconnect from the myriads of contradicting and conflicting deities and their instructions; they learn that waiting for effects of their actions till after they are dead is not an effective way of linking cause and effect and the trail gets very cold, starting an insidious process of eroding their sense of responsibility. Or how does one explain the current generation of irresponsible adult Nigerians: politicians, civil servants, business people, academics, even clergymen?

But there is a way to teach ethics to children that lasts. Little Uche, how would you feel when you return home one day and someone has stolen your indomie, ribena, toys, your father's car that takes you to school and your mothers money from where she gives you pocket money? Explore the emotional reactions of anger at the perpetrator, sadness at the act, future mistrust of society when you can't be sure to find your stuff where you kept them and the feeling of helplessness from the utter chaos that results from property not being safe. Let the young person understand that these are the things that happen when people's properties are stolen. It is a painful experience. And all this is true. There's not a single lie there.

Telling children that unseen deities are the reason why they shouldn't steal takes away their responsibility to fellow humans and society. It doesn't let them see the immediate effect of their actions. Telling them the effects of stealing on fellow humans and society, is not only true now, it stays true throughout their adult lives, it teaches them responsibility and empathy.

It is then an easy thing to teach them later about laws, law enforcement and punishment in the here and now. Teaching moral behaviour via lies, inaccuracies and fear may be effective in the short term but may turn out to be counterproductive long term. The knowledge gained this way has a better chance of decay, and the process creates adults who don't feel they owe other humans any responsibility; they only owe gods explanations, and this comes with its own complications.
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op):
SPECIAL INVITATION

Dear Sir/Ma,

The Atheist Society of Nigeria (ASN) is pleased to invite you to her first national convention slated to hold on the 11th of November, 2017 with the Theme:Road to Reason. It promises to feature guest speakers from Nigeria, other countries in Africa and Europe, including Leo Igwe, an internationally recognised advocate for humanism in Nigeria And Bill Flavell, the new Vice-President of Atheist Alliance International (AAI). 

It also promises to feature interactive sessions, talks on diverse topics related to Atheism, Science and Religion in Nigeria. 

Also included in the program of events is a short lecture on Evolution, a question and answer session immediately​ after and a space for “Ask an atheist.”

To register for the event, go to http://atheist.org.ng/convention/details/

Registration is free.

We look forward to your esteemed presence. Thank you!

Isaiah, Akorita
Head of Media,
Atheist Society of Nigeria.
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 6:02am On Oct 30, 2017
AFRICA'S CHURCH ECONOMY

Everything you buy has to be made. If every church in Africa was a place for making things, from toothpicks to motor cars, Africa would be prosperous with full employment.

But they're not. All they make is noise, and every week they make people 10% poorer.

You can't pray yourself rich. If you could, everyone would be rich.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 4:46pm On Oct 29, 2017
soetanoreoluwa:
SUPER EAGLE UPDATE



GERNOT ROHR COULD RECALL OBAFEMI MARTINS TO NIGERIA SQUAD
Gernot Rohr could recall Obafemi Martins to Nigeria squad


https://africanfootball.com/bp_images/2017/10/image_39_11.jpg
Obafemi Martins -B
by Phumzile Ngcatshe
Nigerian striker Obafemi Martins could return to the Super Eagles squad after coach Gernot Rohr has hinted as much.

The Shanghai Greenland Shenhua striker could gatecrash Nigeria’s squad for the 2018 FIFA World Cup in Russia according to Rohr.

The manager has made this revelation during a radio interview when he was asked about the chances of the forward making the squad for the World Cup.

”We will call the best men, for now everybody wants to come because we are in the World Cup. The players who brought us to the World Cup, I don’t forget them. It’s very important “, Rohr said.


” There are other players we are also looking at calling to beef up the team, but for now we are looking at getting good games for better preparations for the World Cup .“

Martins was part of the Nigerian team in the 2010 World Cup in South Africa. It was the only global tournament the 33-year-old has played in his career.


http://africanfootball.com//news/733135/Gernot-Rohr-could-recall-Obafemi-Martins-to-Nigeria-squad
Yellow journalism!

Where was Martin's mentioned by the gaffer? Why was Martins particularly called when there are dozens of players Rohr could have been referring to?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 3:41pm On Oct 29, 2017
BascoVanVeli:
Haba na the angle was absolutely not tight. It was as straight forward as it gets after rounding a keeper. The only thing was that he took it on his not so strong right foot. I already posted the video. Look at both Messi and Suarez reaction to the miss.
Cmon...I can see you posted the incident. That cannot be the open goal you're referring to. It was a tight angle. It was an easy goal to miss. You need stamina and most importantly balance to score that. You could see the ball hit the pole, right? That's how much of an angle it was.

And his reaction says nothing about it being an open net or not. I'm a Barca fan and I have seen the same reaction time and time again when La Purga misses, even from far away free kicks.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 3:01pm On Oct 29, 2017
BascoVanVeli:
He dribbled the keeper how was the net not open?
I won't start a non-argument with you about it. It was not like you're saying it. It was a tight angle. How can that be an open net?

Did you watch it or were you told?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 1:55pm On Oct 29, 2017
BascoVanVeli:
Did anybody see Messi miss an open net last nite? if a Nigerian missed that one his passport would be revoked.
It was not an open net. It was from a tight angle. In fact, it was all his work from the pass to the rounding up of the keeper. It was easy to miss.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 1:50pm On Oct 29, 2017
Oasis007:
I think owngoalnigeria News shouldn't be shared on this Thread any Longer, since majority agreed their Reports are misleading.

There are many Guests, and Admirers that solely rely on the Info on this Thread for the Updates on the Super Eagles.
I would say it's all about the credibility. There are stories from OGN that are credible, though not much. We just have to exercise discretion.

I especially like how Joebie has gone about it. And each one can adopt his style. Don't be carried away by the headlines, read the body of the articles. Are there quotes? If no, discard. If yes, are the quotes all from unnamed sources? If yes, it's mostly made up and should be discarded.

It's not just OGN, it applies to all news websites carrying Nigerian Football news.

Truth is that, in terms of sheer coverage of Nigerians in leagues around the world, Joebie's is better than most. And why not, the internet is there for all to monitor what happens all over the globe.

Even the analysis here can compete with any anywhere in the country.
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 7:07am On Oct 29, 2017
PUT UP OR SHUT UP

In 1687, Isaac Newton published his book Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica (in English, "Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy" ). In this ground-breaking book, he proposed that an invisible force of attraction acts on all objects with mass. He gave a simple equation that allowed the magnitude of the force to be calculated.

This invisible force, he claimed, explains how the planets in our solar system maintain predictable orbits around the sun. Brilliant as Newton's discovery was, it built on prior work by Nicolaus Copernicus who showed that the planets orbited the sun (in the face of fierce opposition from the church) and Johannes Kepler who showed that the planets traversed elliptical orbits at varying speeds.

With these foundations, and Newton's meticulous collection of evidence, his ideas on universal gravitation were quickly accepted by the scientific community.

We have seen many examples in science of astonishing, counter-intuitive ideas being published, challenged and then accepted once the evidence is thoroughly understood. This is how we discover the real world.

But there is another world in which the opposite happens. The world of religion does not demand evidence and does not move closer to reality as more evidence is discovered. Religious ideas are held on faith and, using faith, you can believe anything you wish to believe.

Christianity, began 2,000 years ago but it has not moved from controversy to agreement--it has moved from a single "prophet" to chaos, with around 40,000 squabbling denominations today. Look more broadly still and you find people around the world believing in thousands of gods and tens of thousands of religions.

With religions, there is no meeting of minds and no filtering out the false to leave the true. Why does it work like this? The real problem is there is only one real world but an unlimited number of imaginary ones. We can agree on reality but will always squabble over which imaginary stories we prefer.

If any gods are real and any religions true, please religious people, figure it out and tell which are true and which are false. You've had more than 2,000 years--it's time to put up or shut up.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013:
Joebie:
GOLDEN EAGLETS WITH CAREERS STILL ON TRACK (UPDATED)

NIGERIA 2009 CLASS
1. Abduljaleel Ajagun
2. Eddy Onazi
3. Keneth Omeruo
4. Olarenwaju Kayode
5. Ramon Azeez

UAE 2013 CLASS
1. Kelechi Iheanacho
2. Success Isaac
3. Chidiebere Nwakali
4. Musa Yahaya
5. Chidiera Ezeh
6. Dele Alampasu
7. Taiwo Awoniyi
8. Francis Uzoho
9. Savior Godwin
10. Aliyu Abubakar
11. Musa Muhammed
12. Habib Makanjuola*

CHILE 2015 CLASS
1. Kelechi Nwakali
2. Victor Osimhen
3. Kingsley Michael
4. Orji Okonkwo
5. Samuel Chukwueze*
6. Akpan Udoh*
7. Joel Aiyetoya Osikel
8. Sunday Alimi*

*Newly Signed (Yet to feature)
Once you turn pro, it doesn't matter what players passed the MRI. For instance, the 2013 set should not be all about the World Cup, it should include those who played the U17 qualifiers and those who went to the African U17. Thus, a player like Ndidi should be included, and many others.

They are all boys of Manu Garba and he will always be seen as the one who gave them as a gift to the nation.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 7:41pm On Oct 28, 2017
tbaba1234:
Agent Confesses- Eagles Coach Rohr Turned Down Big Money To Invite My Player

The appointment of Gernot Rohr has made it almost impossible for player agents to buy their way into the senior national team of Nigeria according to a player agent who spoke with Owngoalnigeria.com.

Since the coming of Rohr over a year ago, a lot has changed in the fortunes of the Super Eagles on the pitch, but more significant is the progress made outside the pitch.

” A lot has changed especially for us who are player agents, I don’t know about others but I use to have six players in the Super Eagles, some I paid for them to be called up, while some were there on merit”, he told Owngoalnigeria.com.

” I must confess I have not given money directly to any coach before, but there are guys who do the leg work and get the job done but with Rohr nobody wants to take such risk. His body language is enough to discourage you.

“Presently I have one player in the team and he isn’t doing badly at all‎, which is why he is still in the team, at a time I have a player who is now playing in a league not befitting for his standard.

” I tried using the Super Eagles to increase his market value but despite my big money offer, I was told in clear terms that Rohr works with his scouts who are mostly unknown. He will collect the player’s name and ask them to monitor”, he concluded.

Osas Mahawi

http://owngoalnigeria.com/2017/10/27/agent-confesses-eagles-coach-rohr-turned-down-big-money-to-invite-my-player/
If I should take a guess, I will say this player is Shehu.

Prior to now, there was no reason for his invitations to the Eagles. Yet he was always invited. It was baffling selection.

But good for him, he eventually took his chances.
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op):
Tosin Adeoti

The Nigerian god is fiendish. How many times have you heard his worshipers say, "My neighbors may live in want, what does it matter? The important thing is that I'm cool and my family is well-provisioned through his grace." You know, something about thousands falling at your side and the plague not nearing your kith and kin.
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The Nigerian god doesn't care how much fuel is sold, it only matters to him that his worshipers earn well and are able to afford it.
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The nation might be going to 'hell' but as long as they are 'favored' by the Nigerian god, the worshipers could care less.
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The most important thing to the Nigerian god is money and the more you give to him through his peddlers (givers in foreign currencies are personal favorites), the more he MUST bless you.
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The god that rejoices when thieves drop seeds on the altar; that does not punish disobedience except it concerns tithes and offerings. He does not reckon any sin against you except the sin of disobeying his anointed peddlers.
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The Nigerian god is the greatest fraud this country has ever known.
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The Nigerian god...corruption personified!
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 6:12am On Oct 27, 2017
Anozie Ebirim

Why are people of faith so interested in we not ridiculing their faith.

It's a silly argument.

You mock Boko Haram but you don't want your own idea mocked.

You even say atheists are fools but you cry when it is logically pointed out that your belief in unicorns is foolish.

You mock white garment churches, catholics mock the money first idea of pentecostals and pentecostals mock the orthodoxy of catholics.

But you all rush and show us some dumb ass Nigerian Atheist who believes her unbelief is a leap of faith.

Good for her and you faithists....

But the attempt at blackmail worked during the inquisition. It won't work now.

Ideas aren't humans. They must be mocked. Religion and god is just another idea. If mocking your pet fairy makes you uncomfortable then tough luck.
InvestmentRe: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by joseph1013: 11:24am On Oct 26, 2017
Sach:
How did you get the rates. Which branch do you use? At the branch close to me, it is a big production to get secondary rates... Mail would be sent out etc etc
Idejo Branch, VI, Lagos.
InvestmentRe: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by joseph1013: 10:27am On Oct 26, 2017
Stanbic secondary rates today

98 days - 16.5%
189 days - 16.55%
273 days - 15.4%
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 10:54am On Oct 25, 2017
TheGoodJoe:
Pressure increased on him after the Eagles' 1-1 draw with lowly-rated Kenya in Nairobi in a group 1 World Cup qualifier. Nigerian FA officials also accused Troussier of sidelining his Nigerian coaching assistants assigned to him and preferring instead to work with a Moroccan.

Troussier also overstayed in a foreign trip, thereby missing an
international four-nation tournament in Tunis, where the Eagles lost the top spot to host Tunisia.

But the last straw was the Eagles' 1-0 loss to Guinea in August. That match, considered a mere formality since the Eagles had already qualified for France '98, exposed Troussier's technical weakness, with many Nigerians calling for his sacking.


http://forum.cybereagles.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=84770&start=69

I am wrong in the termination details but this link will give an insight into the occurrence at that time. In an earlier link, it showed the NFA issuing a warning that if Troussier does not return, he would get sacked.

During the LG Tourney happened after the Kenya game in Lagos and Sinclair coached that LG Tournament.

Sad the article left out the events of the Kenya game in Lagos but I will keep searching to clarify the issue.

Note, the article said Troussier handled the 1-1 draw in Kenya. To the best of my knowledge, Troussier coached that game.
Oya, apologize to tglobal. He was trying to tell you what he experienced, you said it's not true. libero808 came with Wikipedia, you no believe. You even said BBC is lying. None of the links you gave clearly stated Sinclair was in charge of those two games.

I'm fairly certain you misheard what Sinclair told you.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 5:10pm On Oct 24, 2017
Icon4s:
Goke7 and realpoacher's posts just sparked some thing off my mind.

Can we do an x-ray of reasons for our failures in our last 5 participations?

Best way to solving a problem is actually to get to the root of the problem.

We as fans will not play for the Super Eagles in Russia. We are not part of the coaching crew. But we can make our own contributions by profiling the reasons for our 5 previous failures to go beyond the second round of the world cup.

As I have always said here, do not underestimate the contributions we make here. They go very far.
To be honest , some times, I feel Rohr and his crew get some things from here because we have seen things play out severally after we discuss them here.
Plus I know a couple of officials visit here. Eg Amuneke's U17 media officer and Siasia's late U23 media officer.

Most of us here know the history of Super Eagles participation and performances better than Rohr. So he may just learn a thing or two from us.

I expect opinions and counter opinions. All the same we can keep the discussion or arguments constructive.

To discuss this issue I need enough elders in the house as we may need to go back in time to address issues even from 1990 when Westerhof took over.
The younger generation too can equally contribute as a lot of those old games are available on YouTube.

enomakos, Kog45, forgiveness, tbaba1234, TheGoodJoe, Goldfish80, Michael2, Joseph1013, joebie, komekn, safarigirl, mujtahida, terzurum5, icon79, do4luv14, omanbala1, Chriskel, Chrisoblog, Orkpekyandega, Humility017, elyte89, Dedebanky85, soetanoreoluwa and many others.

It must not be in any order. Discuss any one you followed from 2014 to 1994.
I will keep this short.

1994
1. Lack of a good replacement for Yekini. We relied so much on him that there was no viable replacement
2. Inexperience in the defence
3. Lack of unity. There were reports of players ganging up against each other.

1998
1. Out of form goalkeeper. Rufai had no business being at that world cup
2. Complacency. After leading a group comprising of Spain and Bulgeria, we started talking about meeting Brazil in the Quarter finals instead of focusing on the 2nd round match against Denmark.


2002
1. Grave inexperience on the part of the players. We disbanded the entire team going to the World Cup. Who does that?
2. Rigid coaching. Onigbinde. Awkward man. You can imagine a man that when asked why he never stands up to pass instructions to the players says there is nothing he would tell them that he has not told them in the dressing room. Cocky old-fashioned coaching.


2010
1. Luck. We were unlucky. Keita got a red card. Yakubu failed to score an open goal. I have nothing on the coach. Lagerback is a good coach.


2014
1. Lack of transparency in team selection. Keshi took players that had no business in the team. Uchebo, Agbim, Ameobi, Egwuekwe etc were in our world cup team. Really?
2. Because of the first point, we had no second team.
3. Poor Tactics. Or what do you call not bringing in Gabriel for Onazi instead of Azeez.


For the 2018 World Cup,
POSITIVE:
1. Good atmosphere in the team
2. Fair selections
3. Good tactics by the coach who can read games and use the available resources
4.

NEGATIVES
1. Goalkeeping problems
2. Striking problems
3. Over reliance on Mikel
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 6:49am On Oct 24, 2017
Olatunde Olayinka Ayinde wrote:

Human sexuality is a complex rainbow. If, like me, you were raised in Nigeria as an excessively religious person, but unlike me, remains a religious fundamentalist jerk and homophobe in your adulthood, you may never learn about or experience the full range of human sexual behaviour and human experience of sexuality.

Nigerians generally are raised to view sex as a taboo subject, evil even, and patently diabolical, if it veers off the track of missionary style between a "man" and a "woman", both of these gender entities being mutually exclusive in biology and behaviour.
However, in both my professional and social experience and interactions, humans are neither rigid nor simple in their sexual preferences and expression, at least not as viewed in the Nigerian moral and social framework.

There are men who like women a lot and don't like men at all. There are men who like women a lot and like men a little; and there are men who like men a lot and don't like women at all. And there are tens of shades in between: men who like men and women equally; women who like men and women equally; women who like women only, women who like men and do the occasional woman.... In short, there are as many variations as one can possibly imagine, and I have come across many.

But what we all see and imagine, in it's simplest form, are straight men and women, and LGBTQ (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transsexual and Queer) persons. Unfortunately, it is often not that straight forward at all. Fortuitous events have made people who had never experienced a certain part of their sexuality, understand more about themselves, the same selves that they had lived with for decade.

And this is where learning and experience begin. We have all always thought that human emotion and love drama only occur between males and females. Wrong. In 2012, I learnt about a gay guy who beat up another gay man because the said guy disrespected his special gay partner. It was as intense as the fight involving a guy trying to "defend the honour of his lady", whatever the hell that means. Also, you would think only immature young men kiss and tell. Wrong again. I have heard stories of women who brag to other women about the women they have " chopped", and some would even bet with fellow women that they would "chop" a certain young woman in the neighborhood. I have heard about a lesbian lady who would call her friend at odd hours, crying of heartbreak from another lesbian, who recently discovered that she was actually bisexual and preferred the penis of a particular new guy to the vaginas of her numerous previous female lovers. There was also this lady who was complaining bitterly the other day that her female lover who was bisexual and married with a child was not paying her any attention and only wanted to Bleep and move on to enjoy her own husband, leaving her, an obligate lesbian, crazily Hot and lonely. And there was the woman who left her husband and three children to pursue her love of other women, when she no longer found joy or fulfilment in sex with her husband. Who knows, maybe she never really did find joy and fulfilment in heterosexual sex, and only had to get married to fulfil social obligations and family expectations.

In all of this, there are usually intense human emotion and suffering involved, and it would indeed be callous to dismiss them with a wave of the hand. Men cry over women because of love. Women experience heartbreak from men and from fellow women. Men have been known to lose it when they discover that their wives of many years find time to go down on the occasional woman. The drama in human love and sexual behaviour is definitely not restricted to heterosexual relationships alone. It exists on every point of the rainbow.

There was the fellow who had always known that he was 100% gay. When his friends were fancying girls in primary school, he never did and he thought his relatively uncorrupted mind was due to his outstanding Christian upbringing. Puberty came, accompanied with a brigade of raging hormones, and sexual urges arrived strong and potent, but not in the expected direction. Girls did not interest him one bit. But he was a Christian and he believed there was nothing prayer could not do. He prayed and got married to his Christian heartthrob. Six years after, he still hadn't consummated the marriage. He just couldn't get it up with his wife. The usual early morning tumescence would become flaccid instantly at the touch of his wife. Several trials with commercial sex workers did not help either. But he would go for hours nonstop with a gay partner.

Interestingly, he liked the idea of being married and coming home to his wife. When the wife could no longer cope, she called a meeting of the man's family, came clean, and packed her things and left in search of "a real man with a real penis". Her husband became depressed and suicidal and was desperately in search of whoever was capable of exorcising him of the "spirit of gayness".

There was also the guy who always knew he was gay and had gay lovers till he was 26. Then he responded to an altar call in church one day to dedicate his life to Christ. He "repented" and stopped seeing his gay partners. A few months after, he found that he could neither form a stable relationship with women nor even be turned on enough to have sex with them, no matter how extraordinary their anatomy were. So he returned to his gay partners. And became guilty after a few months. He kept swinging from guilt to "re-dedication" and back, until his psyche could no longer cope and had a psychotic illness, necessitating a psychiatric consult.

And there was the case of two gay guys who married two bisexual women unbeknownst to any of the parties involved. One of them later began to suspect and piece the information together when the men would go on long golfing trips and the women spent too much time behind closed doors, ostensibly comparing notes on current fashion trends.

It is not likely that we would learn to appreciate the sexual diversity in nature nor appreciate the range of human sexual emotion on offer if we are unwilling to free ourselves of deeply rooted bias, malignant religious indoctrination and inability to learn to be empathic and less judgemental.

Humans are humans. Humans are sexual in a complex manner. And humans can and do misbehave socially irrespective of sexual orientation and sexual behaviour. Learning to understand these things is the first step in understanding human behaviours, preventing undue human suffering and learning to become better human beings ourselves.
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 6:48am On Oct 24, 2017
frank317:
That was a fun read...
It really is.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 6:48pm On Oct 23, 2017
forgiveness:
Stop beaten around the bush. My point is clear. 8.4 million pounds was initially tabled but Gent rejected the cash. Simple.

I can give you more than 5 credible source to back it. The one I gave you, does it look like Wikipedia?

My friend, they bidded thrice. The last being in the range of 10 million pounds. Bhuuuhahaha! grin

Based on this, Simon Moses is more valuable than Henry Onyekuru. Period. grin

Exclusive – Brighton’s Third Bid For Super Eagles Ace Moses Simon Rejected By Gent

August 18, 2017

Newly promoted English Premier League side Brighton have seen a third bid for Nigerian forward Moses Simon rejected by Belgium side Gent, Owngoalnigeria.com can exclusively reveal.

Brighton have failed with two bids for the Nigeria international but they were confident of landing their man with their last bid of around 10 million pounds, but Gent tuned it down.

Gent are demanding a fee of close to 15 million pounds for the 22 year old who has been at the club for three seasons, and was at a time heavily linked with a move to Tottenham Hotspur.


It is believed the club won’t be making another bid for Simon ‎as they have moved on to other targets but the forward is still on the radar of fellow Premier League side West Brom.


He has just two years left on his contract with the Belgium side, and despite his non committal towards extending his contract at the club, Gent are not willing to lower their asking price from interested clubs.


http://owngoalnigeria.com/2017/08/18/exclusive-brightons-third-bid-for-super-eagles-ace-moses-simon-rejected-by-gent/
Bros, you no dey tire. Okay, we don hear. You win. Simon is better than Henry. He's even better than everybody in the team. Kapish?

So, tell us your formation for the game against Argentina...
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 3:53pm On Oct 23, 2017
Icon4s:
Reason why Simon is still in the Super Eagles starting 11 is because we don't have so many wingers better than he is at the moment.

If he Doesn't change his style of play he'll end up like the likes of Pius Ikedia and Ahmed Musa.

Simon has a lot to learn in terms of his final passes.
He works so very hard but the product of all those hardwork is just average or less.

You saw how Iwobi changed things upon his introduction against Zambia? That is how a modern winger plays.

You notice Iwobi didn't run much on the wings which gave Shehu acres to make his runs. Iwobi went deep close to the AM position which was where Shehu's cross came to meet him and the rest is history. Ahmed Musa does that too once in a while but Simon is always on the flanks and doesn't really combine well with the number 10 player. His own is to take on defenders one-on and finally play one way-ward cross. You saw how Iwobi combined well with Mikel and even Ighalo. Same thing in the game in Ndola.

Yes Onyekuru is up and coming but as you rightly said I would like to see him develop as a striker.

We are blessed with wingers in this team but we don't have depth in the striking department.

Rohr should draft in Onyekuru among the CF jare.
I have said it time and time again that Simon is not an intelligent winger. Yes, he works so hard and covers the defence, but that connection in the final third is just not there.

We can praise him all we want for his defensive qualities but we need to realize that he is first of all an attacking player.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 1:18pm On Oct 23, 2017
forgiveness:
In the last three years!? shocked grin

Onyekuru was in Belgium pro league 2nd tier three seasons ago when Simon Moses fought for the league titles (came second) and played in Belgium FA cup finals just two seasons before this.

Please, take note that Simon Moses helped them to win that FA cup with an assist for the only goal of that match. grin

It was only last season we started hearing about Onyekuru. This season has not finished yet.
You forget he led them to promotion that year. You think it's easy?
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 11:51am On Oct 23, 2017
forgiveness:
Which season?

How was Onyekuru in the second tier of Belgium pro league?

This is Onyekuru's second season and it's not over yet.

This is Simon Moses' second and half season in Belgium pro league.

Who told you Simon Moses is not being courted by major clubs?

His club doesn't want him to go hence the heavy price tag placed on him else he for don go Monaco. grin

The point is, Simon Moses has achieved more than Onyekuru times ten. Cefini. grin
Football is about present form. Taking the last three years as a whole, Onyekuru has performed better clubwise.

Look at the game against PSG, Simon's has not had that kind of game in the CL yet.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 4:32pm On Oct 22, 2017
Joebie:
He will have a hard time at the bigger stage.. As his philosophy can only work with youth teams or teams with younger players. Not taking anything away from him.
I really do see a semblance of Guardiola in him. They both love the attacking play. They both are authoritarian. They both love a compact unit. They both prefer to work with players they can impose their ideologies on, and for which they are not afraid to rock the boat by chasing away the influential players of the team who do not fit their approach to coaching. Which is not necessarily a bad thing since at the end of the day, what matters is the result, especially if gotten in a manner that brings about the most financial rewards to the club.

He will feature in the champions league someday soon.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013:
Sunday Oliseh bringing excitement back to Fortuna Sittard

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Imagine that you are in charge of a club struggling at the foot of the Dutch second division when Sunday Oliseh calls to inform you that he is available for the vacant coaching position. Fortuna Sittard's technical director, Charly Chudik, was surprised to hear the voice of the former Nigerian star late last December. The team seemed to be in a disastrous state in 18th place. Why would such a famous person be interested? And why would he get in touch instead of sending his agent, as it is usually done?

The answer is simple -- Oliseh really wanted the job.

"I received various offers after resigning from the Nigerian national team," he said in an interview with ELF Voetbal magazine. "A top club from South Africa, a club from Portugal and numerous national football federations approached me, but I wasn't interested. Family is the most important thing to me. I wanted to go to a place that would make me happy. Sittard is just 45 minutes by car from my home."

Married to a Belgian, Oliseh lives in Eupen, and that is where he took his first job as a technical director in 2007, but left after six months because he didn't like working in the office. His first coaching experience followed at tiny Verviers in the Belgian third division, but then Oliseh became a pundit, and only came back to the dugout when Nigeria offered him the post in 2015. It was a short and very eventful affair, with Oliseh eventually choosing to quit over allegedly unpaid wages and return to his natural surroundings.

Sittard, situated in Limburg close to the Belgian border, are a proud club of interesting heritage. They may have only won two cup trophies more than half a century ago, but spent long seasons in the Eredivisie and nurtured a number of quality players, including the former Barcelona and Bayern Munich midfielder Mark van Bommel.

However, Fortuna were not fortunate at all following relegation in 2001, and went close to bankruptcy at least three times. Turkish businessman Isitan Gun took over in the summer of 2016 and saved them.

"Without Gun, Fortuna wouldn't have been around these days. He brought stability to the club and appointed new people to the board," De Gelderlander journalist Robert Husken tells ESPN FC.

The 2016-17 season was tough in the extreme, though, and coach Ben van Dael was fired following a terrible run of just one point from nine matches. Oliseh was waiting for that opportunity to offer himself, and the club got a coach they could never have dreamt of.

During his illustrious playing career the Nigerian took part in two World Cup tournaments, scoring a majestic goal against Spain in 1994, won the gold medal at the 1996 Olympics, won the title in the Netherlands with Ajax, and represented Juventus and Borussia Dortmund as well.

Now, as the first black African coach ever in the Netherlands, he has had to deal with a different situation. Fortuna played in front of empty stands in recent years, but Oliseh changed the atmosphere around the club almost immediately. He got off to a winning start at the magnificently named Achilles'29, and proceeded to get some outstanding results. The 5-2 win over Ajax reserves, having trailed 2-0 at half-time, was especially memorable and fans started to flow back to the stadium. Sittard only lost five times in the second round under the new coach and finished the season well above the relegation zone.

Not all the reports were positive. Oliseh's spell with the national team was marred by conflicts with senior players, most notably the popular goalkeeper Vincent Enyeama, who was stripped of captaincy and forced into international retirement. Curiously, that was the case at Fortuna, too, as veteran captain Ferry de Regt left the club in the summer, having fallen out with the Nigerian. Assistant coach Tini Ruijs and goalkeeping coach Patrick Creemers left too, unable to work under Oliseh.

In an editorial published in June, De Limburger journalist Patrick Delait accused Oliseh of installing authoritarian regime.

"He behaves like a governor, and nobody dares to contradict him," he wrote. "By constantly sharpening internal relationships, the Nigerian is becoming a ticking bomb. He looks sympathetic on TV, but behind the scenes he is a wolf in sheep's clothing."

So far, those pessimistic expectations haven't come true. On the contrary, Oliseh has made a phenomenal start to the season, winning five games out of seven, and only losing once. Following the 6-0 triumph at previously unbeaten Telstar last Friday, the biggest away win in club history, Fortuna are second in the table behind Jong Ajax, and technically lead the race because the Amsterdam side are ineligible for promotion.

That is not the only record broken by Oliseh, either. Taking the previous season into account, Fortuna are on an unprecedented run of eight home wins in a row.
And the first goal at Telstar was scored by 17-year-old sensation Perr Schuurs, the youngest captain in club history. Born in November 1999, he was given the armband in the summer by Oliseh, who explained: "If you are good enough, you are old enough." There is little doubt that Schuurs is a huge talent -- he was invited to train with Liverpool in the summer, while Ajax and PSV Eindhoven reportedly made offers to sign him.

Oliseh certainly enjoys working with youngsters much more. Out went the likes of De Regt and 33-year-old striker Sjoerd Ars; in came exciting prospects like Portuguese duo Andre Vidigal, 19, and 21-year-old Lisandro Semedo. They are ably supported by two more 21-year-olds: Finn Stokkers and Djibril Dianessy.

Having laid solid defensive foundations, Oliseh is letting his team play an attacking brand of football, with 21 goals scored so far. Talking to ESPN FC, Delait now admits: "Oliseh is a good motivator who is very strict with his tactics. Fortuna play as a unit under him."

Husken added: "Sunday is a no-nonsense coach who is very clear on what he expects from his players. Having such a star on the bench makes a massive influence on the team."

Few pundits expect Fortuna to keep running and gain promotion, but the youngsters are starting to dream big.

"The spirit of the squad is truly incredible. I have to calm the players at times, because everyone is so hungry," Oliseh told AD recently.

The turnaround had been phenomenal already and the Nigerian is making a name for himself as a coach. But the club will be wary, lest he be lured away from his home in Eupen after his contract at Sittard ends next summer. If he can gain promotion, though, managing such a tight knit team in the Eredivisie could bring some surprising results.

Source: http://kwese.espn.com/football/club/fortuna-sittard/143/blog/post/3220151/sunday-oliseh-bringing-excitement-back-to-fortuna-sittard/?ex_cid=OlisehFortuna_fb_ng_pd_MH
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 4:29pm On Oct 21, 2017
#Copied��

Do you have a few minutes to spare?
~ by Nicole Douglas

This morning there was a knock at my door. When I answered the door I found a well groomed, nicely dressed couple. The man spoke first:

*John*: "Hi! I'm John, and this is Mary."

*Mary*: "Hi! We're here to invite you to come kiss Hank's ass with us."

*Me*: "Pardon me?! What are you talking about? Who's Hank, and why would I want to kiss His ass?"

*John*: "If you kiss Hank's ass, He'll give you a million dollars; and if you don't, He'll kick the shit out of you."

*Me*: "What? Is this some sort of bizarre mob shake-down?"

*John*: "Hank is a billionaire philanthropist. Hank built this town. Hank owns this town. He can do whatever He wants, and what He wants is to give you a million dollars, but He can't until you kiss His ass."

*Me*: "That doesn't make any sense. Why..."

*Mary*: "Who are you to question Hank's gift? Don't you want a million dollars? Isn't it worth a little kiss on the ass?"

*Me*: "Well maybe, if it's legit, but..."

*John*: "Then come kiss Hank's ass with us."

*Me*: "Do you kiss Hank's ass often?"

*Mary*: "Oh yes, all the time..."

*Me*: "And has He given you a million dollars?"

*John*: "Well no. You don't actually get the money until you leave town."

*Me*: "So why don't you just leave town now?"

*Mary*: "You can't leave until Hank tells you to, or you don't get the money, and He kicks the shit out of you."

*Me*: "Do you know anyone who kissed Hank's ass, left town, and got the million dollars?"

*John*: "My mother kissed Hank's ass for years. She left town last year, and I'm sure she got the money."

*Me*: "Haven't you talked to her since then?"

*John*: "Of course not, Hank doesn't allow it."

*Me*: "So what makes you think He'll actually give you the money if you've never talked to anyone who got the money?"

*Mary*: "Well, He gives you a little bit before you leave. Maybe you'll get a raise, maybe you'll win a small lotto, maybe you'll just find a twenty-dollar bill on the street."

*Me*: "What's that got to do with Hank?"

*John*: "Hank has certain 'connections.'"

*Me*: "I'm sorry, but this sounds like some sort of bizarre con game."

*John*: "But it's a million dollars, can you really take the chance? And remember, if you don't kiss Hank's ass He'll kick the shit out of you."

*Me*: "Maybe if I could see Hank, talk to Him, get the details straight from Him..."

*Mary*: "No one sees Hank, no one talks to Hank."

*Me*: "Then how do you kiss His ass?"

*John*: "Sometimes we just blow Him a kiss, and think of His ass. Other times we kiss Karl's ass, and he passes it on."

*Me*: "Who's Karl?"

*Mary*: "A friend of ours. He's the one who taught us all about kissing Hank's ass. All we had to do was take him out to dinner a few times."

*Me*: "And you just took his word for it when he said there was a Hank, that Hank wanted you to kiss His ass, and that Hank would reward you?"

*John*: "Oh no! Karl has a letter he got from Hank years ago explaining the whole thing. Here's a copy; see for yourself."

..... *From the Desk of Karl*.....

_*1. Kiss Hank's ass and He'll give you a million dollars when you leave town.*_
_*2. Use alcohol in moderation.*_
_*3. Kick the shit out of people who aren't like you.*_
_*4. Eat right.*_
_*5. Hank dictated this list Himself.*_
_*6. The moon is made of green cheese.*_
_*7. Everything Hank says is right.*_
_*8. Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.*_
_*9. Don't use alcohol.*_
_*10. Eat your wieners on buns, no condiments.*_
_*11. Kiss Hank's ass or He'll kick the shit out of you.*_

*Me*: "This appears to be written on Karl's letterhead."

*Mary*: "Hank didn't have any paper."

*Me*: "I have a hunch that if we checked we'd find this is Karl's handwriting."

*John*: "Of course, Hank dictated it."

*Me*: "I thought you said no one gets to see Hank?"

*Mary*: "Not now, but years ago He would talk to some people."

*Me*: "I thought you said He was a philanthropist. What sort of philanthropist kicks the shit out of people just because they're different?"

*Mary*: "It's what Hank wants, and Hank's always right."

*Me*: "How do you figure that?"

*Mary*: "Item 7 says 'Everything Hank says is right.' That's good enough for me!"

*Me*: "Maybe your friend Karl just made the whole thing up."

*John*: "No way! Item 5 says 'Hank dictated this list himself.' Besides, item 2 says 'Use alcohol in moderation,' Item 4 says 'Eat right,' and item 8 says 'Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.' Everyone knows those things are right, so the rest must be true, too."

*Me*: "But 9 says 'Don't use alcohol.' which doesn't quite go with item 2, and 6 says 'The moon is made of green cheese,' which is just plain wrong."

*John*: "There's no contradiction between 9 and 2, 9 just clarifies 2. As far as 6 goes, you've never been to the moon, so you can't say for sure."

*Me*: "Scientists have pretty firmly established that the moon is made of rock..."

*Mary*: "But they don't know if the rock came from the Earth, or from outer space, so it could just as easily be green cheese."

*Me*: "I'm not really an expert, but I think the theory that the Moon was somehow 'captured' by the Earth has been discounted. Besides, not knowing where the rock came from doesn't make it cheese."

*John*: "Ha! You just admitted that scientists make mistakes, but we know Hank is always right!"

*Me*: "We do?"

*Mary*: "Of course we do, Item 7 says so."

*Me*: "You're saying Hank's always right because the list says so, the list is right because Hank dictated it, and we know that Hank dictated it because the list says so. That's circular logic, no different than saying 'Hank's right because He says He's right.'"

*John*: "Now you're getting it! It's so rewarding to see someone come around to Hank's way of thinking."

*Me*: "But...oh, never mind. What's the deal with wieners?"

*Mary*: She blushes.

*John*: "Wieners, in buns, no condiments. It's Hank's way. Anything else is wrong."

*Me*: "What if I don't have a bun?"

*John*: "No bun, no wiener. A wiener without a bun is wrong."

*Me*: "No relish? No Mustard?"

*Mary*: (She looks positively stricken.)

*John*: (He's shouting.) "There's no need for such language! Condiments of any kind are wrong!"

*Me*: "So a big pile of sauerkraut with some wieners chopped up in it would be out of the question?"

*Mary*: (Sticks her fingers in her ears.) "I am not listening to this. La la la, la la, la la la."

*John*: "That's disgusting. Only some sort of evil deviant would eat that..."

*Me*: "It's good! I eat it all the time."

*Mary*: (She faints.)

*John*: (He catches Mary.) "Well, if I'd known you were one of those I wouldn't have wasted my time. When Hank kicks the shit out of you I'll be there, counting my money and laughing. I'll kiss Hank's ass for you, you bunless cut-wienered kraut-eater."

With this, John dragged Mary to their waiting car and sped off.

~ by Nicole Douglas
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 8:51pm On Oct 17, 2017
"Jesus is wholly man and wholly God"

It took brilliant philosophers and logicians hundreds of years to formulate and refine our three fundamental laws of thought: Identity; Non-contradiction and Excluded Middle.

Then Christianity comes along and manages to find a seven-word sentence that breaks ALL THREE laws.

Damn!

SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 8:54am On Oct 17, 2017
Joebie:
Let everyone watch and analyze for themselves.. You can only make your argument on the first goal. But your argument won't still hold true on that one for obvious reasons. On the other two goals Iheanacho was barely involved in any way.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_m64ISLoAM

Modified
I must say this was not one of our best games. forget the scoreline
Esiti was tremendous in this game. I prefer him to Agu.
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 9:54pm On Oct 16, 2017
MAKE YOUR OWN PLAYMATE

Here's something I don't understand. If God wanted to create creatures to love and who would love him, why did he create such pitifully inadequate and feeble creatures as humans?

Why didn't he create beings more like himself--beings with a similar level of knowledge and intelligence so he could have engaging discussions with them; maybe even play games of skill with them and not win every single time?

God creating humans is rather like me creating a bacterium as a playmate.
Christianity EtcRe: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 9:05pm On Oct 12, 2017
ARE WE LIKE GOD?

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." --Genesis 1:27

This verse is part of the creation story so there are only two possible sources for it--either it came from God himself or someone made it up and pretended it came from a god. Of course, if it came from God, we should expect it to be true but, if it came from men it may not be.

It says God made humans in his own image. God made us to look like him. Is this true? Let's look at the evidence:

Humans are visible: God is invisible.

Humans are made of atoms: God is made of, well nothing.

Humans occupy a point in space: God is everywhere at the same time.

Humans are born and die: God is eternal.

Humans have limited knowledge: God knows everything.

Humans have limited power: God has unlimited power.

Humans live within space-time in our universe: God is outside of it.

So, do humans resemble God? Obviously, they do not. Indeed, on almost every measure God and humans are opposites.

Genesis 1:27 harks back to the time when Yahweh was a man-god (rather like Zeus) and not the spirit- god he later evolved to become. This is why there are verses about God walking in the garden of Eden, sitting on a throne protected by angels and meeting face-to-face with Isaac, Moses and Jacob. None of these things make sense for a spirit god residing outside of space and time.

If Genesis 1:27 is not true, we can safely conclude that verse was written by men and no gods were involved. Men needed gods for many reasons, so they did the only thing they could do--they invented them.
SportsRe: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 7:37pm On Oct 07, 2017
Proudly Nigerian. Enroute Russia.
But wait oh. Qualifying this early isn't a Nigerian thing. APC has destroyed this country.

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