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Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 6:49am On Sep 01, 2017

THANK YOU, BUT I'M NOT INTERESTED

If there is eternal life and you sign up for it, you've signed a contract with no termination clause. No matter what happens to you, there is no way out. You can't change your mind. You will be trapped and there's no way to escape, ever.

And this contract has no specifics--just vague promises. Will you have to work? Could your employer's business fail so you have to be let go? Could you find yourself unemployed and, if so, will there be unemployment benefits?

Could you become redundant? If you see how technology has changed our planet in 100 years, imagine what could happen in a thousand or a billion years.

If you were not able to get a good education on Earth, could you wind up cleaning toilets, disposing of rubbish or picking fruit? If not, who will do these jobs?

If you don't have to work; if all goods and services will be produced by some kind of heavenly magic, how will you spend the hours, years, decades, millennia, and thousands of millennia? What will you do for entertainment and to grow intellectually and emotionally?

Will you have the same life partner in heaven that you had on Earth? What if you go to heaven and your partner does not? Will God assign you a partner or will you have to compete for one? Since women tend to be more devout than men, will there be a shortage of men and lots of lonely women?

What if you died at an old age when you had become infirm and incontinent? Will you be restored to good health and your age reduced? What about your children? Will they also be made younger to maintain the age difference? Does this mean babies will have to be unborn because their parents have been reduced to six yours of age?

Will you grow old? Will you be able to have children and, if you can, will they grow up and become old or will they stay babies for ever? Will you just get older and older but never die?

I could go on all day, thinking of questions about heaven but the bottom line is, even if you believe heaven exists, you DO NOT KNOW the answers to thousands of questions like these. Yet you are willing to enter a contract for an unknown future with no termination clause.

For me, the very idea of a life that can never end is horrific and I don't want it. Even if I knew all the specifics, I would say, "Thank you, but I'm not interested."

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 11:28am On Aug 31, 2017

WHEN THE PARTY'S OVER

You're at a party. Enjoying the music, chatting with friends, eating and drinking. Life is good. But from time-to-time your mind may drift. How will you get home? Are the children safe with the new baby sitter? Have you got enough food at home for tomorrow? How will you cope with the project that starts on Monday?

So far as we know only humans can do this--divorce themselves from the immediate and contemplate the future. This talent has enabled us to create great things: beautiful art, wonderful buildings, fantastically complex machines and much more. But it has also allowed us all to understand the party will end, and wonder what will come afterwards.

The earliest indication that humans were thinking about this comes from chattels placed in graves around 100,000 years ago. From 4,600 years ago, the Egyptians created massive pyramids to keep their kings and queens preserved for their future life.

The idea of reincarnation (the spirit continuing after death in a new human, animal or insect body) probably originated in the Indus River Valley at least 4,000 years ago. Reincarnation is a part of Hinduism and several other religions. There is evidence that afterlife beliefs were many, varied and widespread.

More recently, Judaism included an afterlife from 3,000 or so years ago and Christianity enhanced and extended the idea from 2,000 years ago.

Given the early roots of afterlife beliefs, their variety and our inability, even with sophisticated modern instruments, to show that any part of us survives death, these beliefs look like forlorn hopes rather than knowledge. Hopes that arose because we evolved the ability to envisage the disagreeable fact that we all have to leave the party.

Even today, the majority of people on Earth believe in some form of afterlife, despite the complete lack of evidence that it is true.

As is often the case, Christopher Hitchens said it best. A few weeks before he died on 15 December 2011 he said, "It will happen to all of us, that at some point you'll be tapped on the shoulder and told, not just that the party is over, but slightly worse: the party's going on but you have to leave."

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PS As far as I can discover, Hitchens last words were not recorded but he did not convert on his death bed. Indeed among his last written words was this perfect gem, "If I convert it’s because it’s better that a believer dies than an atheist does."

Loved that man...a most incredible man!

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Investment › Re: Treasury Bills In Nigeria by joseph1013: 7:45am On Aug 30, 2017

What's the minimum balance at Stanbic for current accounts?

Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 1:38pm On Aug 29, 2017

Osula Daniel Enahoro Narrates:

Do you know my biological father is a chartered accountant? I didn't grow up and wasn't raised by him well enough to be detailed about what he's all about. But the man is a math genius.

My mum has a TCII, BSc. (Delsu), MSc (U.I). No idea the courses she studied.

But do you know religion and superstitious belief ruined their union, altered the original plans and have shattered the destinies of my siblings and I? Well;

I pay a little too much attention, and even now holding conversations with them both, I've gotten to know more personal stuffs that I was too young to know back then.

Dad landed a job for then Peugeot and was doing well for himself. He built his first house in the village in 1986 and his house in Ejigbo Lagos, in 1992, a year after my birth.

In 1993, he landed a freelance contract for a company in Delta State and had to travel from Lagos. He had an accident along Ibadan expressway where a boy was killed. The whole occurrence cost him both the contract and his job.

Somehow, he got a job a lot sooner with Longman publishing company and seemed to be on his feet in no time. We were still living at Maryland then, but his job with Longman seemed to fetch him good money and he was continuing his house at Ejigbo at the same time he bought his first car. The year was 94'.

By 96', he had managed to buy two more cars and gave my mum one with a driver he paid. Mum was a full time housewife then. Later she began complaining of being idle and they started a CHALEX foundation, coined from their names; Charity and Alex.

All was fine until 97' when my elder sister, now late, fell terribly ill. Her sickness defied all medications and for the two years before she died, her medical bills mopped up finances and even had huge debts piling up.

All along, we had been devout catholics until my siblings later joined RCCG. But it seemed these churches were too gentle for my mum as she sort urgent spiritual revolution. Her prayer constantly was her not burying any other kids of hers.

Then she found MFM. And this is how trouble that was mild escalated terribly. The pastor in the Ejigbo branch told her my father was a ritualist and he had used my elder sister to renew his pledge. That his loss of job was as a result of non renewal. He further went on to say the coconut tree in my father's compound was evil and we shouldn't eat from it anymore. This is coconut we had been eating from since we moved in.

Meanwhile, my father was seeking his own spiritual assistance in white garment churches and they saw vision for him. They said 5 of his 7 kids alongside my mum, were witches sent to destroy him as he was the only well to do from his family.

That is how an MSc and an ICAN holder began ridiculing themselves in front of their kids for months until the final divorce and separation. Religious leaders manipulated two adults who had spent years in school so much they hated each other. Now my siblings and I were torn apart. It was now a tale of who was more convincing in their story. I only narrated the lines that corroborated.

The fight against religious indoctrination and brainwashing is a personal fight for me. It is an experience with my shattered family that still haunts me until tomorrow. It is the fear that I'm surrounded by a lot of people who albeit their certificates and level of exposure are easily fooled and brainwashed by these vision seers, prophets and prophetess of doom, paedophile priest, fundamentalist Jehovah witnesses and so on. I am scared. I am worried. If my father and mother after nearly 20 years of marriage with 8 issues can become worst enemies under the influence of religious and superstitious beliefs, how much more people who aren't related to me?

You may think rationality is being applied with faith these days, but I tell you, tales like people getting worked up over Tasha Cobbs doing a song with Nicki Minaj is how this sickness starts. Then it escalates to pastors giving their congregation rat poison to drink, burning them to death, extorting them with seeds of faith and pastor's offering, to judging their decisions and actions. And the shocking thing is; THEY OBEY WITHOUT ASKING QUESTIONS. THEY AREN'T FORCED. THEY WILLINGLY SUBMIT THEMSELVES TO THESE DEHUMANIZING TORTURE.

Adults are the ones with lord's chosen armour rolling all over muddy waters with megaphones claiming to be going radical for jesus. Think for a second what such person is capable of should Lazarus Mouka ask him to torch down his house because witches are holding meeting on the roof, and you happen to be a co-tenant?

You may think people are becoming rational until a pastor mounts a pulpit and present responsibility as a marriage thing saying when you have a wife is only when you can be responsible, and at 35 or 37, being single makes you useless. And so you're pressured by these sermons to get into what you're not mentally, financially and emotionally prepared for and mess up kids lives on the long run. Birth kids to poverty, starvation and hunger. Where would your pastor be then? How is the church helping men and women from 30 and 35 get employed and raise families? Your pastors are divorcing, priests are giving relationship and sex advice. What they claim never to engage in.

This is how we end up with so much mind chains that we can't freely express ourselves and human desires. Religious leaders demonize sex and make it an abomination until we catch priests in the inbox of our girlfriends begging them for sex. Until an Otobo comes out open about your pastor licking plate and you still defend with the 'touch not my anointed' BS. How many priests and Reverend fathers have been caught with underaged boys and girls? They'll demonize everything to make you fit into their tiny mind controlling box. They said high heels are demonic. They said human hair is evil. They said make up is Antichrist. So their wives come out looking like a blown up balloon in heavy shoulder padded skirt suits while they run after little girls with Brazilian hair high heels and miniskirts.

What social impact has religion made other than tear people apart with segregation and condemnation? The catholics don't like Protestants. Deeper Life's sunday sermon is an indirect attack on christ embassy's lifestyle. RCCG think winners are overdoing it. MFM says Lord Chosen don't serve the real god. Ordinary campus fellowship canvas for new members like political campaign. JW is in an entirely different league. Heard the other day of a JW who lost her life because of blood transfusion.

YET YOU ALL PREACH THE BIBLE.

Now I tell you, the scarier thing is to think all is well until it happens to you. To grow fond of, fall in love with, build a family, start a business, make plans with a religious person whose pastor can call one day, sit him or her down, have a talk with them and see them bailout on all the plans you have made together. People have called wedding off after years of courting because the pastor didn't like the man or woman or they didn't worship in their church. Contracts, admissions, business proposal and the likes have been retracted for faith and belief differences. So people are left shattered, desperate, broken, not good enough, hurt, lonely, broke, hungry, jobless because of your sick faith. Because you found claim to have found Christ on your wedding eve and he ministered to you that your spouse isn't the right person for you after years.

How do you think it isn't worrisome to be around folks who believe Isaac should have been killed for test of faith? People who can actually ridicule their mothers, Aunties and relatives because the pastor saw a vision and tagged them witches.

Olu Bunmi had been running a series for DV and rape victims and people had been supporting sharing their stories and commenting their thoughts, well wishes, prayers and goodwill messages. Until when she put out a post about Oyedepo, hell was let lose on her wall. Religion sapped away every iota of common sense in most women on that thread as they took defence for their spiritual papa.

I am scared for my society. Scared of my environment and the kind of people I'm surrounded by. I am scared I have lost and is bound to keep losing people who matter to me because of religious ignorance and overzealousness. I am scared I'll get hurt by people's insecurities and harms that would make them blame the devil, read psalm 21 and walk free. I am scared that notorious criminals and psychopaths use churches as rehabilitation centers by answering altar calls and making confessions that should ordinarily land them in jail to serve a life term, but would be anointed and become a pastor while his victims lie in the dirt. That people still give ill gotten monies to church and are glorified. That testimonies are coined from the inspirations of your fellow man's woes. I am scared there are still doctors, lawyers, professors and the likes who still believe faith in god is the solution to all these ills and unless the lord builds the house, the builders build in vain.

Worse, I fear that this message will be read, not processed, not regurgitated, but pass through your eyes and mind with the glaring truth nearly blinding you, but deep rooted indoctrination won't allow you think for yourself.

I fear for reasons too numerous to mention.

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 8:54am On Aug 29, 2017

IT'S ALL IN THE TIMING

It's such a pity Jesus was born so long ago. If he had been born in the 21st century, there would be no doubt about the truth of his claims.

A gynecologist could verify his mother was a virgin, an astronomer could track the star in the East, TV crews could interview the wise men, scientists could verify his miracles, a team of doctors could sign his death certificate and verify his resurrection, and his ascension would be captured on video by hundreds of smartphones.

Jesus could have worn a GoPro Headcam to the crucifixion, last supper and all his other big events, streaming everything live to the Internet.

I suppose that's why he appeared when he did. In those days, all you needed was a good story-teller and a gullible audience, and there were plenty of them about.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 8:23am On Aug 29, 2017

Oliseh Equals Van Marwijk’s Coaching Record At Sittard

August 25, 2017 at 12:07

Fortuna Sittard is slowly setting up under Coach Sunday Oliseh. The Limburgers have even reached the highest point average since 1980 under a trainer who has the team at least for twenty-one games in charge.

For the first time since 1998/99 the Limburgers (Fortuna Sittard) have won five home duels in a row,Oliseh therefore equalswith Bert van Marwijk’s performance. It is true that Van Marwijk put up that series in the Eredivisie. In that season, the Limburgers were also twice as strong for Ajax, where Oliseh played both times at the time.

The victory vs FC Dordrecht (5-1) brings Fortuna Sittard to the top of the Jupiler League table. On February 7, 2014, a margin of at least four was reached in an official duel when Telstar were defeated with 5-0.

After twenty matches in service at Fortuna Sittard, Oliseh scored the highest point average (1.65 per duel) and profit percentage (45 percent) of all trainers who had coached the club at least for a similar period since 1980, according to Opta Sports. The seventeenth place in the ranking of last season seems to be surpassed on this foot.

Article curled from The Jupiler League .nl homepage

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 2:58pm On Aug 28, 2017

Icon79:
Wow. so Ndidi is so good that he's going to play two positions at the same time

O pari o

I will assume this is a lighthearted comment else I would have said something about comprehension.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 2:49pm On Aug 28, 2017

forgiveness:
My humble formation and line up.

............................... Alampasu

Shehu............ Troost............. Leon.......... Echiejile

................. Onazi............. Ogu...........

.......................... Mikel.......

.... Victor............. .. Ighalo............. Etebor.....

Why Ogu and Onazi instead of Ndidi?

Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 1:44pm On Aug 28, 2017*

PROVING GOD EXISTS

It's pretty obvious God has a problem convincing people he's real but I have an idea he may not have
thought of. He should have made 25 December a special day and made sure no babies were EVER born on that day, except one--his son. That would have shown there is something very special about Jesus.

How would Muslims, Jews, Hindus and atheists have explained that?

As it is, around 20 million living people were born on that day as were a clutch of human gods, such as
Horus, Osiris, Attis, Mithra, Heracles, Dionysus, Tammuz and Adonis. It's almost as though, far from
making Jesus unique, God made him look exactly like all the fake gods.

Pity. What a missed opportunity.

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Investment › Re: Mutual Funds by joseph1013: 12:32pm On Aug 28, 2017

jmanity:
Stanbic IBTC and cordros capital offers an average of 18% interest on money market mutual fund per annum, that will give you 1.5% per month, multiply that with 2million and you will get 30,000 per month which is better than savings account and fixed deposit.

The use of 'average' confuses me. Is it the average over a one year period or 5-year period or...

More importantly, I'd like to know how they have fared historically.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 5:25pm On Aug 27, 2017

Joebie:
it's one thing to make a point. How you make the point also matters. It's one thing to defend a specific player. How you defend the player also matters. It's the emotion people put in to defend a player that can easily reveal their tribe. Else why talk about it like your life depends on it? It's similar to the kind of discussion we have when we go political..
State that stats/reasons, and let's continue a healthy discussion -- that way it wouldn't seem sentimental.

He's clearly passionate when he picks a player to defend. I see nothing wrong in it. I see no reason to label him for that especially when we can call up players he has done so for across board.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 5:08pm On Aug 27, 2017

Mickael2:
ever since Ola Aina came into the picture, has he mentioned Ebuehi ever since? food for thought

Ah...as I assumed, he shot himself in the foot. Herein the change in the goalpost when they are forced to discuss intelligibly.

You first said he is against anything Igbo, yet when quizzed about the Igbos he had been on the line for, you quickly change to,"he doesn't mention Ebuehi again". If changing to Aina from Ebuehi makes him a Yoruba tribalistic, does changing from Shehu to Ebuehi make him Igbo tribalistic? Are you following my argument? Are you unconsciously alluding to your lack of basic knowledge of the rules of an argument, one of which is, cover your base.

But again, what if he now prefers Aina? Is Aina not better than Ebuehi in that position? Do reports from the Eagles camp not tell us he is rated highly? Do we not have access to the web where we watch the games of the two of them, and see for ourselves that Aina looks the one better suited for the position?

You see, you offer nothing concrete.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 4:43pm On Aug 27, 2017

Mickael2:
I can see basic knowledge is not so basic for you anyways so let me make it simpler so you can digest.

If Onazi plays, who gets benched? Ndidi, what a surprise. you do understand that the guy has always been against Igbo guys, Onazi is not an Igbo, for him the common denominator is that Igbo guys should be gone.

ok so we started saying that Onazi, Musa and Moses should no longer be in the team, guess the three guys he brought into the conversation as less than worthy folks....no prizes here again, Onyekuru, Iwobi and Nacho. please o, how many games has Leon Balogun played this season? so how come he didnt call his name too? another surprise.

you obviously do not know how to make inferences so I will just have to pardon you, now read what I just typed slowly and tell me that isn't tribalism

Again, the lack of critical thinking. Or may be your love for Ndidi at the expense of Onazi is clouding the reasoning.

How can he be against anything Igbo yet made cases for Ehizibue And Ebuehi? Are you selectively amnesiac or you have not traced your steps to this place at that period in time?

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 4:16pm On Aug 27, 2017

Mickael2:
brother do you actually know the meaning of tribalism? I am pretty sure that you have seen the messages where he was saying that when the coaches of the youth teams will be released only one part of the country will be favoured, is that not a comment borne entirely out of tribalism? see, are you this unintelligent that you are arguing that until you prove him wrong,his tribal-inclined comments are no longer what they are? oga,once you make a comment that suggests your preference towards one part if the country, whether it was countered or not, that is pure tribalism.

now let me dissect that coaching aspect. Manu Garuba was the coach at some point, same goes for Obuh and even Ladan Bosso. the problem with that comment is that we have been doing well at youth level, does it matter which part of the country these guys are from? I thought what we need are the best, not just the best people that have something to offer, does it matter where these people are from? I cannot draw a formation for the SE without including Kayode and excluding Iheanacho entirely, talent wise Nacho is easily the best and on top of that he is from my part of the country, but I believe Kayode is more suitable for that position so I vouch for him. I have been calling for the inclusion of the younger wingers like Olayikan ahead of Iwobi as a winger in fact, the point here is that the best is all that matters. if the NFF decides to hire Yoruba coaches for all the national teams what do I care? so long as they function well we pop a bottle together and celebrate the team. coming here to tell us,without any meaningful fact I must add, that the NFF favours one part of the country portrays tribalism, EOD

Perhaps you are so intelligent that you missed the flow of the discussion. Perhaps.

It was Icon4s I asked that question after a series of exchange but alas you jumped midway without a good understanding of what has led us there.

But back at you, if he says a particular segment is favored, it does not mean it is borne out of a tribalistic mindset. It takes more than that to proof it. So if you go to a court of law and you show that comment, what if he shows you where he argues for Onazi, what will you say?

Actually, looks like the education deficit in the country is having so much toll on the citizens. Let's start with definitions. Tribalism can be defined as loyalty to a tribe or other social group especially when combined with strong negative feelings for people outside the group. (Merriam Webster dictionary)

So how can one be tribalistically inclined towards Yoruba and still care for the inclusion of Ebuehi? Makes sense?

Make strong cases for your positions without resorting to ad hominems. Is that too much to ask?

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 3:53pm On Aug 27, 2017

Petrobros:
Well, I am too busy to spend valuable hours digging up one I formation from over a year ago.

Just call your Yoruba brother to order. He is messing up this thread.

Yet you will term yourself the intelligent party in this discussion. You're not too busy to accuse but you're too busy to back it up?

Do you know what we call accusation without substantiation?

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 3:49pm On Aug 27, 2017

Kog45:
This issue started yesterday btw humility 017 and sir forgiveness and i try to come in which humility responded in a good way but u know what sir forgiveness has his own philosophy when it comes to player invitations which we must respect him just as we respect other people's opinions here without a rancour.

Honestly i hate d word tribal and tagging someone tribal can bring up issues especially in a sensitive country like ours,this made me run from political section in nairaland,we should not turn this thread to politics.To be candid it w take talented Yoruba or Hausa to break into national team coz d game belong to d south east and south south but nevertheless if forgiveness was rooting for his kinsmen,d first question is are they good for d national team but tagging him a tribal man is uncalled for.

I know some monikers here who are worst than forgiveness but it w take a third eyes to notice them coz they do it in a way u w never know but they are tribal.For instance have seen a moniker who always attack Onigbinde and tagged him a tribal man coz he took Opabunmi to world cup forgetting the same man gave Enyeama his first break,d same Onigbinde made Keshi eagles captain at d expense of his kinsman Muda Lawal at afcon 84.The same moniker attack Odegbami at any slight moment forgetting Odegbami made it possible for Chioma Ajuwa to win Olympic gold coz he was responsible for her upkeep and training to Atlanta 96,d same Odegbami made it possible for Nigeria to play England at Wembley.The same moniker attack Kayode Olarewaju even before his invitation to super eagle with no reason,also attack Juwon Oshaniwa now doubting Ola Aina ability but there is no need to tag such fellow tribal man coz this is a forum and there are rules that guide it.

A lot happen here when it comes to player selection and a lot are always carried a way with sentiments and we must respect their opinions, no need to generate issues, we are all here to learn or gather information,d thread is so beautiful to extent is d leading thread on nairaland and we must respect those who started this thread coz they make it what it's today.

What you have done is one of the options available in a constructive discourse. You noticed his tribalistic comments, but even though you had facts to back up your disagreement on his point, you kept it to yourself. That's all I ve been saying.

That's all I have been saying but I'm the tribalistic person for saying people should shun name-calling and deal in a civilized manner. Perhaps it's my shunning of the political section on Nairaland and my sticking to forums like Quora and StackExchange that has sharpened my BS detector. Too many adhominem attacks when people run out of points here.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 3:33pm On Aug 27, 2017

Icon4s:
I recall telling forgiveness that I accused Siasia of having his boys. Same goes for Keshi but I never called it Nepotism. Look at the mix of boys we call Siasia's boys are they all from one Ethnic group? But forgiveness called it Nepotism reasons for which we know.

You can call me a tribalist for all you care. You can ignore any tribalist chants from your Allie also but we know the truth.

That you did not call the term does not mean you have not used it. Nepotism simply means favoritism shown to relatives or friends. Nepotism does not necessarily mean Tribalism. If you have used "Siasia boys" as an accusation on his person, you have inadvertently called Siasia nepotic. So how are you different from him?

And this to me is the crux of the matter. With your many words, you have not given ONE proof that shows he is tribalistic. Just provide ONE. Because the same person that you say is always for Kayode and Aina is the same person attacking those against Onazi, Simon and Musa. Are these also his tribesmen?

Just provide ONE undeniable proof that he is tribalistic. Something to show that he is what you are not guilty of.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 3:03pm On Aug 27, 2017

Icon4s:
Tell me who started using the word "Nepotism" here.

A person that will clearly come here to say a particular set of players being in or excluded from the team is due to nepotism.

He accused Siasia of nepotism. And when Rohr and Salisu came on stream he also accused them of nepotism. I had to tease him with words like " I can see Rohr is from Anambra and Salisu is from Imo".

A person that clearly says Daniel Akpeyi and Ikechukwu Ezenwa are in the team because an Alloy Agu is the goal keeper coach.

If you don't see tribal sentiments in what he says then you are in solidarity with him. Simple.

It's common knowledge that Siasia has his boys.*I cannot begin to name the number of people that have written about that here. You have used "Siasia boys" a couple of times in our threads. How is his own different? Can you also be accused of what you accuse him of?

Anyone rooting for Alampasu here has directly or indirectly inferred that Agu is incompetent and it is his incompetence that has made Akpeyi and Ezenwa mainstays in the Eagles. What has he said differently?

On Rohr, again, ask him to proof. Being who he is, he will engage you. It is left for onlookers to judge whether he has some points or not.

If instead of asking him to proof his comments about public officers and entities, your first recourse is to accused him of tribalism, then it is fairly safe to conclude that you are tribalistic yourself and one that would shut down all dialogue do we do not get to the bottom of an issue.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 2:44pm On Aug 27, 2017

Petrobros:
joseph1013 who has dissapointedly become your attorney also accused you of being a defender of "awon omo Odua". Joseph I lie? So why the turn around. It is very obvious you are both tribes men.

I cannot disappoint you because I don't even know you exist. You disappoint yourself. I think you have a warped sense of information processing. I would like to see the quote you allude to so I can show you the context, if any.

It's obvious you're trying very hard to pin the Yoruba label to me. Can you proof it? I speak the three major languages as my upbringing and job/entrepreneurship has taken me to every part of this country, so can I see your proof of me being a Yorubaman other than these childish tantrums?

If you see me write Yoruba and hence think I'm Yoruba, what will you do when I show you posts in which I wrote Igbo of the Enugu variety? Can you see how much you have failed?

But I wait for you to show me this quote you speak of.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 2:34pm On Aug 27, 2017*

Icon4s:
Joseph1013 tell me this is not a tribal comment.

You think he's wrong? Then bring forth your argument. As long as he is not attacking you and calling you names, there is no need to take it personal. Call him out on his comment and ask him to prove his assertion.

It becomes a tribal comment if he is unable to substantiate his claims. Why not ask him first?

On another note, I know you both do turn it personal on occasion when you engage, and on that you will not see me put my mouth. I don't care. Slug it out. Your cup of tea, both of you!

But I see no reason to take it personal when he is attacking NFF, the coaches, or any other person who is a public officer or entity. He has a stake being a Nigerian and it is only by trading facts that others will see him for the fool you think he is, if he is one, not this annoying labeling that is perforating this thread.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 2:30pm On Aug 27, 2017

Icon4s:
When he is clearly accusing the coaching crew and the NFF of favoring a particular section of the country? You close your eyes to such statements?

If what we will spend the whole time discussing or arguing here is tribalism rather than match tactics, I think it is time for some of us to move on.

Let it turn to a thread where people only come to complain about how the coaches and NFF are short changing a particular section of the country.

Exactly my point. If he accuses the coaching crew of favoritism and you have a counterfact, offer it. Or ask him to provide proof. Or just take it as it is, a babble, and move ahead. Those three options are available, so why retort to the tribalism tag is what my intellectual mind finds difficult to comprehend.

If you think you cannot go for any of this and intend to move on, good riddance...

As an aside, this is the critical point we are in our nationhood. Rather than deal with the facts brought forth by someone like Nnamdi Kanu, people opposed to him, including the government, say he is tribalistic and wants to create chaos. They accuse him of hate speech. Gagging is always our first course of action. It bears repeating that bad ideology should always be countered with good ideology, not name-calling and the shutting down of all discussions.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 2:22pm On Aug 27, 2017*

Icon4s:
Excuse me.

Please don't bring me into this current matter.

I have been on this thread now since inception and I can tell you I know the thinking pattern of almost everyone here.

You don't need to defend anybody. Let him defend himself except if you are telling us you share same sentiments with him.

He went on self imposed exile and we have been enjoying discussions without seeing that word 'tribalism'. He is back and that word keeps coming up.
Even accusing Rohr of cultism just because he didn't include certain players from a certain part of the country. I don't blame anyone for accusing him of tribalism.

This is a public forum and people can come and go as they wish. He can go on exile and come as he wishes. If he is back and you think he says something you don't agree with, it's lazy to use the tribalism tag.

I called you out because I know you started it. Prior to that time, it was fact for fact and the best man usually wins, or we just get tired of the argument and move to other matters. It was a needless trend you started. Who cares where anyone is from here? I surely don't, so whoever starts with tribal tags is sure to get on my nerves and you asking me not to say my mind on this matter all in the name of the same tribal tag is another show of shame. Again, counter fact with fact. If you think he is undeserving of your attention, wakapass. How many times do we wakapass posts of people who promote bets here?

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 2:13pm On Aug 27, 2017

safarigirl:
is England not foreign? A person being pro-England, does it no mean pro-foreign?

That you haven't noticed me continually say Komekn likes 'borough' players cements my observation that you have not been following this thread judiciously...

Here was your comment:

"The only moniker here that is pro-foreign in it's truest form is komekn..."

Pray, how does pro-foreign equal pro-england? For the purpose of education, pro-foreign encompasses players outside the shores of this country. That you are pro-england does not make you pro-foreign. But you cant be pro-foreign without being pro-england. Simple logic!

Again, counter whatever nonsense you think he spews with logic and good information. If you think him too unintelligent for you, wakapass. Some choose that route and we're the better for it on this thread.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 2:08pm On Aug 27, 2017*

Petrobros:
You and forgiveness are obviously from the same ethnic group. This is just a solidarity comment.

LOL. I'm Yoruba because I ask that whoever opposes him should counter with facts and not muddle the water with name-calling? Is that how tribes fall on people? So next time I defend another person from another tribe, I become a member of his tribe? It's that easy? Please some intellectual acuity! This is obviously a shallow attempt at engaging intelligently in the discourse.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 9:12pm On Aug 26, 2017

safarigirl:
if you have not noticed forgiveness and tribalism, you have not been following this thread judiciously...

How many times will he even bring up a foreigner who isn't named Ola-something?

The only moniker here that is pro-foreign in it's truest form is komekn....forgiveness is pro-Yoruba.

That you don't know komekn is only pro-England says it all. Further cements my observation that the tribalism tag is all projection.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 8:57pm On Aug 26, 2017

safarigirl:
it is hard, if not impossible, to read anything forgiveness posts without bringing in tribalism. It is only if we want to turn a blind eye to his apparent bias that you will expect anyone not to see a pattern of favouring his gbegiri boys

The way some expect others not to react to what is staring you in the face is befuddling. If you don't want to state the obvious, don't expect others not to or to simply ignore. I reserve the right to call out anything suspicious...

Just read the rubbish oga forgiveness is writing here...

Kayode better than Onyekuru
Kayode more deserving of a call up than Nwakaeme
Awoniyi better than Iheanacho

He won't even pause to ask why certain people were called up and their impact in the game like many others have done this far, all he sees is how Gernot Ikechukwu Rohr is favouring a certain section of the country

For the love of God! Are we to ignore this pattern? No, let us keep tribalism away by ignoring the one person who always brings it up with his posts.

Nobody brings up tribalism on this thread until forgiveness shows up. Maybe for once, you should stop telling other people not to state the obvious and CALL OUT FORGIVENESS on his BS

The suggestiveness when it has to do with forgiveness is truly amazing. It was Icon4s that started it in one of their heated arguments and since then it has been a recurring pattern for anyone who happens to disagree with him subsequently to use it as a cop-out when he runs out of sound arguments. It's so easy to latch on to it when nothing substantive can be offered in the discussion.

He says a lot of nonsense that I just ignore, like some others here, but somehow he manages to back them up, even when they sound childish. But it is confirmation bias to say the only people he fronts for to make the Eagles are his tribesmen. Anyone who has been on this thread long enough knows that he argues for anything foreign. That's all he knows and I 100% can tell you that he has argued for foreign players from the North, South and East of the country that are legitimate for the Eagles.

If anyone has a reason why those he fronts should not be called, let him bring forth their arguments. Constantly reverting to 'tribalism' may excite some people here, but it's a sight that kills off all manner of constructive discussion.

For instance, I had expected the moniker in question to call him up on the issue of "Rohr and cultism", not bring up the childish label of tribalism. Life is not so serious.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 3:44pm On Aug 26, 2017

Humility017:
stop playing to the galary....just say you want more of your tribal men in the SE and we all will understand...as simple as that
you mean same awoniyi who is just finding his place now.....
even in that Belgium league....nacho is far ahead....very far.

Stop bringing tribe to everything. Can't you make your arguments and oppose him without using that word? Why are we like this in this country?

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 11:30am On Aug 26, 2017

CHATTING WITH GOD

"I don't want to reveal myself to people, so I hide from them. I'm really good at that."

"But you want people to believe you exist?"

"Yes. I just want them to believe on faith that I exist."

"But, if people have to rely on faith, they might believe in a different god in error--it becomes a lottery
doesn't it?"

"True. But if they believe in a different god, I'll torture them in an inhuman way. I'm good at that too."

"Are you saying they should believe in you because you threaten to torture them?"

"No. They should believe in me because they love me."

"You're f**king insane."

"I suppose so, hehehe hehehe! Please can I be your friend?"

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 1:56pm On Aug 25, 2017

THE BELIEVER'S NIGHTMARE

There is one thing every god-believer knows but will not admit.

You can look at 4,000 gods and be completely confident that they were all invented by men. But the 4,001st god is different--this one you are convinced is real. Why?

Is there evidence for this last god but not for the others? No. There is no evidence that any of these gods exist.

Is this last god free from the fantasy stories associated with fake gods? Things like creating the universe in a magical way (a way that is always contradicted by evidence), being born of a virgin, performing miracles or dying and being resurrected? No.

So what does uniquely distinguish the god you believe is real god from the 4,000 fakes? Only one thing--your mum or your dad believed it was real too.

But you know, you really do know, the fact your parents and your grandparents and your great grandparents believed in this god is not evidence that it exists, it is evidence that it is the god of the culture you happen to have been born into.

It is a reason to doubt your god, not to embrace it.

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Culture › Re: Juju Claims Are Fraudulent: An African Fetish (Published In 1905) by joseph1013: 1:50pm On Aug 25, 2017

stephenmorris:
cc-seun ,lalasticlala,plaetton,Joseph1013,Hahn....akintom,libradeus,loj.kevoh,fratermathy,

I'm unashamedly in favor of laissez-faire and westernization in general. When I tell folks that colonization was the best thing to happen to Africans, I get called names. However, it is colonization that has saved us from this backwardness and brought us into the light of civilization.

In this wise, decolonization in the manner it was carried out was a great disservice to us. We have destroyed the legacies and have proven incapable of governing ourselves. Shame on the black man!

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 1:14pm On Aug 24, 2017

TRUE AND FALSE

Has anyone else noticed how Muslims deny the authenticity of Hadiths when they are ridiculous or embarrassing but assert them to be the actual words of the Prophet when they are not.

It seems Hadiths have the extraordinary property that they are true if you agree with them but false if you do not.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 11:40am On Aug 24, 2017

pyrex23:
Just decided to try a formation with 3 at d back.....
Its wide open for critism nd support

It's an adventurous line-up that looks tantalizing. Of course we have never used it so it's too risky in the forthcoming competitive games, but something to think about during our friendly matches.

Something I like about this is that it plays to our strength as we have so many attacking players. In fact when we are at the back foot with the opponent attacking us from all angles, Ogu and Ndidi can also feature as CBs, so they can be deployed so we have 4 at the back, while Ogu and Mikel shield the defence.

Worth giving a look.

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