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forgiveness:Chai...you sef don dey insult o. Wetin happen? safarigirl, you sef relax. No be every comment you go respond to. And remember, tackle the points, not the person. |
Liamm:I welcome you. So you're one of the notorious silent readers. Now, go and vote |
tbaba1234:Okay...so they qualify for playoff even if at the end of the season, they are in the bottom 10 in the league? I also find it curious that they are deemed to have topped the league in the winter break when the second best team, NEC, has a game in hand, a game if they win will put them at the top of the league. |
What does it mean when Oliseh is said to have led Fortuna Sittard to the playoffs for the Eredivisie? They have played just 19 games and there are 20 teams in the division, meaning they are going to play 38 games in total. cc: theSuperNerd, Mujtahida, tbaba1234 |
tglobal:Just edit the below with the names of your choice. DaveP will manually use the notable mentions to arrive at the winners. CATEGORIES 1. Most Controversial Poster 2. Most Interactive Poster 3. Most Intelligent Poster 4. Most Resourceful Poster 5. Most Respectful Poster 6. Most Consistent Poster 7. Most Positive Poster 8. Best Sense of Humor 9. Most Critical Poster 10. Nicest Poster 11. Most Influential Poster 12. Most Pro-Foreign Born Poster 13. Most Pro-Naija League Poster 14. People's Favourite 15. Most Sentimental 16. Notorious Silent Reader 17. Impressive Thread Newbie 18. Diehard Super Eagles Fan 19. Best Friends 20. Most Outstanding Poster 21. Overall Best Poster 22. Top Dramatic Topics 23. Honourable Mention: |
daveP: Make una vote na. Abeg una want make dem beg una? Oya, go vote cc: AIG07, Isahalbash, Safarigirl, Joebie, Kog45, Goldfish80, daveP, kennysville, realpoacher, tbaba1234, komekn, Mujtahida, certitude, humility017, forgiveness, enomakos, TheGoodjoe, Mikael2, petrobros, Bascovanveli, TheSuperNerd, chrisoblog, loogan, do4luv14, icon79, maidaboi, terzurum5, Okpekyandega, Icon4s, TheSuperNerd, lakesidepapa, goldfish80, Xzbit91, lexyman, Humility017, ChrisKels, bigblangston, goke7, Chrismario, Daninya11, shawwal1, ganiyat2adeyeri, yemyke001, edi287, krattoss, eseose9, oasis007, jihday, tglobal, jars etc. Ignore if you've already voted. |
darkelf:Having topnotch passing ability in the Portuguese league does not mean retaining it in the EPL. The fast pace of the EPL makes many a player struggle to replicate their precious abilities in other leagues there. Also, if that's all he has to offer, then he might want to consider upgrading himself in other aspects of the game, e.g. tackling, interception, clearances etc. Ndidi is leading (or one of those leading) the league in one or two of these. I see what you mean though, there should be no complacency for Ndidi. Work on your weaknesses, improve on your strengths. |
TheSuperNerd:Your retention ability is amazing. Don't ever lose it. |
Olajide Abiola HAPPY NEW YEAR, BELIEVERS AND UNBELIEVERS ALIKE. BECAUSE AFTER ALL IS SAID AND DONE, WE ARE ALL HUMANS WITH NEEDS AND WANTS. |
daveP:Alright then. I guess you collate and just announce the winners. |
TheSuperNerd! Good to see you back. I knew you'd be back when you're ready. I'm sure you know that there will still be personal differences, however everyone on the thread has been tasked with watching one another's back in cases of unnecessary personal attacks and calling them out as often as they are spotted. You can see we have a richer house. 2018 will be interesting. #BuckleUp |
I have updated the categories. See below: joseph1013: |
AIG07:The idea is to have everyone give us their opinions and the most notable mentions takes the award. |
joseph1013: |
AWARDS FOR THIS THREAD 2017 I should have done this well before now but it kept escaping me. Let's cut the aggressive banters and have a little fun. So, I will be listing out some categories and you are allowed to nominate the posters of your choice. You can also add the categories I have omitted. This will last for 72 hours. At the end of which, safarigirl, if she agrees, will announce the winners on Thursday, 4th January, 2018 by 7pm. CATEGORIES 1. Most Controversial Poster 2. Most Interactive Poster 3. Most Intelligent Poster 4. Most Resourceful Poster 5. Most Respectful Poster 6. Most Consistent Poster 7. Most Positive Poster 8. Best Sense of Humor 9. Most Critical Poster 10. Nicest Poster 11. Most Influential Poster 12. Most Pro-Foreign Born Poster 13. Most Pro-Naija League Poster 14. People's Favourite 15. Most Sentimental 16. Notorious Silent Reader 17. Impressive Thread Newbie 18. Diehard Super Eagles Fan 19. Best Friends 20. Most Outstanding Poster 21. Overall Best Poster 22. Top Dramatic Topics 23. Honourable Mention: I, by the power vested on me by this thread, unanimously give this category to THESUPERNERD. Whoever does not accept should go and report to Buhari. ![]() Any other categories I'm missing? PS: Apologies the get-together could not happen. I am out of the country. cc: AIG07, Isahalbash, Safarigirl, Joebie, Kog45, Goldfish80, daveP, kennysville, realpoacher, tbaba1234, komekn, Mujtahida, certitude, humility017, forgiveness, enomakos, TheGoodjoe, Mikael2, petrobros, Bascovanveli, TheSuperNerd, chrisoblog, loogan, do4luv14, icon79, maidaboi, terzurum5, Okpekyandega, Icon4s, TheSuperNerd, lakesidepapa, goldfish80, Xzbit91, lexyman, Humility017, ChrisKels, bigblangston, goke7, Chrismario, Daninya11, shawwal1, ganiyat2adeyeri, yemyke001, edi287, krattoss, eseose9, oasis007, jihday etc. I tender my unreserved apologies if your name is not here. Let's have some fun. |
WHAT IF YOU ARE WRONG? The what-if-you're-wrong argument is still regularly wheeled out by theists. We've all heard it--they say it costs nothing to believe and, if you're right, you stand to gain eternal benefits. But if you don't believe, you take the chance of eternal torture. Is it worth the risk? When I hear this argument, I ask how many ways are there to be wrong? If you are a protestant, you may be wrong because you are not a Catholic. If you are a Lutheran you may be wrong because you are not a Baptist. If you are a Christian you may be wrong because you are not a Muslim. If you believe in the God of Abraham, you may be wrong because you don't believe in Odin or any of several thousand other gods that may have prepared an unpleasant afterlife for you. With thousands of gods, tens of thousands of religions and denominations, the odds of anyone being right are a few hundred thousand to one. So a believer's odds of getting to heaven are barely better than mine. But there is another issue here. The issue of honesty. Theists often present this argument as the real reason they believe. So ask them if they will stop believing in their god now that they know their reason for believing is flawed. If they will not they are not only logically challenged, they are dishonest too. |
forgiveness: Bro, he's right. Based on available data, the 94 set was not really as great individually as initially thought. As a team, they were a delight to watch. In that respect, they compare favorably with today's team. It was the '98 set that was full of very good individual players but we messed up our chances with poor tactics. Oga, we live to fight another day. Today is not your day. |
M7even:LOL. Bro, there is not a single logical fallacy that has not been committed on this thread. The most notorious has to be ad Hominem; persons whose main contributions are personal attacks and refutation by caricature. So, just enjoy yourself. Call out the specific examples/persons you can call out and make your contributions. As far as I know, we're making do with the best resources at our disposal for the world cup. And l see us having a minimum of 7 points in that group, not after I read the interview conducted by Rohr and listened to Pinnick on Channels. I have come to believe that they know all of our concerns intimately and are finding ways of plugging the loopholes. Just this morning, I read that NFF has waded into the controversy concerning Henry's injury to know the real situation so as to plan if he will be available for the world cup. This is a player I have high hopes for and it's reassuring to hear NFF go the length. The Eagles won't be easy foes. And whoever underestimates this team will be in for a shocker. The games of 2017 serve as evidence. |
TIME TO GROW UP Humans have progressed to the stage where we can travel to the most distant place on Earth in less than a day. We can hold a conversation with people on the far side of the world. We can identify the components of atoms and we can study objects billions of light-years away. Yet still most of us continue to believe the stories our species invented in its infancy, when we understood little about our planet and less about the cosmos--a time when a day's travel would take you to the next village. We believe, in our billions, that the universe was made by an invisible man in a few days. We believe this despite near-certain evidence that it is not true. And we believe that when we die and our bodies decompose, we will be magically restored and will live forever. How long does it take for a species to grow up? |
WHAT IF? If there was a god and prayer worked, churches would be our most useful institutions. They could systematically rid the world of its problems: poverty, unemployment, hurricanes, wars, killer diseases, earthquakes, global warming, drought and much more. They would surely earn their tax-exempt status. Churches would deliver heaven on earth. They would transform the world for the better. We would live longer, healthier and happier lives. But none of these things happen. People in churches fervently pray and the world carries on regardless. Churches are an irrelevant sideshow to the real job of making a better world. But why are millions of people praying to get a spouse or a pay rise instead of praying to rid the world of malaria? Or is there no benevolent sky daddy helping his devoted children? |
Icon4s:This match! LOL. We had to run to bring back Rufai. |
Mujtahida:On your second point, the form of the '94 squad cannot be compared with this one. Yekini was a top scorer at Olympiakos Amuneke was at Sporting. Amokachi at Club Brugge Okocha at Frankfurt Adepoju at Santander at La Liga In fact save for Keshi, the first team was filled with players playing REGULARLY for their teams in Europe. That team was solid. It was not for nothing that everywhere you go in the world, it's the members of that team that foreigners keep asking you about. Even player for player, the '98 team was more solid player for player than this present team. So it's only someone who has not followed the Eagles for long that agrees that all we've ever had are average players. But that's a distraction. This team is my favourite team. And it's because of the unity and love they exhibit. I'm 80% certain we will qualify from that group. And 50% we'll get to the semi finals. And it's all because they play for each other. |
Mujtahida:Can we have a bet on it? Rohr WILL be sacked if we don't qualify from that group. Wanna bet? No time for stories, bro. |
TheGoodJoe:You employ the Appeal to Authority fallacy too much. In the face of evidence and fact, you'd rather hide behind an authority. But you're not even consistent with it. When someone else uses it, you revert to "you cannot tell me what I watched with my eyes" escape. It's all poor argument tactics. We should learn to succumb in the face of superior arguments. |
HOW DO WE GROUND MORALITY? Recently a theist asked me how we ground morality. He asked, "What is the standard that is seemingly absolute and universal? Theists propose God as the anchor. If you disagree, what is the grounding of objective morality?" Here is my answer. I agree there is a sense in which morality is absolute but no hypothetical supernatural being is required for this to be true. Think of morality as something we have to discover--in the same way that the speed of light is absolute, but we didn't know what it was until we discovered it. Morality references the effect of our behaviour on other humans (or other sentient beings). Actions that harm others are said to be immoral and those that benefit others (or do not harm them) are said to be moral or morally neutral. There are some actions that are clearly objectively immoral. For example, seizing a random person and lopping off his head is objectively immoral. But there are many things that are not so clear. For example, is it moral to fight a war to save people from genocide or is it moral to add fluoride to drinking water? There are hundreds of examples of moral dilemmas like this. There is also the problem of unintended consequences. Some behaviours may be intended to have beneficial consequences but turn out to do more harm than good. In reality, it is hard to find an objective answer to many moral questions because we don't have enough data, or enough computing power. This is why morality is something we have to learn. As a species, we have done quite well over the past 3,000 years. We've learnt a lot and, broadly, our laws, conventions and behaviours have hugely improved over this time (with a few exceptions). Interestingly, religions have a tendency to hold us back by claiming objective moral laws come from an Iron Age god and, therefore, cannot be changed--leaving us stuck with morality we have outgrown. Islam is the best example of this. Christianity was like this too for most of its existence but has become more flexible over the past 200 years or so. Since morality is something that has to be learned, it is crucial that we learn and change. We have changed but we still have room to improve. Religion just gets in the way. We need reason and science to make progress--not superstition. |
Icon4s:If we crash out at the group stage, Rohr will be sacked. We will be back to square one. Our players are not playing and those that are playing are not setting their clubs on fire. But since we don't have better replacements, all we can hope is for the teamwork that has always worked for us to keep working. That's the best we can hope for going into the Mundial. |
Elparaiso:Finally decided to find out what TL;DR means. LOL |
Elparaiso:Finally decided to find out what TL;DR means. LOL |
WE ARE ALL IDIOTS SOMETIMES Sometimes atheists are rude when talking to theists. That is wrong and unnecessary, and I do not condone it. However, I understand it. The arguments theists use to justify their beliefs are typically so poor that the least thought reveals their flaws. But theists focus singlemindedly on defending their beliefs and not on rejecting failed arguments. That's why they miss fatal flaws. It is this that drives atheists to distraction--sometimes to the point of declaring the theist an idiot. I suspect the real reason atheists stoop so low is that they have been there. They were once theists and they have defended bad arguments. But once they stopped defending arguments and began challenging them, everything clicked into place and they soon realised how simple it is to see through the nonsense. I'll bet, at some point, almost every new atheist called themselves an idiot for not seeing the blindingly obvious. So there is no need for us to call theists idiots--when eventually their lights go on, they will do that for themselves. |
zicky:How else would the thread be as long if random names are not called? Someone even said Sokari is better than Joel. Another agreed with an emotional fan who said he is the best midfielder in leagues all over Africa. It's his time. It will be up soon. Then may be Gbolahan Salami will take over. Merry Christmas, people! |
MERRY CHRISTMAS! Every Christmas, I repeat this post for the sake of the new readers. Long, but insightful. https://www.mjemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/XMASS1928.jpg Whenever you say Jesus is the reason for the season, you need to be reminded of some historical facts. The history of Christmas is very long & tortuous but I'll try & present an abridged version here. Of course, I expect everybody to know that the origin of Christmas has nothing to do with Jesus or Christianity but in case you didn't know, your ignorance should be cleared by the time you finish reading this. What you're about to read may be something you've never heard before. To start with, why December 25? The day Jesus was born (if he ever was born) is not known. That's strange! Almost all persons who have a wide impact on the world have known birthdays. The census reported in Luke (the one requiring Joseph & Mary to travel to Bethlehem) actually never took place and the story of an astronomical event ('Star in the East') reported in Matthew as to have happened around then is yet to be verified by scientists. There was a Roman pagan celebration of the birthday of Mythra, the Sun God. This celebration took place on December 25. When the Roman Emperors forced the whole world to become Christians ('Catholicism'), they needed to accommodate everybody into the church. One way of doing that was to inculcate some of their customs into the church. Since the Christians at that time associated Jesus with the 'Sun of Righteousness' mentioned in Malachi 4:2, Emperor Constantine drew a parallel between the two 'Suns' (Mythra, the pagan Sun & Jesus, the Christian Sun) and decreed that December 25 should be used to celebrate the birthday of Jesus. As an aside, every time you go to church on Sun-day morning, you're testifying to Mythra, the pagan Sun god. Before then, Jehovah was worshipped on Saturday while the Sun God was worshipped on Sun-day. Because of the implications on the religion, some early Christians didn't like the idea that Christmas was a pagan invention. So they invented an alternative theory. 1st century anonymous work said the world was created on March 28. Iraenus (a 1st century historian) plagiarized that & said Jesus must have been crucified on March 25 & if so, he equated the equinox (March 25) with the conception of Jesus. This made so many early Christians BELIEVE (what can't belief achieve?) that Mary must have been impregnated by the Holy Ghost on March 25. And if someone got pregnant on March 25, then she must have given birth on December 25, i.e., 9 months after. But this attempt is funny. How can you just base your belief on someone else's conjecture? And if the Son of God wasn't conceived through natural means, how are you sure that the pregnancy went the natural way of 9 months? Jesus could've spent 15 months or 3 months in her mother's womb: you can never know. The caroling was a Christian conversion of the pagan Koliada. The gift-giving spree is reminiscent of an earlier Roman pagan celebration of Saturnalia. The Yule (or Yuletide) is the name of an indigenous midwinter festival celebrated by ancient Germanic peoples. The Christmas tree is a direct importation of the pagan tree worship which was tied to the Thor god. Father Christmas & Santa Claus are fictional figures but even though the idea of the former predated the latter, they later became unified into a single personality. Santa Claus is the anglicized form of 'Sinterklass' which simply meant Saint Nicholas in Dutch. St. Nicholas was a Greek bishop who was noted for taking care of children and rewarding the well-behaved ones with gifts. Even though the St. Nicholas Day (a feast of giving in its own right) is still celebrated on December 6, the St. Nicholas concept (called 'Santa Claus') was superimposed on the preexisting Father Christmas as a means of further Christianizing a pagan celebration of December 25. All these pagan origins made a section of the 17th century church to frown on Christmas. In addition, they discovered that no saint celebrated their birthday in the Bible (in fact, Job & Jeremiah cursed their birthdays) and every birthday celebrated in the Bible (Pharaoh's in Genesis 40 & Herod's in Mark 6) was marred by an evil consequence. Called the 'Puritans' (an essentially reformationist Protestant movement), they campaigned against the pagan & unbiblical celebration called Christmas. In fact, they were the ones ruling the English Parliament & they outlawed Christmas for these reasons. As they were the colonial masters of America ('New England'), Christmas was similarly outlawed over there. Even though, political dynamics restored Christmas to Christianity later (18th century onwards), such puritan sects still exist today. Examples are the Jehovah Witnesses & the Deeper Life Bible Church who don't celebrate Christmas for the same reasons. But some of those Christian sects go to church on Sunday. As I said earlier, worshipping Jehovah on Sunday has exactly the same origin as celebrating Jesus' birth at Christmas: so why they have problems with Christmas & not Sunday services is still a mystery. Anyway, Christmas is now approaching the status it started from — a non-Christian significance. The progressive secularization of the festival is obvious in the songs: some are outright religious songs (e.g., 'Silent Night', 'Hark! The Herald Angel Sing') while others are purely secular (e.g., 'Jingle Bells', 'Days of Christmas'). There have been campaigns in the US to convert the greeting, 'Merry Xmas', to 'Happy Holidays'. The Philadelphia State outlawed Christmas carol in schools. Christmas is increasingly becoming more of a secular celebration than religious. Nigeria is one of many countries where Christmas is a public holiday. How that happened is well-represented in the picture above. I'm sure seeing that picture will make you love Xmas as an African. Enough said! And FYI, in case you think it's the whole world that's celebrating the 'born-in-a-manger' story, you need to read this. Christmas is NOT a public holiday in many countries like Afghanistan, Algeria, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bhutan, Cambodia, China, Comoros, Iran, Israel, Japan, Kuwait, Laos, Libya, Maldives, Mauritania, Mongolia, Morocco, North Korea, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, Saudi Arabia, Tajikistan, Thailand, Tunisia, Turkey, Turkmenistan, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Vietnam, & Yemen. Countries like Somalia & Brunei have even banned Christmas celebrations with anybody doing something as simple as wearing a Santa Claus hat to spend 5 years in jail. Of course, that's how intolerant Muslim-dominated countries can be to foreign ideologies compared to Christian-dominated countries. Countries like Japan, where Christians are a tiny minority, widely celebrate Christmas purely for the exotic cultural & secular significance. Thanks for your time Merry Xmas (sorry, Happy Holidays) to you all! [/b] |
THE LEGACY OF JESUS CHRIST Jesus, if he ever lived, was a revolutionary. He preached love and forgiveness, the redistribution of wealth and equal respect for everyone regardless of gender or social standing. And he did this at a time when such ideas would have sounded profoundly outrageous and shocking. But his inspirational message came with strings attached. There were two monster strings. First you had to believe in the thoroughly evil, genocidal Jewish God and second you had to believe you will be subject to judgement when you die and, if you don't pass muster, you'll end up being tortured for ever. Perhaps, at that time, these strings were necessary. Creating a brand new god (or pronouncing there is no god) is fraught with dangers--it is always easier to modify what exists than invent something new from whole cloth. No doubt that is why Muhammad and Joseph Smith followed the same tried and tested formula hundreds/thousands of years later. The idea of an afterlife, in various forms, had been around for millennia by the time Jesus is said to have preached. It had become a deeply entrenched belief. Jesus refined it and turned it into an effective carrot and stick to encourage the superstitious people of the time to follow his new religion. In the end it was the strings and not the central message that had most impact on the world. The real legacy of Jesus is not his message of love and fellowship but the message of the hateful, jealous and vindictive Jewish God. From the Crusades through the Inquisitions to witch burning and suicide bombers, appeasing God and winning a place in Heaven have proved more enticing messages than loving our neighbours. Great pity and, if Jesus was real, this not what he would have hoped for. |
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Robinson Crusoe, Lovely book. One of Daniel Defoe's best works.