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Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 4:27pm On Sep 02, 2016

ramonchang:
I see religion (and consequently “God”) as mans invention probably so that man will be able to move the burden of blame of his failure from himself. I came to this conclusion because virtually alltribes on the earth have one or more religion (and consequently gods/Gods). Why?? Why ll all peaple on earth want a being that they havent seen to exist….its because they all av one basic feature -they dont want to take blames they dont want to be responsible for their failures
But unfortunately…religion (and consequebtly God/gods) has ended up creating more problems for us leaving the problem it was createc to solve unsolved!!

I think a more fundamental reason is the need to know. All tribes start off as being primitive in nature and therefore do not have a good knowledge of their natural environment. Their inability to explain some phenomena led them into the god-of-the-gap fallacy.

Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 4:24pm On Sep 02, 2016

frank317:
Great thread... Addicted to it

Thanks boss.

Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 10:25am On Sep 01, 2016

[b]THERE IS TETRAGRAMMATON OH!

According to a Jewish tradition, the Jewish/Christian god’s divine name, the Tetragrammaton can be written but is too holy to be vocalized. Consequently, over the centuries, various substitutes mainly from the Hebrew orthography known as Niqqud (a system of diacritical signs used to represent vowels) were used to replace the divine name wherever יְהֹוָה appears in text form. Noted for coining a number of those replacement names were the Masoretes, a group of Jewish scribe-scholars who worked between the 6th and 10th centuries.

The fear of vocalizing Tetragrammaton led to the Masoretes substituting the name with the now often used YHWH, (Yahweh), Adonai (“Lord” or “My Lord”) and Elohim (now define as "God" wink

. The Masoretes subsequently inserted the Hebrew vowel points of Adonai to the Tetragrammaton, and the resulting form was transliterated (essentially a Latinization) around the 12th century as “Yehowah” and popularized as “Jehovah” in William Tyndale’s translation of the bible.

Though the etymology of the word “God” is largely disputed, some ascribe it to ancient Teutonic pagan origin, however legend has it that Tyndale sought a word that captures the ruler of a vast expanse of land, the closest English equivalent being “Lord”…thus he coined “God” as a corruption of ‘Lord”.

It is said that Tyndale’s work was probably made easier because, he was “so skilled in eight languages – Hebrew, Greek, Latin, Spanish, French, Italian, English, and German, that whichever he speaks, you might think it his native tongue!” Though this skill was sufficient to help in the translation, it was the advent of Gutenberg’s movable-type press that made printing of several copies of the newly translated bible possible.

Of course, the Church considered Tyndale’s actions heretical and for his efforts, his translation of the bible (which has since become the root of all translations and to which we owe a number of English words) was banned on the orders of King Henry VIII and the Anglican Church. Tyndale was subsequently tried for heresy and treason, convicted, and on October 6, 1536 strangled and burnt at the stake in the prison yard.

Thank Tetragrammaton for William Tyndale.

There is Tetragrammaton oh![/b]

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 2:39pm On Aug 31, 2016

An atheist worth $53Billion who is from a foreign country walked the streets of Lagos without armed bodyguards, but your Pastors who bathe and drink "blood" of Jesus, Yahweh, Peter and Paul daily, cant walk 3 streets in their own nation without mobile Police with guns and koboko as escorts.

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 1:30pm On Aug 31, 2016

[b]TOUCH NOT MY ANOINTED

The problem with translating a text from one language to another is that some words and phrases can never have an equivalent word or phrase in the other language. Most of the time, we are left with the translators bias or understanding of what he is translating. Now imagine the bible which has been translated over and over again through many languages before it got to English.

Imagine the time span and the fact that some phrases which may make sense in a specific time and culture will not make sense in another time and therefore the translators will have no idea how to make it make sense in their time etc etc.

There is also the context of politics too. Compilers and translators may have an agenda to promote and this certainly showed in the compilation of the New Testament....

Well, I'll just focus on CONTEXT right now and I will pick one example

Touch not mine Anointed.
This is the favourite phrase for Pastors who want to stifle criticism and their followers always deploy it with great effect. But, is this a case of taking a verse out of context? Let us see what the bible passage says...

Psalms 105: 1-15 (NKJV)
"1 Oh, give thanks to the Lord!
Call upon His name;
Make known His deeds among the peoples!
2 Sing to Him, sing psalms to Him;
Talk of all His wondrous works!
3 Glory in His holy name;
Let the hearts of those rejoice who seek the Lord!
4 Seek the Lord and His strength;
Seek His face evermore!
5 Remember His marvelous works which He has done,
His wonders, and the judgments of His mouth,
6 O seed of Abraham His servant,
You children of Jacob, His chosen ones!
7 He is the Lord our God;
His judgments are in all the earth.
8 He remembers His covenant forever,
The word which He commanded, for a thousand generations,
9 The covenant which He made with Abraham,
And His oath to Isaac,
10 And confirmed it to Jacob for a statute,
To Israel as an everlasting covenant,
11 Saying, “To you I will give the land of Canaan
As the allotment of your inheritance,”
12 When they were few in number,
Indeed very few, and strangers in it.
13 When they went from one nation to another,
From one kingdom to another people,
14 He permitted no one to do them wrong;
Yes, He rebuked kings for their sakes,
15 Saying, “Do not touch My anointed ones,
And do My prophets no harm.”"

As can be seen clearly from the beginning of the Chapter, this verse is about Israel as a Nation and NOT about any individual person. The Psalmist here was praising Yahweh for keeping the Nation of Israel safe as per the covenant he made with the forefathers of the Israelites. Now this phrase has been taken out of context to suit the bias of shady pastors who want to stifle any criticism of their actions and words, and trust their followers to repeat after them like demented parrots.

When religious people say that sceptics like to take passages of the bible out of context, I usually laugh because even they, most of time, have no idea what the right context of what they parrot is supposed to be. LOL![/b]

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Webmasters › Re: Mark Zuckerberg: Startup Ecosystem In Nigeria Is What I Came To Learn by joseph1013: 7:41pm On Aug 30, 2016

PrinceAbinibi:
The Second Greatest hustler of my generation, I salute you Mark, If you fit show for my place around 10, the table is set, the kids are excited to meet you! The definition of Famzing!

Who is the first?

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Sports › Re: Forgotten Players In Nigerian Soccer by joseph1013: 5:54pm On Aug 30, 2016

Icon4s:
Question directed to Syenite = icon4s.

Okocha to me remains the best creative midfielder we have ever had.

Midfielders that came close were Etim Esin and Henry Nwosu. I watched Esin and Nwosu play in the 1980s, but Okocha was better than them.

Chai...we don tey for this site o. LOL

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 8:45am On Aug 30, 2016

[b]MY FAVOURITE BOOK IN THE BIBLE

Contrary to what many of you think, atheists and sceptics don't think the bible has nothing good about it. There are some good stuff intermixed with all the other horrible stuff.

Personally, the book of Ecclesiastics is my favourite bible book. Pretty much all its 12 chapters are personal favourites of mine. I can hardly find anything to criticise about the book, except well, King Solomon didn't actually write it. Going by the bible's own genealogy, it was written long after Solomon must have died.

This book reads like the contemplation of an ancient philosopher. Someone who doesn't believe in the afterlife and who believes that this life is the one, the only one. Sounds familiar? Hehe. It is also interesting to note that in the whole of the Hebrew Scriptures(Old Testament), there is virtually no mention of the afterlife. God's wrath was swift and immediate. You f**k up, you get murdered on the spot. No delay, no afterlife punishment. No wonder Jews right till this time in Palestine and everywhere in the world don't believe in Hellfire.

It was gentle Jesus meek and mild that introduced the concept of an eternity of afterlife reward or punishment in the New Testament. Ironic, isn't it?

Anyway, back to the good stuff. In the last 2 verses of the last chapter there was a passage that tries to make it about God, which in my opinion sounds much like an afterthought.

It said: "13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:
Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil."

Apart from this and the beginnings of the Book, this book gets an A+ from me.[/b]

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 10:31am On Aug 29, 2016*

[b]AN ABSURDITY IN THE BIBLE

Genesis 11:1-9 NKJV
1 Now the whole earth had one language and one speech.
2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar, and they dwelt there.
3 Then they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They had brick for stone, and they had asphalt for mortar.
4 And they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.”
5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built.
6 And the Lord said, “Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them.
7 Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.”
8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city.
9 Therefore its name is called Babel, because there the Lord confused the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth.

The bible contains many instances of absurdities but the Towel of Babel story is my personal favourite

In the biblical account of it, it started abruptly as is usual with most of the Genesis stories, without any idea who was telling the story, no situation in time, and no context in which to place the events surrounding the story. If I say this is another written oral folklore now, some people will get annoyed. Anyway, moving on...

Why this story always make me laugh is two fold.

1) It says that Humans of that era decided to build a tower that will reach Heaven using Bricks and Asphalt! Apparently, people of that era thought that Heaven was just up there in the clouds and that a building made of only bricks could reach it. LOL!

2) Even more ridiculous is the fact that God saw their efforts and instead of ROTHFL(Rolling On The Heaven Floor Laughing), He(?) actually became concerned and decided to “Come down and see.”

Take a moment to digest that…

God came down to see the city.

And what did he do next? He now said “Come, let us go...(who’s Us?)”

E sah, it apyars God was talking to other gods in verse 7 o!

Anyway, They went down and confused the language of the people so that they wouldn't build a city reaching heaven. Oh well, I'm sure since then Humans have never attempted to go beyond the skies again. God wouldn't allow that....

Oh wait!

Seriously though, as a historical account of anything, this story is all shades of ridiculous. An omnipotent god wouldn't be so ‘un-omnipotent’, petty and insecure that he would have to “Come down and see….” Eeeeish!

Besides, if you try to put this story in a chronological context, you would see that in Chapter 10 of Genesis, there was already an account of people speaking different languages. This story then would not even make sense as an explanation for why humans have diverse languages.

The only way this story can make sense is if it is admitted that it was just a copied folktale that was just inserted randomly into the bible and only serves to give an account of Jewish Traditions.

This explanation fits in well because a variation of this story appears in the Jewish Tanakh and also in other ancient manuscripts of that era. Clearly, it was a folk story from the culture of that era much like the ones we have here of how the Tortoise broke his back.[/b]

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 8:55pm On Aug 27, 2016

These guys are just wicked. They even forcefully took over the official vehicle from his wife. This is no way to treat a national coach.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 9:13am On Aug 27, 2016

TheGoodJoe:

Amazing goal from an amazing technique. Very impressive from the Kolanut Boy, Chisome Chikatara.

Please share a link.

Sports › Re: The Golden Age Of Nigerian Athletics - Videos, Pictures And Memories. by joseph1013: 4:24pm On Aug 26, 2016

Some of the stuff I was reading about the Olympics and Nigeria's exploits in the golden years and spoke with you about yesterday, pastoraio.

The current situation makes my heart bleed.

spacyzuma, you may be interested in this.

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 10:05am On Aug 26, 2016

[b]

A Typical Day in Nigeria
by Anugba Chikwendu Hillary

So I went to the Mountain of Fire Church which has become a public nuisance in my neighborhood and complained. A lot of people supposed I was on a foolish mission. The pastor would have presumed I suffer some form of mental illness when I met him.

'Why are you fighting God?' another man standing by the pastor asked me.

"I suppose the church program is for your church members who are already seated in your church?', I continued, ignoring the intruding fellow.

"Don't worry, tomorrow we will reposition the speakers so they will face another direction" the pastor said.

"But you wouldn't have solved the problem. Some other persons would be made to suffer more. Why not pull down these speakers entirely?" I suggested.

"No my friend", he said.

"Then I am left with no choice but to go to the police". A look of bemusement played on their faces when I left. I headed straight to a police station in our neighborhood and met two female sergeants at the counter. I carefully narrated my ordeal with the noise of the Mountain of Fire Church.

" Are you a Muslim?" the fair complexioned officer asked me.

"What has that got to do with the complain I brought" I queried her.

"Who are you?" She queried, but recoiled after I'd told her.

"But you can be joining them in their programs" she advised. I struggled to mask my anger.

"Is breach of public peace no more an offence in Nigeria? Do you realize that people have health challenges and this noise isn't what they need? Do you realize people need to rest in peace after the day's work? Do you know that Lagos State government is sealing churches because of noise pollution? I think I will report this to the State command headquarters since you don't want to take my case and act on it."

"Can you come tomorrow so I can invite the pastor and tell him what you said?" I couldn't believe my ears.

"Can't you hear the noise even from this station? Can you imagine what those living closer to the church face?"

"Oga please drop your phone number, name and address. We will call you and tell you when to come tomorrow", she said apologetically.

From her approach, I know she isn't willing and may not address my report. But I will be forced to take a step further when I return from my leave.

If this is what it means to fight God, then I accept the duel.

[/b]

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 1:34pm On Aug 25, 2016

PastorAIO:
In the process of writing the last post I found a webpage with quotes of Napoleon, some of which you'll like.

“Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet. Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.”
― Napoléon Bonaparte

“History is a set of lies agreed upon.”
― Napoléon Bonaparte

“A leader is a dealer in hope.”
― Napoléon Bonaparte

“Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, and I have founded empires. But on what did we rest the creations of our genius? Upon force. Jesus Christ founded his empire upon love; and at this hour millions of men would die for him.”
― Napoléon Bonaparte

“You don't reason with intellectuals. You shoot them.”
― Napoléon Bonaparte, Napoleon's Memoirs

“A woman laughing is a woman conquered.”
― Napoléon Bonaparte, In the Words of Napoleon: A Collection of Quotations of Napoleon Bonaparte

“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”
― Napoléon Bonaparte

https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/210910.Napol_on_Bonaparte

Some of these quotes are quite witty.

Napoleon is lucky he wasn't born in the era of Genghis Khan, the terror.

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 1:08pm On Aug 25, 2016*

PastorAIO:
Haba! But sometimes you've just got to admit that 'luck' plays a big part in many successes. This is a fact recognised by many successful people.

There is something called the Napoleon test. Apparently he wasn't much interested in how qualified a general was or how clever he was, he would first check to see if the guy has been lucky in his life.

http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/812087-i-know-he-s-a-good-general-but-is-he-lucky

[b]There is absolutely no questions about that. Luck has played a great role in the life of every successful person.

During the Olympics, I was reading about Sprints and the winners. I learnt that genes play a great role. Countries whose indigenes are of West African origins are the only ones that can compete well in the 100m, 200m and 400m dashes. Those ones have won the genetic lottery. Those countries are LUCKY.

As you can see, a country like Nigeria is there. In fact, in our golden years, we regularly feature in the finals of those dashes.

The difference right now is how much we have exalted mediocrity to the detriment of hard work. I saw the Minister of Sport calling for Nigerians to pray for the athletes to succeed. Athletes he made no provisions for. Athletes that had to go online begging for funds to travel to Rio. He asked that we ask that God favours us and grant us victory. How absurd! Jamaica is lucky yet it has a national program centered around athletics in its secondary schools. People would be dazed at how much the government spend on those programmes.

In summary, people who are consistently successful don't rely on luck. They are known for strategies bordering on hardwork. The more hardwork, the more luck.

This 'luck' and 'hope' mentality is seen in all spheres of our national life. Merit has been subdued, it's all about favour, which is another word for Grace, which is another word for Luck. [/b]

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 11:44am On Aug 25, 2016

THE EXALTATION OF MEDIOCRITY

"What else can I do to prove I am the greatest? I'm trying to be one of the greatest...

"I have made the sport exciting, I have made people want to see the sport. I have put the sport on a different level." ~ Usain Bolt.

This is not pride. This is not arrogance. This is honesty. This is self-confidence. This is him telling you that only YOU are responsible for your success and failure.

Contrast the above to the average Nigerian mediocre response:

"My brother, it's God ooo. In fact, I don't even know how the thing take happen. Na only God's grace ooo".

This is not humility. It is exaltation of mediocrity.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 6:56am On Aug 25, 2016

BascoVanVeli:
Seriously sad news, Iheanacho had to be carted off tonight after going down unoppossed. Hope it is not that bad.

It was a very scary sight. I first thought he had a heart attack with his movement and how the Romanian tried a mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.

Glad it's not as serious...but I think it's a hamstring. Gutted!

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 8:42am On Aug 24, 2016*

CHARLOE:
First, let me say am a truth seeker, I research/analyse without bias, fear or favour. Its like ur mind is closed/made up n ur disgust/hatred towards religion gets in ur way of unbiased analysis. I implored u to ignore religion for d sake of our discourse but u cldnt help but bring it in, am not here to win argument but to learn.

This was one of your first statements:

I've learnt a lot from atheists on nl, but just can't understand y u prefer throwing out d baby & d bbath water, even wen its obvious there's a baby in d bath water.

I can argue that you are the one with the closed mind. You believe there is an intelligent designer. You didn't provide evidence.

I stated u shld assume d creator is not perfect cos I no u wld 1 2 harp on a perfect god making imperfect things. Who told u he/she/it is perfect? Same religious books filled wit lies n half truths.

Who told you the creator is not perfect? Can I see some evidence?

Can u 4get d bible, quoran n any religious book n whatever dey say for a moment n look around u, observe ur body, nature; can u sincerely say there's no intelligent design n order in nature?

No...nature does not suggest an intelligent designer. Those who say it have yet to provide evidence. We know that evolution is responsible for a great deal of what we see in nature. We have a great deal of knowledge about the formation of rocks, seas, land, clouds etc. They do not suggest intelligent design. If you say they do, please provide evidence. The human body is the ultimate proof of an unintelligent design.

I said man has not bin able to, n u say am wrong n went on to say man cld in future, so hw am I wrong?

That is the wrong coinage...you cannot infer that Man has not been able to do what he is actively in the process of doing. At best, you should say we are moving close to doing. An uninitiated mind would infer that we have tried and failed and have given up. This is clearly not the case.

Did d scientists make/create d cell dat was cloned? Did they put d genes n all d components of d cell in it? Cloning is not creation, its building on an intelligent design. Call me when scientists develop a cell from scratch.

Keep a close eye on a guy called Craig Venter. He is on the leading edge of artificial genomics research. He has already created an artificial genome that worked quite happily inside a natural cell. Like I said, you are impatient.

Am sure u get d point i was trying to make wit d car.

I have told you that your analogy is flawed. If anyone asks how a car came to being, we can point it to him/her. Can you point me the designer of the human body? We know Evolution is responsible for our development. We know that for a FACT.

I've bin a xtian all my life but don't c myself as 1 anymore, am more of an agnostic theist or whichever way u 1 2 describe me, but def not atheist, ur argument against intelligent design n order is very weak n flawed.

I'm really not interested in labels at this point. There are atheists who don't agree with evolution. That's their business. It's like saying Nigeria is not a country in Africa. Saying the argument is weak and flawed is merely your opinion. The proof for evolution is more than the proof for the cell theory or germ theory. I don't see theists try to argue about those two theories.

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Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 7:26am On Aug 24, 2016

goldfish80:
Greizman is a great player, a great talent,a proper world class player. But he is not yet a legend. I think you're having problems separating the two key words here, Great /legend at least going by your last paragraph.
There is a clear difference between the two words in the context we are throwing them around here bro.

You're the one mixing it up. You are the one confusing good for great. Perhaps it's just because your standards are ridiculously low.

Ibrahimovic is a great player, he is also a legend. Thierry Henry was a great player...he is also a legend. Suarez is a great player...he is not a legend YET. See the difference?

Griezman is good...not great. Stop throwing it around anyhow.

Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 7:11am On Aug 24, 2016

[b]DID MOSES WRITE THE PENTATEUCH?

The Pentateuch is the first five (5) books of the bible comprising Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy. It is popularly attributed to Moses as the author of them all but today I'd show how Moses couldn't have possibly been the author of those books and why a book that has an unknown author can't possibly lay claim to being divinely inspired.

First of all, it is known among Scholars, Historians and Religious apologists that the writers of the Pentateuch were unknown and were at least 4 different people nicknamed the Jahwist, the Elohist, the Deuteronomist, and the Priestly source and that the books were compiled over many centuries. But, even though many christians would want to disregard this and still hold on to their belief that Moses wrote those books, I'll show from the bible itself that Moses could not have written them.

First, the style of writing. Almost all the references concerning Moses were always in the third person. It's either “And the Lord spake unto Moses” or “Moses spoke to the people” “or the people spoke to Moses…”

Contrast that with the letters of Paul to all the people he wrote to and how he addressed them. Also, nowhere in all the five books did Moses actually claim to have written the words contained in the books.

The argument can be made that Moses could have written it himself in the third person as some writers do. Although that is a valid argument, it is not enough to establish with any certainty that it was so. It is merely a logical speculation and speculation alone is insufficient to establish the authorship of a supposedly divine work.

In Numbers 12:3, it said “Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.”

Now, there's no way Moses as an author will call himself the humblest man in the world. The mere mention of that fact disproves the idea that he was humble. No humble man says he's the humblest man in whole world. It's either he isn't humble or someone else wrote it.

Another example is Deut. 34:5 “So Moses the servant of the Lord died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of the Lord. 6 And He buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, opposite Beth Peor; but no one knows his grave to this day.”

The last line of verse 6 actually says “no one knows his grave to this day” this can only mean that this was written long after Moses had died. It's like saying no one to this day knows the grave of Nnamdi Azikiwe. Azikiwe himself can't write about his own death and that no one can find his grave up until today.

There are numerous examples I could give from the books themselves to show that these works could not have been written by Moses but I think these 2 examples can do.

Now, why is this important?

It is important because these passages supposedly contain direct messages from God and if what we are left with are reported accounts of things that may or may not happened many years after the fact, how then are we to say that they are true?

Who wrote down these things? How do we know such a man called Moses ever walked the earth and actually did or said those things that were attributed to him? How do we know this anonymous narrator of the life of Moses didn't simply make up these stories? For example, there's no evidence of the Red Sea crossing anywhere in history. What else was made up to make the Hebrews look good?

The book of Genesis actually reads like a written down version of long held Oral traditions. It begins abruptly “In the beginning…” which in today's vocabulary will sound like “once upon a time…” it had no narrator, no identification of the author and certainly no indication that this was even a divinely inspired narrative. How is this different from the Yoruba creation mythology?

I could do this for many other Old Testament books, even the New Testament Gospels. They all bear the marks of anonymous, unknown authors. Sometimes more than one, like the book of Psalms and Isaiah. Right there inside these books are enough evidence that these are nothing more than written down Jewish Traditions.

Again, as a divinely inspired book, the bible doesn't come close BUT as literature, it gives great insight into Ancient Jewish Culture.[/b]

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 7:09am On Aug 24, 2016

stephenmorris:
pls the day you are done with nairaland don't ever deactivate your account we will need it for future reference and inspiration to upcoming freethinkers

I promise...when I get tired of this place...

Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 7:06am On Aug 24, 2016

goldfish80:
At 26 you want greizman to compare with guys that played into their late 30's, isn't that's a bit ridiculous?
When am talking about him being a great player, am talking about players playing active football.

And YES, he is better than Kun Aguero. When Aguero gets nominated for the Uefa team of the year and gets a shot at winning the Balloon dor then we can have an argument on Aguero being better.

And the bolded is exactly is my point. At this stage, he is not fit to tie the laces of the shoes of Ronaldo, the Phenomenon, nor look into the face of the mercurial Zidane. At the moment, he is a good player, not a great player. When he is well into his 30s, we can compare notes.

Stop disrespecting the word, 'Great'. It's reserved for proper legends. SMH

Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 4:24am On Aug 24, 2016

BascoVanVeli:
No u guys both have it wrong u can't compare Ibra and Iniesta they are like apples and oranges. They both can never do what the other does.

While a like for like comparison is foolishness, I believe you can compare their overall play and see who has had more impact. Buffon and Obafemi Martins do not play in the same position, but it's visible to the blind that Buffon has made a greater impact on the game.

Therefore for a man to say Iniesta, who led Spain to dominate Europe and the World, and was a very pivot engine of the all-conquering Barcelona team, is inferior to Zlatan is travesty. I can't continue that kind of ridiculous discussion.

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Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 4:18am On Aug 24, 2016

goldfish80:
This is a guy who has worked his way up the ladder. From being rejected earlier in his career because of height disadvantage to turning out world class performance over the past 4season (from his Sociedad days).
At Sociedad, himself and Vela embarrassed alot of teams in the la liga. You think Athletico will buy a one season wonder to replace Falcao?

For just any good striker or average striker to flourish in Simeone's ultra defensive model of football is quite a statement.

Keane and Vardy will never get to win Euro best player and top scorer in their careers. Naming him in the same brackets with players who he is light years ahead is the most ridiculous thing I have heard on this thread. Slightly a bit below "
Sadiq the new Kanu "

You don't go around making statements like these,nobody will take you serious.

You're trying too hard to be funny. If I don't think Aguero is great, wtf is Griezman. You lots use the word 'great' anyhow.

Let me give you samples of great players in the game. Ronaldo, the Phenomenon, is great. Henry Thierry is great. Raul Gonzalez is great, Del Piero is great. Buffon is great. Pirlo is great. Roberto Carlos is great. Kanu Nwankwo is great.

Show me how Griezman got on that list.

Your standard indeed is quite low. I should have known from the moment you said Griezman is better than Aguero.

Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 8:03pm On Aug 23, 2016

goldfish80:
I wonder in which parallel universe Griezman is an average striker. As I type his now, he is within the top 3 best players around now.. Best player at the Euros and top scorer. Made the champions league team of the year. Definitely within a shout of the balon d or. If he is an average striker with the type of year he has had, then really we have to redefine the word "average" .. Lol lol

One or two seasons of wonders does not a great player make, else Vardy and Kane would be great players. 'Great' has been roundly overused.

May be not average, may be good. Not great!

Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 4:03pm On Aug 23, 2016

TheGoodJoe:

My Lawd. Iniesta. Better than Ibrahimovic. You think it is beans when Barcelona spent 40 million Euros plus Eto for Ibrahimovic. He is up there with CR7 and Messi. Those two are ahead of him when you compare the impact on their careers. Ibrahimovic follows.

Just Google his best goals and see magic. Ibrahimovic is good like test.

This is where the discussion will end. I cannot continue with someone who thinks Iniesta's overall play is inferior to that of Zlatan. I cannot! I just can't.

Bye sir!

Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 4:01pm On Aug 23, 2016

TheGoodJoe:

I did not talk of his awards. I said, how many times has he been in the top three. How many times did he make the FIFA Ballon D'or top three list? I do not remember. Based on that, people will not put him in the same bracket of Messi and CR7. However, he is and had been as consistent as them.

You're the first person who I see mentions Zlatan in the same breath as Messi and Ronaldo. You are comparing them with him? Are you joking? Joking sturvs?

Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 3:55pm On Aug 23, 2016

TheGoodJoe:

I did not talk of his awards. I said, how many times has he been in the top three. How many times did he make the FIFA Ballon D'or top three list? I do not remember. Based on that, people will not put him in the same bracket of Messi and CR7. However, he is and had been as consistent as them.

The reason is simple...he is not in the top 3 players in the world.

He's not as good as Messi. He's not as good as Ronaldo. He was not as good as Iniesta. He was not as good as Ronaldinho. He was not as good as Xavi.

So what's your point?

Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 3:33pm On Aug 23, 2016

goldfish80:
Make no mistake about this, Aguero will make everyone's top 10 best strikers in this Morden era. Among this elite bracket are the barca and Madrid front 3,Griezman, lewandoski who I rate all ahead of Aguero.

However, Aguero is an incredible talent nobody in their right senses will deny that.

The modern era does not have too many great strikers. Even players you rate above Aguero like Griezman are average strikers. I even rate Aguero more than Griezman and Lewan. But at best, they are all good players, nothing great about them. Others include Higuain.

For modern great strikers, I only know about Zlatan and Suarez, and maybe Muller.

Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 3:27pm On Aug 23, 2016

TheGoodJoe:

How many times was Ibrahimovic rated as one of the top three greats of the year by FIFA? I do not remember. However, he is one of the greatest strikers in the history of the game.

Sometimes, accolades is not all that matters. Aguero is one of the few World Class strikers in the game today.

By the way, you brought in EPL team of the year.

[b]That means you don't know Zlatan. Please, please...please. Don't compare Zlatan with Kun. Ever!

Zlatan scores goals...incredible goals. And wins awards.

Take a look:
FIFA FIFPro World XI : 2013
UEFA Team of the Year: 2007, 2009 , 2013, 2014
Golden Foot: 2012
UEFA Euro Team of the Tournament : 2012
UEFA Champions League Most assists: 2012–13
UEFA Champions League Team of the Season : 2013–14
ESM Team of the Year: 2006–07, 2007–08 , 2012–13 , 2013–14
Serie A Footballer of the Year: 2008, 2009, 2011
Serie A Top Scorer: 2009, 2012
Serie A Foreign Footballer of the Year: 2005, 2008, 2009
Serie A Team of the Year: 2010–11, 2011–12
Ligue 1 Player of the Year: 2012– 13 , 2013–14, 2015–16
Ligue 1 Team of the Year: 2012–13, 2013–14, 2014–15, 2015–16
Swedish Male Athlete of the Year: 2008, 2010, 2013, 2015
UEFA Ultimate Team of the Year

Can you remind me again about Kun's records compared to this?

Ibrahimovic is one of the greatest strikers and his awards prove it. He'd have been top 3 except for the beasts of Messi and CR7.

Choose another player please. [/b]

Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 1:30pm On Aug 23, 2016

TheGoodJoe:

Paul Scholes is of the view that only Manchester City striker Sergio Aguero can slot into the first team of clubs like Real Madrid or Barcelona.

"I really don't think it's any surprise," added Scholes.

"When you think about the quality of players we have, do you think any of the players at our top clubs now would get in the Barcelona team? I very much doubt it."

"They wouldn't get in the Real Madrid team or the Bayern Munich team. Maybe Sergio Aguero is the exception."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3255256/Manchester-United-legend-Paul-Scholes-takes-swipe-Premier-League-quality-claiming-Sergio-Aguero-Real-Madrid-Bayern-Munich-squad.html

Aguero would not play in the first team at Barcelona. He is not as good as Messi, Suarez or Neymar, except he wants to get converted to the midfield.

He would struggle to play at Madrid. Ronaldo, Bale and Benzema are better than him. Remember that the Higuain who regularly benches him at the Argentine setup was sold for Benzema.

Aguero is a good player. He is not a great player.

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Sports › Re: All The News About The Olympic Eagles (U-23) HERE! by joseph1013(op): 1:26pm On Aug 23, 2016

TheGoodJoe:

Aguero has scored 105 goals in 152 games for Manchester City. You do not need awards or stats to prove he is one of the greats in the game today.

The stats speaks greatness. Not what you think.

From your point, Harry Kane is great and Aguero is not.

We know that people are great through awards. How do we know Messi is great? How do we know Ronaldo is great? How do we know THierry Henry is great? Personal awards. Unless you say that the widely-read, widely-travelled, incredibly knowledgeable football analysts and statisticians are idi.ots.

You speak about Kane. When did Kane get to the league?

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