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Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 2:38am On Sep 11, 2016*

[b] PAUL IS THE REAL VILLAIN

I belong to the Richard Carrier school of thought who think the historical Jesus never existed; that he was merely a creation of the early church, just like Moses, Abraham and Elijah. But assuming Jesus existed, I believe he is not the sort of guy that could be hugely disliked.

Anyone who has perused the biblical gospels will come to the quick realisation that Jesus was a
compassionate kind of guy in his time. I don't think he ever tried to humiliate sinners who were accountable to themselves. He got closer, rather than gave them a distance. Those whose vices had the tendency to exploit the poor and the less privileged, were rebuked many times by Jesus.

When he talked about a woman giving her widow's mite, he said it exemplified giving from the heart. That sermon had nothing to do with money and dollar denominated donations which characterise today's Christianity. You can be sure that were Jesus to exist today, he would never have been able to afford the expensive Pentecostal universities we have scattered all over the country and once old enough, would constantly preach against Pastorpreneurs of our day, just like he riled against the Pharisees, Sadducees and the Sanhedrin.

Jesus never said women are second class citizens or that they ought not speak in a congregation of the faithful. It was St. Paul, scriptures tell us, who never had direct contact with Jesus, that wrote many letters stating do's and don'ts some of which are truly shocking. The cruel injunction to slaves and to women, to submit to their masters and to their husbands, came from Paul himself. And it is interesting that throughout his illustrious career, he claimed to be speaking for a man he never met.

Apostle Paul was well schooled in Judaism which is steeped in misogyny and patriarchy....it's the reason, I can deduce, he gave all the instructions he did regarding women.

It is more likely than not, that any words spoken by Jesus, in condemnation of slavery and the subjugation of women in his time, had been purposefully deleted from historical records in order not to attract the wrath of the Roman emperor. We know for a fact that so many books were expunged from the scriptures in this manner, just look up the Biblical apocrypha on google.

Truly, I might get lynched online one day for antagonising an icon of Christianity, but my solace lies in the knowledge that virtual violence does not a martyr make. [/b]

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 10:21am On Sep 10, 2016

^^^DAMN!

Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 2:41am On Sep 10, 2016*

[b] RELIGIOUS LIBERTY 101

One of the first things I hope to teach my children is the concept of religious freedom. I want them to know that they can choose any religion they want after being exposed to the teachings of many religions. It's disheartening that a lot of adults have no idea what the concept is, and it's so evident in daily conversations with them.

What Religious Freedom means...

1) You have the right to believe in and worship anything, for example a stone.

I have the right not to believe in and/or worship anything.

2) You have the right to imagine that the Stone you worship is all powerful and performs amazing feats.

I have the right to think that what you worship is just, well, a stone.

3) You have the right to attempt telling me about your amazing Stone.

I have the right to tell you to f**k off!
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What Religious Freedom doesn’t mean...

1) You do not have the right to insist that whatever your Stone tells you to do applies to someone else other than you. In other words, keep your religion to yourself and don't constitute a nuisance to others with it.

2) You can think that your Stone is the best thing since Jollof Rice but you can't expect everyone else to think so. Therefore, it is not acceptable to harm or threaten to harm people who don't think your Stone is nothing more than a stone.

In other words, criticism of any form is not an excuse to harm people.

You don't have to like me. I don't have to like you. You just need to recognise that we can exist in a society where you don't force your beliefs on others. We can exist in a pluralistic and multi-religious society without trying to kill each other over whose Stone should dictate how everyone should behave.

That's religious liberty 101. [/b]

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 7:00pm On Sep 09, 2016

visita:
you're wrong

Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 6:59pm On Sep 09, 2016

stephenmorris:
i know who you are now ,,,naemeka agah on fb

no lie oh ,,,,,,,,,nice post though

Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 12:39pm On Sep 09, 2016

As a parent, you envy the parent of Albert Einstein, you wish your child could be the next Isaac Newton, you have this strong belief in you that your child is the next Michael Faraday or the next Archimedes but your child is registered in a school where children are taught with the fear of God, where the best student is mostly the student that recites the longest chapters of Psalms and knows more Bible verses than others, where the best student is the student with the best knowledge of Qur'an.

Go home parent, you're drunk. Your child is training to become an evangelist

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 7:39am On Sep 09, 2016

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

I am the LORD thy God, your daddy G.O and anointed pastor!

1. Thou shalt have no other gods, except daddy G.O.

2. Do not keep no graven images or likenesses, except of Jesus, Mary, Yahweh and the Saints.

3. Do not take your pastor's name in vain.

4. Remember the sabbath day, but forget other days.

5. Honour thy father and thy mother, and to thy pastor, give thy first fruit.

6. Thou shalt not kill, unless they're gay or blasphemers.

7. Thou shalt not commit adultery, except in secret.

8. Thou shall not steal, unless from the public treasury.

9. Thou shalt not bear good witness for thy neighbour, except they are of same tribe as thee.

10. Thou shalt not covet your neighbour's wife, for it is their property. I repeat, IT IS THEIR PROPERTY!!!

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 4:22pm On Sep 08, 2016

forgiveness:
The guy skip my mind.

Abeg put the guy, or else na another round of argument go ensue.

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Politics › Re: FG Not Importing GM Rice, Says Presidency by joseph1013: 2:54pm On Sep 08, 2016

tobimillar:
You need to read more and read wide

I will wager a bet that I am more read than you are about this topic.

Politics › Re: FG Not Importing GM Rice, Says Presidency by joseph1013: 2:53pm On Sep 08, 2016

InvertedHammer:
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GMO foods are bad because of the underlying health hazards not limited to cancer. The western worlds are fighting hard to ban it or the least, label it as such so that consumers can make informed decision. There are about 26 countries that have total or partial ban on GMO foods and they include: Germany, Switzerland, China, Russia, Australia, Austria, France, India, Mexico, Belgium, Italy, Poland, etc.

To prove naysayers wrong, they need guinea pigs to test it on and Africans fit the profile.

If not for mental laziness, West Africa would have been the food basket of the world considering the region and climate.
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What Western world is fighting hard to ban it? Stop chatting sh.it!

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 2:35pm On Sep 08, 2016

forgiveness:
In the defence we have a lot of options. I will list the ones I know will improve the team.

Left backs

1, Elderson Echiejile - Standard Liege - Belgium

2, Stanley Amuzie - Sampdoria - Italy

3, Kingsley Madu - Zulte Waregem - Belgium

4, Nurudeen Orelesi - Skenderbue(Albania Champions) - Albania

Why have you not included thegoodjoe's Juwon Oshaniwa?

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 10:50am On Sep 08, 2016

kingkaspa:
Finally i am here, i have read all posts and comments from page 0 to this page. You are doing a wonderful work Joseph1013.
I believe it is just a matter of time, it may take a 100 or a thousand years the monotheistic religions will be a thing of the past.

Good to have you, bro. One day at a time, we keep hope alive.

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 10:48am On Sep 08, 2016

Ubenedictus:
What is d point here? or is this simply a 'we hate catholics' thing.

[b]The Catholic church is one of the most dangerous organizations in the world. Because of its great political influence, it often gets away with heinous crimes. Here are but a few:

- Excommunicating doctors and nuns for saving lives. In 2009, a 27-year-old mom, pregnant with her fifth child, was rushed to a Phoenix hospital, St. Josephs, where her doctors said she would almost certainly die unless her pregnancy was aborted immediately. The nun in charge approved the emergency procedure, and the woman survived. The local bishop promptly excommunicated the nun. "There are some situations where the mother may in fact die along with her child. But — and this is the Catholic perspective — you can't do evil to bring about good. The end does not justify the means," said Rev. John Ehrich, the medical ethics director for the Diocese of Phoenix.

- Protecting even non-Catholic sex-offenders against child victims. In New York, a bill that would give child molestation victims more time to file charges has been blocked seven times by the Catholic hierarchy led by none other than Cardinal Dolan. Why? "We feel this is terribly unjust, we feel it singles out the church, and it would be devastating for the life of the church.” In other words, regardless of whether the abuse really happened or what the consequences were for victims, what matters is how much additional lawsuits might cost the Church.

- Using churches to organize gay haters. When the Washington State legislature approved marriage equality, Archbishop Peter Sartain jumped to the front of the pack, decreeing that Western Washington parishes under his "moral authority" should gather signatures for an anti-equality initiative.

- Lying about contraceptives to poor Africans. Of all the mortal sins committed by the men of the cloth, the most devastatingly lethal in the last 30 years has been the Catholic hierarchy’s outspoken opposition to condom use in Africa. In 2003, the president of the Vatican's Pontifical Council for the Family publicly lied about the efficacy of condoms in preventing both pregnancy and HIV: “The AIDS virus is roughly 450 times smaller than the spermatozoon. The spermatozoon can easily pass through the 'net' that is formed by the condom.” The archbishop of Nairobi told people that condoms were spreading HIV. Some priests told parishioners that condoms were impregnated with the virus.

So, do you think this is just a 'we hate catholics' thing?[/b]

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Politics › Re: FG Not Importing GM Rice, Says Presidency by joseph1013: 7:06pm On Sep 07, 2016

But what is wrong with importing GM Rice? Why is the government leading the public to believe that GMO foods are bad?

So much ignorance everywhere.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 10:37am On Sep 07, 2016

safarigirl:
lol, if you visit Twitter, you go plank people tire

Rashford plays for England U21 and scored against Norway yesterday, only for them to start again. One said "Rashford scored against Norway while Iheanacho scored against hungry African players".....please, how Norway better pass Tanzania in football?

Okay, Iheanacho was asked in an interview that how does it feel to be the best U21 footballer in the world, he now replied " I don't know, you'll have to ask Rashford"

Man U fans were ejacu-lating ontop that one, my boy dey use sense for them....play off your impact, take attention away from yourself and do big things in a low key way. I don't know if they expected him to say "it feels great".. So that haters will tag my brother "Balotelli part 2"

Let the attention stay on Rashford, let it be a source of distraction to that one, shey Martial time don finish, now na Rashford...meanwhile Kelechi go still dey collect salary, dey play ball

Cc thegoodjoe, icon4s, joseph1013, lakesidepapa

I don't think Kelechi said that. I don search tire for net. Those Man Utd fans can cook up fabu ehn.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 10:34am On Sep 07, 2016

Mickael2:
you know some people are deluded so no need arguing that. Rashford can't hold a candle to Iheanacho's talents, if Nacho had been an English man, he would be the top striker at City now because that boy is better than Aguero, he is so dynamic that you can switch formations with him without even changing any player. And the worst part is that Nigerians themselves do not even want to believe the truth, they move along with the hype

I love Kelechi as much as anyone here, but it is preposterous to say that at the moment, he is better than Aguero. No way! He is definitely better than Rashford but Aguero, abeg let's wait small.

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 2:21pm On Sep 06, 2016

[b]WHY STOP US?

I was skimming a thread earlier about Azuka's article with the title, "What If Zuckerberg Were A Nigerian Atheist?". On the thread a comment was made along the lines of Nigerian Atheists being very rude, proud and condescending to people. It commanded one of the highest 'likes' on the thread so we can assume that alot of religionists agree with that submission. Several apologists, led these days by a certain winner01, regularly say that Atheists are hateful and lack common sense. That's all well and good.

But can we at least all come to an agreement that online arguments with freethinkers do not pose a grave threat to anyone? The worst that happens is that people get butthurt or feel insulted when the beliefs and values they hold sacred have been subjected to ridicule.

Besides, if anyone is overly concerned with the presence of argumentative anti religionists, they are at liberty to unfollow the thread on nairaland, to use the block option on twitter and I am aware that some people get Facebook to pull down the accounts of those they do not agree with.

The consensus argument should be that though religion may be helpful in the lives of a great many people, it is responsible for an ordinate amount of ills in our society and must be subjected to criticism. Our newspapers are inundated with stories of Christian pastors sexually molesting underage children, and Muslim fanatics lynching people for imaginary offences.

Yet many believe that the extremists are those trying to stem the tide of intolerance and violence by advocating reason and rational thinking on social network platforms.

The con artists and crooks who have found the perfect cover in religion for their unscrupulous activities, will naturally go into extinction from the moment we all realize that "touch not my anointed" as originally intended, should work to our benefit rather than make lords and masters of a privileged minority.[/b]

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 2:04pm On Sep 06, 2016

ON MOTHER THERESA AND SAINTHOOD.

The Catholic Church decides who qualifies as a saint. I don't care much for the Catholic church.

I think they are as bad, if not worse, than other religious bodies. Ergo, if they like they can make Hitler a saint. Not my business.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 8:31am On Sep 06, 2016

forgiveness:
Bros, that money no reach to buy Land for Ikoyi not talk of flat.

In our eyes na money but the tax and the British standard of living wey go collect dat money nobi 4 here.

The kid get luck not to have chosen Porto else we no go here about am again.

[b]You're right. Consider Rooney who earns £200,000-a-week. His tax rate is 45%. So his after-tax Salary is £106,206-a-week. It's even worse in Spain, whose after-tax rate is 52%.

But the argument is that even that money is a big deal. If Kelechi is on £85,000-a-week, and his after-tax salary is £45,000-a-week, that's still some big molla.

And which is why I am left dumbfounded when footballers retire and are in penury, and I see people blaming the FA for not talking care of them. I'm always like WTH? These guys have earned in one month, the salary of a Nigerian in 50 years. Why should it be our business to take care of them when they have earned more than the salaries of our entire generation during their playing career?

PS: If you think I am exaggerating. Kelechi salary after-tax is around £45,000-a-week, that's £180,000-a-month. Using yesterday pound's exchange rate of £ = 525 naira, he is earning 94.5million a month. Let's say an average Nigerian earns 100k naira a month (which is a big lie), he will be earning 1.2million naira a year. 94.5 million divided by 1.2 gives us 78.

In other words, Kelechi is earning in a month what a Nigerian earning 100k a month would earn in 78 years. And an average Nigerian male dies at the age of 52.

I hope this puts things into perspective the next time we hear retired footballers tell us the FA is not taking care of them.[/b]

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Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 8:01am On Sep 06, 2016

NO GOD, NO PURPOSE?

Christians often ask me what is the purpose of my life without God. If I was made for a purpose, it was because my parents wanted a child to nurture (or maybe they just wanted sex--I don't know, I never asked).

Beyond that, I was not conceived for a purpose. But that doesn't mean I have no purpose in my life. I have made my own purposes--many of them. Perhaps, too many of them. Now my life is so packed, I barely have time to sleep. Just too many things to do.

But, if you think you were created to glorify a fictional god, YOU really have no purpose at all.

PS
You may be convinced that your god is real but gods remain fictional unless proven otherwise. So right now, your god should be considered fiction--just like all the others.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 4:45pm On Sep 05, 2016

TheGoodJoe:

Missed the point. Guardiola's philosophy is all about keeping the ball. Holding possession. Possession-heavy Style.

There was a report of Guardiola holding his head when Caballero clear out the ball. Guardiola wants the team to try their best to build from the back.

This is where a player like Stones who, despite criticism, kept on playing from the back. Kept on trying to dribble (Cruyff turns) Under Pressure.

In Guardiola's system, he looks brilliant and ideal. This is what justifies his price tag. It is difficult to find defenders like Stones. It is in him. Unlike most English players since Ferdinand, we have a defender who likes to hold the ball and involve in play.

As for Troost-Ekong and Balogun, I have also repeated it that they are top quality. Better than many we find in big clubs. Especially, their ball playing abilities. I hope the World gets to see them at the World Cup.

You really must believe this hype. Look at the bolded. Do you mean Stone would command that price if he was not English? Look, I believe Balogun is a better defender. I have watched the two of them, and Leon is a more rounded player. Good right back. Fantastic full back.

Guardiola only bought him because he is an English player. If he was still in Germany or Spain, Guardiola would never buy him. In any other league, he would struggle to be bought for 25million. FACT!

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 10:18am On Sep 05, 2016*

TheGoodJoe:

Oshaniwa displaced Echiejile in the National team. Oshaniwa played better than Echiejile in the National team.

So there is a possibility he can play better than Echiejile if given his fair chance to prove himself.

If he can play better, our defence will be stronger.

Oh my! That was in 2014...I repeat 2014. We are in 2016. We cannot use the performance of 2014 to invite a player in 2016.

I don't know how else to explain this to you.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 10:11am On Sep 05, 2016

TheGoodJoe:

Why I keep bringing up Mikel was that you can be good. Very good but the coaches choose not to use you. Mikel went over a season and a half without playing regularly. Sometimes, not as a Sub.

Onazi over a season.

When it comes to teams, it is not about if you have a porous defence or a strong attack. It is about, can we be stronger.

Mikel did well in the ten role from the Olympics to this Tanzania match. That does not mean it is settled. The competition has to go on and we have to continue trying to get stronger.

Mikel is doing well. His slickness is good. That does not mean we should not try to see if we will be stronger with Aluko behind the attack and Mikel in central midfield.

Our defence is not porous but can we be stronger? I believe so. If, note if Oshaniwa can make us stronger, it will be wrong of us not to try.

How can we try? By inviting him to camp. Manchester City had Adebayo, Bellamy, Tevez and Petrov.

That did not stop Mancini from signing Aguero, Dzeko, Silva and Nasri.

You keep building and not say are we porous?

The bolded makes as much sense as saying that our defence can be stronger so let's invite Ismail Yakubu, a defender who plays for Newport County A.F.C. or Magnus Okuonghae, a defender who plays for Luton Town, or Bobsam Elejiko, another defender.

Or our midfield can be better so let's invite Dickson Etuhu, Stephen Sunday, or Marvin Ogunjimi.

Or our attack can be better so let's invite Obafemi Martins, Shola Ameobi, or Victor Anichebe.

So I ask you: Is the Nigerian Super Eagles a free for all? How can we invite people except on merit?

Juwon has not played for four months now yet you want us to call him. Is the Super Eagles a rehabilitation centre?

Bro, I don't understand you.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 9:50am On Sep 05, 2016

BascoVanVeli:
I look at Musa Mohammed and i'm like "wat is the deal?" the boy is obviously a strong player, definately a european top 4 league player, and so why is he still on the bench in Turkey? I am completely baffled by the treatment of our players in Europe. Leon Balogun>John Stones but yet we get no offers, its like nobody even watched Ekong at the olympics not even Gent his club who didn't even bring him back from loan in Norway.

It's unbelievable. That's why we needed these players to have qualified for the AFCON. We need them to qualify for the World Cup. Many many scouts come to those tournaments.

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 9:33am On Sep 05, 2016

TheGoodJoe:

Yes, if there is a possibility of the player being good. In the game against Tanzania, Mikel, Onazi and Musa Mohammed did well. These were guys not long ago were made to look as if they were poor by the coaches in our club.

Unless you are saying we should have dropped Mikel when Mourinho dropped him.

You keep bringing up Mikel. For how many months did Mikel not play? Mikel was not in the first team but he was coming in as subs infrequently. It's part of match fitness.

Onazi was also coming on as subs after he was dropped from the first team.

Musa Mohammed came in to the U23 camp as a result of the porous defence of the Olympic team. He did well. Siasia wanted to take him, the club refused. He had match fitness.

I don't understand your argument. Do we have a porous defence in the Super Eagles? Juwon has not played for his club since May. He did not play the club's summer friendly games. He has not played the Scottish league games. He has not played the Europa League games. He has not even played the Scottish cup match. So on what basis should we call him? Because you like him?

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 9:22am On Sep 05, 2016

TheGoodJoe:

It is easy to love the response when the person missed the point I made and you also missed it.

How can a player who played Nov. 19 in 2014 for the Super Eagles be two years from now. It is still one year plus. Also, I am complaining of his exclusion since Sunday Oliseh. Is that still two years ago? What of Coach Siasia?

Simple, he performed well for the Super Eagles. Check if he I good. Do not play him unless he is good. If he is not good, drop him. If he is better than what we have, we are fielding a weaker team than we have.

Same goes for Sone Aluko. Try them before discarding them. We might leave players who are better for weaker ones.

For a start, Oshaniwa crosses better than Amuzie and Echiejile. We play ad we do not get good crosses to our forwards.

There is no defence why we should not try if he is better. Try.

Imagine! The last time he played for the Eagles was November 2014. That's almost two years. we are in September 2016. The last time he played for his club was May 2016, yet you want him near Super Eagles.

If we invite Aluko, it is justified. Aluko is playing REGULARLY for his club. You cannot even compare the two of them. I repeat: Let Juwon go another club and prove himself before we invite him. Is that asking for too much?

Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 9:18am On Sep 05, 2016

TheGoodJoe:

Onazi was not playing for Super Eagles, almost a who season and was still called up by the Super Eagles. He was not making progress at his club. How does that not hold water? I am not talking about now. I am talking about when Onazi was not playing. We continued inviting him.

When Mikel was on bench, we continued inviting him. Mikel was not making a progress at Chelsea but we continued inviting him.

Musa Mohammed is not playing for his club. He did not make progress but we invited him.

So I do not get why you want to justify the inclusion of Oshaniwa with he is not making progress.

Chidebere Nwakali proved that you can he on the bench and it seems you are not making progress. Yet, you are good.

There is no reason for Oshaniwa getting screened out from the Super Eagles. Using he is not making progress does not count when other players get called up.

So the fact that players who were not making progress at club level were called in the past means we should keep doing it.

That's why I told you that the era of calling players based on sentiments is past.

The implication of calling Juwon based on your sentiment is that we can now call up anybody and say they MAY perform in the Super Eagles. With the avalanche of talents at our disposal, is that the way we want to continue running our football? There is nothing extra special about Oshaniwa.

Christianity Etc › Re: My Thoughts And Questions About Religion by joseph1013(op): 8:33am On Sep 05, 2016

[b]"When my husband died, because he was so famous and known for not being a believer, many people would come up to me-it still sometimes happens-and ask me if Carl changed at the end and converted to a belief in an afterlife. They also frequently ask me if I think I will see him again. Carl faced his death with unflagging courage and never sought refuge in illusions. The tragedy was that we knew we would never see each other again. I don't ever expect to be reunited with Carl. But, the great thing is that when we were together, for nearly twenty years, we lived with a vivid appreciation of how brief and precious life is. We never trivialized the meaning of death by pretending it was anything other than a final parting. Every single moment that we were alive and we were together was miraculous-not miraculous in the sense of inexplicable or supernatural. We knew we were beneficiaries of chance. . . .That pure chance could be so generous and so kind. . . .That we could find each other, as Carl wrote so beautifully in Cosmos, you know, in the vastness of space and the immensity of time. . . .That we could be together for twenty years. That is something which sustains me and it’s much more meaningful. . . .The way he treated me and the way I treated him, the way we took care of each other and our family, while he lived. That is so much more important than the idea I will see him someday. I don't think I'll ever see Carl again. But I saw him. We saw each other. We found each other in the cosmos, and that was wonderful."

~Ann Druyan, wife of Carl Sagan[/b]

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 6:49am On Sep 05, 2016

TheGoodJoe:

A player can be good and get treated badly by the coach. We have seen it many times. Most recently, Musa Mohammed. The player we see play for the Nigerian Super Eagles is not the kind of player that gets dropped by the coach. It happened to Musa Mohammed. Do you say we should not have invited him?

What of Onazi and Mikel's cases? Dumped for almost a whole season. A coach change and both players became key players to their squad. Should we have dumped them?

What of Chidebere Nwakali that was screened out? Looked a useless player who could never make the team. Changes club and boom revelation. Promising.

I did not say we play Juwon Oshaniwa. I said, invite him to camp. For a player who did very well for us, not so long ago, November 2015, all that talent can not flush away.

Invite him to camp and see if he is good. If he is not, drop him. If he is good play him.

That is exactly what happened with Musa Mohammed. We judged his talent ourselves. Not based in club form or what the coaches think.

No...we cannot invite him because he has been out for a long time and he is not making progress in his club. The examples you gave do not hold water.

Musa has been around the U23 setup and was not in Rio because of his club. Siasia vouched for him and said he was excellent in camp.

Onazi is playing in his club. He's played all the club's games so far.

Mikel was in Rio and he was our best player. It only makes sense to invite him.

What is Juwon's case? He has not played for about 4 months now, so why should we invite him?

Just like Chidiebere, he should find a new club, do well in the club, only then can we invite him. We are past the era of inviting players based on sentiments. So we should invite him because he played well in 2014? That's 2 years ago!

Echiejile is not doing badly. We also have Madu and Amuzie. C'mon!

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 6:17am On Sep 05, 2016

TheGoodJoe:

This is not just a current form issue. When Juwon Oshaniwa did well under Coach Keshi, Coach Oliseh came and never called him. Since then until now. So him losing his place is not current form.

He should have been invited just as Mikel, Ambrose, Onazi, Babatunde, Musa, Echiejile, Ideye, Emenike etc have gotten invites after Coach Keshi. This is beyond a current form issue. This is a total screen out.

But now that he is out of form, why do you still want him called? We should call a player based on his performance in 2014/2015? The guy has not played any game since May 2016. Since then, his club has played 4 EUROPA LEAGUE games, 4 Scottish Premiership league games, and 1 Scottish League Cup.

Before the transfer month ended, his coach Robbie Neilson wanted him gone. He said he is looking for clubs he could sell him to.

In other words, we should leave him totally out of reckoning for the Eagles till he shows his stuff at club level.

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 8:04pm On Sep 04, 2016

I think we're getting carried away. It's Tanzania, people!

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Sports › Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2027, 2028 And 2030 World Cup by joseph1013: 7:53pm On Sep 03, 2016

Ighalo's time is up in the Eagles. He should be dropped from the first team. Iheanacho should strike.

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