₦airaland Forum

nero2face:
if the ijaws think de Igbos depend on the oil for agitating for freedom, they should remember who de igbos are...we're industrious, we're intelligent, we have oil too,..the ijaws shouldn't allow their enemies to bring in greed bw them and de Igbos...#warning

naturalman:
Nigeria may lack beautiful girls and ladies if Igbos goes....
This sound funny, but it is the simple truth....
This tribe is arguably having the highest number of beautiful ladies that makes our street glittering and sight attracting.

gohome:
You have no answer to the question? I will ask again? In the eyes of the law, How will foreigners be differentiated?

first paragraph is vague. Are you asking if aliens can challenge the rights of citizens of a country in that country? If that is your question I'd say very well so. Aliens can sue and be sued in a foreign country. Our case law is replete with such cases.

I get your position and I have made mine known too. No need for us going in circles. For what it's worth Biafra might or might not be.
Cheers.

gohome:
If the so called biafrans go without a proper exist strategy, they will lose in very harsh places. But I bet you they won't lose in Lagos.

The reason is simple. Lagos has grown past gutter reason and ethnic stupidity of most black Africans. Modern Lagos (infrastructure) is being built by a lot of capital inflow from foreign banks. And the owners of this inflow are much wiser and operate at a level higher than your gutter mentality (vindictive my ass) Lagos elites and leaders along side the inflow owners will create a very conducive environment to make money for them self and their kids. Now the issue is, can you differentiate between a Biafran and other foreign investors? Yes maybe, by calling all of them terrorist. How do you prove that? It's likely going to be impossible, because it's a lie.

Again what's specific law will say biafrans lose your properties and Chinese or Indians or Dutch or Americans don't lose.

So my brother don't kid yourself... Lagos will still have modern laws like any other country because money knows no brother and must be made.

With due respect to your point of view, all comments in red color spells each letter of marginalization.

Myriads of reasons can be preferred why a group of people should continue under a well articulated technical subjugation and suppression in all its subtle coloration, that does not make it appetizing to swallow

FGN, for fear of loss of investment is wary to invest in the east (as you opined), how about harvesting resources from the east and redistributing it to other regions? Does that spell equity? "He who goes to equity must go with clean hands"

If the causative factors of Biafra agitation is not addressed, are we to expect calm and tranquility among those ladened with yokes of subtle
denial of equity ?

Think

salford1:
I dont think any niger delta region can be annexed. They are geared towards staying with Nigeria or forming their own south-south region. If they stick with the former, then any encroachment into their lands would be met with brute force by the Nigerian armed forces.

kingzizzy:
It is you that is not paying attention. Is what you are saying that when a person is not a citizen of , or renounces their citizenship of Nigeria, they are liable to loose their pproperties in Nigeria for this? If Dangote renounces his Nigeria citizenship and adopts Cameroonian citizenship, the Nigerian Government is entitled to sieze his houses and businesses for this?

Im not a lawyer, but it is still within the rights of an independent Biafran nation to take Nigeria to for 'ownership rights' of its citizens.

As most will recall, Cameroon took Nigeria to court over ownership of the Oil rich Bakassi peninsular and won.

Lets look at a worst case scenario. Lets just assume that Biafra gets independence and Nigeria decided to have no diplomatic relation with Biafra and moves to expel all Biafrans and sieze their assets and properties. The Biafran Government is most likely to take the Nigerian Government to court over illegal aquisition of assets.

1) No international investor will ever step foot in Nigeria ever again because it will be noteworthy international news that the Nigerian Government can sieze the assets of foreigners, without compensation, just for being foreigners

2)The existing international investors are most likely to liquidate their investments and leave. Investors dont like uncertainty. When the current investors realise that they are in a country where their investments can be siezed based on citizenship, none of them will feel safe about their investments

3) The siezing of people assets and their expulsion is most likely to erode the image of Nigeria in the international community while attracting a lot of sympathy for Biafra.

4) It is quite possible that the UN might impose sanctions on Nigeria, especially if the international court rules against Nigeria

1 All eastern importers must come to clear goods from Apapa port while Port Harcourt port is concessioned to an individual northerner?

2. Nigeria would finance a coastal railway project with common wealth from federation account while Eastern rail route would be financed through a concession and the users of that route pays via tolling after contributing to coastal line financed with common wealth

3. Third mainland bridge and every other major bridges in Nigeria is financed from federation account whereas 2nd Niger bridge is concessioned.?

4. Every 2 kms along the eastern highway is marked with roadblocks by Nigerian forces who impede smooth movement of goods and services vide stop and search in a non war situation while western and other major routes are free from such?

5. No single representative from eastern block in the security council of Nigeria and that sounds right?

Mujtahida:
When I say trust me it is because I am on very solid ground. I know what I am writing about. I am not being frivolous but it doesn't matter If you do or not trust but here are some facts:I know that there was an abandoned property Commission headed by David Mark then to determine the issues relating to properties abandoned by Igbos during the war. Again I know of Ojukwu's case which In fact I cited last week when an ipob youth was erroneously claiming Yorubas confiscated Ojukwu's father's property. The case is Military Governor of Lagos State v Ojukwu NWLR 1986 pt 18. Decided by the Supreme Court of Nigeria granting Ojukwu ownership of his father's property.

In addition I do know that whenever there's a change of law, litigation follows as was the case following the enactment of the Land Use Act which altered drastically the nature of the legal status of real property in Nigeria. So if the citizenship laws change, I can safely presume that lots of litigation will follow because not many will want to let go of the fruit of their labour without a fight. Law after all is based on judicial precedent.

Finally remember that Nigeria was under the heel of the military jackboot before and immediately after the War and this factor muzzled dissent. People were afraid, very afraid. Today we are a democracy (however imperfect) so even if the laws are changed it would still be challenged. Did you hear of any secessionist outcry, even pim, during the long military era? When did Nigeria return to Democracy? 1999. When was Massob formed? 1999. Coincidence? I don't think so. Would Kanu be alive today if he had dared as much as whisper a secessionist word during the military era? No, he'd be wasted by bullets into a disgusting wet mash without even any form of trial. So always remember that times have changed.

Again I submit things are not in black and white. There are shades and angles to these issues. Cheers.

If not for the crude and even stupid way Kanu and his cohorts have gone about the agitation for Biafra, asking for Biafra does not amount to denouncing Nigeria. If he had simply said 'we want our own country based on certain socio-historical and political factors and stuck to that line', I do not think that would have amounted to denouncing Nigeria.

Secessionists movements are known all over the world- the Kurds in Turkey, the Catalans in Spain, Texans and Californians in the US. Infact I didn't know that there's a Secessionist movement in Andalusia(Spain) until Sergio Ramos wrapped himself with their flag at the just concluded champions league final. Just a quick check on Wikipedia revealed that there are 32 countries in Europe with secessionists movements with some having at least three different secessionist movements (18 in Spain alone and 14 in France). Remember that the right to self determination is a universally recognised right enshrined in the United Nations Charter and the African Charter on Human and People's Rights.
(I am not for or against Biafra. I am just stating facts and giving my own opinion as per my understanding. What I really desire is a restructuring of this nation, true federalism oo, federal fiscalism oo, resource control, whatever nomenclature we chose.)

Your second paragraph: I did say EXCEPT we change our extant laws. My major point is that these things as it stands now are not so stark as you posit. Yes one can presume that Nigeria will act in ways that safeguards her interest and even get downright punitive and vindictive. However trust me when I tell you that even when the laws are changed there will be a lot of litigation in our courts on these issues. That much I can presume.

Obtaining Governor's consent is not as hard as you make it look. I have done it for foreigners at least twice. But then maybe you speak from your own experience as these things vary. I am however aware that Lagos for example in her bid to become a global player is reforming her land laws because this are factors that go to determine the ease of doing business in a particular place.
Cheers

FX:
You didn't do Economics in school, thats why you don't know what they call short term and long term investment instruments. I consider MMM as short term. Chop and clean mouth

Deyvid123:
I wasn't talking about referendum for Igbos in diaspora, what I meant was Igbos here in Nigeria.
I only want to know how you came to the conclusion that Igbos in diaspora are against biafra. We are all here to learn.

FX:
MMM is just one out of so many investment instruments I use. I cannot depend on MMM as sole source of income. Just like Warren Buffet my mentor said, Don't ever depend on one source of income. For your info , I do cryptocurrency investment, I bought d almighty Bitcoin when it was $700 to 1BTC, today I don't need to tell you the price. I trade Nigeria Stock Exchange ( if you have bought stocks of some chip companies in the past one year you will be on serious profits now) ,Bonds, Treasury Bills, Foreign Exchange and what have you. I also do sports betting with cool dollars. I market different kinds of machines and automobiles online. MMM is just the least. This is how I earn and take care of my own family . I have all the reasons to smile and live. You are a malicious misanthropic incubus and thats why you are not happy with my success . So my class is INVESTOR'S CLASS.

He called MMM an "investment instrument"

First it is wrong to say ownership of land is placed SOLELY in the hands of the State Governments. Here's the preamble to the Land Use Act 1978 cap L5 LFN 2004 which reads in part thus: An Act to Vest all Land compromised in the territory of each State (EXCEPT LAND VESTED in the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT or its AGENCIES ) solely in the Governor of the State , who would hold such Land in trust for the people....
In order words land is vested in both the Federal and State Government. Granted the preamble used the words solely but that is in respect of state land(what is state land is defined in the provisions of the State lands acquisition laws of the various States) see Osho v Foreign Finance Corporation (1991)4NWLR pt 184 or LSPDC v Foreign Finance Corp (1986)1NWLR pt 50.We know there are federal government lands throughout the federation.

secondly as per your first paragraph I'd opine that it's not so straightforward nor is it cast in black and white as far as our EXTANT citizenship laws are concerned because once a person declares allegiance to Biafra it does not AUTOMATICALLY translate to such a person ceasing to be a Nigerian EXCEPT
1) such a person renounces his citizenship by way of declaration
2)our laws are changed to reflect your position.

I am of this view because a citizen of Nigeria includes any person born in Nigeria after independence either of WHOSE PARENTS or GRANDPARENTS belongs or BELONGED to a community indigenous to Nigeria. And that practically covers all potential Biafrans who can stake a claim to Nigerian citizenship through their parents or grandparents (particularly those either of whose parents and grandparents are deceased) and this is even more so since our laws recognise dual citizenship. These are questions and arguments that could be tested in court and judicial pronouncements made to determine their status.

Third, foreigners can and do acquire property in Nigeria without resort to proxies. Acquisition of real estate in Nigeria is regulated by the provisions of the Acquisition of lands by Aliens Act for Abuja(corresponding laws exists in all the States) and under that law aliens can acquire property in Nigeria subject to certain conditions like Governor's consent etc. However in the immediate context of a situation where Biafra is declared these laws will not apply to determine the status of property ACQUIRED when they (Biafrans) were still Nigerians and before they ceased to be Nigerians. It can only apply if after the declaration of Biafra a Biafran seeks to acquire property in Nigeria.

So in sum I'd say there are legal angles to this issue which have to be sorted out by amendments of our laws and judicial pronouncements but based on our existing laws I do not think anything in relation to this matter is automatic. Perhaps there are international treaties and conventions which Nigeria is signatory to which regulates such situations I do not know. Cheers

emmadejust:
Does it not have its international stated law for duration to repatriated any personal belonging .

bakynes:
I see Igbos making a U-turn soon, they have a lot to loose if they seccessed.

90% of Igbos are making their money outside of Igbo land. Loosing everything to Nigeria means you are starting from the scratch.

The only way to achieve Biafra that will not start from the Scratch is to adopt a diplomatic means with the Nigerian state, if not Biafra might be worse than South Sudan.

Remember all African countries got their independence and some money to start from the Colonial masters, how will you finance your new country, remember all monies with Biafrans is the Nigerian Naira except the few dollars which I bet won't be enough. That means Biafra will have to start by Borrowing heavily from the World Bank and IMF to start their new country.

GrandGarcon:
You see, you don't know what you are talking about, do you know we are talking about almost all banks in present nigeria? The money that belongs to the nigerian banks will still belong to the nigerian banks even if Biafra comes. We are not usurpers like you people, but if Nigerian government does anything funny, we will nationalize those banks.

GrandGarcon:
It is very easy to solve this problem, simply put it in control of reputable banks, as in something like mortgage, the banks will represent you, and collect their share, if any fool wants to take it then they should deal with the bank, if they do anything funny, remember they have branches in Biafra, so the Biafran government will fine them or simply nationalize the bank. It is very easy.

DoTheNeedful:
Some of you are just ignorant. Igbos are mainly traders and they have the current Nigerian space as their Market because they are citizens. If Biafra become materialized their market space will shrink by at least 70%.
I don't know how they will make their wealth back in 5 years. You will sell mainly among yourself which is like selling an ice-block to a Canadian. Your so-called wealth is made from profit you make from trading with over 170 million Nigerians.
Mind you almost all developing countries don't tolerate foreigners opening small and medium scale businesses in their countries. This area of business is what is employing millions of Igbos.
Kindly recall the trade rift Nigeria had with Ghana, Zambia and some African countries. It bordered on the small and medium scale businesses our Igbo brothers wanted to start in those countries. They refused and insisted that any foreigner must have a business that is worth at least 500,000 dollars and must employ like 10 indigenes or so.
When you call other people parasites, know that we all benefit from ourselves. The Nigerian population has benefited the Igbos more.

http://independent.ng/2014/09/association-says-ghana-will-regret-sacking-nigerian-traders-markets/

seunmsg:
Don't get it twisted at all, the day Biafra secedes legally, all Igbos living in any part of Nigeria will be doing so illegally. Government may round up all of them and throw them into prison or dump them at the Onitsha bridge depending on how the break up occurred. Nigeria's breakup will either be violent or on very hostile terms if violence is not involved. You people will be entitled to absolutely nothing once you succeed in breaking up the country. I will advice you all start selling your belongings now and relocate the ones that can be relocated to the east before it is too late. Igbos will not be allowed to own a pin in Nigeria once Biafra secedes. You cannot eat your cake and still have it.

oladeebo:
This is real conflict loading if not the 2nd civil war! Nigerian mustn't taken it for joke!
Northern youths refused to calm down, Igbo is yet to pack luggage! thing is getting out of hand gradually!
So, Baba Obasanjo, Abusalam Abubakri and other National leaders must put on their agba before it's toolate!
I don't love how Ohaneze is handing this matter, they didn't help calm down the situation!
why waiting for reconciliation before intervene, must the life and property lost first?
The Nairalander must start promote peace now!
it will be devastated if started, we must start right now!
I want the leaders of the east to speak out and condemn kanu and ipob as the Norther leaders is doing to their youths!
Peace before anything including biafra!
oladeebo in minna!

lastmessenger:
I would have love to see arewa carry out their traits but unfortunately it seems they lack the will power knowing fully well that what they are calling for is a full blown war on Igbo's.
Time have changed, the biafrans have sympathisers both home and abroad and it Wiil be very easy to gather international support for Igbo's and again south south and south west this time around will just stay neutral in the matter.so it would have been Igbo vs arewa and even the north are also divided along religious lines.no northern Christian will fight against southern Christian. In the end it will be a war that will be so difficult for the so called arewa.
Let's wait and see the event unfold. I live in the north and am already preparing my self to exit kogi state within the next few weeks.

neolboy:
A coalition of Northern Youth groups tagged, “The Kaduna Declaration”, which gave all Igbos residing in any part of North three months to relocate to their places of origin, has reversed the threat.

They had also directed northerners residing in the East to within three months relocate back to the North.

The spokesman of the group, AbdulAziz Suleiman while briefing newsmen said, “All northern civil society and pressure groups are by this declaration mandated to mobilize for sustained, coordinated campaigns at their respective State Government Houses, State Houses of Assembly, Local Government Council Secretariats and Traditional Palaces to mount pressure for steps to be taken to ensure enforcement of the directives contained herein.

“The North hereby openly calls on the authorities and other national and international stakeholders to acknowledge this declaration by taking steps to facilitate the final dissolution of this hopeless union that has never been convenient to any of the parties.

”From today, June 6, 2017, when this proclamation is signed, the North, a critical player in the Nigerian project, hereby declares that it will no longer be disposed to coexisting with the Igbos and shall take definite steps to end the partnership by pulling out of the current federal arrangement”

But in a u-turn on Wednesday, Comrade Yerima Shettima, President, Arewa Youth Consultative Forum, and Isaac Balami, Arewa Consultative Forum Congress, appealed to Nigerians not to panic.

In a video footage, Balami said the Northern groups had observed how the issue was “being discussed globally”.
He said the groups will create a platform to discuss the outrage and condemnation trailing the eviction threat.

His words: “This is not the time for us to discuss separation. We need to come together. Arewa is know for peace.

“It is obvious that the initial approach was not the best. We need to work together as a nation
“I want to tell Nigerians living at home and in diaspora that there is hope. This nation is going no where.

“Shettima here wants to assure that everything that he has done was in good faith. This is one Nigeria and we are going nowhere.”


source :http://dailypost.ng/2017/06/08/quit-notice-igbos-arewa-youths-make-u-turn-call-peace-meeting-video/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfwvp1A_QL8

FX:
Ewu ,do you know they ran some of the world best legal Ponzi schemes and escaped punishment . Do you know banks are the biggest legal Ponzi schemes. Do you know those names I mentioned own banks. All banks in the world use Peter's money to pay Paul. Thats why no bank can last forever. They will keep folding or merge with bigger banks to avoid bankruptcy. In Nigeria with their father being CBN. CBN will keep printing and borrowing banks money or else they will fold up. All the profits you hear banks declare are not real profits. They don't have the cash. They keep paying investors dividends from depositors money. How many Banks have folded up in your very eyes since you were born. The answer is uncountable. Go and ask Cecilia Ibru. Her bank Oceanic bank is a Ponzi scheme and where is the bank today and so many uncountable number of banks all over the world. If your bank is at loggerheads with the Central Bank in your country, it is just a matter of time, your bank will fold up cos you cannot stand the heat. You are a modern fool and that's why you will remain gullible till you perish cos of ignorance. Meanwhile MMM just paid me 266k in one the accounts I bought. Check the dates . Compound fool!!

Deyvid123:
there is no reason to insult anyone to get your point across.
who told you, if the Igbos in diaspora want biafra or not?
let there be a referendum and let the people decide their fate...PEACE

TruthisGOD:
I didn't quote you. Why are u running amok and jittery? Since when did seceding from a country means going with you properties? Don't Nigerians own properties outside Nigeria? Have their properties being confiscated by their host countries. You reason like an animal, reason some of you are sub human

The saddest part of your struggle is that the man Kanu asking you to secede from Nigeria is still living in his parent's house when he is not on exile in london

FX:
Do you know how many I have bought? You are a twenty-first century fool that's y u are narrow minded. You are following Forbes. Forbes is there making their money by telling u series of lies their liars told them , and you here are believing them. No rich man or woman on earth can tell you the whole truth of how he or she made the money. They will all find one business or job and tell u. Then you as a modern fool, you will believe and go follow them, then u will carry last. Rich men make money and remain rich by diversification. Go and ask Warren Buffet and Trump. They are into different kind of businesses both the ones you know and the ones you will never know till u die. Compound Ode !!!

PedroJP:
unity begger pls swerve to my left with your ranting

emmadejust:
One of my friend told me how his father friend become a very big property owner in rivers because of the Biafra war, someone who doesn't even know how money is made.
Some rivers people show some hate to Igbo like if they are once a captive to Igbo people.

Ogalanyachieze:
is this question based on current laws at least a new wont directly affect old props lets wait til den