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Wuoche:
As of 2016 Kenya had 33,000 Primary Schools.

With twice our population, you only have 3000 more primary schools than us?

exactly what i was talking about..... despotic

despotic nation indeed

one where churches can collect money freely without being taxed nor being mandated to provide service to the communities they operate in.

Land is own by traditional authorities and Families

Together they own 90% of lands in Ghana.
my family land from my father side is 17,000 hectares and my mother side has 11,000 hectares,

Are kings not Ghanaians?
your head is really racing

keep racing

rvp2018:
Traditional authorities.
Communist nation indeed.
So land is not owned by Ghanians...it owned by traditional kings.
Then school is owned and run by churches.
Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Kenya is totally different.
Kenya is freehold - everyone own a title to their land.
Public school are PUBLIC.

rvp2018:
So you're basically a colony of churches. In kenya - churches got land - those days you could say huge land - but look at this - kenya were 6M in 1960s - now 50m - if we depended on land churches got in 1960s - we would be doing double track nonsense - where kid come for 3 months - and go home for 3 months - because Ghana has SERIOUS LACK of education facilities.

Instead Kenya has Africa FIRST 100% primary to secondary transition.

You cannot beat that.

We don't wait for double track system - we DOUBLE THE CAPACITY of the schools.

Ghana has ended double track and schools under trees

why is kenya still running double track and schools under trees?

rvp2018:
British left you with 6-3-3 right?
Church in any serious country CANNOT be allowed to run critical sector like education.
What you're generating is criminal-cum-idiot-cum-pastor. No education is going on. Just indoctrination.
Ask any Nairobeans - and they will tell you nearly every Nigeria/Ghanian in Kenya - is part-time pastor part-time Yahoo.
Education is being able to question everything including God and Pope.

British left us with 6-4-2-3 system and we changed it to 6-3-3-4

Church in serious countries run education as a service to society, unless in kenya

What we are generating is brilliant people who go-ahead to write the constitution of Kenya and not stupid men who stand to be castrated.

Ghanaians in Kenya run the judicial system and Teach you kids to gain knowledge.

Education is when you can finally ask the church what they use the collection and other monies for.
If your church is not using it to provide service, you are stupid and uneducated

That effectively make 90% of kenyans stupid and uneducated

rvp2018:
Try chant this GHANA BEYOND AID.
No country can develop on your laughable model.
Church cannot be allowed to drive gov agenda...because their objective is totally different.

Kenya go to church, they tithe very well, kenyans like mission schools, they charge expensive fees, but we are secular nation.

Kenya is indeed a modern state. Church, military, etc - are not allowed in public sector - in any form.

TRY CHANTING, KENYA NEED NO MORE AID
KENYA CAN NOW FEED ITSELF.



No country should be robbed by it Church like it happens in Kenya
Despotic people

If that was happening in Ghana, the church member will riot.

The church should be developmental as long as they are using public service and not paying tax.
The church should provide service to the general public when they are not paying tax.

Ghana is a secular state and there is complete separation between church and state.

If the church does not provide public service, it need to be taxed heavily

rvp2018:
Public schools in kenya are run by parents.
Parents appoint a school board - BoM - Board of Management - with chairman now required to be the graduate.
The secretary is the school principal.
Gov deploy and manages teachers, textbook, equipment's and works.
BOM - are responsible for managing the school infrastructure. They can decide to fund raise or seek funding from gov.
These are PUBIC school.

Private schools include mission, academies, grammar schools, international schools. They receive ZERO gov funding or help or teachers or anything. Parents pay expensive fees for that reason.

Public schools in Ghana is run by the GES and PTA solely or the Church, GES and PTA in mission schools.

Here The GES appoint a principal and the person is always a graduate. In mission schools, the church must accept the person Islamic leader must accept the person.

Student leaders are appointed by students, PTA leaders are appointed and teacher leaders are appointed to for the governing council.
Private schools receive zero gov;t funding

anymore you want to add?

rvp2018:
Can a muslim be admitted to catholic school and be allowed to pray in a mosque?
It appears that you've allowed churches to use public resources to spread their religion.
What you describe is basically public school - why you want to call it mission or catholic is beyond me.

There are tons of Muslims in catholic schools and tons of Christians in Muslims schools.

At the secondary level, placement into schools are done by a computer selection system.
Muslims do their prayers and are allowed to freely do it and Christians attend their church freely


No church use public resource to spread their religion

rvp2018:
First let get proper stats. Kenya public primary schools are 27,000 last I checked. Private schools are in excess of 10,000.
Secondly where does the church get all that land.

When it come to expenditure - we spend about 5B dollars on public schools

- Gov pays capitation per pupil/student
- Gov pays teachers
- Gov buys equipment, textbooks, etc
- Now Gov also build schools.

Private schools including missions schools- are just outside - any gov - radar.

We are BEYOND AID - like your president clearly shown in the picture.

The church buys it land from traditional authorities

How can you be beyond aid when you are waiting for the next food aid from unicef, turkey and china?


but i digress


The Ghanaian gov't provide feeding, pays capitation grants, text and exercise books, exams fees, build schools and provide equipment, pay teachers and pay for the upgrade in teacher knowledge.
Except in international schools

rvp2018:
lol charismatic Ghana. Then word - cutting sod . Most catholics schools will take instruction from Rome - or if you like the little vatican inside Rome.

No catholic school take instructions from Rome

The Vatican does not build school let alone control one.



its fun to see how dumb education in Kenya made you

rvp2018:
Why would you tax churches? We don't tax churches. But we don't allow them to get into gov. Kenya is a secular nation. The freedom of religion ends there.

Kenya gov has changed education system from British system like Ghana to Canada system 8-4-4 - and now we are into Competence Based Learning - and if we were waiting for Pope to agree - we would be like you. If we decide to teach sex education - we don't wait for Pope.

Functionally illiterates folks.

we dont tax Churches as long as they use their monies to carry out development to the benefit of the general public.
Churches deserve to be taxed if they are not providing public service. You are asking why should churches be tax, are churches not money making business?

a church getting into gov't is new to me, elaborate more ...

No wonder y'all are stupid in kenya.
Ghana run a 6 - 3 - 3 system.

The curriculum is provided by the GES and sex education has been taught in Ghana since schools began.

who is this pope you keep referring to and what has he got to do with education?

rvp2018:
We know what mission school in kenya are. We have them. Kenya is 90% christian nation. But we will never allow them to be anything 70% - they are not even 5% of our education system.

The fact that the church is developmental in Ghana shows how development minded we are as a people.

While your Kenya is 90% Christian, all the church money is funnel through private pockets

Here, Church collections and donations develop communities they are in.

rvp2018:
The church has 30K primary school producing idiots like you - who probably spend a lot of time gramming bibical verse and chanting Jesus Jesus like Nigerians - than studying.

No wonder you're as obtuse as Somali who went to Madrassa...and spent all the time studying Koran ...instead of basic critical thinking.

Or like Nigerians - where someone is a criminal and a strong christian at the same time . I bet Ghanaians are the same - Church is basically all you know - you went to church school - all your life.

Kenya gov control the schools, the curriculum and everything.

Church in kenya are left to run their private affairs including preaching.

I said 30,000 primary schools, majority of which are private schools and followed by public schools.

Keep dreaming, you think we are dysfunctional like your nations where people run the street screaming Jesus because of a cloud...

Gov't control the schools and curriculum here too, make another point.

In all schools, morning assemble is compulsory on Mondays and any other day of the week.

rvp2018:
I really doubt that there is an automatic system in place that decided that.
I also doubt that church has land everywhere.

Now the double track thing make sense - because you clearly lack education facilities - you're at the mercy of churches.

In Kenya - if 10 parents meet and decide - they are far off from nearest school - they can build one - and gov will supply teachers.

Nowadays the gov build- in my village - they recently decided to build another primary school - we are fewer than 20 families - CDF bought the land - and County gov built the pre-primary - and the MP (CDF) has built 4 initial classes.

Obviously people from poor areas - in kenya - would rather they open a school under a tree - than wait for the pope to build them one.

There is an automatic system that shapes the future on every community.
your doubts will be yours.

I should be telling you that kenya lacks educational facilities because it has less primary schools than Ghana.
funny children

The most powerful church in Ghana is the Pentecostal and Methodist Church, is the pope their leader too.?

In Ghana, once church members decide they want a school, the Church provide land and the member starts the school project with the Church development fund. Once it becomes a serious thing the District assembly makes sure it is completed to standard.

rvp2018:
I suggest you hand over gov operation to be run from Rome.
This is debate we had in 1960s.
In kenya - missionary schools - were given a choice - decide to be private or public.
Most decided to be private.

You cannot get public funds then discriminate based on religion.

Kenya kids - muslim, christians, protestants - are allowed admission to any public school.

Missionary schools and hospital in kenya are totally private.

which rome?

Ghanaian church are run from Ghana and not rome

The most powerful religious body in Ghana is the Ghana charismatic council, followed by Ghana catholic bishop conference, Christian council and Islamic leaders.


Missionary schools cannot discriminate because they are a missionary school.
They adhere to the constitution fully.

There are Muslims in Christian school and Christians in Muslim schools.

rvp2018:
Man - I am actually surprised - by how powerful the church is in Ghana. To be left to run public school is such power.

The church in most countries are highly powerful.

The church in Ghana is at the highest level of political decision.


That is why schools in Ghana are very powerful places.

Today those same churches have huge universities as part of the free tax regime on the church and in exchange, they keep their university feesin the range of public universities.

The church was involve in politics from the very onset of Ghana

mtisTheQubit00:
wait..so why is it called a missionary school if its not build by the church..am confused

It is called a mission school because the initiative came from the church and it members.
Gov't cant sit and watch a half baked school

In registering the school, the school have to be at a certain level of development.

So most of the infrastructure have to be provided by gov't anyway because it becomes a public school.

rvp2018:
Ghana - to help you in your quest to go Beyond AId - you need to study Kenya Harambee motto and spirit.

Harambee is our national motto. Our football team is named Harambee Star. The president office is Harambee Office.

What is harambee - Harambee is self help - pulling together - coming together - not in communist way - but community way.

After Europeans left Kenya in 60s - we began harambee - basically pulling resources - fund raising - and building schools, dispensaries and name it.

Parents meet, they decided they need a school, they start fund-raising in harambees, buy land, build schools. Nowadays this is happening less because we have funds to build public schools.

https://urbwise.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Harambee-640x360.jpg

we dont need to study anything from kenya


we have 30,000 primary schools today

By the time of 1957 we had almost 4000 schools

rvp2018:
What fair deal? Kenya parents in every village, meet, decided they need a school, they build it, and gov fund it. Nowadays we have Constitutuency Development Fund - run by the Member of Parliament - and that basically is given about 2M dollars annually - and they use it to top up parents land - schools and provide bursary for poor kids.

We don't wait for the generosity of the church.

Churches have their few schools and hospitals - but If we had depended on them - we would be like Ghana - a backwater.

Missionary schools in kenya are treated as private.

If they want to get gov teachers and funding - then they become public - have to cede authority to parents - who elect board and the church exit - they just become sponsors for religious purpose - although all religions are allowed.

Ghanain parent do not need to ask for a school before they get i.

Once the community is of a few 1000 people, they get a primary school.
Once the population is above 10,000, They get a mission school in addition
once the population grows into the 100 of thousands, they get a cluster of schools and school complexes.

The church have access to lands, once they provide land for a school project they want to start.
Their church members begin the construction with their development money and go into negotiations with gov't for support.
The district assembly help them complete their project and provide other amenities to complete the school as per GES standard.

All mission schools in Ghana are public, whether state-assisted built mission school or sole built mission schools.
Gov't end up running them while the church provide the principals who are usually selected by the church council at national level in collaboration with GES.

mtisTheQubit00:
do you confirm 70% of publics schools in Ghana are missionary schools?

probably

Mind you, being a missionary school does not mean it was built by the church solely.
In Ghana, Religious organizations play important roles in politics.

rvp2018:
Missionary school - 70%.
Indeed we need GHANA BEYOND AID and DONATION.

its a fare deal kiddo

Church built schools get run by gov;t and in exchange, gov't provide additional facilities and the churches dont get taxed

mtisTheQubit00:
ths

The roof of the school is made with this

It is called Slate roofing

Dansoman school complex

rvp2018:
Look like catholics run Ghana schools.

They dont even come in the first 3

vankelvin:
That rusty thing is the old block, I thought you have eyes?
Didn't you see the other infrastructures?

The school uses slit for it roofing

slits dont rust

mtisTheQubit00:
i see a rusty thing next to the pitch

take eye drop and clean the tars on your eyes

mtisTheQubit00:
so the school is that rusty thing behind the field

What rusty thing?

The school is what you see on the hill and the roof is not metal, for it to rust.

Part of the school is in the first pic, it basically surround the pitch

Sekondi Methodist Primary school and their new Astroturf

Just say youve run out of schools and want to post private schools, so i we will join you in it.

mtisTheQubit00:
just post your missionary school an w'll post ours

Wuoche:
You will cheat us because we are not in Ghana.

not cheating you kid

There are reasons why I've stayed away from international schools because they are all private.

The school remains public since the day it was built

mtisTheQubit:
thats what happens here...so lets start posting

Carmelvale Catholic Primary School

Except for the fact that it is a private school

Wuoche:
So you know better than the school management that said it's a private School?

I know the school personally

and it free to the public

and its not private

Wuoche:
Should we also start posting religious sponsored Schools?

if they are public schools