₦airaland Forum

vaxx:
China kettle tea .......

rvp2018:
I told you clearly that excess capacity when you're consuming 2,700mw would be something like 300Mw. You'd be happy with 3000MW. But to have 2,000MW excess capacity is beyond crazy. That is why you're spending money enough to finance half Rwanda budget on excess capacity charge - just flushing money down the toilet.

you are really dumb

here our excess capacity requirement is 1500MW

because most of out thermal plants goes on maintenance around the same time.

Ghana is not like Kenya with a meagre power consumption.

we require more than 3000MW with our current electricity demand

By 2021, Ghana electricity consumption will be 4000MW
That is how fast our industrialisation policies are taking effect

rvp2018:
We only would be worried if we're importing using forex like USD but regional trade - we are fine. We have positive trade balance with most of the African countries. Let Uganda and Tanzania do maize, eggs and etc. And we will do high-value crops.The main reason Nigeria is very poor is that you don't do basics like regional trade.Now if our trade deficit is 10B - and half it is within Africa - we are fine - and you can come get dollars in Nairobi any day.

Of course, we want to export - but haven't even scratched the domestic market in many things - and then the regional market.

You don't climb a tree from the top.

As of now - no importer in Kenya has ever lacked dollars the last 30yrs.

which high value crops?

You are spending 5 to 8 billion on food import and you are talking about 1 billion tea and flower export ?

dumb dumb

All cross border trades are done in forex

Tanzanians and Ugandans smile to the bank yearly
UNICEF and WFP goes there to buy food supplies to feed Kenya

obaaderemi:
Stop lying, you are not importing high end products but trash to fill your bellies with. Continue with your angry name calling and let me continue to hammer your bald head with facts.
Kenya is doing badly because of those trade deficits. You are doing 50- 50 trade within Africa on agricultural products while your own farmers and youths are jobless and Tanzanian and Ugandan farmers are smiling to the bank. How much more silly can you be? This is a familiar scenario in Kenya:

https://smartfarmerkenya.com/imports-why-are-local-farmers-crying/

our import data has no problem

we have reduced our import bill from 16 billion dollars to 11 billion dollars


what is a problem is Kenya import bill
it is depressing for a 5 billion export economy.

You keep shouting Kenya is the world largest tea exporter as if it is an achievement

Meanwhile, Kenya is Africa largest food insecure country just like Somalia and South Sudan.

rvp2018:
Look at your import data first. Otherwise our tea is doing well annually

enya is the WORLD'S LARGEST TEA EXPORTER.

Its share of global tea exports has SURGED from 6% in 1970 to 22% in 2017.

India's tea exports as a % of Kenya's tea exports have PLUNGED from 476% in 1970 to 56% in 2017.

In the last 47 years, Kenya’s tea exports have grown by 1,012%

https://www.statista.com/statistics/447534/import-of-goods-to-ghana/

are you even listening to yourself



power outage, blackout same same like a Turkish man will say.


This is not the only blackout
There are consistent blackouts in Kenya daily.

TayserMahri:
FYI, the blackout was caused by floods not power shortage. Check image below.

Kenyans are losing their jobs on a daily basis in the thousands, joining the already millions that are unemployed and living in slums that abound

The kshs is not stable, it is one of the reasons why the Kenyan government has found itself in a huge debt trap.

of course importing 18 billion dollars of goods from China and reselling them will give you economic growth except for the fact that it will leave
your economy poor and jobless. This is one of the reason why every election year, those hopeless jobless Kenyans kill each other and have to depend on UN intervention

rvp2018:
Obaboon,

You're talking trade deficit when you're re-exporting aeroplane parts to spain.

Anyway ignoring usual Nigeria data and talking about Kenya.

First Kenya economy is growing at 6% consistently and with currency stability - we are seeing less and less poverty, jobless.Maybe Trade Deficit is not aware of all this.

And 3rd what is Kenya importing.

1) Fuels - refined oil. We have no option.
2) Machinery and capital goods - these are machines from India and China.
3) Vehicles and related.

We are not importing food that much - we have very small deficit in a few groups. And that we fill locally.

We are the only country in Africa that is doing 50-50 trade with Africa. Most of African backwater like Nigeria are doing 95% trade outside Africa...you cannot even trade with Benin except for illegal rice.

So you see - we don't need to worry about dollars - when we are importing maize or cheap Tanzania maize. That is 50% of our trade. We do it with KSHS...which is like the gold standard for the region.

Now because we mostly importing capital goods - machinery and vehicles - and fuel - we are powering our economy,

Which obabaoon explain why KENYA IS DOING VERY well without any minerals or oil or gold or even RAIN.

I guess we have to place them all into a reeducation program
Because their intellectual capacity is fuvked up

obaaderemi:

I think the Kenyans are just here to troll and it's ridiculous the kind of things they say here. The thread was fvcked from the beginning but it reached a new low with the kind of Kenyans we have here now.
How can an educated person say trade deficits don't matter. It's why the unemployment rate in Kenya is the worst in East Africa and their debts are rising with nothing to show for it.

rvp2018:
We have a better disaster preparedness and bodies...and we have a national welfare system. Unicef and UN agencies are doing there jobs globally.

UN and UNICEF work in War thorn countries

is Kenya a war thorn country too, because that will be new to me?



How come your disaster bodies couldn't help flood victims and it had to take UNICEF ?

Youve left the management of your country to UN

Basically, Kenyans grow what they dont eat

Just like how Britain discouraged their colonies from investing in their manufacturing capacity so that Britain can supply them with manufactured goods.

Today, if you see any building in Kenya that have huge pillars and colons

It is as a result of the Cement glut of Britain in the 40s to 70s.

obaaderemi:
If you think name calling and childish insults will save you from me, think again.

Now, let me quickly teach you what you don't understand about your trade deficits.
Sane Kenyans are complaining about your ridiculous trade deficits but Obviously you are not one of those who are sane.
The trade deficits are the reason why you are mostly jobless in Kenya.
It reflects the fact that you import basic stuff you can make yourself. Your staples for example, maize and vegetable oil are imported. Your farmers are encouraged by IMF to plant tea and other cash crops while your people starve. What's wrong with growing food crops to feed your starving people? Look at what Nigeria did with rice and cassava.
Now your agriculture is suffering due to droughts and locusts. Even prices are falling for tea and demand is down.
Your tourism is suffering due to alshabab attacks. You now rely on remittances from Uganda and other countries as sources of forex and yet you claim not to have a forex problem.

I wonder how you are still surviving in Kenya. I guess the answer are the Chinese loans.
You claim to have a robust domestic market but retail and trade are struggling. Stores are closing furiously. Examples are nakumatt and uchumi. Your retail sector is worth anything from $15bn to $25bn. Even Ghana with 30m people does better.
Those deficits are the reason you are jobless. Winter is coming and you need to get your ass away from nairaland and make yourself useful. All hands in Kenya should be on deck now.

Except im not talking about system losses

Im referring to loss of generation capacity because of maintenance

Secondly I'm referring to to the fastest energy demand growth in the whole of Africa.




Ghana has not paid for excess capacity since 2018


Kenya's lack of generation capacity and dilapidated power infrastructure is what is making Kenya power run into huge debt.


WHy would Kenya be so dumb to build Pylon on watercourses such that a whole pylon collapsed ?

rvp2018:
Hobbit, these things are already worked out. I think recommended idle or excess capacity everywhere to deal with such issues is around 10% - and system losses maybe another 10% - Not 50%.

As for your politics - here is more politics.
With capacity that’s almost double the country’s peak demand needs, Ghana’s electricity utility has to pay independent producers about $450 million every year for energy that it doesn’t need or use. This adds to the sector’s liabilities, which are the biggest debt threat to a nation that seven months ago completed its 16th bailout program with the International Monetary Fund.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-08/how-having-too-much-energy-creates-a-debt-problem-for-ghana

go learn english

you will get it

mtisTheQubit00:
i did not get that bro..

mtisTheQubit:
We buy coz there is a need..Ghana doesn't need Nigerian gas for real..its only that they made a bad business decision..

Ghana need a lot more Nigerian gas
Ghana buys 120 million SCF from Nigeria
Ghana buys 150 to 200 million SCF of LNG from Equatorial Guinea
and 250 million SCF LNG from Rosneft

Plus Ghana own 450 million SCF per day

when it comes to exposing the STUPIDITY of Kenya that is making more kenyans poor such that they have to live in terrible slums

keeping my silence is cowardice

For humanitarian reasons, i will have to speak

the children of Kenya have suffered for long

kikuyu1:
Srsly, sometimes you should know when to stop talking.

0.5m people being paid below living wages


that is terribly poor

Whiles you can help ingenious citizens set up local manufacturing capacity like it is done in Ghana, SA and Nigeria that reduces reliance on import
This creates a lot of quality jobs and a whole chain of economic subgroups that creates over 4 million jobs in the value chain for citizens.

Import reliance will make Kenyans poor forever
That is how Britain created your economy and it has remained so.

rvp2018:
Obaboon, I think that has been your name for over a year. I don't normally get angry for that long. Anyway moving swiftly - Kenya trade deficit is now 10B dollars plus - and we are NOT complaining. The trade deficit is a problem only if you start having forex problems like Nigeria and Ghana (more like always). It has nothing to do with jobs. Kenya jobless has everything to do with it's third-world economy - just like all the rest of Sub-Sahara Africa. You can have positive trade surplus like Nigeria by merely exporting OIl - and that will mean nearly zero employment - except in few enclaves of port harcourt. or well you can get 1.5B dollars from tea by engaging 0.5M people. Have 1.5B from tourism by engaging 0.2M people.

Those are the things that employ people. You can have robust domestic marekt - like kenya formalizing retail and trade - that start generating very good jobs - in the entire value chain - and you haven't exported anything.

obaaderemi:
You started your day by throwing insults. Guess you are still hurting.
Anyway, your trade deficits are the reason why you are mostly jobless in Kenya. Any good student of economics should know that. And it's also why your debt is proportionally high!

even a class 2 kid knows the above

This is the very reason why USA is in bitter fight with China to bring production back home.

Trade deficit will continue to keep Kenyans poor, unemployed and useless

rvp2018:
UNICEF exist everywhere including https://www.unicef.org/ghana/

As for AID - your biggest highway is a donation from US gov - the GEORGE WALKER BUSH highway - you add to include all his 3 names.

You're normally under IMF benevolences.

Ghana is HIPC - poor country to be pitied and - has had 3.5B dollars of loan FORGIVEN. Nigeria has had 18B dollar forgiven.

except in Ghana, UNICEF is not a disaster relief Authority

when we have disasters, NADMO takes care of the victims.

Your country had small floods and it was busy running to UNICEF for aid

That is how useless your country is

Ghana's biggest highway is the Tema Motorway

MCA is not a donation

Mid term budget statement are political comments in an attempt to undermine the achievements of previous governments.

In any given year from henceforth as a recommendation from the Technocrats
Ghana is expected to keep power generation surplus of 1500MW as reserve as Thermal plants makes up the majority of our generation unit.

Thermal plants require regular maintenance every 3 - 5 months, having those back ups makes us immune from any form of regular black outs like the ones that happen in Kenya.

Kenya power sector is peanut compare to Ghana

rvp2018:
What hobbit is this kind of logic? Do you just type?

And listen to you mister.

Ghana’s Finance Minister Ken Ofori-Atta set out the scale of the problem in his mid-year review budget on July 29. He said that the problem posed grave financial risks to Ghana’s economy. This is because the government is carrying legacy debt in the energy sector, which threatens to put a huge strain on its finances.
https://theconversation.com/lessons-to-be-learnt-from-ghanas-excess-electricity-shambles-121257

darfay:
Pay no attention to that arm chair economist

The Kenyans are poor and loud mouth

darfay:
It's not fair how y'all East Africans bully Kenyans

that is the degree of their madness


In the 10 years, Ivory Coast and Senegal will surpass them

Danielnino00:
Kenya economy depends o.

- Tea
- Flower
- Foreign aid


. But some delusional fellow think they are on track to overtake South Africa and Nigeria in the next 20 years

name any NGO and you will find them in Kenya.

UNICEF is their disaster relief organization.

that is not a serious country

wizzzmike:
Do you know NGO's visit and support Kenya than any other country in Africa damn more than Somalia lol

demand is the reason why we have to create enough excess capacity

Ain't my fault that your country is so poor and has utility companies so bankrupt

I guess you didn't get to the end the report where what you were looking for is

kikuyu1:
You forced me to waste 15 mns of my life revealing your lies!



As the MVP said!

Demand vs Supply of Electricity



I highly doubt that higher figure-your stats don't show anything near that figure even if we account for your rebasing.
Don't throw our figures like a child! Dusty nigga!

Exactly

Kenyatta has no way of staying away from borrowing

obaaderemi:
If Kenyans were serious human beings they would know they are in trouble economically. How can you have trade deficit every year? It means their economy is not competitive at all and it explains why their debt keeps climbing.

mtisTheQubit:
@Just30 bring ya ass here nigga...yve been yapping about the colony all day..its time we had chat with you son

If you want my, You will need to tell me how on earth Kenya Power has been making losses for 16 years and counting


Zombie

opinions are like noses

everyone has one

mtisTheQubit:
i will not even go further..i'll compare Naija with the colony..
yap niggas just think ya meek an stuff the gy said you use trees an hawkers for direction ..lol

After searching this pic metadata

it is not even of Ghana

crazy backward Kenyan kid you so badly want Ghana to be a shithole like your country

mtisTheQubit:
like i said lie to your fellow Ghananians man...no one buying your crap...anyway somewhere in the colony..enjoying water an electricity..

mtisTheQubit:
Yet your president dont agree with your opinion..actually, he presents old Kenya as new Ghana..your social engineering diploma ain't working man

combe back when you have made your country half as better as Ghana

Need we show you the PPP again?

mtisTheQubit:
dude you cant compare...ya one of poorly paid niggas in africa...

mtisTheQubit:
dude which progress ..show us please

30 Million Ghanaian consume more electricity than 53 million Kenyans



30 million Ghanaian consume more water per annum than 53 million Kenyans
(Basically, you guys dont bath)

need i continue ?

obaaderemi:
They have trade deficit every given year. It's sad. But that is bound to happen when all they export in a year is just $5bn.

Their trade deficit is just depressing

Any serious country will be finding productive ways to overturn that but kenya is busy borrowing to feed poor kenyans

mtisTheQubit:
Guy Kenya is not Ghana...please stop comparing..ths is just waste of time arguing with you..no facts just farts..dude give up , your sakawa social engineering is not working..

of course Kenya will never be Ghana

Kenya is South Sudan still on UNICEF donations