₦airaland Forum

gallivant:
Cocoa didn't save you from 16 IMF bailouts. Don't you wish you grew tea and flowers instead?

our bailouts are for political reason than economic ones.



hence we will go to the IMF for a thousand more time.


that is why our economy is more valuable than yours. (PPP)

that is why our country is more wealthy than yours (GDP per cap)

soon after you prove your reasons

im happy you called them your reasons

We both know you have no knowledge on the matter
so you can only give illogical reasons.


the facts are available for you

Kazikazi:
I gave u my reasons above.Can u prove your statement?

gallivant:
Indebted is better than being an IMF orphan. Imagine Ghana without oil or gold? You wouldn't even exist by now.

I will choose the IMF over having to lose part of my country to the Chinese

gallivant:
You are hopeless. Lol

a Ghanaian has more hope than all East Africans combine


for starters, Become a middle income economy first

Kazikazi:
You are talking of airlines?? Really?

Are u not the same people who called Ethiopians to help you to start an airline? Wonders wonders wonders.

we called the Ethiopians to be our partner because they run a better airline than all East Africans combine

Kazikazi:
You don't have all resources. That is a lie.
Do you have Tanzanites? Nyererenites?
Even graphites you don't have as much as Tz.

But anyway,I don't call u stupid.Trump has a name for u

we dont have to have as much as you for us to have.


sense

Kazikazi:
So funny.
You are just looking at operating costs of nuclear. But when you do a levellised costs of electricity between Gas vs coal vs hydro vs wind vs solar,you will realize nuclear isn't 15 times cheaper.Otherwise, just prove it here.

Again,costs are varying between nations.E.g,in US, nuclear is more expensive than gas.
You can't just make a blanket statement about nuclear costs for all nations.Emissions tax vary,operating costs between nations vary,price of fossils vary between nations..
But here you are shouting loud, " nuclear is 15 times cheaper than Gas"
Madness

your argument is useless


nuclear energy is cheaper in the US than gas fired plants
Dont engage is useless arguments.


the cost of a kwh electricty from gas plants ranges from 1.5 to even 3 cent
whiles nuclear is range from0.1 to 0.5 cent

which one is cheaper among the two.

gas fired plants are unreliable since they are mostly offline for maintenance

Kazikazi:
So funny.
You are just looking at operating costs of nuclear. But when you do a levellised costs of electricity between Gas vs coal vs hydro vs wind vs solar,you will realize nuclear isn't 15 times cheaper.Otherwise, just prove it here.

Again,costs are varying between nations.E.g,in US, nuclear is more expensive than gas.
You can't just make a blanket statement about nuclear costs for all nations.Emissions tax vary,operating costs between nations vary,price of fossils vary between nations..
But here you are shouting loud, " nuclear is 15 times cheaper than Gas"
Madness

your argument is between nuclear and gas

and we both know that nuclear is 15 times cheaper than gas.


whiles the initial cost of putting up a nuclear plant is prohibitive,
The running cost is way cheaper than gas power plants.

Maintenance is cheaper than gas


Power produced by a nuclear power plant is 15 times cheaper than gas-fired plants

When it started operating

your country was still a slave to your slave masters


In this age and you cant still represents Africa well like Ghana Airways did

gallivant:
It's dead as a dodo. Stop making noise.

gallivant:
Does West Africa have any national airlines? Why don't stick to drilling for oil and stop making a fool of yourself?

Even the dead Ghana airways is still better than air TZ

Likewise Kenya's

It represented Africa very well

Kazikazi:
And how much will they pay to protect them from malfunction of nuclear plants in cases of earthquake like that which destroyed a nuclear plant in Japan? How much is that insurance cover? When u consider all factors including how prepared are African nations in issues of nuclear malfunctions, u will realize nuclear is expensive for an African man

Insurance takes care of the cost






the very fact that nuclear is 15 times cheaper for the ordinary citizen to afford
makes your argument bogos.

just don't repeat it anywhere else.

How much do you think it cost when gas thermal plants goes Kaboom and create power surges everywhere even without earthquakes?

Kazikazi:
We paid cash for these machines
Have u paid cash even for one? Can u tell me how much is 11 planes? And we still purchase more.we are not having stuff on paper,but on ground and running

who else buys planes and not pay cash?


i can tell you how much your 11 planes will cost when you bring their specs here

But we both know this argument is not needed because TZ air is bankrupt hence can buy planes

rvp20182:
Countries in advanced world are decommissioning nuclear & coal plant...

be there and be deceived

those same countries are spending trillions on Nuclear fusion research and scalability

Because they understand that their energy future is Nuclear and the world is running out of fossil fuel

Kazikazi:
Am very informed.Tanzania have done research on all those power sources and we conluded that gas and hydro suits us very well.We have Tanzania atomic commission which was established way way way back before Ghana's atomic energy commission but we don't shout about it.We have tonnes and tonnes of uraniums but we decided to develop our gas and hydro first.We have tonnes and tonnes of coals,but we didn't rush into coal power plants.We have geothermal, but we didn't rush into it.
Our first priority is gas and hydro.Nuclear may be later on for back up.

You cannot develop Nuclear energy because you dont have the technical know how

period

Shma:
You are the one who is sick. Am talking of country's wealth in general, not the living standard. So who said GDP is used to ascertain the welfare of country citizens

kindly tell us how a countries wealth is measured?

Shma:
You always base your logics on HDI and GDP per capita forgetting that GDP per capita is only a determining factor of inflation rate and maybe comparing the living standards between nations, but nominal GDP is more useful when comparing national economies including wealth of a country on international level. Are we not ahead of you in nominal GDP? Anyway They didn't use GDP alone, They also based it on other indices that measure country's economy which I believe only few countries in Africa can challenge Kenya, , you got stats so no need of breaking it down for you, you can do it by yourself. Finally, pictures speaks volume. To conclude, Kenya is the fifth richest country in Africa After South Africa, Morocco, Egypt and Nigeria.

OKay shut up



you dont even know economics


why whould anyone in his right sense use nominal gdp to compare countries ?

there is a reason why PPP was introduced.


secondly, no one uses individual wealth to compare countries

Kazikazi:
You just argue!
You can choose nuclear because of prestige.But in manufacturing, nuclear power is expensive. Your products will be so expensive.Yes,nuclear is reliable so as gas.But costwise especially for an African country,nuclear is way too high.
Hydro is cheaper,but isn't reliable in case of droughts. So in engineering point of view, for an African country to compete with India,China and others,you need to use either gas or hydro.Nuclear no,may be just for standby

stop talking about things you have no knowledge of

After Hydro,
Coal and nuclear are the cheapest form of energy.

Gas thermal units are never reliable
the scheduled maintenance period are long.

Nuclear is way more cheaper for any African country to choose it.


why should Africans be paying between 1.3 - 2.5 cent per KWH for gas thermal electricity
when they can pay 0.1 cent per kwh for nuclear energy?

tylann:
and you want us to accept stats from your govt

so who else would you accept stats from


Mind you, UN, WB, IMF do not carry out their own stats collection.

Kazikazi:
You are partly true.Hydo in most cases is cheaper than gas.
But gas is more reliable than hydro.
Gas is more cheaper than nuclear or diesel or wind power
Gas is more cleaner than nuclear,coal or dieasel.

So,all in all,gas is very suitable to run factories because of reliability and of course it is somehow cheaper

kid youre crazy




Nuclear energy is 15 times cheaper than Gas thermal energy.
Nuclear energy is cleaner than gas thermal

Kazikazi:
Your problem is you are addicted to stuff written on paper but not a real stuff on ground!
FYI, not everything will be paid by TZ gov.We will do PPP in some phases like Mtwara to mbamba bay line will be done with private companies. Why are u so shocked of 14billions?
Do u know how many jets have we bought cash in recent years?
We paid cash for 11 planes,and we are still purchasing.Have u done the same with your economy on paper?

the biggest planes cost 270 million dollars

aint nothing if you've bought 11 of them
you've still dont nothing

Kazikazi:
You might think so,but the truth is Tanzania is a huge country. We don't do small projects! We don't like shouting to the roof.We talk less we much.

what are the big projects in your country that has been completed

richer than Kenya

your gdp per capita says all about your unproductive economy

Shma:
huh! Richer that who? Anyway you are right

Your moodies rating is below GH

Acadavah:
How? Just show us the ratings and stop giving blatant empty claims.

yep

vaxx1:
The China indebted colony Ghana is the same with them.

rvp20182:
Ghana and TZ have the same credit rating.

both tz and kenya are below GH

a successful country
where all it citizens are happy to call home

a country richer than kenya

Shma:
leave Kenya out of your arguments please. What is Ghana

rvp20182:
Stop lying. In the era of information age. You sound creepy when you lie and we are google away. You don't produce that much solar power and 155mw can electrify a million house - not 10k.

Ghana has to move away from thermal power - esp those that don't use natural gas

Nobody is going to an allow IMF colony to NUCLEAR POWER. Those are wet dreams.

we already have three reactors running


we were allowed to build a huge reactor waay back in the 90s

we just dont want to yet.

Acadavah:
It doesn't cost 14usd bill. The first phase of 300km which will be completed in early months of next year cost 1.2 usd bill, the second phase of 426 km cost 1.46usd bill. The remaining phases are 435 km, 220km and 371km cost 942Usd million from from place called Isaka to Kigali Rwanda which World Bank has expressed its willingness to fund it.

we all know you will have to meet certain economic conditionalities to be able to access World bank funds.

One of then is your level of production.

your economy will not be able to support that project beyond the initial 2.5 billion dollars
mere facts

That is working well because Ethiopia is building a productive economy

vaxx1:
The only successful project from east Africa regarding the railway is that of the Ethiopia - Djibouti railway . look at the amount of tonnes trading on that corridor. Ethiopia is the big force of east Africa, either they take it or live jt.

The 725km is the only one you will because able to do
That is what your economy can support.

even in the next 20 years, your economy will not be able to support a 14 billion dollars on a single project.


You will have to be more productive to be able to spend that amount on a railroad

Acadavah:
Now 726 km are in construction for 2.5 Usd billion and the total project is 1457km, the government has a railway budget of 7.5 usd billion for 5 years completion timeline not 14usd billion.

vaxx1:
They will tell you it is only on paper . which I keep laughing.....

their revenue expose them big time.. Tanzania is just big for nothing.... very unproductive....

just like Kenya

they are in the same league

yeah

another kenya sgr loss story in the making

vaxx1:
it is Tanzania bro