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Shma2023:
Ghana's debt to GDP is 104%
Kenya's debt to GDP is 67%

Kenya is not a mineral resource country.
Ghana is mineral sufficient country.

Ghana's GDP is depreciation, for starters, Ghana's GDP in 2023 is $70B, from $77B.

Decompound this information and judge for yourself.

Ghana debt is 400 billion cedis and GDP is 870 billion cedis. ( Give it to a KG kid to calculate the percentage for you).

Yes Kenya is a mineral rich country but without the know how to extract any. Education is important.

Ghana's 2023 GDP is 95 billion dollars.

Shma2023:
Overspending in what terms? Infrastructure development, subsidy initiatives, Tax reduction, or what? Because every country does that! Overstretching their work for political gains and to clog voters' mind.

Yes in infrastructure and they are mostly prudent spending.

No country does it as much as Ghana does because the political race here is just a 0.1% margin of separation.

If Kenya did that, it will be as developed as Ghana yet still badly mismanaged than Ghana can ever think of

Shma2023:
Mismanagement! Ghana and Zambia are currently in the same debt cacoon due to mismanagement. Ghana could avoid hitting 104% debt to GDP by now. Ghana is broke! They have recently gone for a whopping $3B to cater for the balance of the payment deficit.
Ghana constantly falling into economic turmoil _ for a decade and counting Notwithstanding her title "largest Gold producer in Africa" and "world's largest cocoa producer" will still remain a sixty-four thousand dollar question.

How you wish Ghana was in the horrible mess Kenya and Zambia are in at the moment due to your cycle of mismanagement.

Ghana debt currently is below 50% of it GDP ... That's what prudency looks like and I wish same for Kenya but you guys don't seem to be taking it as you keep borrowing to spend on useless stuff hence unable to pay.

popizaino:
You are in for a shocker. Wait and see

Waa see

vankelvin:
Even under sanctions they are still performing better economically than most of these US allies

Because Putin made their economy so self reliant from 2014, expecting these.

Today, the little things they choosed to rely on the west for inorder to have some kind of cooperation with them, they are building those sectors themselves.

Russia has never been as productive as they currently are now.

Obaaderemi2:
How Ghana keeps falling into economic turmoil incessantly since the 60s needs to be studied. I mean, Ghana was a rising star in the 50s and early 60s, then by the 70s millions of Ghanaians had emigrated, mostly to Nigeria. You seem to be doing very well again in the 2000s, then bust again. With all that mineral resources and a small population without much tribalism, it's amazing you are not the Taiwan of Africa.

It's the kind of politics we practice in Ghana.
Politicians are pushed to spend unwisely by voters demand hence the two parties have to out do themselves during election years. I wish they changed the election cycle from every 4 years to 10 years single term.

This will engender continuance in policy direction

We are still doing far well though

vankelvin:
It's strange how Ghana performs so well in University Basketball championship but does poorly with the National teams

University of Ghana were champions of African universities basketball tournament twice in a roll and UCC also became champions just last week but ...

It all because of financing

The sport authority is unwilling to fund other sports

vankelvin:
That's the common sense many people are refusing to use in this Russia vrs Ukraine(US+UK) war.

Human beings have refused to think for themselves hence relegating their sense of reasoning to the media and what they are told.

Mkenya2019:
Sorry where is Ghana in that document?. Yes the were whites and indians in our civil services that we choose to retain as we trained black africans. That was not in dispute.

I want to see Ghana sending civil servants to Kenya - maybe even any other Africa country.

What I know - after your country became broke and military took over - Ghanians teachers and doctors run mostly to Nigeria - and got jobs.

They were not be send by Kwame - they were refugees seeking economic and political asylum.

Majority of Ghanians ended abroad in Britain and all countries - as they sought refuge from Kwame Nkrumah mess.

You're mad

Did you download the book to read the pages which described the Africanization policy and how Kenya was in short supply and unable to pay workers because it was broke ?

Did you read the part where Nkrumah had to save your country by sending you Ghanaians whom he had to sustain on Ghana pay role until Kenyans got educated to take up roles slowly withdrawing Ghanaians from there?

vankelvin:
Most of the guys here on this platform know little or nothing about World politics. They are so brainwashed so much so that they easily get convinced by the balderdash perpetuated by the Western media.

You belittle Russia at your own perril

Who in is right sense will belittle the country that has taken down every single strong army. And for generations have defended Europe against it worse excesses.

Obaaderemi2:
Ghana really did a lot of work in enlightening Kenya. They're forever in your debt. Well done.

They don't learn

Mkenya2019:
By 1962 - you were bankrupt - and unable to pay salaries for your army - who then overthrow your gov.
IMF put you in their program - maybe first in entire world - in 1965.
You have spin the yarn that Ghana became bankrupt because of kwame helping others.
Nope - he over-leverage with Volta dam - and went burst.

Kenya in 1960s had nothing - depending mostly on British exchequer. Ghana had gold. It was richer than Kenya - twice the GDP.
Nigeria was even richer with palm oil and all agriclutural goods.

But look at you now - your GDP is now half Kenya - and you're bankrupt again.

Ghana is still richer than you today with a per Capita GDP twice yours . Your country Kenya is bankrupt and can't pay workers
This is a repeat of the 1970s in Kenya.

Take a read of this book and how Ghanaian civil servants groomed your country https://www.jstor.org/stable/43108380


Take a read from the British Government itself
https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1962/jan/26/east-africa-civil-servants

There were 8,000 civil servants paid by the UK govt in all of East Africa. These were mostly Pakistanis, Indians and other Asians.
There were only 500 Europeans in all of East Africa and 360 were in Kenya.

When you guys began rapid Africanization as envisioned by Nkrumah, you were basically broke because you didn't have the money to pay them as UK govt decided to remove those servants.
So Nkrumah sent you guys bunch of civil servants to fill the gap who will be paid by Ghana

Mkenya2019:
How? 1963 kenya become self governing in Dec. 1962 Ghana is bankrupt. 1964 Dec kenya become a republic. 1965 - Ghana military overthrow Kwame - and military dictatorship drive your country into mess until recently in 2005.

Kenya in 1960s, 70s was growing at 7% like Asian tigers. In 1980s-1990s - it went down to 4%. 2003 to now - we are growing at 6%.

So slowpoke at what point did you help Kenya? When kenya was becoming independent - you had already proven British right - by becoming bankrupt.

Kenya in 1960s was growing yet wasn't at Ghana's level as Ghana's growth was still higher than that of Kenya and Ghana was far richer and developed.
Ghana was described as the most developed country south of the Sahara baring SA.

Ghana was basically paying all those civil servants and public servants it sent to your country from 1960 until 1974 when Ghana brought all of them back home to serve.
Lunatic, your country was so broke such that it couldn't afford to pay them so Ghana had to foot the bill to keep your country afloat

Shoodboi:
The same conclusion to the point where they are saying it word for word?

I believe you did English Composition, Essay writing, and Summary in primary and secondary school. Is it possible for two people to write the exact same thing even if they are writing on the same topic and have the same opinion about it?

But here you have 40 or so tv stations saying the exact same thing and you say it wasn't scripted? Cut me some slack.

🤣😂


The possibility of that happening is almost negligible in reality but here we are with grownups no longer having editorial boards and reading from the same script they received from the 2 people who own all western media.

Shoodboi:
They write scripts and share it with themselves. Why do you think they always say the same thing? Even the so-called "unfree" Nigerian media will never agree on a topic but the free Western media will agree on the same thing.

US media is owned by 5 corporations and all 5 have the same shareholders. So how is that free?

only a myopic person would call that free.

The mess we saw in the western world during covid could have only Been predicted by George Orwell. The censorship and media controls were horrible than in any communist state in their worse of times.

I never thought I would wake up one morning to see a western govt setting up a ministry of truth and why everyone should follow the official narrative even when it is a proven Lie

Mkenya2019:
NEVER to kenya. You did to Nigeria and such countries maybe.
Maybe you did to South Africa according to the Soweto slumdog.
If you have any evidence of Ghana sending help to Kenya let us know.
By 1965 - you were a backwater military dictatorship until 2002.
When were you sending people - the judges who came to kenya were refugees escaping military rule.

Kenya we had Uganda teachers, doctors and etc who came in large number in 1970s Amin rule.
I saw couple of high school teachers myself from Uganda.
Many left in early 2000s.

Yes we did send you massive help to keep your country on it feet. You guys were poor and stupid, ignorant and ignored the importance of education.
So you weren't prepared to be an independent state, the results of which had been years and years of civil war.

Should I refresh your mind on your own post in the previous forum thanking Ghana for the teachers and nurses without which Kenya independence would have been useless? 🤣😂

Mkenya2019:
I only know of two judges hired from Ghana in 1980s - who were escaping being killed by Rawling - Akiwumi and Apolo. If you know more let me know.

Ghanian in kenyan since 1960s to date - you can count in your fingers. They are less than 10.

Maybe 3 Judges - and they are still stuck in Nairobi Kenya - unwilling to go to backwater called Ghana. Not even Koffi Anan was willing to die in Ghana . So did Kwame Nkrumah. Backwater without any functional health facilities

This is 2022.

H.E Damptey Bediako Asare, High Commissioner of the Republic of Ghana to Kenya, paid a visit to two eminent Ghanaians, Justice Akilano Molade Akiwumi and Justice Edward Nii Adja Torgbor at their Nairobi residences to extend warm wishes and compliments to them on their birthday which coincidentally fell on the same day, 22nd February 2022. Justice Akiwumi turned 95 years whiles Justice Torgbor turned 82years.

Did you gain independence in the 80s?

Dumb kid

By the 80s all the Ghanaian teachers, Nurses, Judges and engineers had left your poor ratchet country.

Ghana sent you 30 judges who became trainers of trainers.
There were 200 teachers and 300 nurses.
About 10 doctors .... Some engineers and administrators to run your country.

You guys should have taken education seriously

Shoodboi:
Free media. Watch the free media reporting the same news:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksb3KD6DfSI&pp=ygUibmV3cyByZXBvcnRlcnMgcmVhZGluZyBzYW1lIHNjcmlwdA%3D%3D

😂🤣

It is as if someone wrote the script and share it with all of them

Obaaderemi2:

🤣😂

rvp2018:
Why dont you read or listen to Russian media. I bet the headline and every story is just about how great Putin is. A primitive dictatorship cannot inspire anyone.

The western media are free, independent, and can publish anything.

Russia - and free media - are alien.

I can tell you for a fact the Russian media is more objective in their news presentation with less spin than the likes of UK and US govt control media.

rvp2018:
Try some of country slowpoke.
Kenya was a British direct colony.
We were like Zimbabwe or South Africa.
We had thousands of whites and indians who run our civil services, private sector and etc.
We decided not to chase them - but slowly replace them whenever a qualified Kenyan showed up.
Some took time. Heck our chief justices for example was mostly Non-Africa until 1990 when that Ghanian showed up after Rawling killed them.

KENYA'S CHIEF JUSTICES SINCE INDEPENDENCE
1. Sir John Ainley - 1964 - 68 - British
2. Kitili Mwendwa - 1968 - 71 - Kenyan
3. Sir James Wicks - 1971 - 82 - British
4. Sir Alfred Simpson - 1982 - 85 - British
5. Chunilal Madan - 1985 - 86 - Kenya-Indian
6. Cecil Miller - 1986 - 89 - Caribeean - British Guyana.
7. Allan Hancox - 1989 - 93 - British
8. Fred Apoloo - 1993 - 94 - Ghanian
9 - Kenyans till now.


Many other African countries hastly chased away British and French civil services - and replaced them with ill-trained Africans.

Majority of them went bankrupt and soon military coups - Ghana had a growth rate of 1-2% for most of 60s,70s, 80s and 90s. They just woke up yesterday.

Kenya in meantime was posting growth rate similar to Asian tigers - only undone by population growth.

I said Judges, I didn't say chief justices ... Dumb child

rvp2018:
Give me one example of Ghanian doctor or engineer in Kenya.

In 1980s with Jerry Rawling killing judges - 2 or 3 came to kenya seeking political asylum. They were hired as kenya law is commonwealth law.

And that is all.

You're talking as if when you became independent, almost 90% of the doctors, nurses, lawyers, judges, teachers, engineers and etc did not come from Ghana because Kenyans weren't educated at the time.

Basically, Ghanaians were running all of Kenya and Ghana was the one paying their wages until trained doctors, nurses and engineers returned from Russia.

Should I refresh your mind back to the previous forum when you were thanking Ghana for sending Kenya nurses, doctors and teachers when Kenya got independence and didn't have the man power to run a state?

rvp2018:
Ghana and Kenya different histories.
Almost all Kenya students who returned from Russia and East German with their degrees were rejected.
Their degrees were unrecognized.

Keep dreaming as if Ghana wasn't there to set up your country institutions .

The Ghanaians put at the helm of affairs of your country recruited many Engineers and Doctors whom they sent to Russia for education as the Russians were the only ones willing to educated Kenyans in the science field in the numbers that you guys required.

The US and UK were unwilling as they were still struggling with allowing black people into certain programs in the first place.

rvp2018:
You talk rubbish.
You were communist backwater being trained on nonsense in Russia and East German.
Kenya were being taken direct to IVY league.

Prof Wangari Maathia - First Women Africa Nobel Peace Laurate - was part of Kennedy Airlift Program
She studied science in the US

As a beneficiary of the Kennedy Airlift, she studied in the United States, earning a Bachelor's Degree from Mount St. Scholastica and a Master's Degree from the University of Pittsburgh. She went on to become the first woman in East and Central Africa to become a Doctor of Philosophy, receiving her Ph.D. from the University of Nairobi in Kenya.

You're just stupid

Most of Kenya first doctors, engineers and nurses were trained in Russia because no western country was willing to teach you guys science and maths.

Your students who were placed in ivy league schools went to do Arts and music.. That's how stupid the US considered you

rvp2018:
You're delusional. You may also need a shrink.

You're just stupid

You think french want their life to be anymore difficult like it currently is while the US busily make money out of the situation?

No wonder the Brits castrated you guys for your stupidity

rvp2018:
Mad cow you're making lots of nonsensical rants. Sleep.

Typical lunatic kenyan stupidity 🤣😂

You lack any understanding of how the world works

rvp2018:
Anyone trained in Russian or East German who came back to Kenya was almost considered untrained and many didnt practise.

Any mad cow - before independence - we send thousands of kenya and east africa to IVY league - under the JF Kennedy Airlift Program

That is how Obama father ended in Harvard in 1960s and got Obama Jnr.

Kenya in 50s and 60s went to US in large numbers - Russia tried to compete - but IVY league trained kenyans laughed off the Russian and East German graduate - as untrained.

yeah .. it's your typical slave mentality at play

Meanwhile USA and Germany were busy looking for Russians to employ because they are considered top class.

Lunatic.. they were sent there to do arts
It was almost ban to teach you science and maths

EKONGKING:
They Think Obama will save their miserable ass.

Kenyans needs to reduce their stupidty level .

They are living in a dream world 😂🤣

Stoplying:
So you are unaware that our nuclear energy is not working very fine these days.
Was there a need to call me slowpoke?
Also, even if the nuclear energy was working fine, the gas for winter, is it from nuclear energy?

that's how he behave.... An immature kid who can't hold a discussion

rvp2018:
If you slowpoke lived in France - you would know France depend on Nuclear Energy.
Germany dismantled their nuclear - and are they one who suffered the most when Russia energy was cut.
But Germans like many Western Europeans are very smart people
Smart people figure out solutions very easily.
That fruit of investing in education and giving people freedoms.

Dictatorship like Russia is now still waiting for Putin to tell them what to do.

If you live in France, you'll know that all of France nuclear fuel comes from Russia.

So Germany smart solution was to switch off industrial production and now China has overtaken them in car manufacturing and export.

Europe cannot replace Russian energy and raw material, they'll destroy themselves and Russia will keep growing strong

rvp2018:
How did Russia help Kenya.
Russia and Castro helped some few countries like Angola, Algeria, Mozambique fight colonailism

US did even BETTER.
US helped Kenya, Ghana and name them by demanding the Britain and France end colonoliasm as part of the Marshall Plan.

US ended colonialism in many places in Africa and Asia than Russia did. Almost all colonialism ended because of US.

Russia was mostly a failure and is now shamelessly deploying Wagner to Africa to steal minerals.

Russia was the only country offering your country scholarships in the science and engineering fields and offering you the technology you required to run your country. The western world was only interested in giving you arts scholarships.

rvp2018:
Restrict yourself to Mali, Burnkinafaso and other Wagner territories. Russia has never really gotten a foothold in Kenya.

again, reading and comprehension problem.

Did anyone mention foothold...?
The Russians want nothing to do with Africa because, there's nothing that Africa has that they don't have.
Plus Africans countries like Kenya are too stupid to know what's good for them.

When the Russians help your forefathers out, they ended up selling out to the Americans.