Speer:


Hello Justcool,

Good-day!!

The above post is from page 1 of this thread. Though you have extensively explained Lucifer, I pls wanted to ask if you still had anything more to say on the difference on what is wrong and what is evil as indicated in the bolded portion above (second to the last paragraph, last sentence).

Do not have any of the Past Eras/Millennia books on me right now so can not quote the exact sentences/footnotes from the Atlantis chapter regarding the elementals' help.

Again, thanks for the insight on The Void. Had been wanted to ask about that for a long time. First decided to try and figure it out myself...............with no progress..............and then received your explanation of it. One really has a very long journey ahead.

Have a all-encompassing receptive week.

Hi Speer,
Thanks for your questions.
A great insight regarding what is evil and what is wrong, is given in the 1931 edition of the Grail message. From the lecture, MYSTERY OF LUCIFER we read:

“Nor should one call the principle he employs the evil principle, but the wrong principle; wrong in the sense of incorrect, not unjust.” (Abdruschin) (Color change, mine)

The key word here, which solves our puzzle is “incorrect, not unjust.” One can equally rephrase it in his view as ‘incorrect, but not lacking in justice. Or one can say, ‘lacking in love, but not lacking in Justice’.

Hence we recognize that for any action to be correct, or as willed by God, it has to swing in both LOVE and JUSTICE. These are the major pillars of all that emanate from God, the attributes that all that conforms to His will must bear and express. Perhaps, I must mention the third one: PURITY! Hence we have LOVE, JUSTICE, and PURITY. The trinity of God, which all that accords perfectly with the Will of God must have.
Unification or attainment of these attributes gives rise to Holiness; something which only the Almighty possess, because only He is LOVE, JUSTICE and PURITY unified as one. Man can only portray an imitation of Holiness which is chastity, or righteousness; because man can only express the spiritual version or spiritual reflections of Love, Justice, and Purity of God. Hence, at best a human being can become chaste(Free from all guilt or evil) or righteous, but never HOLY; because God alone is HOLY.
The human being in the developing in the world of matter is learning how to portray or reflect this trinity in all that he does. A spirit that has matured enough to reflect these attributes of God in the right manner becomes chaste. I.e. He becomes free from all guilt and based on the law of attraction of homogenous species will be drawn to the homogenous realm of chastity—Paradise. Such a one is able to reflect perfectly, the LOVE, JUSTICE, and PURITY of God; however, in this case they are only spiritual reflections which of course cannot be compared with those streaming directly from God Himself. The love that a creature, be it the most developed spirit or Divine substantiate being, cannot be as portent as the LOVE that God is. Neither can the justice expressed or embodied in any creature compare with the Justice of God Himself, nor can any creature ever possess the Purity that is embodied in God Himself. Hence what we find in creatures, are reflections (Divine substantiate reflections, Primordial spiritual reflections, spiritual reflections, animistic reflections etc) of the actual LIVING LOVE, JUSTICE, and PURITY of God. Hence creatures can only be chaste, righteous, faithful etc., but never Holy because the concept of Holiness is reserved to God alone. But sometimes for the lack of a better word and due to the deficiency of our language, we use the word ‘holy’ in regards to a creature.

As the human spirit develops in the world of matter, sometimes he doesn’t develop these qualities equally; hence he may be able to reflect a certain limited love but fail to reflect or express justice. Actions that bear love but lack justice and purity are not evil; yet they are not correct because they do not fully conform to the will of God with demands that love, justice, and purity must be unified as one in every action. To the set of humans beings, who can express a certain love but not justice, belongs a lot of women on earth. Look around you and you will easily observe.

Example: A woman “loves” her son so much, that she is willing to do anything to make him happy. She works hard, denies herself pleasure and expensive things, so as to provide for her son. She gives him whatever he demands for, just to make him happy and cannot bear to see him cry. She lives to make his earthly physical life easy. She would never allow him to suffer, and when he makes a mistake, she happily takes the blame and suffers for him. We cannot say that this woman’s “love” for her son is evil; but it is wrong. We cannot say that this woman’s “love” for her son is evil because it is aimed at making him happy; and the desire to make another human being happy, to bring joy to him, to wait hand and foot on him, is right; but it should be tamed with justice which demands that all, not only one individual should be taken into account. But in this woman’s case, Justice is lacking for all, because by taking the blame and suffering or paying for her son’s mistakes, she is being unjust to herself. She is also unjust to her son because by suffering for him and paying for his mistakes, she has denied him the spiritual recognition which the suffering may have awakened in him. Not only the physical earthly needs should a mother consider, but his spiritual needs too.
This “love” that this woman expresses for her son is not the LOVE that mature or chaste spirits reflects. Real love directs itself primarily at the spirit; it will take earthly physical comfort in consideration, of course, but never at the expense of the spirit!

Another example of love without justice is the case of a young girl that falls in love with a man. She loves this man so much that she cannot stand seeing him upset. She will never condemn his actions because it may upset him and he may end the relationship; rather than confronting him about his actions she will silently fast and pray for him. Yet every night she falls upon her knees praying that God should make this man repent. She gives him her body whenever he wants it, even though intuitively she feels she shouldn’t, but she does it anyway, not out of lust, but just to make him happy.
We cannot say that this girl’s “love” is evil, however it is wrong because it is lacking in justice and purity. One must put God before all else and should be able to face losing anything that does not accord with His Holy will. She should not give this man her body, just to make him happy even though she feels intuitively he is lusting after her; rather she should demand that he free himself of lust and let genuine love arise in him before considering physical copulation with him. Therefore, she is being unjust to herself by allowing another human being to lay lustful hands on her.

As with love, so with justice. A man can also be just but lacking in love. Actions resulting from such will not necessarily be called evil, yet they are wrong. Think about the principle of temptation which I discussed in my reply to Merverick09. There is nothing unjust in the principle of temptation; it swings in justice, but lacks love and hence it is wrong. A person that tempts is not really being unjust, because a strong person will not be diverted from the right path by temptation, and it can even make the strong stronger; but it offers no support for the weak ones; therefore it lacks love and hence wrong. This is the principle introduced by Lucifer. It is indeed a very effect full way of separating the strong from the weak but the resultant is that all that is weak are in danger of being lust from the outset. This principle is very easily observable in the world of today, as it is practiced, not only by the law enforcement agencies, but in all institutions of learning.
An example is schools where they use multiple choice exams(OBJ exams). A question is asked and five answers given, out of which the student must choose one. Out of the five answers, only one is correct. This is an effective way of testing students, it is thought out by the brain and works well in material earthly matters or studies; but one should not employ such in spiritual matters! The idea of putting wrong answers next to the right one, from which the student must choose is a form of setting of snares, hence employs the principle of temptations. There is no injustice in it; indeed it can serve to strengthen the knowledge of the strong, but offers the weak no loving support. A weak student, who has a certain fascination or affinity with a certain wrong answer given, will easily choose it as the correct one. It also allows the possibility of one guessing his way through; hence a bad student may make a lucky guess and pass through without deserving it. This is lacking in love for the student is then promoted to the next class or given a certificate to where he will be faced with challenges he is not equipped to deal with. In spiritual matters this type of examination should not be applied. When a student is asked a question, he is not given wrong answers along with the right one. God does not give us multiple choices, He gives us His Will alone, which we must understand and live. If you approach Jesus with a question, while he was on earth, He will only give you the Truth! He will only give you the correct answer or in the case where you are not spiritually ready to absorb it, He will keep quite. He will not place some lies next to the Truth so that you can sought out the Truth from the lies! Because that involves a spiritual battle to which the weak is lost from the onset. Hence, the idea of multiple choice testing is not evil; but it is wrong as it is lacking in love.

Another similar example is the much praised system of casting votes to choose leaders: The much praised democracy. Indeed, in regards to choosing a leader, Democracy remain best system thought out by the brain; but it cannot be compared by that which emanates from the intuition and hence in accord with the Will of God. Democracy was thought out by the best intellectuals, with the purest intentions, and hence we cannot call it evil; but it is wrong. The mistake lies in using the brain, a material tool, to invent a system for human beings who are actually spiritual beings. All that the brain thinks out, even with the best intentions, will only be good for material things, but when applied to matters involving spiritual welfare, they become terribly inadequate and hence wrong. And a government designed or human beings must take spirituality, the true nature of humans, into question. Democracy gives us multiple choice! People vote based on what they see or hear! This at best is just a game of guessing! And this is not what leadership as willed by God should be. God gave us the ability to perceive intuitively, an ability which if kept pure does not permit guessing; it knows the Truth from the onset. Hence when a servant of God is sent to lead, mankind will recognize him immediately with their intuitive perception. This is how we are designed to function! However, mankind have trampled this gift o intuitive perception underfoot and substituted it with intellectual guessing games. Remember the Ishmanites and the people of Izra, they did not cast votes to decide their king. If they had done so, they would have definitely missed Him Who was sent from the Light to lead them. The guessing game called Democracy allows the opportunity of an imposter being chosen, because he pretended to be what the people needed. Hence it allows the setting of snares; because every imposter contesting for leadership is a snare or a trap into which the people may blindly fall. Also, people will always chose what is at their level off development; and this defeat the purpose of leadership because a true leader should stand half a step above the people he leads.

The principle of temptation was introduced by Lucifer in his quest to do his work fast and return to his origin. This principle is indeed effective, as it is widely applied today in the various institutions and governments of the modern era; however, this principle is not unjust, it swings in justice, but deficient in love. The fact that it is not unjust, was part of the reason why it(it’s embodiments or volitions of Lucifer) was able to climb up the heights in creation; but it could not gain a mainstay in above subsequent creation, as it was made powerless because the servants of God there are too alert to fall into any temptation. This fact of it not being unjust, hence being consistent to a certain extent with justice, coupled with the abilities that the origin of Lucifer endured him, made it possible for him to send embodiments of this principle so high in creation, this is also why he was able to temp servants of God even Jesus Himself. But he remained powerless in the kingdom of God the beings there remained steadfast to the Will of God. After his struggle with the Primordial queen and the infant son of man; he was banished from the kingdom of God. Angel Michael and a host of angels drove his volitions out of the kingdom of God. Only in subsequent creation did mankind yield to this principle by falling into temptations; this way, mankind empowered Lucifer and material creation became the field of operation of this loveless principle. But even today he has been banished from the entire creation, even the world of matter. When the time came, God sent His Holy Sword, the son of man, into the realm of Lucifer and bound him; by binding, he is unable to send his volitions into any part of creation, even material creation. The evil we encounter today in the world of matter originates from human beings who succumbed to the temptation of Lucifer. Mankind still employs this principle of temptation which will always give rise to evil when one falls for it.

The question remains, “What then is evil?” Evil is that which has no bearing to either love, Justice or Purity. That which is evil lacks in all of these three attributes. It is meant to hurt another from the unset and has no desire to help or for the benefit of another human being. That which is wrong initially can stem from genuine good intention; only that it is lacking either in Love or Justice. That which is evil was born totally out of bad intention and was never meant for any good. All that is wrong will in time, if not corrected, become evil, give rise to evil or make its participants evil; because overtime the individual who is doing wrong is shown, either through the reciprocal effect resulting from the laws of creation or through some other means, that what he is doing is wrong. If afterwards, he continues, he becomes evil! However, at the very beginning that which is wrong can possess certain, although dimmed purity, if done with good intention. Where there is learning, schools like in the world of matter, wrong actions are speculated to probably arise from the students as the students are still learning. However, evil is totally not expected and should not arise at all. Evil is totally inexcusable! It is related to the concept of wickedness. Evil has it’s origin in mankind. Lucifer himself has the greatest contempt for evil men; hence he sees them as deserving nothing but complete destruction. However, these evil men are victims of his principle.

Thanks and remain blessed.

Tobakunn:
Greetings @ all,

@Justcool, could you please provide clarity on the concept of 'Vanity'? The meaning of the word is something I'm well aware of but the word itself embodies, or rather, expresses a concept which I have not been able to grasp completely. I will be really grateful for any help you can proffer.

Thank you for your consistent assistance.

Wishing you all that is pure and true.

@Tobakunn

Thanks for your questions.

It is my perception that vanity refers to any endeavor that brings no spiritual benefit. Hence any endeavor that is futile, worthless, or valueless. Since it is the spiritual benefit that adds value to anything or makes any endeavor worthwhile, anything that has no spiritual benefit is valueless or worthless; hence vain.


An example of vanity is the overly attention that is paid to the appearance of the physical body while not attention is paid to the spiritual intuition. Anything done to the body that brings no benefit to the spirit is vanity. Look at all the energy, money and time that mankind waste today on cosmetics. Women will lie, steal, and even sell their virtues just to buy cosmetics or beautify their bodies one-sidedly in a manner that incites lust and not in a manner that corresponds to the spiritual intuition.

There is nothing wrong in cultivating beauty, making the physical body beautiful or even using make up (cosmetics) to a responsible extent. However, this should be done with an alert intuition. In beautifying themselves, women should give physical expression to beauty that they embody inside. Hence in their physical appearance they give us a hint of the luminous realms. But when it is done just to draw attention to the body or to the individual, it becomes vanity.

All vanity stem from our weakness or desire to draw attention to ourselves or our importance. It is through this vanity in us that Lucifer’s traps mankind. He tempts the individual with the reward of power, or self-importance; one who is vain is already at his mercy. Even preachers and called ones fall victim to this temptation as soon as they start to use their power to draw attention to themselves and not to God. If you cast an intuitive glance at the temptation of Jesus, you will observe that among other things, Lucifer tried to lure Jesus into using His power to draw attention to Himself. The metaphorical “turn stones into bread” means: Use your power to make the lives of men easy (give them bread of physical comfort), alleviate their physical needs so that you can draw them to you and they will acknowledge you as their savior! But the love of Jesus resisted and defeated Lucifer because Jesus has no vanity in Him; He had no desire to be acknowledged (celebrated) or to become popular before men. Rather than that, Jesus gave men what men needed spiritually. And what mankind need spiritually was the word of God, or as it is metaphorically depicted in the bible, “every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.” And this is what Jesus was will to give to mankind, even at the cost of men hating, rejecting, mocking and ultimately crucifying Him. Hence the allegorical expression, “man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God,” means “What mankind needs most is spiritual knowledge, or knowledge of God Almighty, which I am willing to give them at all cost; not the bread of physical comfort.”

This is why people like Abd-ru-shin, who have no iota of vanity in them, would rather have their readers or listeners pay attention to their word and not to them personally. Abd-ru-shin wished that readers and listeners of His Grail message should heed the word and not Himself; and the gratitude arising from the spirits that have recognized the Truth in His message; He wished they should be directed to God and not to Himself. Hence while He was on earth, He was indifferent to what mankind’s gratitude to Him, but only found joy when mankind was grateful to God. Hence He was able to say the absolute Truth, even though He knew He may become unpopular among men. He wished not be a celebrity on earth; for He served God Almighty alone and not man’s vanity.

Consider, what benefit will it bring a man to know everything personal about Abd-ru-shin, and yet not able to understand His Grail message and live accordingly? What benefit will it bring you to know every personal detail about the earth life of Jesus, to follow Him in twitter and Facebook like people do most preachers today, put his pictures on your wall, write and sing songs of praises to Him, yet not able to understand His message and live accordingly?

What does it benefit a man to know the entire scriptures, to be able to quote it verse by verse, and yet lack love for your fellow creatures? Such knowledge will only bring you earthly distinction, earthly scholarships and awards, open doors to universities, draw congregation of admirers and listeners to you, but it will not take you half a step closer to God because it lacks spiritual benefit. It is simply vanity.


Another very grievous offshoot of vanity is conceit. This is the individual overinflating his ego and having illusion of grandeurs regarding his abilities and self-worth. This is one of the major problems with humanity o today. Everyman considers himself the center of the universe; he thinks the whole world revolves around him. Hence, naturally he (most times unconsciously) considers himself more important that his fellow human beings. This is why he doesn’t mind hurting others to preserve himself; he simply puts himself before others. This is self-love; the individual making an idol of himself.

As with the individual so with the entire mankind. Look at the way mankind treat the earth as if it is their own. They destroy the atmosphere, the lands, forests, and even animals! Just to build their factories that manufacture nuclear weapons and cosmetics.

I can go on and on regarding the offshoots of vanity; indeed every sin has vanity at its core.

In the Ten Commandments of God, we are given the greatest advice to overcome vanity. Obedience to the first commandment, which is the most exalted commandment is the surest way to avoid vanity; for one who puts God before all else and worships only God is free from all vanity. Such a person will not make an idol of himself, i.e. he will not practice self-love. He will never consider himself more valuable than his fellow creatures. Hence he will never hurt his neighbor to preserve himself.

The son of God gave us further advice on how to live to avoid all forms of vanity. With the words, “Love thy neighbor as thyself,” Jesus gave us a shield which if used, will protect us from all vanity and hence we can overcome all temptation.


Thanks and remain blessed.

izombo:
@justcool
I always find your post very illuminating, please continue the good work. Tell me more about Lucifer, what plane did he really came from? Is it from the primordial realm or higher in the divine?

@izombo

Thanks for your questions.

I have already mentioned many times in this thread that Lucifer originated from the Divine substantiate sphere. Lucifer did not originate from the primordial spiritual realm.


Thanks and remain blessed.

@ Speer

I have already answered in my last post. It is impossible for anything astral to become physical. Astral and physical, although belonging to gross matter and sharing a certain degree of homogeneity, are two different species. In creation different species don't interchange or mingle, they only exist side by side. Hence even the most condensed astral remains astral, and can never become physical. Astral object can radiate in to the physical realm allowing a physical replica of the object to arise, since heaviest gross matter( physical) is a reflection of the astral. Everything physical has an astral prototype.

Provide the verses that you are alluding to in Past Eras Awaken, and lets examine them.

Thanks and remain blessed.

Speer:
Thank you Justcool as ever.

My next inquiry regards to the working of those elemental beings (inc. the "giants" who work very closely with mankind on the gross material earth. They are mentioned in the chapter on Atlantis in one the Past Eras/Milllenia books.
Also from the chapter Germs Originating from Animistic Substance in Vol. III we have:

"Now let us at last talk of animistic-germs, which we had taken as our subject. Those that are most closely related to the spirit-germs of earthmen as regards their development are the small flower-elves of the earth.

As you regard it, these awaken in the cups of earthly flowers, but not in the way you imagine it! It is true that they are in the flower-buds which form their coarsest protective cloak until they awaken, but there is something else in addition.

In reality they lie softly embedded in a layer of fine, delicate gross matter, not visible to you in the earthly sense. But at the same time they also lie in a flower-bud of the earth. The delicate layer of gross matter not only penetrates the bud but also the entire earth and its surroundings, something which is invisible to you."

What I cannot fathom is how the 'giants" and others in the past who operate in fine gross matter were/are able to help with gross material constructions or objects on earth. How did they help the Atlanteans build huge constructions
on earth? Or how do the objects created by them in fine gross matter (say building blocks) become, well, coarse gross matter that is visible to our eyes?

That the earth was physically orbiting in "higher or less dense" orbits during those times probably has something to do with it-----was the fine gross material plane where these elemental beings operate, how to say it, somewhat "closer" to the earth? From my understanding, we are still surrounded by fine gross matter (although way more darker than then).

Thanks as always. As in the Grail Castle, you are the chalice of knowledge of this thread without which it would dry up!!!

Cheers,

@Speer.
Thanks for your questions; as always they are deep and worthy. I will use this opportunity to touch on some things that have caused many puzzles and problems in the society; these puzzles and problems all stem from the not-understood mutuality of the different species of gross matter. So bear with me as I will digress a lot in my explanation.

The solution to your question lies in the fact that both astral and physical is gross matter. Hence they share a certain level of homogeneity. As you already know, there types of gross matter: (1) Fine gross matter, (2) Medium gross matter (astral), and (3) Heavy gross matter (physical).

Now these three are arranged by the law of gravity, based on their weight, density, or coarseness. Hence based on this, the physical(heaviest gross) matter should lie deepest or furthest from the light than the astral and fine gross matter. However, the law of motion also comes into play. The slower or more sluggish anything is, the further will be its distance from the Primordial Light. Hence astral forms (forms of evil thoughts etc) that lack movement, being slower than the physical in movement, are bound to sink lower than the physical; the accumulation of these works forms planes that are lower, darker, more rigid, and uglier than the physical. This is how the dark planes of the beyond came into being; these dark planes need not exist, hence we can call them unnatural. These lower worlds are works of man, not nature!

All these three species, being gross matter are homogenous to a certain degree, and hence they affect each directly. It is this homogeneity that allows a very apt physical eye to sometimes catch a glimpse of the astral. This is why among some ancients we have tales of impossible creatures, tales of sudden appearance and disappearance of people, the dead and creatures. Imagine a hunter in those ancient times! He has to sit still, unnoticed, for hours in other to see animals to throw spears at. And these animals for their safety have camouflages, making them very difficult to discern from their environments. Hence the hunters eyes has to be very keen at discerning; it has to be subjected to utmost movement; it cannot slack, otherwise the hunter and his family will die of hunger. Overtimes, the eyes of the hunter becomes so keen in discernment, that he can even sometimes see certain astral forms, which in their sluggishness or rigidity closely resembles the physical. It happens that this hunter sometimes see astral forms of men’s thoughts. Since these forms carry the resemblance of their originators, this hunter may mistake them to be people he knows. This is how witch hunting began! For example, the hunter may say that he saw his neighbor often transformed into a lion with ten heads and chase him. Perhaps other hunters may see similar things, and the resultant is that they crucify or kill this neighbor of theirs in a gruesome manner, believing he is a witch or that he turns into a lion! This unfortunate neighbor of theirs may be an old man who was a hunter while young, and who during his years of hunting has developed great fear of lions. And this fear has taken on form in the beyond, attached to him and to all people that nourished such fear of lions. Hence the hunter who accused his neighbor of witchcrafts may have contributed in creating the monster he sees pursuing him. But due to our folly of always looking for faults in our neighbors, never in ourselves, the aforementioned hunter who can see these forms, only recognizes his neighbor’s face in them. Little did he know that in creating these forms (monster) he is as guilty as or even guiltier than his neighbor. It is quite possible that his neighbor have not contributed at all in creating the monstrous forms, hence the neighbor is totally innocent; yet this man sees the neighbor’s face in these monsters which he created himself, because of his hatred or fear of his neighbor. Totally ignorant of all these, he goes ahead and kills his neighbor, who he believes is a witch or can turns into a lion or monstrous forms!

It is very sad that up till this day so many people in Africa still believe in the nonsense called witch hunting, people appearing and disappearing or people turning into animals, etc. Firstly, most of these stories are simply false! Only in very few cases, are the stories true, and in such cases the explanation is quite simple as all that happens in creation are. There is a story of man who visited a native doctor and after some incantations and after eating some leaves offered by the native doctor, the native doctor turned into a snake and after a while returned to being human. This story was actually told by a non-Nigerian who visited Nigeria, and hence the story is true. Let me use this opportunity to explain these phenomena.

To one who knows the laws of creation, the explanation is quite simple! Both the incantations and the leaves offered by the native doctors have certain effect on the physical body, making it sensitive to things that it would not be sensitive to under normal circumstances. Just as every food you eat has an effect on your body! The leaves changes the radiation of the body i.e. the blood radiation, due to its botanical components, making the eyes extraordinary more perceptive! This then enables the man to see the astral form of the native doctor which has degenerated to the form of a snake due to wrong living! Soon the effect of the drug(leaves, herbs, roots, etc) wears out and the man’s sensitivity returns to normal and consequently he perceives on the physical cloak of the native doctor again; and it appears to him as if the native doctor’s physical body has retransformed back to human form! Deeply shaken, the man now believes that the native doctor has supernatural powers, and consequently he accepts the doctor’s words as gospel truth! Mundane science knows that the components of the things we eat find their way to our blood; and through the blood, our organs, even our organs of perception especially the brain! This is how hallucinogens and certain mind altering drugs works. Some of the times what people see under the effect of some hallucinogens are not imaginations but realities in their astral environments! This is what science cannot take into account because, so far, science has not crossed the threshold of the non-physical; hence the exact mechanism through which these drugs work are not yet clearly understood by science. Some of these hallucinogens and dissociative drugs go as far as lowering or changing the blood radiation to the extent that the astral eyes opens and the individual sees with his astral eyes; even to the extent of allowing the astral body to slide out of the physical for a while. In such moments the physical body and its organs of perception are temporarily pushed into the background, while the astral takes the lead. Not only drugs can cause these effects, certain things like high fever resulting from illness, infection, incantations, chanting, even fasting can have such effects on the body that can give rise to extreme changes in the blood radiation!

Let it be categorically stated that under no circumstances can the human physical body turn into a snake or any animal; neither can a man spontaneously disappear into the mist nor appear all of a sudden. No human can vomit money he never swallowed; neither can somebody make money appear out of nowhere. All these stories were usually here in Africa are either blatant lies or they stem from lack of understanding or a perfectly natural phenomena.

Based on the homogeneity of all the gross material species, it is easier for a soul in the astral or fine gross material to cause a physical manifestation than one already in the ethereal; because ethereal is an entirely different species from the physical. Hence manifestations, such as those observed phenomena like table knocking, Ouija boards, spirit photography, etc are possible in regards to souls still wearing either their astral or fine gross material cloaks as opposed to those already in the ethereal. Hence it is laughable when these mystics claim to have contacted very high beings, like Jesus, through Ouija boards or table knocking or through some other mystic practices.

However, for the departed to cause these manifestations on the physical, something is needed: a radiation bridge! Some people on earth, in flesh and blood, have a type of radiation that offer the departed a bridge to cause physical manifestations. Such people often find light physical objects moving in their environments; these objects appear to move on their own without people moving them. Such people may find table levitating, chairs thrown, or pencils and plates sliding and falling off tables, etc around them. These people are often called haunted people or erroneously called possessed people. This also explains why such manifestations as table-knocking, Ouija boards or physical manifestation of the departed succeed more in isolation than in public places. When the person who offers this radiation bridge, is alone or with a few people with homogenous radiations, it’s easier for the departed to approach him and use the bridge. However, in the public when there are many people with different radiations and differing homogeneity, this difference in homogeneity can repulse the departed wishing to manifest. Or the combined radiation of many makes it impossible. Because based on the law of attraction of homogenous species, only a soul homogenous to a bridge can pass through it. Hence it happens, as have often happened in history that those who in practice succeed in contacting the departed through these practices often fail when they try it in an open arena in the presence of a crowd.

Hence radiation explains everything! In it lies the solution to your puzzle. The elementals in medium gross matter are able to cause physical changes through radiations! This is easy to understand in this era that science has discovered and starting making use of radiations, albeit the coarsest forms of radiations. Think of microwaves for example! You can cook with it. The microwave oven sends microwaves, which are radiations, to the food; the radiation has the ability to agitate water molecules, the resultant is greater movement of the molecules which causes heat that cooks or boils the food. This way you boil your food(or water in the food) without directly applying heat or flame to the food! By the same token, the elementals can, by sending their radiations to physical objects, cause a grater subatomic movement which can result in lightness, heating up or cooling down, depending on the nature of the radiation, which changes depending on their intention. Hence they have helped the ancients in construction of buildings, especially in movement of giant stones! Today science still marvels on how the ancients were able to move giant stones. The truth is that they received help. Hence a stone that weighs tons can be made as light as a feather! This is how the elementals helped the ancients in constructions, especially in moving very heavy stones. If science continues onwards, it will get to a stage where it will achieve great feats, feats that we consider impossible today, with radiations.

However, the elementals in medium gross matter do not need the radiations of men in flesh and blood to mold, shape, or work on the physical. They are so constituted that their radiation can unite with the radiations of physical matter and effect a change. And being in gross matter, albeit medium gross matter, they are not in an entirely different species from the physical. Those in higher planes of matter, can also work with men in moving or molding physical objects when they are allowed to do so from above. However, to be able to do this, they will have to envelop themselves in veils or cloaks of medium gross matter.

It is with their(elementals in medium gross matter) radiations that they are able to move the tectonic plates, movements that cause earthquakes. It is with their radiations that they are able to change work on physical objects. Just as the mutual radiation of the physical and the soul holds the body and soul together, it is the mutual radiation of the animistic germs(germs originating from animistic substance) and the physical flower that holds the germ in the flower.

When it comes to inventions that they fashion in gross matter, which are eventually passed down to the earth, it is not the astral prototypes that become physical. Rather, the astral prototypes are shown to man, who then has the task of building it in the physical realm. This being shown to man is not always done in full conscious awareness of the man, he may thing he dream it; or it may instigate him to think about inventing such things. Ideas will come to him which in his ignorance he will think are his; but remember the words:
"But you never give purely your own volition in any matter, there are always other influences as well!"(Abdruschin)
This is how astral prototypes made by the elementals in the astral planes are passed down to the earth. It requires the involvement of man in flesh and blood. As all that requires the involvement of man, errors can arise. This is why we have harmful inventions; they are not properly passed down.

Therefore "objects created by them in fine gross matter (say building blocks)" can never become physical matter that our eyes see as you suggested in your question. Rather the inventions(objects created by them) can inspire inventors on earth; they can perceive it inwardly or in their thoughts and build it physically on earth too. During the process of picking up, they think that are inventing the idea without knowing that they are only picking up in theirs thoughts, forms that already exist in creation. Read the lecture Silence! This is also why every inventor(inventor of good things) should not take all the credit, but should give all the glory to God from whose creation he(the inventor) received what he passed down to the earth.

Also, in regards to being visible; this is possible. I have already explained that under certain circumstances an apt physical eye can perceive astral forms or objects. It is also possible that under certain circumstances, men in flesh and blood can see with their medium(astral) or fine gross material eyes; even ethereal eyes! In such moments as during the construction of important buildings, the ancients who are humble and pure prayed for help. As an answer to their prayers, the Almighty permits that their subtler eyes(either astral, fine gross material or ethereal eyes) open; Or He may allow these invisible servants of His holy will to condense to such an extent the men can see them. In such cases, where men have prayed in humility for His help, the Almighty also allows his servants in medium gross matter, the elementals, to help men. In such circumstances, such men can clearly see and hear the elementals, who will instruct the men on what do, and also help make heavy stones lighter with their radiations as I have already explained.

It's far more natural than you think.

Thanks and remain blessed.

bynah:
Hello all,
It gives me great joy to be actually posting on this thread. I came across the Grail Message about 3 years ago, and I have read it severally, including the 1931 version. I discovered this thread about two years ago and have been of and on and a guest till now.
My knowledge of the Message has been greatly enriched by the inputs of justcool and m_nwankwo and some others, I give all the praise to God for leading me here.
I do read sequentially everytime and need clarification on the issue of Christmas Dec 25th being the birth of Christ, I'm not at the lecture so I may not be able to pick out paragraphs now but it's bothering me seriously. I also don't understand why Easter too should be celebrated since historically they are of pagan origins.
I don't know much but I'm beginning to understand some things, this issue is the one most paramount to me for the time being.
Thanks and remain blessed.

@bynah
Thanks for your question. I’m sorry I didn’t notice the above questions till today.

The Grail message never said that Jesus was born 25th of December. However, there is nothing wrong in setting out a day to celebrate the birth of the savior, even if the day of celebration is not the exact day of the savior’s birth. Therefore, some churches that celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25th are not doing it because they think He was actually born on that day. It is a day that has been marked out for the celebration. December 25th is the day of celebration of the winter solstice; a celebration that was very important for the ancient Europeans, hence the early Christian church in their quest to win converts, incorporated it into Christianity, and Christianized it to be the celebration of the birth of Jesus. The Grail message never said that adherents must celebrate the birth of Jesus on 25th December; if some do, they do it out or personal choice. Christ was born around the winter solstice, based on the laws of creation there is a significance to this day; however the exact day of His birth is not 25th.

While ancient Easter celebration has paganisitic or heathen origin, the resurrection of Jesus happened to fall on the day the ancients celebrated Easter. The early Christians, especially the early Roman Christian church allowed Northern European converts to continue with the celebration that has been so deeply engraved into the fabric of Northern European life; the church perhaps feared she(the church) will lose their Northern European converts of they were deprived celebrations that they were so used to. Hence the celebrations were allowed to continue; but rather than paying homage to Ēostre (an ancient goddess), Christians were advised to pay homage to Christ. Hence early European tribes kept their pagan traditions, the church wanted to use these celebrations and traditions as bridge that will gradually lead the pagan converts from paganism to Christianity. Therefore they were told to celebrate the resurrection of Jesus on Easter day, rather than the resurrection of nature(spring with her accompanying fertility) which the ancients attributed to the goddess Eostre, who was also the goddess of fertility.

This way certain pagan practices, like decoration or painting of eggs (which symbolizes adoration to fertility), egg hunting, Ash Wednesday, abstaining from meat eating during lent, etc, were carried over into Christianity and mixed with the resurrection of Jesus.

There is nothing wrong in celebrating nature(spring with her abundant fertility). But by now mankind should have matured spiritually enough, to give thanks to the Almighty God for His gift of spring. Some of the goddesses that the ancients worshiped or thanked during this period are actually elementals or links in the embodiments of radiations that ultimately started from the Kingdom of God. Hence for all that we find in nature, for every season with their respective gifts, we should bow before the Almighty God and thank Him in humility for his graciousness.

Indeed some of the ancient celebrations are quite good, especially when they celebrate nature which is the work of the Creator. What should have changed by now is the attitude, or the intuitive perceptions that the ancients attached to the things or natural phenomena that they celebrated.

For example, some ancients on perceiving the importance of the sun and its rays for life on earth, adored the sun. Overtime, they matured to the extent that the clairvoyants among them can see the elemental beings that work in the radiations of the sun; some went as far as seeing the Apollo, the being in charge of the sun; and they adored him. However if they keep going onwards with their development, overtime they will see beyond Apollo and ultimately they will reach a stage where they realize that all, including the sun, belongs the One and only true God, the Almighty God, the only One worthy of worship. But most ancients didn’t go onwards in their spiritual development, overtime they became stagnant, and once stagnant, retrogression followed. Hence adoration of the sun or Apollo degenerated to worship of the sun or Apollo. And this is wrong for only God should be worshiped.

The modern man today, who should have matured spiritually, should know that there is nothing wrong in adoring the sun. Indeed it is duty to recognize the value of the sun which is a great gift from God, and which we must never seek to destroy. However, our gratitude and worship should be directed only to God Almighty, who in His indescribable love gave us the sun for our benefit on earth.

Even some ancient Africans that adored and worshipped the earth; they have a day set out for the worship and celebration of the earth. For example, the ancient Igbos adored Ani(the earth goddess). Such celebrations need not be done away with. What we should have stopped in regards to the celebration is the worship of the Earth or the goddess of the earth. The earth should still be adored, we can set out a day to thank the Almighty for the gift of the earth, and on that day we should renew our vow never to see the earth fall into the realm of darkness. Never to stain it with evil deeds. Hence some of these ancient traditions should have been kept; it is our attitude that should have evolved. The tradition itself is not inherently evil. But unfortunately, we became stagnant and consequently retrogression followed. Then came the white missionaries who forcibly destroyed and forbade these traditions; they took away our traditions and handed us theirs. Celebration of the earth is as good as celebration of Eostre (the celebration of spring). The ancient Europeans celebrated Spring and the each of the four seasons because nature in Europe gives them four seasons, (Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter). In tropical Africa where we have three seasons(Rainy, Dry, and Harmattan), and consequently you don’t find celebration of spring rather you find among several African tribes, the celebrating and worship of the rain; the first rain of the year of often received with adoration, praises and even celebration and worship of the god of rain or sky. There is nothing inherently wrong in this adoration and celebration, only the worship of god is wrong. Hence by now Africans should still adore rainfall, be grateful for it; and set out a day to thank the Almighty for it.

However, it was very unfair for the missionaries to tell our forefathers to drop their celebrations of the nature around them and pick up celebrations like Eostre which stems from Europeans celebration of their environment.

Also there is nothing wrong in remembering the resurrection of Christ during the period of Easter; but one must be fully aware that Christ did not resurrect physically; for such will be contrary to the laws of creation which testify of the perfection of the creator and which incorruptible and unchangeable. Bringing the celebration of resurrection of Christ to Africans is not wrong, because Jesus is their Lord too. However other things like the painting or hunting of eggs, abstaining from meat during lent and etc, are all European cultures which brings the African no benefit. Rather it takes his view off his own environment and culture. People should be able to disassociate these practices, abstaining from meat eating during lent, Ash Wednesday, etc from Jesus. As these are European cultural practices that in reality have nothing to do with Jesus.

In Abdruschin’s lecture, “Let Easter arise within you, man!” It is my perception that by using the word, ‘Easter,’ Abdruschin meant resurrection. Hence “Let Easter arise within you, man!” means let the spirit within you awaken or let there be an awakening within you. Just as nature resurrects in Easter(Spring), the spirit of man should resurrect or awaken spiritually before he can pass judgment and be worthy to experience the millennium or Kingdom of God. It is like Christ, “Except a man be born again, he cannot see the ....” It has nothing to do with paganisistic worship of Eoster) or physical resurrection of Christ.

Also, you have to understand that so many things and even names that we accepted from Erupeans have paganisinc origins. Think of the names of the days, for example. Sunday refers to day for the worship of the sun. Thursday refers to the Thor, the god of thunder. Saturday refers to the god Saturn, etc. Even months of the year: August is the month of Augustus Caser, a roman emperor. July is the month of Julius Caesar. And of these roman emperors were known as Ponifex Maximus, living gods. Even the pagan term Pontifex was adopted into Christianity; even the pope today still goes by the title of Pontifex. The fact that a thing has paganistic origin does not make that thing inherently wrong; it is that attitude with which we approach those things that make it right or wrong. Here, names are just for identification, be they names of days, months, etc. You wont burden yourself with guilt for calling a day Thursday, Saturday. etc. as long as you don't really worship these gods.

With this knowledge, right attitude, and spiritual maturity, one can celebrate Easter(resurrection of nature) righteously or in a manner that is pleasing to God. Just as one can choose to celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25th; and there is nothing wrong with this, provided such a one is doing it with the right attitude. Actually we, as servants of God should strive to celebrate the birth of Jesus every minute of our lives and with each breath we take! With each breath we should vow to God to live exactly as Christ taught us; such is the correct way of celebrating the gift of His birth.

Thanks and remain blessed.

Marverick09:
@justcool, now it is very clear. This explanation is very refreshing. . . . There's one topic I am still a bit confused: Lucifer. As we know, Parsifal is the Pure Gate through which all radiations from the divine come into creation. So how did Lucifer's fall take place, in what form since he did not descend into creation in person but only his radiation or volition could take on form. Does that now mean that he is still in divine? Or how........? Who is then in deepest depths of material creation?

@Marverick09

Thanks for your questions.

With his failure, Lucifer lost all connection or foothold in the Divine substantial sphere and he sank below creation. Like all that was sent to work in the world of matter, it was his volition that took on form and worked in the various worlds of matter; while he, himself, remained outside the worlds of matter. It was while working in matter that this volition(radiation or embodiment) of his devised means that are contrary to the will of God. And of course the resultant is that this volition(embodiment) changed in vibration. This alien vibration reciprocally reaches up to the source(Lucifer outside creation), causing him to sink.

When he failed, he fell below the world of matter, indeed below the entire creation. Having originated above creation made it possible for him to fall below creation. Hence he is at a place where no creature that originated in creation can descend. All that originated in creation are bound to creation, and can never leave creation. No creature originating in creation can cross the boundary and enter the Divine realm; neither can such a creature descend beyond the lowest point of creation and enter into depth where Lucifer is. Hence when shown to the blessed one, Is-ma-el(John the Baptist), who was allowed to see and report happenings in creation, this depth appears as a bottomless pit; hence, in the Revelation of John, we have the very apt description of Lucifer being in a bottomless pit.

When a man fails he falls into the darker and lower planes of the beyond. But these very low planes of the beyond, which do not have to exist, are still a part of creation; they are still within creation. No man, no matter how evil can fall below the lowest border of creation into the depth where Lucifer is. This is part of the reason why the task of binding Lucifer was reserved to Parsifal whose core, coming from Imanuel, originated far above creation; and hence based on the lawfulness He carried the ability to descend far below creation. The higher a being can rise, the lower it can fall too. Hence, based on this simple lawfulness, if Jesus or the son of man had failed, they would have fallen deeper or lower than Lucifer; this is because they originated higher above Lucifer.

Even after the fall of Lucifer, his volitions (embodiments of his volition) remained in subsequent creation causing havoc. However, Lucifer’s volition has never incarnated physically into the earth. Earthly mankind could pick up radiations (suggestions) from Lucifer (through his volition that sometimes that he projects in to the astral planes) without needing to see him physically or in body of flesh and blood.

The question that people often ask is “where is this place that Lucifer fell into? Is there such a place as outside creation that is not Divine substantiate sphere?” This question was also asked earlier in this thread but I didn’t perceive the need to go into details then; hence, I answered it without giving a detailed explanation. But now I will. And the answer is as follows.

Existence is not limited to God, the Devine substantiate sphere, and creation. If we need to form a right conception of it we must not limit God within the confines of existence. There is only God and His radiation. What we call existence is only the radiation of God! Hence there is God and existence; just as God’s radiation is dependent on Him and not vice versa, existence is dependent on God, but God is not dependent on existence.

Before creation came into being, existence only comprised of the Divine substantiate sphere and the void beyond its border. The Divine substantiate sphere, being the immediate radiation of God, comprises many planes starting from the first plane where we find the four winged animals, to the last plane where we find the elders in the Grails castle at the border. At this border or furthest point stands the Grail castle which houses the actual Grail, a vessel where the radiations are gathered and in becoming stronger due to unification, these radiations can then flow back. Hence one can say that at this furthest point the radiations are held back from penetrating further. Beyond this bother lies void or nothingness. People have often wondered what this void is.

This void is also a part of the radiation of God. What was held back at the Grail castle at the border of the Devine is the creative ability in the radiations, or the creative radiations. Hence beyond this border of the Devine sphere, radiations of God continued to endless distances, but beyond the border of the Devine substantiate sphere there was not possibility of creatures emerging or forms emerging, condensing or precipitating from the radiation because the radiations beyond this Divine substantiate borders lacks the creative ability which was held back at the Grail castle. Hence the radiation beyond this border is called void, formless, or nothingness.

Hence for creation to come into being, a part of Imanuel, Who is the creative Will of God, had to descend to this Grail castle at the border of the Divine, and from there he radiated outside into the void, allowing creation to come into being outside the border of the Divine substantiate sphere. As creation is limited, it cannot fill the entire void outside the Divine substantiate sphere. Hence beyond the borders of creation, going downwards lies this void.

It was inside this void that Lucifer fell when he was cast of the Divine, or when he cut himself of the Divine. I have already explained that no human being can fall into this void, because such will entail going beyond the border of creation. No creature can go beyond the border of creation, neither in upwards direction into the Divine substantiate nor in the downwards direction into the void that existed before creation came into being. The dark planes into which evil men fall lies within creation, it is part of the non-physical planes. These planes are actually astral planes. Just as the atmosphere surrounds the earth, both in upwards and downwards directions; the astral planes surround the physical also both in upwards and downwards direction. Hence there are parts of the astral planes that are above the physical and hence lighter , more beautiful and more mobile than the physical; there are also parts of the astral plane that is below the physical, further from the Light than the earth is, and hence it is dark, ugly, and more rigid. Hell is one of such planes.

Just as God has unavoidable radiation, indeed all that is living has a certain degree of radiation that is unavoidable. Lucifer also has an unavoidable radiation which forms the plane where he is within the void that is below creation. From this plane or kingdom of his, he projects himself, his volitions, or embodiments of his principles into subsequent creation. Through his volitions, he can only tempt, lure, or whisper to mankind; but based on the law of creation he cannot force anybody to do anything, he cannot overrule man’s gift of free-will. Hence those that fall victim to his suggestion are fully guilty before the laws of God. And also, man stands more firmly rooted in material creation than Lucifer does, like I explained, he stands outside creation.

Parsifal has destroyed all his volitions. The ones that remain today in the dark planes of creation are the ones that victims of his principle created. Those humans that Lucifer lured into becoming evil, their works(Evil thoughts, words, and intentions) also take on evil forms in the dark planes of the beyond. These evil works embody the principle of Lucifer, and having been created by mankind, they have to be eradicated by mankind themselves. Only one above creation can descend below it into the plane of Lucifer and bind. Parsifal has done this already. He (Parsifal) has also given mankind the knowledge of how to live in order to rid themselves and their environment of the influences of Lucifer. Hence gradually creation is bound to recover from the injury Lucifer inflicted on it.

Hence Lucifer is neither in the Divine substantiate sphere, where he originated, nor in the deepest depth of material creation. Lucifer is outside the worlds of matter; even though through mankind his principles flourish here in the worlds of matter, especially in the dark planes of the world of matter. The Grail message made it very clear that Lucifer is outside the world of matter.

Your question is very deep, and I have cloaked the answer in words that can be easily understood, yet remaining in accord with the Truth. Read the lectures, ‘Mystery of Lucifer’ and ‘World Events’ in the Grail message. To fully understand the coming into being of creation, read, ‘Let There be Light’ in Resonances to the Grail Message.

Thanks and remain blessed.

Marverick09:
@justcool, is one safe to say that the volition of Imanuel Who is enthroned in the Divine part of the Grail Castle gave birth to another Son of Man who was raised in the Primordial Spiritual plane also named Imanuel, while the the Volition of Parsifal also a personality in the first incarnation on earth. Can it be said they are four but yet ONE in their working

@Marverick
Thanks for your question. It is my perception that there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the above, as long as the individual understand that it is one Imanuel that works in all of them. And also, what you described is two fold activity of Imanuel, not four. Parsifal is one activity of Imanuel, while the son of man that incarnated in creation is another activity of the same Imanuel. The volition of Parsifal is an extension of Parsifal and not a different ray or activity from Imanuel. That personality is rather an extension of Parsifal. Also, it was the volition of the son of man in Primordial spiritual Sphere that descend into the physical body of Parsifal on earth during the time of most sacred fulfilments on earth. This is the only way through which higher beings incarnate in a physical body, only through their volitions; since no physical body can carry such beings in their entirety. Even when a primordial spirit incarnates on earth, it is only his volition that takes on form and incarnates. This is an ability that that human spirits do not posses.

It is a reflection of the Trinity, where one God works in three ways. There is only one God. When the volition arouse in Him to let creation come into being; this volition of His, His creative will, or His holy spirit, took on form and created. Hence we have the biblical figurative description, “And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.”
Hence consequently God became twofold: (1)God the father, and (2)Imanuel(The Holy spirit).
When subsequent creation, the world of matter, specifically Ephesus, was in great danger of destruction; mankind in Ephesus have driven it beyond the point where prophets or Primordial spirits could help; God Himself had to intervene. Out of love a volition arouse in Him to save Ephesus. This volition took on form and incarnated in creation. This is Jesus.
Hence at this point God became threefold: (1) God the father, (2) God the Holy Spirit, Imanuel, and (3) God the son, Jesus.
However, God remained one! There is only one God. The sons can be likened to parts or activities. One God works two activities: (1) Creating and maintaining creation, and (2) Savior of sequent creation. Just as each activity you do requires a part of your body; you can use one hand to hold your plate of food and another to feed a child. Yet both hands are yours and it is only one you that is doing both activities. Each hand only embody or act a will(volition) of yours.

Since saving subsequent creation is a one time activity, after completion of this activity Jesus retuned to God the father. Although He remained personal, He is the inborn son(part) of God, the part that remains with God Himself.

Creation requires sustenance, it requires that Imanuel, the creative will of God stay outside of God and span a bridge between God, Divine substantiality and Creation; creation will be lost without this bridge. Hence a volition arouse in Imanuel to be anchored outside of God. This volition, part or vessel of Imanuel is Parsifal. The coming into being of Parsifal, who bears an unsubstantaite core from out of Imanuel, does not make God four fold; God remained a trinity. This is because Parsifal is just a part of the creative volition Imanuel. He is part of one of the three activities and not a new totally different activity. Hence after the volition or word of God, “Let there be Light” took on form as Imanuel; the volition, “Let the Light be anchored!” arouse from Imanuel and took on form; and this volition is Parsifal.
Hence at this point, Imanuel became two fold in His working: One remains within the Divine substantiate border, and the other, Parsifal beyond this border. Cosmic distances from the Light of Imanuel in Parsifal, creation came into being; starting from the Primordial spiritual part. Hence Parsifal is the pure gate that leads from Divine to creation; the first to come into being in creation, i.e. Primordial creation. Hence the Kingdom of Parsifal extended only up to the creation or the spiritual creation, excluding subsequent creation.

Afterwards subsequent creation developed or precipitated from creation, human spirit seeds that could not develop to full human spirits in creation sank into subsequent creation in their quest for consciousness. Having originated from the Kingdom of God, i.e. the spiritual planes or the Kingdom of Parsifal, the human spiritual will became the ruling force in subsequent creation. Everything simply had to submit to or adjust to the will of man; since this will is the only spiritual force in subsequent creation. Even the elementals who up till them had worked in matter unhindered now stood to a certain extent, based on the law of creation, under the will or influence of man. Hence with the fall of man, everything developed wrongly in subsequent creation. The resultant is the world as we have it today.
To make matters worse, before the fall of man, who Lucifer was sent to support the spirits seeds developing in subsequent creation failed. The means that he devised for this support was, although consistent in justice, was lacking in love. The Luciferian principle of temptation, is not really unjust, however it lacks love; because although it can encourage the strong to get stronger, it offers no support to the weak. This principle facilitated the fall of man, and hence Lucifer who sent to wait hand and foot on the slowly developing humans spirits became, analogically speaking, a wolf sent to guard sheep. Consequently Lucifer failed and lost his connection to Light activity. Mankind quickly chose the Luciferian will which has an affinity to the intellect, over the Will of God which they can only perceive or divine with their intuition, it is to a certain extent incomprehensible to the intellect.


Let’s digress a little here. Just look around you, you will easily recognize how the Luciferian principle of temptation and setting of snares makes a lot of sense to the intellect. This is how earthy law enforcement agencies work. Think about the police for example! If they want to capture drug buyers, they send undercover cops pretending to be drug sellers in order to entrap buyers! Here in Los Angeles, often undercover cops pretend to be pimps in order to catch prostitutes; an undercover police officer may offer a girl a huge sum of money for sex, only to arrest the girl when she accepts it. While the law outlawing prostitution and drug dealing is noble, the means that the police employ to catch offenders is wrong. This means (setting snares for offenders) is indeed a very effective method but it lacks love and thereby contrary to the will of God. Imagine a man struggling to free himself from the chains of drug addiction. On his way to work he is approached by an undercover officer who offers him drug at a cheap rate. This is temptation, an unfair violation of his addiction or weakness! If he fails and buys the drug, uniformed cops will immediately appear from their hiding places and arrest him and throw him in jail. Sometimes in order to infiltrate a gang of drug dealers, an undercover cop may resort to joining the gang, pretending to be a member until he wins their trust and they admit him into the fold. However to win this trust, he will have to play along with them; this may involve him selling drug to them, or for them, even doing drugs with them! Finally when he gains their trust and they admit him into their fold, he relays their secrets to the police. They get busted and go to jail, while he goes free or is even given an award for his courage.This appears just; these cops who employ these means even give themselves airs, thinking they are doing humanity a big favor. But before the laws of God, the man who offers another man drug is guilty! The undercover cop is as guilty as the gang members.
Sometimes female undercover cops have resorted to pretending to be prostitutes and offering men their bodies in exchange for money, once the man accepts the offer and pays her money, uniformed cops will emerge from their hiding places and arrest the man. People ague that this is not unfair because the girls don't let the men go all the way, they don't go as far as actually completing with the men. People praise them for helping to get pimps off the streets. However, before the laws of creation, these girls are as guilty as the men they entrap! Dressing like a prostitute and standing by the road side is already an unfair setting of snare to men who have such weakness. By dressing in such ways, these so called "hero cops" instigate lust in men! Many a man who otherwise do not think of such things, over time of seeing these "heroes" by the street side start to indulge or entertain such thoughts. And those who are struggling with immorality are not helped at all. Some who perhaps the other man may have succeeded in weaning themselves off their lustful addiction, after being bombarded everyday with this indecency, they finally give up or let go of themselves!
The healthy way to go would be to remove all temptations, not to using it to entrap weak people. The cops should arrest drug dealers, prostitutes, etc., but they(the cops) should never set traps for them or pretend to be them. The cops should never provide or offer people opportunity to indulge in their weakness so as to arrest them; rather they should remove all such opportunities. This is the love and support that the struggling ones need.

This idea of setting snares makes a lot of sense to the intellect, and hence to majority of mankind and almost in all countries it is acceptable. But the Divine principle of lovingly waiting for all the weak ones to mature, by removing all temptations from their way and supporting and encouraging them towards changing for the better, sounds too farfetched and impracticable to humanity who have limited themselves to only intellectual perception. And such help cannot be offered by the intellect or by a man who has limited himself to the intellect; its simply Impractical to him. Such help can only come from the spirit; as true love can only emanate from the spirit, never the intellect.


Returning to the matter at hand. It was expected that mankind as they mature will have an uplifting effect on matter, gradually making subsequent creation a reflection of the creation or primordial creation. And it was promised, that at the end of their period of development, at the end of the time allotted to them for development, when all of them should have been matured and ready for Paradise, Parsifal, from whose kingdom they left will visit to personally bring judgement. This period in the in the time allotted mankind for development, when that particular material universe is transitioning from maturity to over-ripeness, is called the cosmic turning point. Hence for this visit, Parsifal’s volition took on form and traveled across creation gathering experience and restoring other where disturbance sought to arise. Hence it was Parsifal who was on earth approximately 3000 thousand years ago, around the time that Moses was on earth too. His first visit to earth was to prepare Himself for His later visit during cosmic turning point.

However, the influence of Lucifer’s fall, also affected the spiritual creation or sphere, due to the fact that spirits seeds that descended into matter from it, no longer return back. Consequently a hemorrhaging resulted which like a bleeding wound on the physical body, weakened creation or the spiritual sphere. Hence it became necessary for this sphere to receive a closer connection to Divinity unsubstantiate, to perpetually mediate power to spiritual so that no weakening can occur again. Or in other words, it became necessary to build a new bridge between creation and Divine unsubstantiality. For this a volition arouse in Imanuel(the son of man) in the Divine substantiate sphere and incarnated into the Primordial spiritual sphere. This is the incarnation that Isaiah reported while on earth.

The incarnation of the son of man into creation and the visit of Parsifal through His volition do not make God four fold or five fold. It does not constitute a new activity of God the father, rather they are extensions or splitting originating from one activity: “Let there be Light.” In other words, they are activities resulting from the creative will of God; they Immanul, Parsifal, Son of man all result from one arm of God. Hence God remains a trinity. Hence one can say that in creation, the activity of Imanuel two fold (son of man and Parsifal), or even three fold if we consider the activity embodied in Maria, but above creation they all unite into one, Imanuel in the Divine part of the Grail castle. All these embodiments are a rays emanating from Him, through which he works different activities independently in creation. And even, there may be more in the future; remember that Imanuel also works through Maria above creation. And Maria also works in creation though a vessel.

Just as the different component colors of white light when united becomes white again. During the period of most sacred fulfillments on earth, all these embodiments or activities of Imanuel were united in one person. This unification had to proceed gradually otherwise the physically body will be able to bear it; hence, first it was Parsifal in His volition, then afterwards the son of man gradually also entered. Then out of this person glowed the white light of Imanuel. From this full radiation of Imanuel glowing out of this person on earth, Maria and Irmingard were able to make use of the two cloaks prepared for them on earth. When earthly mankind could not handle it any more, nor could they make use of the powers, under which they threatened annihilate each other, it became necessary that Imanuel should depart. Then the radiations of love(Maria) and prurity(Irmingard) that emanated from Him gradually withdrew back to Him; and finally the in intensification the physical body gave way. And this bowl of white light departed this earth.

One can say that each activity is an embodiment, that works separately, and yet they are all one. Or each activity is worked through an embodiment. Yet it only one, Imanuel, that work in all of them. Hence Parsifal is one with the son of man, just as Jesus is one with Imanuel.

This is my perception. Feel free to disregard them, if they don’t resonate within you.

Remain blessed.

Marverick09:
@justcool, please can I share your explanations on my facebook wall?? I will glad to.

@ Marverick09

You are welcome to do so.

Speer:

Hello @all,

"The faster a planet rotates, the closer it orbits the sun; the slower it rotates the further from the sun it will orbit. The same is applicable to the universes. Those that make spiritual movement, although still material, will move closer to the Light; while those that are sluggish, will descend further from the Light. I have answered this question already in this thread; I remember using numbers to explain it."

The post Justcool is referring to is on page 0 of this thread (somewhere in the first quarter section).

In order to avoid confusion; and to speak in the language of science. In the above, the ‘rotation’ I meant is not the planet’s rotation around its axis, but rather the planet’s rotation around the sun. This rotation around the sun is called revolution by scientist. Hence the faster a planet travels around the sun, the closer it orbits the sun. The slower it travels around the sun, the further from the sun it will orbit. This is has been observed and confirmed by science, as science has measured the orbital velocities of the planets. Here science is applicable because we are talking about something within its range of activity.

For those who understand the language of science, the concept of orbital velocities of planets and their distances to the sun is explained very well in the following website:
http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/orbital.htm

This concept can be applied to the enter world of matter, as I have already explained.

Speer:

@Justcool,

Thank you again...............esp. for the egs and illustrations.
One could say that thanks to the shenanigans of the Ephesians (us), the Light has perforce come to this part of the gross material world thrice. The resulting highest-purity spiritual forms of the Truth that have as a result come into existence in the Primordial Spiritual sphere(s) are now available to "draw upon" by the spirit "citizenry" of the other material universes at lower stages of development (if they develop arightly). So the Ephesians are leaving behind some form of a positive legacy .

Yes other universes can draw from the Truth brought by the Light activity; however the good legacy, if considered correctly, was left by the Light and not us or our shenanigans. Rather than saying thanks to our shenanigans, I will say thanks to the Light for His ever watchful love.

Speer:

Inquiry into organ transplants:

Is this fundamentally[i][/i] against the Laws of Creation?

I think not b/c the knowledge for this has been granted to mankind but as with almost all things that were/are willed by the Light for humanity, the present final form of its earthly practice is not the perfect way it was supposed to be but only an imperfect or caricature form of what was intended------------this is my perception. All Grail Movement ppl I have talked to (two in number) are against this practice however.

Perhaps the level of homogeneity, physical and otherwise, required (between the ppl involved) for this to be done aright requires very deep levels of intuition to discern that is at present just not available to humankind or the Called/gifted ones with this ability are not around.
I do consider the act of donating organs to be a loving/ennobling one and hence the inquiry on whether this is fundamentally against the Laws of Creation?

As always, no hurries. Only answer if/when you feel moved to do so. Replies from anyone welcome.

Have an insightful week.

What is fundamentally wrong in the practice is the attitude and ignorance of both the practitioners, the organ donors and receivers. And by this ignorance, I mean Ignorance about the laws of creation, the process of death and the existence of the soul. One who cannot completely survey the process of death (separation of body from the soul) should not interfere with the process, because he will bring only harm and catastrophe to the person in the process.

Many people are ignorant of the process of death. Even some believers believe that dead people are sleeping(resting) and waiting for the resurrection day when Christ will come to judge all; hence the popular slogan: Rest in Peace. Some people do not know anything about the soul as being a distinct entity from the body, neither do they know anything about the process of this separating; hence they think that once they are clinically dead they become totally unaware of the goings-on around them. To them, it doesn’t matter what you do to the body, they believe that on the Day of Judgment Christ will miraculously make the body whole again and call all the dead to awaken for judgment; this is their understanding of the promise that All that is dead in Creation shall be awakened so that it may pass judgment on itself. The resultant is that neither the organ donor and the doctor, nor the recipient knows what the donor will go through during the process.

I have already earlier explained that the process of death is like the process of giving birth. Both process are actually very alike; this is why creation is simple and easy to understand, every observable physical process is actually a reflection of a certain process in the unobservable or beyond. Let’s liken the womb to be the physical body, then the placenta will be likened to the astral body, while the baby itself is the actual soul (spirit wearing the ethereal body as the outermost cloak). Now when the baby exists the womb, it comes out with the umbilical cord still attaching it to the placenta, which is still in the womb. Moments later the placenta also comes out; however, this separation of placenta from the womb cannot be forced, you can’t pull out the placenta while the baby is still attached it. Therefore, once the baby comes out, the first thing the doctor does is to cut the umbilical cord, freeing the baby from the placenta which at that point is still inside the womb. It is very important that the umbilical cord is cut, and the baby freed from the placenta before trying to get the placenta out of the womb too. Now this separation of placenta from the womb can take minutes when everything is working perfectly; however in some cases, it can take hours, even days! This is a very delicate period in the process as bleeding can occur and some women have died due to this delayed separation and bleeding that results from forced separation of the placenta from the womb. Sometimes doctors resort to massaging the woman’s stomach so that the placenta will separate and exit too. Then in about a month after successfully giving birth and shading the placenta, the walls of the womb cleans itself out by discharging the uterine lining during mensuration. This is the end of the process.

Now death is exactly the same. The man dies, the soul pulls the astral body(placenta) out of the physical body(womb); however, the soul is still very attached to the astral body through the nonphysical umbilical cord called silver cord. And the astral body(placenta) is not really yet fully separated from the physical body(womb); since immediately after death, the astral must remain in the vicinity of the physical body as they as still held together by radiations. Indeed they are like an object and its shadow. The astral body being the object, and the physical the shadow. Hence the soul at this point is like a baby newly born, but still connected to the placenta(astral body) that has not separated from the womb(physical body). And in this case there is no doctor around to cut this connection which must be difficult and unbearable to soul(baby). This is why we have rites performed by called ones during a person’s death or immediately after; the prayer or rites performed by a called one has the possibility of dissolving this connection, freeing the soul from the cumbersome attachment to the astral body. However, today men have lost the right manner of performing this act, and they have also lost its significance; it has degenerated to the concept of ‘Blessing of the dead’. But what’s the point of blessing a discarded physical body?? Today everything is directed to the physical, no attention is given to the soul struggling to free itself from the discarded body! But let’s not digress.

Returning to the issue at hand. Imagine a doctor who cannot see babies, a doctor blind to babies helping a woman through the process of labor. This doctor is actually totally ignorant of what is really going on, he can only see the womb of the woman; to him labor is just a process that will end with the discharging of the uterine lining or mensuration. Hence as soon as the woman goes into labor, which will eventually end with discharging of the uterine lining or mensuration, he begins to harvest the uterine lining of the womb in order to transplant it to another person. Of course he has to start this harvesting early, before the uterine lining gets discharged (or organs to be transplanted starts to decay). Even though labor has started, indeed the water has broke, but the baby is still in the womb and still attached to the placenta inside the womb. Since the doctors knows nothing about the existence of the baby which he can neither see nor hear, he goes ahead and starts harvesting the uterine wall. What then will happen to the baby?? It will definitely be hurt in the process. By the same token, even though the process of death has started, indeed the person is already clinically dead, but the soul is still fully connected to the astral body which has still not yet separated from the physical body. Just as the placenta, in some cases, may take hours to separate from the womb, in some cases the astral body takes a long time to separate from the physical body. In such cases the departing ones experience prolonged death struggle, he feels all the pains of the dying body due to prolonged connection of the astral body to the dying physical body; hence depending on the tautness of this connection, the soul will still feel the pains of all the goings-on in the physical body. He will feel the pains of organ harvest just as a man will feel it when an organ is being cut off his body while he is fully alive and awake. The resultant is that such a soul will be so scarred and injured that it may take him a very long time to regain his composure, recover from the psychic shock and resume his journey.

I hope you understand the above analogy. The doctor blind to babies represents the doctors of today that are blind to the souls; they only perceive the physical. This doctor sees labor is just a process that will end with the discharging of the uterine lining or mensuration. Just as many doctors today see death as just end of the life of the physical body, the discharging of the physical body; not knowing that death is actually the birth of the soul into the beyond. The womb represents the physical body while its parts, i.e. the uterine lining represent the organs or the body to be harvested. The placenta represents the astral body, while the baby itself represents the soul.

Hence if most organ donors know the pain they will go through, they will opt out of it. Also if the recipients know what the donor will go through, out of love they will not allow any dying person to donate. The same is applicable for doctors; if they know what the put dying donors through, they will not advice it, and neither will they practice it. If after knowing all these, one still chooses to donate an organ, out of love, then I cannot condemn him.

However if one is called for that purpose, one who can fully survey the entire process of death; and most importantly one who has the ability to correctly perform the right of passage from physical to beyond, i.e. one who can help in faster severance of the silver cord. Then such a one may be able to harvest an organ without much damage done to the departed.

Donating an organ, like a kidney or a lung, while alive is better than donating after the so called clinical death; since in the case of donating while alive, doctors can help in alleviating the pain through pain killers, anesthetic drugs, etc.

However again, this type of medicine will not lead mankind upwards, rather it will lead them downwards. Frist, we still do not know how to give; we still give out of sympathy or pity which is wrong and very different from the compassion which Christ embodied and spoke about. Compassion comes from the spirit, it places what benefits the spirit above all else; while sympathy emanating from the intellect and emotions of the physical body places gratification above all; it just wants to make the needy happy and free him from whatever that ails him. I will give an example, a man damages his kidney due to excessive drinking and taking recreational drugs, and becomes sick, requiring a kidney transplant. A sympathizer will offer this sick man a kidney, believing that he has helped the sick man. However what this sympathizer has done is wrong and brings neither him nor the sick man any real benefit. A man with compassion wills rather advice the sick man to change his bad drinking and drug taking habit. Only when he is sure that after receiving a new kidney, the sick man will not revert to his bad habit, will the compassionate one consider giving him a kidney. Otherwise he will gladly let the sick man die. This is love as only death will awaken the man’s spirit to change. You must not think that Jesus healed every sick person He saw on earth; neither did He bring every dead person He was back to life. He only healed those who such healing will help their spiritual accent; and He only raised the dead who in so doing will be helped spiritually.

Secondly, soon people will start killing others for their organs. Or people will start selling their organs just to make money. The rich will gladly ravel in their bad habits knowing they can afford to buy and replace any failing organ. The resultant is that man continues on his folly against nature and the law of creation which will give every individual a healthy life if adhered to.

Hence the right path to health is natural living and living in accord with the laws of God. If mankind follow this way, the need for organ transplant will not arise in the first place. Most of the ailments that torment mankind today stem from our rebellion against nature and the laws of creation. Nature heals! A true healer will never separate himself or his practice from nature.

Despite all, one individual cannot reverse the graves of wrong doing that the entire mankind has dug for thousands of centuries. Hence if an individual, out of love, decides to give one of his healthy organs to his friend, brother, or partner, I cannot say that he did wrong. Especially if the one needing it didn’t damage his own out of bad habit. As you already know, in every issue, the underlining spiritual motive carries the most weight.

I hope this helps.

Thanks and remain blessed.

Tobakunn:
@Justcool, thanks for your explanations.

I deduced from the above explanations that the guilt of the death of the Son of God rests on the inhabitants of the Earth seeing as it occurred here, hence, the guilt must return here reciprocally.

The above explanations, in addition with the one concerning the manifestation of the Word of the Son of God in the Ethereal world have also given me an idea as to how the Word will manifest in the other universes.

Gratitude for your help sir.

Your deduction is quite correct. Thanks for your kind words, but gratitude should be directed to God, and not to me.

Tobakunn:
Peace and blessings to you.

This is most gracious of you. The reciprocal affect this will bring peace and blessings to you too.

Remain blessed.

Speer:

@Justcool,

My next inquiries are on the seven universes in Material Creation:

--Following the principle of "as above, so below"----------how are they related to the seven planes of Primordial Creation (i.e. if they are)?

The power that sustains the material creations are passed down from Primordial creation, where the ideal prototypes of all spirits are. Every human spirit in subsequent creation carries the potential of becoming a spiritual copy of one of these ideal prototypes who are Primordial spirits. The entire material creation can become a reflection of Primordial creation; but for this, the harmonious working of the spiritual and the substantiate is required. It is the failure of the spiritual (human spirits in material creation) that has so far prevented material creation from becoming a reflection of Paradise.

Each part of material creation carries the potential of becoming a copy or reflection of a part of Primordial creation. Through chains of radiation each part of the material creation is under the radiation of a particular Primordial being. Each planet is under the protection of a being, a substantiate being who in turn is under the radiation of another higher one, and it goes step by step, link by link all the way to Primordial creation. Consequently each part of the earth swings predominantly in a particular radiation, which can be traced up, through links of substantiate beings, to Primordial creation. For example, all the elementals that weave what we call nature in Africa are answerable to one who is in charge of the entire Africa, and who in turn is answerable to the one in charge of the entire earth. By the same token, the elementals that work in Europe are answerable to the one in charge of the entire Europe, who in turn is answerable to the one in charge of the entire earth. Hence each planet, each solar system, each galaxy and even each universe has a substantiate being in charge of it or under whose radiation it predominantly swings. Even the entire material sphere has a being in charge of it, who is then answerable to Mercury, the lord of all the forces of the elements. All the substantiate forces that work in the elements, for example swing predominantly in the radiation of Mercury, who is one of the first four Primordial spirits in creation, and who in turn swings partly in the radiation of the Eagle at the steps of the unsubstantiate Divinity.

Hence all the seas, all the lands, all the atmospheres, of a particular continent have respective types of elementals, conscious animistic(substantiate) beings that work in them. All arranged in hierarchical order reaching up to the hierarchal Mercury in Primordial creation.

The radiation of Africa is different from that of America, for example; this is evidenced in the products or fruits of the lands or continents. Fruits, Plants, animals, and people from Africa, look different from those from America, for example. Here we are talking about products that evolve from the region and not those that are taken from another region. You cannot say that this explanation is wrong because white Americans today look almost exactly like the Europeans. This is so, because today’s white Americans are descendants of Europeans who invaded America and formed their country in America; hence they are in reality fruits of Europe. The same is applicable to black Americans, who are products of Africa. Along with this confusion resulting from invasion, is also the another confusion resulting from mixing.

This does not mean that all fruits of a particular region are the same. Within each region, there is also a reflection of the entire spectrum of radiations; however each region is also a reflection of one radiation or swings predominantly in one radiation. Hence creation is an interplay of different radiations or colors that if kept pure could result in picture of indescribable beauty. Everything in creation is already a combination, interplay or a certain mixing of radiations; only above, in the Divine do we have beings that swing only in one radiation, hence the concept of purity is reserved to the Divine.

Just as with the substantiate, all that is spiritual swing, to a certain extent and through series of links of spirits, in the radiation or force field of the primordial spirit called Od-shi-mat-no-ke, who is the most ideal spirit in creation, and who in turn swings in the radiation of the Lamb at the Divine steps of the unsubstantiate Divinity. Every male human spirit in the world of matter can become a spiritual copy (although never a perfect copy) of the radiations of one of the first four Primordial Spirits: Od-shi-mat-no-ke , Leilak, the Lion, and Mercury. By the same token, each female spirit in the material sphere can become a living copy of one of the virtues embodied in the Primordial Queen. These virtues are anchored in creation through a series or links of beings who swing in her radiation. The Substantiate being (conscious Animistic being) who the ancients called Astate(Venus) is the lowest in the links of embodiments of the Primordial queen, the moon and the planet Venus are under her force field. But in the case of spirits, free will comes in! Each spirit developing himself decides on which radiation to predominantly swing in or embody. This he does through the choice of abilities he develops; for each spirit seed carries all abilities (radiations) lying dormant within it. But as the spirit develops, he gets to a point where he can consciously and feel the pull or the attraction of a particular radiation; he gets to a point where he can discern which radiation(quality) he is mostly inclined to, or a point where he can tell which radiation he predominantly swings in. The human spirit can also decide not to develop any of his qualities and in the long run he becomes a rejected or stagnant stone that must be crushed by the mechanism of creation which does not allow stagnancy.

As above so below! The entire creation swings in the radiation of Imanuel which manifests in a spectrum of seven major divisions/types/wavelengths. Just as white light is made up of seven colors, each sphere of creation can be divided into seven planes, each plane can be divided into seven parts, etc. Indeed the entire creation can be divided into seven major or basic spheres. Seven is a very important number in creation, it unlocks so many mysteries to those who know the Will of God in creation; for seven is the number whose force field correspond to the Will of God.

Speer:

--Are they all on the same, how to say it, "horizontal level"?

It depends on what you mean by “horizontal level”?

Is our entire earth on the same horizontal level? Is our entire solar system on the same horizontal level? Is our entire galaxy on the same horizontal level? Is our entire observable physical universe on the same horizontal level?

The faster a planet rotates, the closer it orbits the sun; the slower it rotates the further from the sun it will orbit. The same is applicable to the universes. Those that make spiritual movement, although still material, will move closer to the Light; while those that are sluggish, will descend further from the Light. I have answered this question already in this thread; I remember using numbers to explain it.

Each sphere can only manifest, take on form, at a particular distance from the light. Hence the entire world of matter can only take on form after a certain distance from the Life giving rays of Parsifal, i.e. after the Primordial spiritual, the spiritual, and animistic had already separated and taken on form. Yet within this particular distance where matter can exist lies a range! Matter cannot go above that range, neither can it go below it. Going below it the range is tantamount to through the funnel of disintegration which will disintegrate the world in question, for a new birth within the range; hence it is impossible for any material world, planet, and solar system, to exist below this range.

The seven universes are scattered within this range; those that are spiritually striving high are at the top part within the range; while those that are not are towards the bottom of the range. Spiritual activity brings movement, and movement brings buoyancy. By the same token, indolence of the spirit brings heaviness and rigidity, which in turn leads to distancing from the light.

I will give you examples:

Human beings only live in cities on the earth; human beings only have cities on the earth. Hence the earth’s atmosphere is the distance from the sun where humans can live. Yet within this earth. There are human cities, like those on the mountains, still on the surface of the earth, yet closer to the top of the atmosphere, therefore closer to the sun! There are cities inside valleys, and hence very far from the sun, yet they are still on the earth’s atmosphere! But whatever the case maybe, no city sexists outside or under the earth’s atmosphere. If one builds a city on top of the mountain, he will live healthily and happily because there will be plenty fresh are and sunlight to sustain him and his city. The reverse is also the case, where one builds a city under the earth, such a city is fated to death or destruction because it will lack sunlight and oxygen.

From this analogy, the earth’s atmosphere is the range of the distance from the light where matter can take on form or exist. The universes are scattered based on their behavior, across the range. Those striving towards the light will be at the top part of the range – they are the cities on the mountains. Those spiritually indolent will gravitate towards the bottom, until they hit the bottom of the range, where a further densification will drive them through the funnel of disintegration which will destroy and at the same time purify the material or basic constituents of their world so that then can be retained.

Imagine this statement: Fishes only live in the seas. Would you ask if the fishes are all on the same horizontal level? The sea itself, although being a level, has a range. There are fishes that swim at the top part of the sea; while others can only live at the bottom of the sea. Some species of fishes, due to thousands of years of being at the bottom have lost the ability to float to the top of the sea; hence they have their habitat towards the bottom of the sea. There are other species who have their habitat towards the top of the sea. Since everything in creation is in constant movement, even these will lower their habitat when then can’t maintain themselves at this level.
The material world is like the sea, while the habitats are like the planets (universes), and their fishes the human spirits on the planets.
The same can be said of the birds in the air. We have birds, like eagles that can deal with very high altitudes, and those that can deal with only medium altitudes. And finally we have those, like chickens who, over the course of evolution have lost the ability to fly due to lack of usage, and hence are bound to having their habitat at the bottom of the air. Despite their range of flight, they are all birds that operate in the air.

AL these are rough analogies though; but it gives you the idea. Just picture it to yourself; it’s very simple.

You can also imagine a plants and their orbits. Even though the planet is bound to its orbit, yet within that orbit there is a range. The earth is not always exactly at the same distance from the sun; sometimes it moves a bit closer, yet it is still within its orbital range.
Hence even though all matter is bound to orbit the Light (Parsifal) at a certain far distance, yet within this distance there is a range. The worlds closer to the light are more beautiful, light, and peaceful; even their gross material parts. Even in the coarsest gross material parts of such universes, beautiful, less ponderous, less rigid, lighter, and light filled. The inhabitants are bigger yet lighter, happier, healthier, more beautiful and live longer.

Speer:

--Is there any essential difference btw them?

Again, it depends on what you mean by the difference. The homogeneity is that they are all material and hence parts of the material sphere or subsequent creation.

Imagine an apartment complex with seven apartments inhabited by seven different families. If you go into each you will notice a different setting resulting from their choices. In one apartment you may find TV in the left corner of the living room, while in another one you may find it in the right corner. A third apartment may choose to put their TV in the bedroom. One may be neat while the next is squeaky clean. As always, with Spirits, choices come in! Especially when dealing undeveloped spirits; their choices may differ a lot.

Speer:

--In any of the Universes, is there more than one cosmic planet existing as a home for developing spirits?

Each one has at least one comic(coarsest gross material) planet for developing spirits. I wouldn’t say, “as a home” because even the earth is not our home. No spirit seed originated in any part of the world of matter. All spirit germs have their origin in the spiritual part of creation.

Speer:

--Given that all were addressed to in the Revelations of John, are they all facing the Judgement simultaneously?

No. They don’t face judgement simultaneously; they are each at a different stage of development.

Speer:

Have not been able to either intuitively or intellectually understand their existence and one reason for asking is this. Spirit germs are continually coming down from their "heimat" (Paradise homeland) to develop in Material Creation. Meanwhile, there is only a specific time period in the life-cycle of a selected Earth-like cosmic planet (located in a Universe) wherein it can accept completely fresh spirit germs. After this point is passed in the life-cycle of such a planet, where do the continually-arriving fresh spirit germs go?

---is it another "younger" selected Earth-like planet in the same Universe?

It is much simpler than you think. Imagine in all simplicity a watermill wheel like the one in the picture attached below.


If this waterwheel has only seven cups, it will make no difference. Water is continuously pouring into the cups as the wheel rotate. When one cup is full, it moves, giving room for the next. This is very simply. Theses seven parts of the world of matter or these seven universes are continuously spinning through the four cardinal points of birth, maturity, over-ripeness, and decay; just as the waterwheel in the video below is continuously spinning. Observe the waterwheel as they go through 306 degrees of rotation. The cups gets filled only when it is positioned at right under the water supplier! Let’s call this point 180 degrees, and this water is fated to be dumped by the time or before the cup gets to 360 degrees. Hence the each cup only makes half of its 360 degrees circulation with water on it, the remaining half(180 degrees) it makes empty. The same token, each material universe receives spirits when it is at the stage of maturity, and these spirits are fated to be thrown out by the time or before that universe reaches the stage of desolation. The spirits that have not being able to leave matter at this point are forcibly separated from matter; they are drawn into disintegration along with matter; and this disintegration separates them from matter. Hence each material universe, only goes half its cycle(from maturity to disintegration) with spirit germs in it. The rest, (Birth to maturity) it spines without any incarnation of spirit germs. Hence the earth has been in existence a long time before the first human spirits incarnated on it.

Just as each cup in the waterwheel gives way for the next as soon as it is filled with water, each material universe moves along on its revolution or journey as soon as it can no longer receive fresh spirit germs from paradise; it gives way for another one to enter the sport where fresh germs can incarnate into it. The process is perfectly coordinated and geared in such a way that as one is nearing the end of the period of its ability to receive spirit germs, another one is entering this period. As one is closing up, another one is opening up; this way there is no interruption or stagnation.

Speer:

Or if there is only one such cosmic planet in that Universe then perhaps the newly arriving germs go to a "younger" planet in another Universe. If so, then it would mean that the Universes themselves are not of the same age and at any point in time, each of the seven Universes are at different points of development in their material life-cycles.
However, given that the spirits/inhabitants in all the seven Universes or "churches" were addressed in the beginning of the Book of Revelations, one could assume that the reasoning in the last paragraph above is not correct.
Anyhow, that is the reasons for the questions initially listed above. In short, please want to know your perception and understanding about them.
No hurries, please respond only when or if you feel moved to do so and of course, at your own convenient earth-time.

Thanks and have a conscious week................

The fact that Revelation addressed all of them does not mean that they are the same age; neither does it mean that they will receive the message at the same time.

Imagine a man who has seven kids all in different levels of education. When the first one was nearing graduation, the man decided to send message to his kids or he calls them all together. To the one about to graduate, he may say, “study very had since your finals are in two months. If you fail, I will stop helping you.” To the second one, he may say, “start now that you are still in first year of university to study had. I notice you are weak on math, so pay special attention to it. Otherwise on your finals day you will fail”. To the third he may say, “I heard you make noise in class. Better start paying attention otherwise I will come to your school and slap you!” Etc

Hence a father can use an opportunity, such as the graduation of one of his kids to advice others and warn them about the future.

If you look into the messages sent to these universes you will that they are at different stages. The messages have praise, reproach, and advise, but are two that carried no reproaches or condemnations. These are the ones sent to Smyrna and Philadelphia. From this we can tell that these two universes are still in their golden ages, they have not done a lot of evil yet; hence they received only praises and advices. The earth (Ephesus) was once at this stage, before the fall of man.

Observe the attached video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWoxZzaiBU8#action=share

Thanks and remain blessed.

@Marverick09
Forgive me for retuning to this issue. I pray for help in some of these issues; this is part of the reason shy sometimes it takes long too reply. And sometimes the answer comes to me at an unexpected times. Hence I have to add this to what I wrote a few hours ealier.

I’m happy that you mentioned the text “The First Threads for the Bridge to the New Covenant.” Do you know that the answer to our puzzle lies in it. Too quote from it:

[b]“The Lord sent out the Son of Man as the cornerstone of the new bridge to Creation. Upon His entry into
Creation, which is at the highest boundary of the Pure-Spiritual of the Primordial Creation in the Grail
Castle, the mystery of connecting the Son of Man with the Pure-Spiritual was accomplished. As the mediator God chose the Primordial Mother Elisabeth who sits enthroned as Queen of womanhood for
the entire creation. She is he virgin who Isaiah prophesied would bring the Son of Man to Creation.

Thus for the fulfillment of this Divine prophecy the first thread was laid for the fabric of a new covenant
which God grants to the chosen humanity; it is the first pillar of the bridge to the Light for all who want
to be saved upon it. At the same time, however, it is the sword which separates everything, judging and
destroying all that is dark, protecting all that yearns for the pure Light.

A part of Him was separated so as to stand beside the Sword of Judgment as Maria, the embodiment of
the purest Divine Love, to heal the wounds that the sword must inflict on those who are are only to be
punished but not destroyed!

Thus one spirit works simultaneously through two human bodies on earth as in all world parts and on
high in the castle in the Pure-Spiritual sphere. Upon transition into the Divine sphere, however, both
parts must always unite to be as it was originally. Thus from God came – Imanuel.

Upon transition into the Pure-Spiritual sphere Elisabeth, the Primordial Mother of Creation, added a
Pure-Spiritual part. Then followed the mystery of the separation of Maria. Only then was it possible for
the actual mission to begin, since the Son of Man must remain free of karma in His high activity.”
(Abd-ru-shin)
[/b]
From the above we are meant to understand that Isaiah prophesized it when the son of man incarnated into creation. On the last paragraph He made it clear that the separation(bisection) of Maria happened(followed) after this incarnation or entrance into creation. Now when did this incarnation happen? It could only have happened at the time Isaiah prophesized it or after the prophecy, otherwise Abd-ru-shin would not have used the word prophecy. To prophesize means to give tidings of a future event! Hence at the time of Isaiah’s prophecy Maria had not yet come into being! And by the time Isaiah made this prophecy on earth, Moses and Abd-ru-shin had already been on earth centuries before. Or would you argue that Isaiah came before Moses?? Even if we say that it happened at the time Isaiah was prophesizing it on earth; it still falls within the timeline of after Parsifal's first incarnation. Isaiah was born when the Jews were already free from Egyptian captivity; hence centuries after Moses who freed the Jews from the captivity. And Moses and Parsifal live around the same time on earth.

Please carefully follow my train of thought here, it is not difficult to.

I repeat, I’m not writing this to discredit Rosilis or to persuade you to accept it. I’m only stating facts to you. It is up to you to reject or accept it; either way you can count on my love.

Thanks and remain blessed.

@ Marverick09

Thanks for your questions.

First, I will like to encourage you to not to leave this forum; please stay and ask any questions you may have. I don’t think that m_nwankwo in his post, was persuading you to refrain from asking questions, so please stay. And always point out things in my post that you do not understand. The Truth speaks for itself and it’s never afraid of being questioned.

Marverick09:
@Justcool indeed I throughly appreciate how you present your personal perceptions. If all Crossbearers and adherents do present their perceptions the way you do there would be less misunderstandings and disagreement among us. However, I have realized the importance of examining all books related to the Message from The Grail and then seek honestly to build my understanding. I know that virtually all the transmitted writings we have today are not precisely what they had in the proximity of Abdrushin. They have been truncated and so in many places there's been gap in our understanding of them. Like in the Message were certain concept have left out in the current edition. Those like you and I who have summoned the courage to look into the past edition can testify of this. I do understand that Roselis was one of those who penned down the transmitted writings in His proximity.

I know that there are many books that claim to be received in the proximity of Abd-ru-shin. Some of them were actually written after His earthly demise. I personally hold as authority only the ones received while He was on earth, and published by the same company that published His Grail message. He also alluded to them in a lecture in ‘Resonances to the Grail message.’ To further validate their truthfulness, He answered questions about one of them in ‘Questions and Answers,” when a question was sent to Him about the Incas. These are the forerunner series, ‘From Past millennia,’ and the 3 volumes of ‘Past Eras Awaken.’ I understand that their contents were tempered with after the departure of Abd-ru-shin; but the originals can easily be gotten. A lot of German cross bearers still have the original copies in German, and they are very generous with them, some upload them on line, and one can easily have a translator translate them.
For the sake of clearing some misconceptions, not to discredit Rosilis Von Saas, I do not think that Rosilis wrote any of her books while Abd-ru-shin was on earth. I believe her books came after the departure of Abd-ru-shin; She herself is an adherent of the 3 volume editions of the Grail message called edition of the last hand. I have come across some of her writings online, I only read them and decide for myself; I actually have a copy of one where she wrote that Oscar Ernst Bernhardt is a human spirit; the article is titled "Where is the home of Abd-ru-shin." It is circulating all over the internet; you might have read it. I don't think it is appropriate to upload it here, otherwise I would have done so. However, like I said, far be it from me to judge her and say she is wrong; that would be stepping beyond my limits as a human spirit. I will only always share my perception, you should only take what resonates within you and the rest you are very free to throw away.

About the issue of bisection, whether you believe that Cassandra came before Abd-ru-shin or vice-verse, it is still correct to say that Maria is a bisection of Imanuel in Parsifal, and that this bisection occurred after His first earthly advent. Remember that Maria with Divine unsubstantiate core remains in the Divine realm above Paradise; and works in creation through a vessel. I said clearly in my explanation that this Divine unsubstantiate Maria was given a vessel in creation. These vessels are not empty shelves, but living beings. Hence, this vessel could incarnate on earth before becoming a vessel for Maria; this vessel could have incarnated on earth before the unsubstantiated core in Parsifal bisected. Even, Nahome, at her first earthly incarnation had not become a vessel for Irmingard because at the time Irmingard was still just a Devine being, the spark of unsubstantiality had not be given to her.

Hence you don’t necessarily need to throw away the fact of Parsifal’s bisection, to hold on to Rosilis view that Cassandra incarnated first; they both do not really oppose each other. However to do so, you will have to agree that in her first incarnation she was not yet the vessel for the Maria the unsubstantiate Love of God.

Each individual should only take what resonates within him; always feel free to throw away any of my perceptions does not resonate within you; I remain a human spirit striving towards the light and hence can very well be wrong. The Grail message is the ultimate authority.

Marverick09:

So I would urge you not to categorical state with certainty that it was after Abdrushin that Casandra came. For we both were too sure about the Divinity of Frau Maria and Fraulein Irmingard on earth, only to realize that they were anchors. .

And I thank you for this. At this stage in development, I hold on to my perception on this issue; you should hold on to yours too. As we develop, one day will find out who is wrong; I pray that then, we will be allowed to share our realization to one another. Spiritual life is all about movement; some go through detours and bypaths, some may even hold on to a wrong view for a while. Hence I wish not to take away what you hold sacred. As long as we are really striving or experiencing, then no worries, we will one day arrive at the truth in this or any issues.

Marverick09:

I am forever learning and I only ask questions about things contradictions I do not understand. . .

This, I always encourages my readers to do. I actually appreciate it. Questions or challenges will never hurt me if I’m right in my views; it will only strengthen me if my views are right, your questions will only weaken them if they are not in accord with the Truth. Therefore by challenging or questioning me, you are helping me and my accent.

Marverick09:

The book about the Pyramid is a very insightful book. The first time I saw I didn't want examine it even I had the yearning to, but for the fact she formed her own group, hence I rejected it. It was after I actually read the Old version of The Message that I decided to actually examine every book and decide for myself, rather than follow popular belief. In the book we are made to understand that the top of the pyramid was made flat so that if mankind remains faithful till the time The Judge sets foot on earth, He will journey to egypt and personally place His Sign, the Cross of Truth on it. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Like I will always say; I do not intend to take away what you or anybody hold sacred or correct. Everything, books, and teachings that people hold or adhere to represent stages of spiritual development. I cannot tell you to throw it away and accept mine; all I will tell you is to experience it. By experiencing it you will mature to the Truth of what it really is. Since it resonates within you, it is a reflection of something within you, be it wrong or right, you will have to thoroughly experience it in order to see it as it really is. Therefore, my good friend, feel free to follow your heart.

Marverick09:
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Now that brings me to another question, the lecture Christmas says the Son of Man wasn't originally meant to descend to the earth, and yet all prophecies of His coming for the judgement spoke about His walking the earth in a human form. Does that mean He was supposed to conclude the judgememt from the clouds after which He would descend into the earth and lead the up building personally? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?. . . . . . . . . . But that changed when mankind committed the most grievous murder, that of Jesus. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Can you please throw more light according to your perception. For indeed you have wonderful insights I can benefit from. Thanks in anticipation of response.

Thanks for this very worthy question.
A lot of people have asked this question, indeed some even tried to discredit the Grial message bassed on the appeerant contradiction. Somebody pointed out that even the book ‘From Past Miliniea’ reported Abd-ru-shin telling Nahome about His next earthly incarnation to bring judgment, yet the Grail message said that it wasn't initially planed that the son of man will be on earth to bring judgment, that this became necessary after Jesus saw the failure of mankind and asked for it. This is a riddle that many have battled with.
It is my perception that the answer to this can also be found in the Grail message. One must come to terms that Immanuel, The son of man, Parsifal, although linked, are not exactly the same. Although sometimes these names are used interchangeably, but when it comes to Truth, one has to let go of words and absorb with his spirit. Not being able to do this is part of the reason why the message of Jesus concerning the Son of man was not understood; the listeners mixed two distinct people into one. The same way as we easily mix Imanuel, Parsifal, and the same.

What then is the difference? Imanuel is the son(part) of God; the creative will of God Whose activity is not limited to creation. Since He is the creative Will of God, for anything to be created, His radiation is needed. Hence a part of Him was sent to the Grail castle at the border of Divine substantiate sphere, to radiate outside so that creation can come into being outside the Divine substantiate sphere. Hence a part of Imanuel received a Divine substantiate cloak and dwelled at the Grail castle for the purpose of coming into being of creation, to which man belongs; This is the son of man. Just as God has unavoidable radiation, the unsubstantiate core in the son of man also has unavoidable radiation. This unavoidable radiation which was sent outside the border of the Divine sphere is Parsifal. Parsifal is the Son of man’s radiation cloaked with purest substance of the Primordial spiritual. Hence Parsifal is the cloak or anchorage of the Son of man. Both are two distinct persons yet inseparably linked by radiation. Out of the radiation of Parsifal creation took on form; hence Parsifal is the King, the ruler of all the worlds(creation)

However, the son of Man remains outside creation, in the Grail castle within the Divine substantiate sphere and Parsifal in an annex to the castle outside the Divine substantiate sphere. It was only after distances, unimaginable too the human brain, from Parsifal that the first plane of the Primordial spiritual sphere could condense and take on form. Hence Parsifal is not really in the Primordial spiritual planes as it is often thought; He cannot be placed on any of the Primordial spiritual planes; He is simply above all creation. In the initial chapters of the Grail message, one may get the idea that Parsifal is in the first plane of the Primordial spiritual sphere; however, this is just gradually introducing the reader to the reality. Just as one, in describing the sky to a child, might say that the sun is in the sky; but as the child matures, he gets initiated to fact that the sun is indeed terribly far from the sky. The relationship between Parsifal and the first plane of the Primordial sphere can be analogized by the relationship between the sun and the earth; a rough analogy though.

After the failure of Lucifer, who was sent as a support for creation; creation suffered especially subsequent creation which became cut off from the rest. And since creation is a whole, the consequence was that even the spiritual sphere weakened; since the spiritual currents leaving it into subsequent creation no longer returned as the law of reciprocal action ordained. Hence to halt the catastrophe which otherwise may have resulted, or to strengthen the spiritual sphere and bridge the gulf caused by the influence of Lucifer, It became necessarily to have a closer connection between the spiritual sphere and Divinity unsubstantiate. For this reason, a volition, which took on form arouse in the son of man. This volition which is a part of the son of man, and a living personality, was incarnated into the Primodial spiritual sphere. He received a body of Primodial spiritual substance; and hence, although His core is Divine unsubstantiate, He is part Divine and part spiritual. Through this connection and incarnation, greater energy flowed into the Primordial spiritual sphere, greatly strengthening it and the entire creation. Of course this volition of the Son of man in creation has to start as a child and gradually grow into adulthood. And of course, this incarnation into the Primordial spiritual sphere had to happen through Parsifal who is the gate from Divine into creation; and also through the primordial queen. Hence the imagines we see of the Primordial queen carrying the infant Son of Man. And also, this child had to spend His youth in the Grail castle due to so reasons already discussed in this thread. This incarnated son of man is called Imanuel; It was this incarnation into the Primodial spiritual plane that Isaiah was allowed to see and report on earth.

All the ancient Prophecies talking about the coming of the King of creation to earth at the end times for judgment, refers to the coming of Parsifal. The coming that was promised a long time ago; for this coming the volition of Parsifal took on form and descended into the earth for the first time, this first coming was in preparation for His coming during judgment coming. It is my perception that it was Him who was supposed to descend into the earth for judgment. The Son of man however, was only supposed descend as far as the ethereal realm(Coming in the clouds) to receive those who have passed the judgment and lead them into the kingdom of God, or to subjugate subsequent creation and make it part of God’s kingdom. But seeing that the earth and earthly humanity is in danger of destruction that judgment will bring, Christ prayed that the son of man should descend all the way down to the earth for the protection of the earth and the followers of the Truth.

When the time came, at first it was Parsifal in His volition that incarnated and wrote the Living message. Afterwards, when the time came, Imanuel the son of man descended into Parsifal or into the physical body of Parsifal. At this point Parsifal functioned only as a cloak; while the animating core was Imanuel the son of man. The power that descended into this cloak was so much; but this cloak has been trained or purified to bear it, a process or preparation that took thousands of years. The called ones who incarnated on earth to draw this power, modify it and pass on to mankind failed; this drawing would have counterbalanced the attraction or the pull of the luminous realms on Imanuel. The little that mankind was able to draw, they used wrongly and almost annihilated each other with it in a senseless war. And when Power well up in Him and found none to flow to; His physical body could not handle it anymore. Based on the law of attraction of homogenous species He was pulled back to His home.

This is my perception.

Thanks and remain blessed

Timeline of ancient civilizations

Marverick09:
@Justcool, I really do appreciate the depth and time you take to explain certains questions as well as the way you express your perception without giving the impression being Mr. Right. It's wonderful to have someone like you here. However, in one of your explanations about bisections, you said it was after Parsifal first incarnated on earth that His feminine counterpart was bisected and took on form as Maria who later incarnated in Casandra. Now, in the book The Great Pyramid of Giza Reveals it's Secrets by Roselis Von Sass, we are made to know Casandra was on Earth 500years before Abdrushin. In your explanation it was Abdrushin Who incarnated first before Casandra. How is one to reconcile these two account ? ? ? ?

@Marverick09
Thanks for your worthy question and your kind words.

I have never come across where Abd-ru-shin wrote or even hinted that Cassandra incarnated on earth before Abdrushin. From my own perception, from what I have read and what has been revealed to me, Abdrushin lived on earth before Cassandra. I think, if I remembered correctly, that this was specifically and clearly mentioned in the book series PAST ERAS AWAKEN, Volume II, in a chapter called CASSANDRA. Anybody who has that book should please read that chapter and let us know.
Also Abdruschin wrote in RESONANCES TO THE GRAIL, In a lecture called PENTECST:

“Whether this concerned Abd-ru-shin or also Nahome. Maria as Cassandra, or Jesus….”

Although He was not talking about who came first and although not specifically said, I believe He listed the above people in the order of their incarnations.
First: Abd-ru-shin and Nahome.
Second: Maria as Cassandra.
Third: Jesus.

And of course you know I hold Abd-ru-shin as the texts received in His proximity (Received and published while He was on earth and approved by Him) as the final authority. I’m aware that Roselis Von Sass formed her own movement in Brazil and wrote many books. I have not read her books, although I have come across them online; but when the time comes, I may read her works and decide for myself their Truthfulness.

I will not judge her because I have not read her works. But I can categorically tell you that Cassandra lived on earth after Abdrushin and not before.

But even if you follow mundane history you will arrive at the truth in this matter. Egyptian civilization came before any European civilization; Troy was in Europe. Abdrushin lived around the time of Moses, and Ancient Israel civilization started with Moses leading them out of Egypt. Now, carefully observe the timeline of ancient civilizations in the following links:

http://www.timemaps.com/history
http://www.timelines.info/history/empires_and_civilizations/ancient_civilisations/

Now observe the time Ancient Israel started, that around the time Abdrushin lived; also, observe the time Ancient Greek started, it was the Greeks that destroyed Troy, and Cassandra was on earth when Troy was destroyed!

Now from this timeline, tell which came first?

Thanks and remain blessed.

ChijiokeGodwin:


Happy new year to you all, fellow seekers. Especially those of you who have kept this peaceful and enlightening thread moving for years, like Justcool, M_nwankwo, Speer, shinealight, etc. You cannot believe the number of people this thread has awakened spiritually. I wish you all strength.

Thanks. I wish you strength too.

Speer:


Also, I would take it that the power-centers of the Form-of-the-Word so formed by Jesus (due to His presence) in the spiritual and ethereal planes will be at the highest respective plane-levels given the purity of its formation via the Divine-core envoy. From such topmost planes (of the Primordial Spiritual, Spiritual and ethereal) would it be attracted towards those spirits in lower planes (ethereal) who begin to become to consciousness in the right manner (enabling them to "draw" as such).

This is very correct! However, not only those in the ethereal receive a pull from the words, which had taken on form, but every human being who has longing for the light, irrespective of his location in creation. Even from the earth, one can draw from those eternal words of Christ, though one’s spirit even before coming in contact with the written word. The words radiate into all planes, greatly inciting everybody towards righteousness, everybody who still has longing for Truth.

Speer:

What was the purpose/aim of the first incarnation or journey of Parsifal in Creation wherein He came to the Earth..........and had His mission cut short unfortunately. Was it to provide a Light anchorage at the start of a cycle in Creation as a whole or just the earth planet in Ephesus in particular?

The purpose of His first earthly sojourn was to prepare Himself for His mission at the time of Judgment, cosmic turning point in Ephesus and establishment of the millennium. This mission which He faithfully fulfilled in second coming, entails His dealing or working with mankind. To work with man, He had to know mankind. Coming from the Light, He knew no darkness and all weakness were alien to Him. Hence it was necessary that he got acquainted with weak and dark mankind(human spirits developing from spirit germs), before entering into their school to judge them.

He had to descend all the way to the earth because on earth (the physical plane) can good and bad dwell side by side. Hence it is only in the world of coarsest or heaviest gross matter that He can meet the entire spectrum of mankind. The most evolved man can live on earth, where the most undeveloped one can also live; in fact they might even be neighbors. In the Primordial spiritual realm, He could only meet Primordial spirits and beings who are the purest of all creatures; in the ethereal realm, He can only meet the purest developing human spirits. Because based on his purity, only that which is pure can approach him in the beyond, where the law of attraction of homogenous species will not allow that which is impure to approach Him. Neither will the law of gravity allow such a light, indeed weightless Divine being to sink and live among those in the nether regions of the beyond.

So, in the entire creation, only on earth could He meet all types of human beings and get acquitted with the way they think, and behave.

To further elucidate about the Judgment, cosmic turning point in Ephesus and establishment of the millennium; and also as extension to my post about the working of the words spoken by Jesus and the son of man.
We have already talked about the four stages which the worlds of matter eternally pass though; namely: Birth, Maturity or ripeness, Over-ripeness and Decay. Our physical bodies and everything material go through this eternal cycle. The human spirit germs can only descend into any of the seven parts of the world of matter when that part is at the stage of maturity or ripeness and they have to leave or separate from matter right before Decay sets in, so that they don’t get drawn into the process of decay along with matter. A process which will result in the desolation of their achieved personality, this is the much dreaded spiritual death.

The cosmic turning point marks the time when all mankind on Ephesus (including the earth) would have achieved the spiritual maturity prerequisite for admission into Paradise. Hence if mankind had kept up with their spiritual development, by the cosmic turning point they would all have matured spiritually, and consequently, from then the entire Ephesus would become a reflection of Paradise. From the beginning, it was promised that the Son of man will be there during the cosmic turning point to personally usher them into this Paradise. Then the entire Ephesus will be part of the kingdom of God; both here in the physical(earth) and in the beyond (ethereal) part of Ephesus will become Paradise; or like it is pictorially depicted in the Revelation of John, “A new earth and a new heaven.”

However, due to the failure of mankind, this new earth and heaven could not manifest at the time of the cosmic turning point. Indeed when the time arrived, most mankind ware still asleep spiritually. Hence, before the new heaven and new earth could arise, purification has to take place. The coming of the waited helper brought this purification which is still going on today, which will separate the wheat from the chaff. This process of purification or separation is what we call judgment. Nevertheless, He fulfilled all parts of his mission, even in regards to the millennium. This is because the brought the Divine rays under which mankind could have realized the millennium both spiritually and physically had they not failed. Now only a few individuals, those who have matured inwardly, can experience Paradise, even while living on this degenerate earth; their connection with Paradise allows them to experience it in their spirits.

The words that Jesus and the son of man spoke will remain forever; they will affect all parts of the world of matter. Even after our part disintegrates to be succeeded or followed by another birth, the words will remain, they will take on form again after the succeeding birth. Even though the ethereal forms will one day disintegrate, as all matter will, the force field of the word remains, and will receive another cloak or form after the disintegrated matter reforms itself though birth.

To analogize this, imagine a TV station which eternally sends out its signals into a city. Let’s assume this TV station is continually broadcasting a president’s speech. Many TV sets in the city receive the signals and pictures of the president appear on their screen, while his speech it head from the TV speakers. People in the city can change their TVs as often as they want; they can destroy the old ones and build or buy new ones, but yet whenever they turn it on and switch the aforementioned TV station, it will receive the signals from the TV station and produce the same picture. TVs may get old and replaced, nevertheless, once there are turned on and switched the city’s TV station, the president will appear on their screens and his speech be heard on their speakers.

The TV station represents the spiritual forms of the words of Christ, which radiates from the spiritual realm into all parts of the worlds of matter, the signal represents the force field of the worlds, while the TV sets represents the different parts of the worlds of matter. The picture and sound represents the various planes of each of the different parts of the world of matter.

Speer:

Why did the earthly community he established not last very long after His untimely departure?

The same reason why mankind always failed: Vanity, conceit and the rule of intellect, which are all products spiritual indolence. With His departure and the departure of all the Ishmanites, the people were left alone to strive towards the light by themselves. As always whenever mankind is left alone, they make a golden calf of their intellect and dance around it in worship; just like the Israelites did when Moses left for a while to receive the Ten Commandments. It could only have been out of spiritual indolence, nothing else. They probably integrated with other cultures and abandoned the ways established for them by Parsifal.

Speer:

Was it related to the enslaved nation of Israel in Egypt and their physical emancipation and the more important (& related) simultaneous start of their spiritual mission on earth as a people?.........................

The non-continued existence of the nation, Is-Ra, has nothing to Israel. Is-Ra and Israel are two distinct people.

In regards to the first earthly sojourn of Parsifal, I have already explained the main purpose for His visit; however, all Divine act serves many purposes. So, to free Israel from Egypt is also part of the purpose of His coming; even at that time it was already foreseen that the plight of Israel had set them on a road towards that maturity and purity that will eventually allow or elect them to serve as a bridge for the incarnation of Jesus. Parsifal's incarnation on earth helped in liberation of Israel as well as many other peoples too. Their were Negros(Africans) then, who out of indolence have lost their ability to speak, whom Parsifal’s radiations set free from their infirmity when they met Him. So it wasn’t only Israel; God is not especially kind to only Israel as some religionists suggest. God is kind to all.

But these were not the main purpose of His incarnation on earth, because these He could still have fulfilled from above. Moses, who was sent to free Israel, could only draw his power from or through the Living Justice of God as there is only one source of power. Moses could have drawn this from or though Parsifal, even if Parsifal wasn’t on earth. His being on earth only made things faster and more drastic. Had he not being on earth, Moses would still have succeeded if he was diligent, however it may have taken longer. The curses that visited the Egyptians manifested in minutes after Moses spoke them because Parsifal, who is the living portal of Justice of God, was on earth then, otherwise this process of physical manifestation of the words of Moses could have taken years. Also, it may have taken Moses longer to tear himself away from the comfort of being a prince to the realization of his mission.

Speer:

Cannot thank you enough and mention in words how you have aided in my growth these last three years. You have been extremely generous of your time and knowledge................and the examples you dey give for ur xplanation dey help man-pikin coconut grasp matter.

I thank you too! But all thanks should be directed to the Almighty.

Speer:


Peace, Blessings and Growth in all its facets to you and your family.

This is most gracious and kind of you! I appreciate it and I wish you the same.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!

Tobakunn:
Thank you, Speer.
I have a question concerning Deja-vus. Can anyone shed more light on this inexplicable albeit commonplace occurrence?
Compliments of the season everyone.

Deja-vus result from memory or recollection of events already experienced.

It is the mutual radiation of all cloaks(bodies) that keep our physical body and soul together. During sleep the radiation of the physical body reduces or changes in a manner that it allows the soul to move away from the physical body and continue experiencing in the beyond. During such detachment, the silver cord, which connects the physical body to the soul, is still very intact; through this cord, impressions from the soul are transmitted to the physical body(brain). Some of the things we call dreams are actually experiencing of the beyond during sleep. The over-activity of the frontal brain often interferes, making the dream appear vague and unreal. But not all dreams result from such experiencing; some dreams, lets call them regular dreams, are just a result of frontal brain recuperating after the strenuous activity of the day. Since the frontal brain never really stops or ceases its activities, during sleep or during its recuperating period, it still functions; the results of these functioning or activity of the frontal brain during sleep is what we call dream, regular dreams.

Now back to the dreams that result from experiencing of the beyond. It happens that due to the over-activity of the frontal brain, sometimes the impressions from the experiencing of the beyond during sleep are not able to penetrate the frontal brain, retained in it, or consciously recalled from it. Hence when the individual wakes up, he will not be able to consciously recollect the experiences he had in the beyond while his body slept. But everything experienced is retained in the spirit.

Like I explained in my earlier post, the physical plane is coarser, denser or an unpolished reflection of the astral plane. Everything that we have on earth exists also in the astral plane where it is first fashioned. Our thoughts, words, and actions, even our fate, etc., all take on forms in the respective planes of the beyond and must precipitate also on the astral plane before appearing on earth. Everything that happens on earth must first happen in the astral plane before they are reflected into the earth. It happens that sometimes, while the physical body sleeps, the soul separates from it and experiences in the astral plane, things that are yet to be reflected or happen in the physical. This is a natural occurrence; and as with all that stems from the Will of God, in it we see the love of God, in that it prepares man for the future, so that man is not caught up in surprises, especially regarding very important things.
Due to the interference of the over-wrought frontal, on waking the individual fails to consciously recollect what he had experienced or seen in the beyond. When he encounters it on earth, this jumps or jolts his memory to the consciousness that he has seen or experienced that before. in other words, the jolt awakens him to the memory that is stored in his spirit; he remembers that he had seen or experienced that event before, albeit in the beyond or astral plane. This is Deja-vu.

I hope this explanation helps.

Thanks and remain blessed.

Speer:
@Justcool,
Hello and Salut,
Had please wanted to ask about the mission of the Son of God.
How was the knowledge of and the message of his mission disseminated through the ethereal planes of our planet (in Ephesus)----both at His time and after his departure from the earth..............and ever since?

It would be erroneous to think that the mission or message of Jesus is limited to the audible words He spoke on earth. Looking from the earth or from the physical perspective, one views the message as being basically disseminated by hearers of the message carrying it abroad and spreading it by word of the mouth, and by writing. This is why soon, on earth, errors creep into the message due to the spreaders deficient memory, lack of understanding of the message, delusion of improvement, or willful introduction of error.

However there is a different dimension of Divine messages that people often fail to consider. The message is actually Divine; hence it is not only alive but a part of Life itself! You already know that when a man speaks on earth, the intention or spiritual motive that prompted him to speak takes on a living form in the ethereal realm; since this intention issued from spiritual activity, the resulting ethereal form can be linked the spiritual sphere. The thoughts that preceded the speaking also takes on form in the planes of fine gross matter; while the worlds take on forms in medium gross matter. This way, a man on earth, is able to send his influence in all the planes of matter and all the way to the spiritual realm from where he draws spiritual energy. All these you already know. The process is the same, but far more richer and deeper in the case of Jesus.

The words that Jesus spoke, His message, were prompted from His Divine intuition, His Divine unsubstantiate core, and hence they receive their power directly from God. They took on form also in all the planes of matter, above matter, spiritual planes and reaching up to God the Father Himself. By speaking, He anchored his volition in the planes of medium gross matter; His thinking anchored His volition in the fine gross matter, His motives in the ethereal matter, etc. This process goes on till it reaches into the Divine, since he carries a part of each sphere on Him as a cloak. I.e., His gross material bodies or cloaks, through His acting, speaking, and thinking, anchored His volition(His message) in all the planes of gross matter; by the means of His ethereal body, His volition was anchored in the ethereal planes; by the means of His animistic bodies, His volition is anchored in the animistic planes, and by the means of His spiritual bodies in the spiritual planes, etc. This process goes on till it reaches into God the Father Himself, from whence Jesus drew His energy. His words and actions that we heard and saw on earth can be viewed as the physical anchorage of the same volition that is also simultaneously anchored in all planes of creation. Hence, when mankind distorts the words while spreading it, this does not mean that the actual message has been distorted. Indeed one can come in contact with the message of Christ even without ever physically hearing it or reading it from any book.

Indeed in the ethereal plane, the influence of the message is much more than on earth. There it needs no human being for it to be spread. It took on from there, the most powerful form since it is connected or linked to God the father Himself, like I already explained. This form is so powerful and radiates enormous light! The penetrating influence of this Light is unimaginable to the Human spirit. Hence it was able to radiate into all parts of the beyond, including the planes hitherto filled with darkness; It was able to penetrate and drive away darkness, freeing the universe from a course that would otherwise have drove it prematurely into the funnel of disintegration. It surrounded every soul in the ethereal realm, indeed every soul in creation, demanding to be admitted; it knocked on the door of every soul, demanding admittance. And indeed any soul that opened its door, even a little, gets flooded with Light. However, despite its brightness and power of penetration, it will not go against the laws of God which granted human spirits freewill as integral part of them. Hence it has to respect the freewill of man. It can only knock at the door of the soul; the actual opening of the door had to be done by the soul itself.

This anchored volition remains even after Jesus had retuned back to His home. It will remain forever because it is eternally connected to God the father. You can imagine it as a light or freeway leading from all planes of creation to God the father. Hence “Nobody comes to the father except through me.” For a better understanding, one in his mind can substitute the “through me,” with “through living my message” or “through living according to my message.” For Jesus and His message are inseparable.

Ignorance to the actual nature of Divine messages is the reason why the missionaries and Jihadist made so many mistakes in the manner they “spread the message.” The actual message is not limited to the words spread to us through vocal transmission or writing. The message is! It is part of life that has taken on form in creation. This is applicable with the Grail message which is one with the message of Christ and which is Life, and Truth. It is not limited to the book which mankind can distort, quibble and quarrel about; the actual message cannot be distorted! Not even the strongest Divine being can approach it with evil intention without being incinerated immediately. With this knowledge, one realizes that an individual can read the Grail message and learn everything in the book with his intellect without ever having come in contact with the actual message itself! Likewise, an individual may open his soul to the Grail message without knowing it physically or intellectually, without having read the book; he may start trading the path of the message, without having recognized it on earth. Although the culmination will finally bring him in contact with the actual message and the recognition of it; this can happen either here on earth through the book or later in the beyond. Hence when the missionaries took the physical message to foreign lands, they were erroneous to think that the “primitive foreigners” have never met Christ; i.e. come in contact spiritually with the living message. If they knew this, they would not have made the message a religion; neither would they have converted foreigners to their religions. They simply would have recognized the effect the power of Christ had already made on some of the people and encouraged and strengthened it without converting them to foreign religions. It happened that while the man-made foreign white bishops stood before the “primitive Africans” teaching them the gospel; a few of the so called primitive ones, who despite having never read the bible or heard of Jesus, were already better followers of Christ than the so called priests and bishops.

If you can look at the entire earth during the time Christ came, you will notice there was an upsurge of spirituality or spiritual activity among all peoples, even those in remote places where Christ had never physically set on. The radiation of His message penetrated the entire planet, strengthening the good and driving away darkness. The Grail message did the same and its effect can easily be observed. You only need to look into any field of human endeavor; you will discover an upsurge during the twentieth century. Look at technology for example and observe the giant stride it made during the twentieth century. The Twentieth century marks the entrance of the Grail Message into creation. With Life (or Power of God) comes pressure, it is this pressure which sets everything in motion that we call energy. Whatever it touches is forcibly driving to fruition. Hence men who work with their intellect are able to achieve great intellectual feats resulting from the increased energy they received; hence the technology of this era. Those inclined towards spirituality are also able to remarkable progress in a short while due to this energy. This culmination will result in the destruction of many and the also the salvation of the good; this is the Judgment so much talked about.

The radiation of the Grail Message still seizes our universe. Whatever it touches is set in motion, including human beings. The individual is set on fire, either to be burn to death or be purified by the fire. Hence the confusion, madness and weird behavior we see today on earth. Those whose inner lights have not been completely extinguished, their inner lights will unite with this power and glow even brighter. Many became seekers; Hence the increase in churches and religious movements. Many will go from church to church seeking fervently, these have already come in contact with the power, and the culmination of this seeking arrives when the individual comes consciously in contact with the Grail message. Then the individual will also be faced with the declaration; “I am He!” However, this culmination need not happen on earth, it can happen in the beyond. The fate of every human spirit lies in his response or attitude to this declaration which marks the period the individual can start his ascent or enter the millennium. The first time mankind encountered “I am He” was from Jesus, when they questioned Him in the garden. But then they were not spiritually matured enough for accent for after He spoke those words they arrested Him and crucified Him; signifying their rejection of the son(word) of God. Now in the end, at the culmination of their seeking, they must encounter “I am He” again in the message of the son of man. This time those that will accept Him as the son(word) of God will begin their accent.

I know I digressed a little; now getting back to your questions and summing up what I wrote. The spread of the Divine messages does not really require human beings and their religions. The message is Life and has taken on form in the beyond. Life radiates, surrounding every soul and speeding up every process. Those that open their souls to it or in souls where it finds homogeneity, it strengthens. The soul begins to seek which at the same time brings its purification; the culmination is coming in contact with the actual message and finally confronting the “I am He!” This coming in contact with the actual message can happen here on earth or in the beyond. This coming in contact with the actual message is not always the same as having a copy of the Grail message or the message of Christ; it entails not only recognizing it but making it an inseparable part of your life. Many have it only on their book shelves, and many read it every day without having come in contact with it.

Hence when a seeker approaches a cross bearer with questions about the Life or the message, the cross bearer must not think that he is introducing the seeker to the Grail message. The seeker may already have made contact with the message spiritually but only seeking to fathom it with his conscious brain also. The cross bearer should not instigate the seeker to join any movement or church, but in all simplicity answer his questions and be exemplary in his character. This way he strengthens that which is already brewing in the seekers soul and allow it to have its way. This is exactly what the missionaries and Jihadists should have done.

To spread the message of the Lord in a manner corresponding to the will of God, you need not even say a word to your neighbor. You need not go from door to door begging people to accept the word, such will be belittling the message. By living the message and drawing from it, you are flooding your environment with light, which will then penetrate and knock on the doors of the other souls. Soon some of these souls, those that have made some contact, will begin to stir and approach you or other servants of God with questions.

Speer:
Given that His mission was undertaken in somewhat of a haste, I presume that perhaps not much or enough prep work was possible in the ethereal planes before His arrival.................and I cannot perceive what happened after His departure from the Earth.
Gracias and have a light week.............

Many souls in the ethereal planes, on perceiving the tiding of the coming of the savior, petitioned to be allowed to help in the mission. Many were granted, those who thereby would be helped to ascend. Many were allowed to help by incarnating on earth, others were able to help from the beyond, without needing to incarnate on the earth.
Like I said, after his departure, His message which has already been anchored in creation still is. Many still find their ways back to their home at the eternal feet of God the father, through His message which will forever be. The message, which has taken on form in the beyond, is sustained by the power of God; even if the entire mankind rejects it or fights against it, it will still remain undiminished, for it is Life.

Thanks and remain blessed.

Part 2.

Like I explained above, every clairvoyant sees only environment homogenous to his development; a clairvoyant at a very low level of spiritual development only sees a step above the physical; hence his visions and interpretations he gives them still belong to the lowest level of existence. It happens that out of ignorance, some people have gone to diviners who actually rank lower than them spiritually, and by following the diviner’s advice these people get degraded down to the level of the diviner, while all the while thinking that he is benefiting. And today, you cannot tell a diviner's or any body’s level of spiritual maturity based on race, culture, tribe or nationality as it was in the past eras. Among all peoples today there are people who have attained some spiritual development and those who are still at the lowest level. Hence among one tribe, you may find a diviner at the lowest stage of development and another at the second stage. One can easily understand that a diviner ranking lower than you spiritually cannot really offer you anything that will help you advance spiritually further; but he can easily drag you down. And those at the lower stages of spiritual development often appear to be the helpful ones, their predictions of often comes true because they are at the same physical level where these things appear; they see it when it is almost about to condense physically. They can see the low astral planes very well; hence they can see earthly things right before they happen, at the point where possibility of change no longer exsist. They can often predict your future financial, work, and earthly circumstances because these things are at the same level with them. However all these belong to the lowest level and does not offer you any spiritual benefits. To further illustrate this point, I will paint two pictures for your consideration.

Two students, Student ‘A’ and student ‘Z’, after graduating from university as engineers, decided to visit two diviners to help them decide on which state to settle in; whether they should go to California or New York. Diviner 1, whose view point is directly above the earth, but still within the earth’s atmosphere; hence, he can clearly see from the atmosphere that in California there are lots of companies looking for graduates, also sees that the companies in will be hiring engineers in two months’ time. He also sees that there is only one company in New York, a company that does not pay as much as any of the companies in California. So he advises the graduates to head to California and settle, that on getting to California they will definitely find good jobs in two months’ time. Diviner 2, whose view point is far above the earthly atmospheres; his view is so high that he can observe the resolution of the earth around the sun, he can clearly observe the path of the earth; and from his view point he notices that earth is headed to collide with another planet in a years’ time. So he tells the two graduates, there is no point in going to California or New York, stay where you are and buy a ticket and catch the next rocket out of the earth. Let us assume that there are rockets that take people to mars and tickets for such rockets can neither be brought in California nor New York. So he tells them to go to mars and settle, and not to settle on earth at all. Student ‘A’ heeds his advice and relocates to mars, while student ‘Z’, following the advice of Diviner 1, headed to California and settled; on getting there, in two months he found the companies hiring, he applied and got a good job. A year later, he is a manger in a big engineering company in California, he is making huge money and has decided to stay in California for good; in fact he will never leave California. While student A was toiling and moiling in Mars barely making a living. On learning about their situations, they both decided that Diviner 2 was a false seer, and they both praised Diviner 1, calling him a genuine seer since everything he said about California was true. Then two years later, Student A, while alive and healthy in mars learns that the earth has collided with another planet and exploded, only then does he fall on his knees and thank the creator for Diviner 2.

The point of the above illustration is that each seer sees from a different level corresponding too their different levels of inner development. Sometimes the predictions of those that are very close to the physical realm appear to be truer and more correct; while those from a higher point of vision appear vague and unfulfilling. However in the end only those of the highest perspective will have the lasting and eternal spiritual benefit. The seer or clairvoyant closer to the earth, his timing appears more correct because he is seeing from a perspective not far above the earthly concept of space ad time. To the one seeing from a higher perspective, it is harder for him to accurately tell the earthly time the events will manifest because he is standing at a perspective far above the earthly concept of time and space. Like I said, however, in the end, only the one that sees from the higher perspective can give you an advice that will be of spiritual benefit. To bring this illustration closer home, let’s paint another picture.

A man, Peter, and his brother James are contemplating on which direction to follow. They are contemplating whether to settle down and marry or remain bachelors and concentrate on their carriers. They both happen to know a girl, Hanna, whom Peter is contemplating on marrying. So they go to a seer, a poplar clairvoyant. The clairvoyant although blind to their spiritual conditions, clearly sees their astral environments; he sees their thoughts, he can also see that Hanna won’t mind getting married to either of them. The clairvoyant tells them that Hanna will make a good wife, and in fact in a few years she will inherit great wealth which will elevate her husband to the status of a King. Overjoyed, they rush home to start making plans for the marriage. They decide that the next day Peter will go and propose to Hanna. But on their way they meet Jesus, and perceiving He is a called one, they decide to seek His opinion too. Jesus, from His Divine perspective can see that these two men are still spiritually alive but not very strong spiritually. He can see their inner flames flickering amid the darkness of the earth; He knows that as soon as they settle into lives of marriage, the comfort and temptation that will come along with the marriage will lull them into spiritual sleep, culminating in them losing their souls. He sees that the only path for them tread in order not to lose their souls is the path of righteousness; He sees that based on their spiritual condition, if they tread the path of righteousness by being his follows, they stand the chance of returning to Paradise. Out of love and consideration for their spiritual development, Jesus tells them to forget about the marriage and follow Him. Peter, prompted by intuition heeds Jesus, he forsakes his planes and becomes a disciple of Jesus; while James heeds the seer and goes ahead and marries Hanna. Everything the seer predicted comes true. Many years later James who is now a rich king visits Rome with his wife Hanna. They see a group of Roman soldiers matching a condemned man towards the place of crucifixion. The man cries as soldiers flog him, on reaching the crucifixion grounds, the soldier crucify the man on a cross. James asks one of the soldiers what crime the condemned man committed to deserve such punishment, and they tell him that the man, who is an ardent follower of Jesus, has been going around spreading the message of Jesus, a message that is banned in Rome. From the crowd, James catches a glimpse of the man on dying on the cross, it was Peter! At this point James falls on his knees, thanking God for the true seer who advised them to marry Hannah; while cursing the “false Jesus” who promised Peter eternal life. Only many years later, when he passes on into the great beyond does he realize that over the course of him being a king on earth, he had perpetuated so much injustice that his soul is now bound to hell; and indeed he will not be able to free himself till all matter goes into desolation; hence he is bound to lose his soul after suffering unimaginable torments in hell. The pleasure of having being a king on earth now appears so insignificant; now he would rather live on earth again as a pauper to avoid the torment he is facing. Peter on the other hand, stands before the golden gate of paradise; at the first sight of this gate, even before it opens, immeasurable joy descends into his heart; his heart almost burst with joy. Now, every suffering he went through on earth while following the truth now seemed so insignificant; indeed now, he would gladly go through a million more crucifixion just for the sight of this sublime gate. But now the love of God will not allow him to descend into matter again. The inner glow resulting from the Joy is so great that burns his last animistic cloak; freeing an indescribably free, happy and bright spirit to enter into the Gate that opens for him.

I have avoided telling you whether to continue seeing the Diviner or not; rather I have shown the mechanism that guides those phenomena, and also the resulting consequences. It is now your choice whether to continue or not. The choice is yours.

Thanks and remain blessed.

End of post.

Tobakunn:
Greetings,

I want to share a peculiar experience I had as a young adolescent which has always confounded me with the hope that someone who possesses much greater knowledge than I will be able to clarify it for me or rather, share their perceptions with me.

As a young boy, I came across a man who was an Ifa priest (I don't know if you are aware of Ifa, its panegyrics and its priests, I hope you are but I can provide clarification where needed to the extent that I can). He struck me and we ended up having a sit-down. He proceeded to cast Ifa in the way they usually do it and told me certain specific things about myself, he also gave me some advice which have been valuable to my life and told me about occurrences/scenarios which concern me that haven't taken place yet and went on to provide more advice on how to act when these occurrences/scenarios finally happened; they involved regular activities and regular and some irregular people and personalities, they were situations which I would not have attached special importance to. And in time, they occurred exactly as he foretold and I acted accordingly.

Over the course of the years, I meet him from time to time and he provides more advice and prayers, also giving me pointers about living my life accordingly and aided in me discarding some filthy habits. He allows me to ask questions but they must not be superficial and must concern things involving my life in its entirety, he even selects questions to provide answers to and when he tells me something will happen, it always happens exactly as he told me. He also warns severely against depending on answers to all my life's problems from Ifa, he says there are some things to be learnt through mistakes and he always only advices, never compels in any way. He has even provided me with information concerning certain foods to avoid after which I noticed an improvement in my health after adhering to his advice.

My question now is how can someone with the aid of the diety known as Ifa foretell the future with relative accuracy?

I do not understand how and I have a feeling that I will meet him again soon, I just want to know what happens really during these our meetings.

If anyone has a perception on my experience which they wish to share, I will be grateful because I really do not understand it completely myself.

Thank you in advance.

Cc: Justcool.

Modified.

Since my reply is too long, I will break it into two posts; Part 1 and 2.

Part 1

Perhaps the gentle man you described is clairvoyant. There are clairvoyant people all over the world, across all cultures and religions. It really is not a product of spiritual maturity, as people of often erroneously think. There are clairvoyant people in all levels of development; even among people on the lowest stage of spiritual development.

It is my perception that clairvoyance has more to do with the cloaks (bodies—physical, astral ethereal etc.) than it has to do with the actual spirit. Based on the law of attraction of homogenous species, each species can only clearly perceive the same specie; i.e., the physical eyes can only clearly see physical things, while the ethereal eyes can only clearly see ethereal things, etc. There are people so constituted that their physical eyes can catch a glimpse of the astral plane sometimes. This does not violet the law of homogeneity since physical and astral still belong to the realm of gross matter, and hence are homogeneous to a certain degree. Physical belongs to coarsest gross matter while astral belong to medium gross matter. Also, there are people living on earth so constituted that they can, from time to time, see with their astral eyes. Some can, from time to time, see with their ethereal eyes and etc. Hence all clairvoyant people do not perceive from the same plane of the beyond.

Clairvoyance, if used correctly can be a blessing to the clairvoyant as well as her/his people. But when used wrongly or with ignorance, it wracks havoc on but the clairvoyant one and the people that employ her/his services. It must be emphasized that based on the law of attraction of homogenous species, each clairvoyant only perceives what is homogenous to him, or at best what is half a step above him in terms of maturity. Hence among people who are at the lowest step of spiritual development, people who can only perceive the physical, or people at the physical level, we find clairvoyants who can at best see the astral plane. Among those whose development has reached the ethereal level, we find clairvoyants who can, from time to time catch a glimpse of the section of the animistic sphere directly above the ethereal. This way, the clairvoyant, from descriptions of what he sees, prepares or familiarizes the people with their next step in the great journey of spiritual development. One can analogically say that clairvoyants are the eyes of their people, the people at the same level with him. Just as your eyes sees the road ahead of you and from what you see you can tell where you are on the road and decide which direction to proceed. A people whose clairvoyants only see base forms from the astral plane, should know that they are at a very low spiritual development and hence should strive towards purity. Sensitive ones (clairvoyants and women) among the people can be a gift to the people, since through these sensitive ones, the people can see how they fare spiritually. Some ancient’s cultures know this; hence they value, seclude and protect their women. They paid strict attention at their women, for the behavior of the woman is always a reflection of non-physical environment around her. Hence from the behavior of their women, a people could see where and how the entire people stand spiritually. Clairvoyants and women are like antennas, each antenna is turned to pick up certain signals, or each antenna pick up signals in the direction that it is facing; and like antennas, they should be kept well tuned(pure), well positioned and not left at the mercy alien vibrations.

This brings us to the problem with clairvoyance. It happened that over time some clairvoyants became rulers of their peoples due to their ability which the people fear. They stepped out of their necessary protection and entered the public stage where they were exposed to all kinds of influences. Hence even among the developed ones, the clairvoyant ones became coarse due to exposure to coarse and impure currents from foreigners, and hence could no longer perceive from the luminous realms. This is how mankind degraded and lost the art of pure divination or clairvoyance. Hence clairvoyance became useless to the spiritual development of the people. The same thing happened to women. Women who used to be mankind’s doors to luminous realms, by taking the ruling position, they now became exposed to so many impure currents which eventually dragged them down. This way mankind lost their connection to the luminous realms.

Another problem is that people sought to use these clairvoyants to gain insights to their very earthly problems. Earthly things that belong to the lowest level in creation, things that one should solve with one’s earthly perception are taken to the clairvoyants. This way, even clairvoyants that are able to see the luminous parts of the ethereal due to their spiritual development are forced to employ their gifts to look towards gross matter; this tantamount to dragging the clairvoyant down to the astral level. And over the course of this wrong use of clairvoyance, people started to depend on clairvoyants for all their problems. This forfeits the purpose of life on earth; over time people buried their ability to decide or make decisions. Abilities, which if fully exercised helps in spiritual development are thus neglected and the resultant was a spiritual halt which is inevitably always followed by decline as there is no standstill in creation.

Another danger that arouse out of man’s misunderstanding of phenomena like clairvoyance, clairaudience, telepathy, etc. was that many people started to learn how to acquire such abilities in the delusion that acquiring them is tantamount to spiritual development. Occult schools, movements, societies, and even churches were set up teaching people through artificial means(chanting, meditation, incantations, fasting, use of herbs, ect), how to become clairvoyant, clairaudient, telepathic, prophetic etc. Rather than striving towards spiritual development which manifests in simple truthfulness and love for all creatures, people strove towards acquiring clairvoyance etc, abilities that do not denote to inner development. Hence the resultant is that today we have the occult masters, grand masters, prophets, seers etc. And what is achieved through artificial training can never compare with what one acquired naturally or as a result of inner development. Hence all these so called grandmasters at their best are able to penetrate the astral plane or medium gross matter; their penetrating into the luminous realms is totally out of question. To prerequisite to penetrate the luminous realms is naturalness, purity, and humility; qualities that the so called grand masters do not posses.

As to how it works, it is quite simple. You already know that the physical is a coarse reflection of the astral plane. Everything that manifests physically is first fashioned in the astral plane. Hence, even our thoughts, situations and events on earth, fate etc. are all reflections or precipitations of life in our astral environments. Hence one who could see the astral plane can see these events before they happen on earth. Everything we do, which based on the law of reciprocal action eventually returns to us, takes on form in the non-physical planes. Our words take on form in the planes of medium gross matter, our thoughts in fine gross matter; all these things run their courses and finally precipitate into the physical. Hence the evolution of everything lies in the beyond; what we see or encounter on earth is only the outer manifestation of the reality or fate we created for ourselves which has taken on form in the beyond. Hence one, who can see the beyond, can see your fate before it happens on earth. However the seer or clairvoyant can only be correct to a certain extent; for the condition of the soul at the time of manifestation says a lot in the nature of manifestation. Hence after seeing what lies in wait in the astral plane for an individual, the individual may change his ways and hence cut or weaken the link that connects him to the things foreseen which then will fail to manifest in the manner predicted.

I will give an example: A man goes to a seer; the seer sees his astral environment and sees beautiful things in store for this person. These are only the forms of the good deeds the man did in the past, waiting to return to him in due season. The seer tells the man that there a good future ahead for him. The individual on hearing this, erroneous thinks that it is written in stone, he becomes lazy, careless and even bad. Thus he changes his radiation from good to evil and as a consequence, the cord linking him to the good things the seer saw weakens to the extent that these good things could no longer manifest in his environment. Hence, rather than succeeding, he fails and blames it on the seer, calling him a liar. The reverse is also possible: A bad person, who has so many evil forms attached to him and waiting to materialize in due time, goes to a seer. The seer sees the evil future that this man has created for himself, and he tells the man that he is going to face a lot of tragedies in the future. This man repents and strives towards purity; this purity creates a ring of light around him, giving him a protective atmosphere. The change in the man which now makes him inhomogeneous to the spheres of darkness where evil awaited him; this weakens his connection to the evil fate. The resultant effect of this weakened connection and the protection around him greatly weakens or mitigates the karma to the extent that the karma that would have caused him a painful death now in returning only makes him sick for a few days. He passes through without any serious harm. Hence, one who knows the laws of creation knows that the most important thing for anybody to do, irrespective of the individuals past, is to repent and strive towards purity; indeed all problems have only one solution—living in accordance to the Will of God.

Another problem that can arise from dependency to seers, clairvoyants, astrologers, prophets, and indeed all types of future diviners is that they install unnecessary fear in people. Fear belongs to the realm of darkness, and hence all servants of God should stay away from fear. An individual who has repented and has achieved a certain degree of purity around him, once he gives in to fear, this fear would dim the purity around him, making him accessible to currents of darkness; currents which he would have avoided had he never given in to fear. Even an individual, who has no karma in store, can darken his environment (aura) with fear; and based on the law of attraction of homogenous species, this fear will attract darkness to him which will then also eventually materialize physically. Example: A man, who otherwise would not be deeply impacted adversely by karma, goes to a future diviner; the diviner tells him that accidental death is in store for him. He becomes terribly afraid. This fears breaks down his natural psychic defense, attracting that which he fears to him. He ends up having an accident and dying. This is a person who otherwise would not have met such fate.

To be continued.

Compliments of the season my friends! I thank everybody who for waiting for my perceptions, and once again I apologize for being away so long. Like I already explained, I got very busy. I will share my perceptions on the issues raised one after the other, especially those that have not been answered. I will treat each post as they were raised; the first ones first.

THE DAD THAT WASN’T THERE.

Filled with joy and astonishment, a child stared at Santa as Santa handed him gift after gift. His little heart almost burst with thrill as Santa said, “Ho! Ho! Ho! Merry Chritmas!” Soon excitement grabbed his attention as his little hands tore the gifts wraps, revealing most of the things he had asked Santa for; lost in amazement he didn’t even notice when Santa left.

When he looked up and noticed that Santa was gone, he understood that Santa had to leave because he had other kids to visit. Indeed he had to visit all the kids in the world in one night; the little child could only imagine Santa riding in the night sky, singing “Ho! Ho! Ho!” as the red nosed Rudolph and the other reindeers happily and swiftly pull his flying chariot.

A knock on the door yanked this child out of his world of imagination. His mother opened the door and it was his father. “Dad! Dad! You missed Santa!” the child screamed, and in a sad note he added, “Oh Dad, I begged you to stay. I wanted to introduce you to Santa, but you couldn’t stay at home just for this one night.” The father tried to explain to the child that he had to step out, but it all sounded like an empty excuse to the boy. “Every Christmas eve, I beg you to stay at home to see Santa, but you never do. Sometimes I wonder if you truly love me.” The boy said.

25 years later, the boy was now a father. As he dressed in a red Santa suit, his mind drifted towards his son. He remembered that his son had begged him to stay at home to meet Santa. How he wished he had stayed, but he couldn’t because if he did Santa would not come. By staying at home he would have shown his son how loving and caring he was, but that would deny his son the joy of meeting the supernatural Santa. He knew afterwards he son will hate him like he used to hate his father for not staying to meet Santa; his son might even question his love. This made this man very sad, but he would rather endure being hated by his young son than denying the child his happiness.

Soon, disguised and looking jolly in a red suit, he stepped into his house. As his son sat on “Santa’s lap” filled with excitement, “If only Dad had been around!” the little boy exclaimed with excitement. The father’s mind drifted back to his own father. Now he realized how loving his father was!

Later that evening, the man knelt beside his bed to pray. “God, if only you had been around when I was going through difficulties, things would have been better; if only you had shown me your love! But I prayed, you didn’t listen, I called on you but you refused to be around me. Dear God, I know I’m too small to demand your presence but please, at least send me thy love during my most difficult times. Also, please God, be there for my kid when he needs you, send your love to him and don’t disappoint him like you disappointed me… Amen” After praying, he lay down on his bed and slept.

A certain atmosphere of irony enveloped him as he slept. He didn’t realize that God, in His love, had always been there for him, but He always disguised His love in a way that was beneficial to the spiritual development of the man, and not in a way that will only gratify him physically. God cared more about man’s spiritual or eternal happiness than his instant and transient material or physical happiness.

Dear friends, as we celebrate the earthly birth of Divine love incarnate, Jesus, let us try and open our inner eyes and recognize that He had always been around us and had never left us desolate. Let us finally grow into men who realize that their father had always been around during Christmas, only disguised as Santa for their joy. Let us realize that whatever had happened to us in the past, no matter in what form they had come—be they joyous or sorrowful—they were only the Love of God disguised in the way that is most beneficial to our spiritual development.

Merry Christmas to you all.

@speer, Tubakun, and all.

I've been terribly busy, that's why I haven't been here for a while. Rest assured that I have seen your posts and I will definitely share my humble perceptions. I will probably be chanced next week, so expect my reply then.

Remain blessed.

Hi Tobakunn
Thanks for your questions.

Tobakunn:
Greetings to everyone on the thread.

Can anyone shed more light on music? It's effects, it's manifestations? It's well known to readers of the Message that it speaks to the real ego of man but can anyone take the explanations further?

Everything that exists has both color and tone(Musical sound). Indeed both color and tone are inseparably the same, one does not exist without the other. But in the material worlds, due to the density of matter which causes obstruction, they are separated.

As an aside note, consider thunder and lightning! They happen at the same time, but the density of the air through which they travel, slows down the speed of sound of the thunder more than that of the light from the lightning. The man observing will see the lightning before the hearing the sound (thunder); to the extent that they appear as different phenomena to men, hence the different names, thunder and lightning. In a medium where there is no heavy density to obstruct the emanated waves, one will hear the sound and see the light at the same time. He will easily understand that it is the same phenomenon that give off sound and light waves at the same time.

Color and tone are like thunder and lightning. Every sound (Musical note) has color and every color has a musical note corresponding to it. In the Lighter planes of creation, where there is no density, tone and color always appear as one. Imagine walking through a garden in Paradise, every flower in the garden has a color hence a tone. The resultant of such wonderful combination of flowers is a very enchanting music! Just as every plant strives towards the light, every flower in Paradise, indeed every blade of a flower sings to the Almighty! A symphony of praise to the Almighty, out of whose Will beauties upon beauties arise.

Everything, even humans and animals emanate both sound and colors. The higher you go in creation, the purer, clearer, and more vibrant the colors and sound appear. Each spirit in Paradise and each angel or animal swing predominantly in a particular radiation, hence has predominantly a particular color and sound. There disharmony, noise, and ugly blending of colors is impossible, since everybody knows where she or he belongs. Each homogenous species swing predominantly in a particular color. With this mind, it is not hard to imagine that spirits in their joint activity is like an orchestra. Indeed each activity radiates a different music. Since these involve mingling or working together, it is like mingling the notes of a musical instrument!

Even the grounds, the seas, the mountains, and the buildings all have colors and hence sounds. Imagine the sound that is jointly emanated from Paradise during their various actives! Even the elementals have colors and hence sounds which mingle and create music during their joint activity!

All these pure sounds from the higher planes of creation, radiate both upwards and downwards. Even on earth sensitive souls pick them up and try to emulate them; hence we have things like classical music. Some very gifted ones like Handel, or other highly called ones, though their gift of refined intuitive perception are able to perceive the music resulting from these activities above us and reproduce them with earthly instruments. This is why classical music has the power to awaken a particular or peculiar intuition in some people. Although the music is without words, one can sense the essence of the music. Some may be filled with longing while listening to a particular music, another may be filled with joy, another a liberating bliss, while to another a painful longing, depending on the nature or state of development of the listener.

A worldly woman on earth, for example, who has not totally buried her ability to perceive intuitively. She goes to a friend’s house and the friend is playing classical music on a CD player. She intuitively perceives the joyful and righteous activity above from which the music was picked by the composer of the music. It fills her with a painful longing, her spirit wants to join in the activity. And she can, even while on earth; but worldly needs and propensities holds her back. This being held back makes her longing painful; she even sheds a few tears, not knowing exactly why. And finally tells her friend, “Please stop playing this music, it makes me want to cry.” Her friend quickly turns off the music and switches to hip hop; soon they are both laughing and dancing to the hip hop!

Classical music easily goes beyond the brain and the intellect because words are usually not used; I perceive it to be the most exalted or the purest form of music. The brain and the intellect do not need to struggle to understand any words; hence, the impressions from the music goes straight to the spirit and awaken particular intuition. The one that is most homogenous, in the memory of the spirit, to the music. But it is not only classical music that has the ability to go beyond the intellect and touch the intuition, some music with singing and even acapella also carry this ability. Some musicians, usually called ones, are gifted with voices that strike an intuitive cord in people. You and I know some of them, I need not mention names; even though many fail their calling by going into worldly music. Some of them succumb to temptations and end up singing songs about sex, worldly romance, or politics, rather than using voices in service of the Almighty by awakening the souls of men. Despite their failure, the power in their voices still draw people to them or their music.

Just as the music of the activities of the pure spirits above radiate beyond their borders of their planes, our activities on earth also radiate in sound and color beyond the earth. Every tree on earth, every plant, every mountain, seas etc., all have colors and hence sound. We only perceive the color with our physical eyes, and not the sound due to the density of our material environment and our physical bodies. However, even on earth, there are people gifted with the ability to see the color of sounds. It is an ability that has astounded scientists. Some of the people we describe as having the ability known as Synesthesia are actually gifted people. For example, some synesthetic people see the musical note “C” as red. When the note is played on an instrument, they see a red cloudlike or smoke-like substance emanating from the instrument, just as smoke emanate from burning wood. Imagine what they see when they listen to classical music! Colors dancing! There are people, as well, who hear the sound of colors; this form of synesthesia is called chromesthesia. When a particular color is shown to them, they hear a sound or musical note emanating from it. Some even go as far as having the ability to smell colors and sounds. For example, according to some chromesthic people, the color yellow smells like honey! Some gifted artists(especially composers of classical music) have one form of synesthesia or another, hence they can compose such harmonious tunes, they can easily notice even the smallest note out of tone because they can see or smell the music.

Due the failure of mankind, it is mostly noise and disharmonious sounds than emanate from our activities. Only the activities of elemtals still resonate in pure melody in the worlds of matter. These impure sounds resulting from our impure activities can only sink downwards towards the darker or lower planes of matter. Noise from such spheres also reach us here. Sensitive musicians homogenous to such dark planes, can pick up such noises and recreate them with earthly musical instrument. Unfortunately most of the music we listen today emanate from the dark planes. The sounds are hardly peaceful and melodious, the words are about, sex, lust, murder, utter materialism. It does not urge listeners towards longing for the luminous heights, rather it makes you want to take off your cloths, get drunk, smoke and dance. Even the manner of dancing, shows clearly whence such music come from. For to dance means to give form to the music, to swing in its rhythm; it is the music, the rhythm that moves the dancer. Good dancers know how to give up themselves to the rhythm; this is why women who are easily at the mercy of subtler influences or influences from the beyond are better dancers; they offer no resistance to the music. And the music affects them the most! Observe the lives of some of the most popular female hip-hop and rap dancers, and how they almost always end up!

With this I don’t perchance condone the conspiracy theories that the internet is filled with. Theories that most of the popular musicians consciously worship the Devil, sell their souls, or sacrifice their loved ones. All that I explained here is at the spiritual level; some hip hop artists are actually outwardly decent people. Even though most of their music serve to facilitate and spread darkness on earth, they do not know this consciously. Due to lack of knowledge of creation, they like the average modern man, see these modern music(raps etc) as harmless pastimes. Some of them started off as ordinary gifted individuals who love music or singing; in their quest to get record deals they meet temptations to which they succumb. A record company may decided to record and promote your song only if you show more skin in the videos, or sing more about sex; because, like they say here in California, sex sells! Hence an innocent aspirant, over time, gives in to the demand of the masses! I.e. incorporates sex into her or his art, either by singing suggestive words or dancing seductively. Most of these musicians are simply victims, not conscious worshipers of darkness; they are no worst than the average man on earth.

The mistakes that these conspiracy theorists, and many among mankind, make is that they do not know how subtle darkness is. If darkness was that obvious, if it approaches people and demand they consciously worship it or sell their soul for money and fame, then it would not have won as many souls as it has. Darkness is not that obvious in its workings; if it goes after individuals obviously like that, they will simply run for their lives. Most people will rather remain poor than sign a deal with the Devil. Darkness’ most potent power is that it disguises itself, sometimes appearing as just an inconsequential pastime. That’s how it’s able to creep into otherwise very worthy causes. A little song or rap about sex and drugs, calling women the “h” word and using the “f” word. A little change of few sentences in a Holy message. These seemingly little things have racked havoc on humanity. Think of what has become of the message of Jesus and Muhammed! A little change over here and there, a new translation, here and there; overtime the message has become something else entirely.

Tobakunn:
Greetings to everyone on the thread.

Also, if you are aware of the Texts Received From the Luminous Heights through a pure channel, can you share your thoughts on it?

Thanks in advance.

Cc:Justcool

I’m aware of the texts but I do not bother about them. I cannot judge them because I haven’t read them all. Many people have sent them to me, some asking me questions about them which I always refuse to reply or answer. Like I will always tell people: The Grail Message contains all that we need to know to succeed spiritually in subsequent creation. Whoever holds the Grail message in his hands and still seek more has not arrived at the faintest idea of what he holds in his hands. When he finally delves into the message with all his strength, he will receive from it all that he will ever need.

The question I will always ask is this: “Rather than striving towards the pure channels and what they receive, why don’t you strive to become pure yourself?”

I’m really happy you asked this question; I will use this opportunity to explain to those who have e-mailed me with questions regarding the contents of the received texts, and received no reply from me. I simply do not share my perceptions on anything other than the Grail message and the texts that were published in the vicinity or proximity to Abdrushin while He was on earth.

Thanks and remain blessed.

@JonesK

Your question is very important, and I perceive it's born out of genuine seeking; hence I will share my perception. Also, I noticed that you have asked questions, earlier on this forum, which hasn't been answered. I'm sorry, I just noticed them today. Perhaps you have found the clarity you sought on those issue; otherwise let me know so that I can share my perceptions on them whenever opportunity presents itself.

JonesK:
Concerning the use of 'you', can anyone provide clarity please.

There are two German words for the English word "you". The first is "Sie" and the second is "Du." The German language of the Grail message is very refined and hence has a lot of words, each different concept gives rise to a different word. Hence "Sie" and "Du" differs. Apart from being more formal, "Sie" simply means "you"; it simply used to address a different person, the person you are talking to. "Du" also means "you," in that it refers to another person other than the person speaking, but it also refers to another person of equality.

"Du" really implies a person who is homogenous to you! In English this refinement does not exist, "you" is simply another person, the person you are speaking to or addressing irrespective of whether she/he is homogenous to you or not. Hence the German words "Sie" most closely translates to the English word "you." As opposed to "du" which implies equality or homogeneity.

You can already guess from the above distinction why it is wrong to address everybody with "Du." As you already know, everything, including the words we speak, take on form in the beyond. When you refer to somebody as "Du" you are implying that that person is the same with you! Homogenous to you and at the same level of spiritual maturity with you. Hence with this address forms arise in the beyond closely binding the addresser to the addressee. This then presents a big problem when they pass on because they are not homogenous and will, under normal circumstances, float or sink to different regions of the beyond, regions corresponding strictly to their ethereal weight or their kind. But now due to this unnatural binding, these two individuals cannot be separated after passing on. And remember, that which is lighter can descend lower, while that which is heavier can never rise higher than its weight even by the distance of a hair's breadth. Hence, assuming the addresser is lighter or spiritually higher/nobler (more righteous) than the addressee, after passing on, the lighter soul (the addresser) will be drown into the lower/darker plane where the darker soul (the addressee) belongs.

This is why "Du" should be used only among individuals of the same homogeneity. This law does not apply to those in the beyond because there only souls of the same homogeny find each other, or group together in a plane corresponding to their weight, hence they can safely address each other as "Du." That commandment refers to the German word, "Du"; not necessarily the English word, "You."

Hence, the Grail message(actually "Resonances to the Grail Message I" ) exhorts us to limit the addressing of a person as "Du" strictly among each other; i.e. among those homogenous to us.

Words are more powerful than people think. Even when they are spoken carelessly without intuitive volitions. The sounds carry energy which take on form in the beyond, and these forms correspond to the nature (actual meaning of the word) and not the intention of the speaker. The intention coming either from the spirit or intellect will take on form in a different plane. That which arises from the spirit takes on living forms in the ethereal realm and can send their influences or receive power from higher spiritual planes depending on how pure they are. That which arises from the brain (intellect) will manifest as phantoms in the planes of fine gross matter. While the spoken word will take on form in the planes of medium gross matter. These three can receive link from each other if they are harmonious, and greatly strengthen each other. Whatever the case may be, each of them is linked to the producer; whether they be forms of words, thoughts, or spiritual intention, they are all linked to the producer and will reciprocally influence her/him.

This clears the issue about people who think they can say anything as long as they don't intend it. They think that since their words lack real or spiritual intention, that it won’t have any effect. Parents with this false belief often call their kids fools, animals, devils, stupid, ekwensu, ajor nwa(bad child) etc. And when the kids grow up to become irresponsible adults, they (the parents) will blame it on their neighbor’s juju. The words you speak take on form the planes of medium gross matter, a form corresponding or having the energy corresponding to the meaning of the word, whether you mean it or not!

If you look carefully and intuitively, you will see that the modern man heaps sins upon sins on himself in this regards. I know a married couple who call each "dear me." The wife calls the husband "Me or dear Me" and the husband does the same. People praise this poisonous outgrowth of modern life, but it is wrong and opposed to the laws of creation. One should never refer to another human being as "me." Often we go to Nigerian homes where the husband joins the children in calling his wife, "mommy" and in some cases the wife also calls her husband "Daddy." It is my perception that all these things are wrong, since they do not correspond to the Truth of their relationship, hence only unhealthy forms and binding can result from them.

But it is not wrong for couples who genuinely love each other to address one another as, "My darling, my love, sweetheart, etc." The bottom line is to be truthful and simple in your speaking; we should call anything only what it actually is. We should not call our wives our mother, to avoid wrong knotting of threads that will make our lives difficult and hinder our spiritual accent. Even when traditions or religions teach us to do so, we must not. For the laws of creation and the threads of faith that arise from our actions do not care about our religious laws or practices. We should not refer to another human being as “My Lord.” We have only two Lords: Jesus and Imanuel.

To avoid sinning in this regards, Jesus has already shown us the way, "But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.”

Thanks and remain blessed.

shinealight:


Hey Justcool.....are you trying to say something with your (.) ? If so, I believe you have my email address!

@ Shinealight
I didn’t intend to say anything to you by that.
I saw your post concerning my explanation to anna7 and after reading it I felt no urge to reply at that time, since my explanation already said it all, and I would not like this fine thread to degenerate to a thread for argument.

All I can say to you is that you decided to see the disintegration talked about in the added verses as the premature one; this is totally your choice and not perchance what the text suggested.

The original text, described disintegration of matter that comes when matter has reached a certain stage in its evolution, and which must proceed irrespective of the condition of the inhabitants of the terrestrial globe in question. All through the lecture it was describing the unalterable process; nowhere in that lecture did it mention premature disintegration that the incarnation of the son of man prevented.

The added verse said that the AFORE-MENTIONED periodic disintegration was only due to the fault of man! AFORMENTIONED means that which has been mentioned already in the lecture. However in the lecture the aforementioned was described as a process that must proceed irrespective of the condition of the inhabitants!

If you don’t see that contradiction, it is totally your choice. You just decided to do away with the obvious contradiction by accepting that the added text was talking about the premature disintegration that could and was avoided. However, the added verse said, AFORMENTIONED!!! It didn’t introduce the premature disintegration, rather it continued to explain the disintegration that was already introduced and explained in the lecture, but then it gave a contradictory explanation of it.

There are two types of disintegration, or two causes of disintegration. One is caused as a natural consequence and is unalterable and must proceed irrespective of the condition of the inhabitants of the globe. The other is the premature one caused by the condition (sins) of the inhabitants of the concerned globe.
The lecture mentioned and described the first one as something that must happen when its stage is reached irrespective of the condition of the inhabitants of the concerned globe, and later it was added to the lecture that the[b] AFORE-MENTIONED[/b] disintegration was a consequence of the sins of man.

It is surprising that some people don’t see the contradiction; what’s more surprising is that some people chose to believe that the added verse was talking about the premature type of disintegration even though it clearly said, THE AFORE-MENTIONED!

If the added verse had said, “In addition to the afore-mentioned, there is another cause of disintegration…” that would have corresponded to the Truth.

Also, if an individual believes that the added verse is talking about the premature disintegration, then that’s enough evidence to such an individual that the added verse was not authored by the same author! Otherwise the author would have known or remembered the type of disintegration he described in that lecture, and would not have contradicted himself by saying, “THE AFORE-MENTIONED…”

The choice is yours.

Thanks and remain blessed.

@basille

basille:
Where can i get hardcopy of this book in lagos?

You can walk into any Grail center and purchase a copy of the 3 volume edition of the Grail message that was published after the departure of Abdrushin. In Lagos you can obtain it at the following address:

GRAILLAND Iju Hills,
P.O. BOX 4157,
Lagos, Nigeria.
+234 1 742 9548
administration@grailland.com

However there is another edition which the author published Himself; this edition you may not find in the Grail centers. But if you genuinely seek, you will find it, even online. I cannot give links to it because it is neither to be advertised, commercially promoted, nor solicited.

I wish you strength.

Speer:
Hello and Thank you Justcool.
Re: Lecture in Vol.3------Survey of Creation
In this lecture, there are references to children in the second plane of Primordial Creation;
"The second section holds developed ones in the Primordial Spiritual Realm. Therefore children are to be found there for the first time, which do not appear in the uppermost section; for children can only exist where development takes place."
"It is true, Primordial Creation is Primordial Spiritual, but there is also a world of development in the Primordial Spiritual which is below Primordial Creation proper and, connected with the latter, they both form the Primordial Spiritual Realm, where there are consequently Primordial Spiritual Primordial Beings who were immediately able to be fully matured without any transition as being the strongest and most powerful ones; and then following, Primordial Spiritual Developed Beings, who must begin their life as children."

The Grail Message did not say that there are children on the second plane of Primordial Creation; rather it said that there are children in the second section of Primordial creation.

Please, do read these lectures very carefully and with an alert intuition, otherwise you will miss some subtle clues and understanding will be impossible.

The designation ‘section’ used here, denotes many planes, or comprises many planes. The Primordial Spiritual sphere comprises seven planes. I use the term ‘Primordial Spiritual sphere’ to signify all planes of Primordial spiritual. This sphere can be divided into two major sections; an upper section and a lower section.

The upper section comprises three planes. It is this section (these three planes) that is called Primordial Creation because in them are found Primordial spirits and beings that took on form as fully mature spirits and beings from the radiation of Parsifal. Here there is no development because everything started as fully developed.
The first plane of this section is the plane of activity of the four Primordial spiritual knights, each corresponding to the radiations of the four winged animals in the first plane of the Divine sphere.
The second plane is where we find the field of activity of the three female Primordial spirits: Johanna, Cella, and Josepha.
The third plane is the where we find the field of activity of Vasitha, as the gate keeper. This plane marks the end or the termination point of this upper section of Primordial spiritual sphere. Like I said earlier, this upper section of Primordial spiritual sphere is called Primordial creation. Hence the plane of activity of Vasitha marks the termination point of Primordial creation

Under the first section or Primordial spiritual sphere, or under Primordial creation, we find the lower section of Primordial spiritual sphere. This lower section comprises four planes; it is in this section that we find children along with adults. The first plane of this section which is at the same time the fourth plane of the Primordial spiritual sphere, is where we find the isle of Rose, isle of Lily, and the isle of swans. The fourth, last, or lowest plane of this section which is at the same time the lowest or seventh plane of the Primordial spiritual sphere is where we find the island of Patmos.

Hence children are found in the second section of the Primordial spiritual sphere which comprises the four lowest planes of the Primordial spiritual sphere. In other words, children are found only in the last four planes of the Primordial spiritual sphere.

Speer:

and references to children in the second plane of the spiritual wherein they share space with fully conscious spirits that have come back from the World of Matter in the same plane;
"And just as previously in the Primordial Spiritual, there is also a second section in the Spiritual in need of development, and where there are consequently children in addition to those who have matured through development. These two sections together form the Spiritual Part of Creation."

The children in second section of the spiritual sphere do not share space or share plane with the fully conscious spirits that have come back from the World of matter. This is a misunderstanding which many have made due to the nature of the English language and translation.

When the Grail message said, in the verse that you quoted, that: “…and where there are consequently children in addition to those who have matured through development. These two sections together form the Spiritual Part of Creation.” It is my perception that the expression “those who have matured through development.” Refer to that adults or grown-ups in the spiritual; these adults or grown-ups were once children. They developed from childhood to adulthood, in their plane of origin, without needing to incarnate into the world of matter. They are did not originate as spirit-germs but rather as children.

What I explained about the two sections of the Primordial spiritual sphere is applicable to the spiritual sphere. You don’t find children on the second plane of the spiritual sphere. You only find children on the second section of the spiritual sphere. Like the Primordial spiritual, the spiritual sphere also comprises seven planes. These seven planes can be grouped into sections; the upper and lower section of the spiritual sphere, each section consisting of many planes. As with the Primordial spiritual, development is found in the second section of the spiritual sphere, and hence we find children along with grown-ups in this section.

Below the last or seven planes of the Spiritual sphere there is a ring of spiritual precipitation, where spirit-germs gather as the termination point of all that is spiritual. It is here that the fully conscious spirits that have come back from the World of Matter, originated. It is also here that they return after their sojourn in the World of matter. During creation or formation of this plane, the animals(substantiate) were able to take on form, so were the beautiful landscapes, the meadows, flowers, plants, trees, etc., except the spiritual. The spiritual here could only come into being as germs, seedlings, or spirit-germs. They couldn’t even immediately take on the form of children as did the spiritual above and the Primordial spiritual. They (the spirit-germs) had to descend into matter in order to take on form as they awaken and develop.

This is given to us in the lecture, “Spiritual Planes 1.” From the Resonances to the Grail Message. From that lecture we read:

[b]“But the developed human spirits, to which earthmen belong, originate neither in the afore-mentioned first nor in the second collective spiritual plane, but they issue from the last precipitation of spiritual substance, which does not hold enough strength to be able to form itself and become conscious in the second plane of the spirit.
Neither could this precipitation remain there since it was no longer able to withstand the pressure of the Light even at this more remote place, after that part had severed and formed itself which was able to do so, on this second plane. Thus the part left over, being the last precipitation, had to recede still further into yet deeper cooling-off possibilities.
But here also, being the weakest part and last precipitation of the spiritual, it was not possible for this precipitation to become conscious of its own accord without receiving an impulse from outside. That is why they remained only human spirit-germs, although capable of development and filled with the urge for it by their spiritual nature, yet not strong enough to awaken of themselves, and thus to take on form in the process of becoming conscious.
The spiritual nature of plants and animals and everything else in this last condensation was still able to form itself and produce glorious populated landscapes; these do not require the strength of personal self- consciousness as is the case with creatures of the human spiritual which can form only out of the special spiritual nature which bears within it self-volition, thus being of a different spiritual species than that from which plants and animals are able to form themselves.
It is only there that the spirit of earthman as such originates in the great Creation; here is also where arose and where is the Paradise of the human spirits that develop toward perfection; it is the plane of their actual origin and at the same time of their return upon perfection!”[/b] (Abdrushin)

This lecture appears as “Primordial Spiritual Planes I” in the three volume edition. However in the three volume edition, the fourth paragraph was taken out; thereby terribly weakening the explanation and allowing errors to arise in the mind of readers. However, this paragraph makes it clear that everything (plants and animals) came into being in this plane except the human spiritual which came into being as germs.

Also the first and second collective spiritual planes mentioned in the quoted verse refer to The Primordial spiritual sphere and The spiritual sphere. Here He said “Collective spiritual plane” the term collective denotes the fact that He was referring to many planes; hence, spheres consisting of many planes. A sphere is a collective plane; in order words, it contains many planes. Here the reader must be very careful to understand what the message is saying; otherwise the language will lead him astray. When the verse is understood in this sense, the reader realizes that the developed human spirit originated neither in the Primordial spiritual nor in the Spiritual but in the ring or plane of spiritual precipitation below the spiritual sphere.

But in earlier explanations, sometimes this plane of spiritual precipitation is described as the lowest part of the Spiritual sphere, so as not make the explanation too long. But as you further go in the message, certain things that were grouped together before are separated and explained in more detailed manner. Hence the Lectures in the Resonance to the Grail message are an extension of the explanations that were hinted into the Grail message.

This paradise of man, the plane of spiritual precipitation also has many parts; but the parts are arranged side by side and not one above or below the other. Hence after sojourning in the World of matter, the developed human spirit will return to Paradise and join the part that is homogenous to him.

Speer:

For the secondary Primordial Spiritual plane, is there a fixed amount of Primordial Spiritual Developed Beings who first come into consciousness as children or are they continually expanding in number i.e. children are continually coming into conscious being in the second Primordial plane as time goes on?
As an aside, I was under the impression that there are only a fixed number of Primordial Spiritual Beings who come into consciousness in the first plane of Primordial Creation.

Creation is alive and constantly expanding; however, I have not come across where it says in the Grail Message that children are continually coming into being. So it is my perception that there is a fixed number of children. But there are so many, countless in ability of the human brain, and they are gradually developing. Some of them are still children and may even remain so; while other are developing to youths, while some have developed to adulthood.

Also, it is my perception that there is a fixed number Primordial spiritual Beings who came into consciousness in the first section of the Primordial spiritual sphere. However, most of them were not mentioned in the message, only those that are connected to us in the way of radiation are mentioned to us. Even those mentioned to us, there are thousands of others under their leadership or radiation. For example, each of the four Grail knights mentioned in the first ring or plane of Primordial creation has so many primordial spiritual beings under him in his realm and working under his radiation. And also, being spirits, they have female counterparts. But that which is female leads upwards and not downwards, hence in the explanation which goes downwards to us in subsequent creation, some of the female were left out.

It is my perception that there more Primordial spiritual beings than the human mind can count.

But like I said, creation is ever evolving, getting bigger and better. Remember that when a Primordial spiritual being is sent into the world of matter, only his volition, as a part of him will take on form and descend into matter. After such mission, it is my perception that such a volition on returning back to his plane of origin, can remian personal. Hence one can say that the Primordial spiritual being becomes twofold.
Jesus remained personal after returning to God the father. The son of man that incarnated on earth, issuing from Parsifal and Imanuel remained personal. His incarnation into the Primordial spiritual sphere, where He spent his youth, before descending into the earth, increased the Primordial spiritual sphere both in size, strength, and number; as many beings accompanied Him in their volitions. Their volitions took on forms and followed Him down into subsequent creation.

Also by their lives on earth, the two sons of God were able to increase the number of Primordial spiritual beings. Just as the nearness to a human spirit can strengthen an animal soul to the extent of it remaining personal after laying aside its clocks; nearness to the Son of God has the same strengthening effect to the human spirit. Hence those who were close enough to Jesus and truly loved and served Him while HE was on earth, even though they may be human spirits that originated from spirit-germs, may be able to step into the spiritual sphere above Paradise or even into the second section of the Primordial spiritual sphere after their sojourn in the world of matter! They become the newest or youngest Primordial spiritual beings!

Speer:

For the Spiritual planes, I have the same question as above...............and also, do the fully-developed spirits (back from the World of Matter) share the same plane as these "children"?

I have already answered this. The answer is a definite NO! They do not share the same plane, for they are not exactly the same type of spirits, neither do they originate from the same plane.
For the sake of being brief, we often say that there are two types of spirit: Primordial Spirits, and Spirits. However, if we wish to go deeply into it, we must add a third type; the spirits that develop from spirit germs. Hence in reality, there are three basic types of spirit: (1) Primordial Spirits, (2) Spirits or regular Spirits, (3) Spirits that develop from spirit-germs. Earthman belongs to the third group.

Speer:

For both cases, what kind of development do these children undergo----------they obviously do not have to learn lessons like the unconscious spirit germs i.e. how do they develop into full Beings/what is their development a function of?
Thanks.

These children are simply not as knowledgeable as adults, but they are pure. It is their purity that allows them to be retained in such high planes. Due to their purity, they do not do evil; only that they do not know enough and hence will not have as much tasks as adults. The more they desire to know, they more they attract knowledge or attract experiences that will awaken them more; and the more they know the more their body takes on the form of an adult. And the more they know, the more tasks they undertake and reciprocally the more they mature. They may remain children, and as long as they are pure, they are not cast out. Even the desire to know, will not cast them out when it awakens in them because they can achieve the knowledge they desire in their respective planes.

It depends on what you mean by “lessons.” They do learn lessons, even matured spirits still learn lessons. There is no end to maturity. The only ones who one can say that they do not need to know more as they are perfect are those in the first section of the Primordial Spiritual sphere, those in Primordial creation and those in the upper section of the Spiritual sphere. However, their knowledge is full in regards only to their activity and plane of origin. If they had to be sent to the world of matter, they will have to learn about life here. One thing that they will know clearly is what is pure and what is not pure; but they need to learn how to operate here. Hence even a primordial spiritual being sent to the earth has to start on earth as a child.
Their(The Children in above) development is a function or living embodiment of their knowledge and activity. Hence, like I said, they more they know and taken on responsibility, they more their forms take on that of an adult.
However, their learning does not involve karma or suffering. Such only arises as a consequence of evil. Even we human spirits need not suffer karma to become mature; if we had not misused our free-will, we could have matured joyfully.
Also, even in the paradise of human spirits, there are people of all sizes. One must not think that all human spirits must attain exactly the same level of maturity before returning to paradise. Although a certain level of maturity is prerequisite, what all must achieve before being allowed to return home is purity. Hence in Paradise maturity continues! There are people who will return as grown-ups while some will return as youths, to continue to grow. Some people on earth learn so much that they mature to spiritual adulthood even while still in the world of matter. However knowledgeable a spirit grows on earth, if he has achieved purity(karmalessness or guiltlessness) will to be allowed to return. He must settle all accounts in the world of matter. In reality, it is only purity that drives anything upwards, be it prayer, volition, or man himself; not power or knowledge, or maturity.
Also not all spirits sill attain the same size and brightness. Just as not all adults on earth have the same size and height; the same is applicable spiritually. Even though some adults may not be tall based on their genes, but you can tell they are matured adults. Just as not all adult plants of the same specie grow to the same high and shape. Even in Paradise, there will be variety! There will be groups, and even leaders. Remember, even the Grail castles there will have priests. However all are equal in value because all are pure.

Thanks and remain blessed.

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Speer:

Hello and thanks Justcool,
Had please wanted to inquire as to where animals first appear in Creation. Given the development of Subsequent Creation as a natural development/outgrowth of First/Primordial Creation ("as above, so below".......... do we then have animals (spiritual forms/prototypes) in the Primordial planes and if so, where do the first appear and in what form and what would be their function.
Thanks and have a purposeful week.

Yes. There are animals in all spheres of creation and even above creation; in the Divine sphere, up to the steps of throne of God.

Let’s start from the Divine substantial sphere and go downwards. Remember the four winged animals mentioned in the Revelation of John; namely: The Ram, The Lion, The Eagle and the Bull. These are the four animals at the steps leading to throne of God; one can metaphorically say that they guard the Throne of God, they are in the upper part of the Divine substantial sphere; one can equally say that they( the four winged animals) are on the first ring or plane of Divine substantiality.
Of course by the virtue of the height of their plane of existence, you can already envisage that they possess extremely pure forms, and are perfect in their service to God. In such proximity to God, self-will is not possible; the enormous power of God compels everything to swing unconditionally in the will of God. Hence these four animals swing unconditionally in the will of God, desiring nothing else; this nature of theirs took on form too as their wings. The wings represent unconditional swinging in the will of God, hence the angels bear wings too; hence also, Lucifer lost his wings when he deviated from the will of God. The spiritual, no matter how evolved, never bear wings because the spirit has free-will and always follows its own will. These four winged animals are connected to creation because all the basic components in creation issued out of their radiations. I.e. the radiation that coalesced in creation as the spiritual(Primordial spiritual and spiritual) issued out of the Ram. Hence those radiations which could not take on form in the Divine substantiate sphere, and which took on form under the light giving rays of Parsifal, forming our creation, all issued from these four animals.
Of course these four animals are Divine substantiate beings, as opposed to the animals on earth or in subsequent creation which are animistic beings. These four winged animals are not spirits either; they are far more conscious than any spirit (even the strongest and most conscious Primordial Spirit) can become. These four winged animals in the first plane of Divine substantiate sphere are so big that each of them is bigger than the earth.


Like I explained long time ago, in all parts of creation there are two types of creatures: The spiritual and The substantiate. The spiritual possessing free-will and the substantiate swinging unconditionally in the will of God, hence having no free-will. To the substantiate belong all animals, angels, elementals and lords of the elementals.

In the Primordial part of creation we have Primordial spirits and Primordial substantiate beings. Hence, there we have Primordial spirits, angels, animals etc. The animals in the Primordial part of creation are not the same as the animals on earth which are animistic. Although having the same form (indeed a far purer and nobler form) as the animals on earth, the animals in the Primordial spiritual sphere are Primordial substantiate beings.

Below the Primordial Spiritual part of creation we have Spiritual creation, the spiritual planes or the spiritual sphere, the lowest part of which is the true home of man. Here also we have the spiritual and Substantiate. Just as the spiritual here is not just a weaker but also an entirely different specie or type of spirit than the Primordial spirits above, so are the substantiate in this sphere weaker and entirely different type of substantiate than the Primordial substantiate. The animals in sphere belong to the substantiate in this sphere which is different from the substantiate in the Primordial spiritual sphere; and also different from the animals on earth which, as I have said already, belong to animistic.

Like I said earlier, the lowest part of this sphere( a sphere comprises many planes), or directly below this sphere(the spiritual sphere) is a plane or ring where spirit germs collect. These are the spirit germs that descend into subsequent creation when they are matured enough to long for self-consciousness. This is the point of origin of earthmen, their true home, the plane where they return after their wondering in the world of matter as mature/developed human spirits or as unconscious spirits germs, depending on their own volition. Here too, we have the spiritual and substantiate. The spiritual or spirits here are those that developed from spirit germs, the spirit germs that once left this plane and returned to it, from the worlds of matter, as self-conscious human spirits. These spirits are not exactly the same with those in the upper part of spiritual part of creation or sphere, who did not have to incarnate into matter for development. In this lowest plane of the spiritual sphere there are also animals, but the animals did not have to incarnate into the world of matter for development. The animals here too belong to substantiate, of course a substantiate of a lower order than the substantiate on the higher planes of the spiritual sphere. This plane forms the termination point of all that is spiritual.

Below the spiritual sphere there is a sphere or ring of a special type of substantiality called animistic. In the highest part of this sphere there is situated the fastness of the lord of the elementals, these castles were known to the ancients as Valhalla, Olympus, etc. This is the planes of activity of the Lords of the elementals: Jupiter, Mars, Venus, etc. These are created elementals; they took on form from the radiation of the Light without needing to descend into matter as elemental germs. Below them and under their hierarchy are the lower elementals like gnomes, salamanders, elves, these known to the ancients as fairies, develop from elemental or animistic germs. In the lowest plane of this sphere is also the origin of the germs or souls of all animals in the world of matter. This is ring marks the highest point were the animals on earth can return after wondering in the worlds of matter; however, as you already know, they can return to dwell permanently here if they had united with the ray of Love during their wondering, or they can return to dissolve again and merge into group souls. This plane forms the termination point of all that is substantiate and all that is mobile. All that is animistic belong to substantiality; or in other words, the animistic is a special type of substantiality. It is different and lower type of substantiality than the substantiality in the spiritual sphere, which in turn is different and lower than the substantiality in the Primordial sphere.

Below the sphere of animistic substantiality lie the worlds of matter. Matter is immobile by itself. It has to be permeated or glowed through by the animistic in-order to become mobile or alive. Hence it only serves as covering/cloaks or dwelling places. The souls of animals here, of course originate from the ring of animistic substantiality, like I explained above. They only wear their material bodies as cloaks or coverings. However the forms of these cloaks are unpublished, rough or coarse reflections of the forms of the animals above. Just as the form of our physical bodies are rough or coarse reflections of the forms of the Spirits above. The higher you go in creation, the purer, nobler, radiant, beautiful, bigger, brighter, and powerful the forms appear. Hence lions on earth are very rough and small representations of the lions in the spiritual sphere, which in turn are rough and smaller representations of the lions in the Primordial sphere. Yet these ones in the Primordial sphere are a far cry from the one at the steps of the Throne of God in the first ring of the sphere of Divine substantiality.

Just like in the worlds above, in the worlds of matter we also have the spiritual and the substantiate. The spirits or spiritual are the spirit-germs that descended from the lowest plane of the spiritual sphere for development; while to the substantiate belong the animals whose souls/germs descended from the sphere of animistic substantiality, and also the elementals that work in water, rocks(planets), air, fire(emanations or radiations), and even those that works on flowers and plants.

In reality, only the animals originating from the sphere of animistic substantiality should be called animals; the ones originating from the higher parts of creation or above creation, although having nearly the same forms with the ones originating from the sphere of animistic substantiality, should be called beings. But we call all of them animals for the lack of a better word.

Thanks and remain blessed.