₦airaland Forum

mrmayor:
FIVE: Don't listen to critics; just get on with the job that needs to be done.I agree,thats why African Rulers kill all critics,just like George Bush sent his fellow Americans to die in a stupid war because he didn't listen to critics after all God told him to invade Iraq.

LoL, wonderful.

mrpataki:
@mrmayor,
Maybe you might need to go back to your cock and bull story in the sexuality thread. The story here is real and actually worth living with!

What makes it real?

I try to wish my enemies, if any, well. On the otherhand, I can't do the same for the enemies of my loved ones. It's weird.

Orikinla:
Believe it or not, they exist.

Evidence? Remember anecdotes aren't evidence.

How come those who are possessed by Mammy Water speak in strange tongues of Ison kingdom when they have never been there at all.

I had a girlfriend from Delta region in Nigeria who confessed that when she was delivered, her python left her. And the first time I wanted to make love to her, she was manifesting and I thought she was about to die.

I guess you're being cheeky here.

If God says evil spirits exist, who are we to doubt their existence?
Except you don't believe in God.

I don't believe in God, but still, I don't think believing in the Christian God means believing every superstitious rubbish and outlandish claim.

Have you not heard of Queen of the Coast.

Those who are ranting about science and all that jazz, go and ask Pastor Daniel Olukoya of the Mountain of Fire and Miracles who has a first class honours degree in Microbiology from the University of Lagos, Nigeria and a PhD in Molecular Genetics from the University of Reading, United Kingdom and has over 70 scientific publications to his credit.

Let's ignore the fallacy of appealing to authority and concentrate on what Dr. Olukoya has said about mermaids. What has he said? Does he have any evidence? And, shouldn't it be ignored in much the same way we should ignore spurious claims by other intelligent people?

My mother never lied to me, and I believed it when she told me how she saw a mermaid live in the river.

She either lied, was mistaken, or you're mistaken.

naijaking1:
Mammy water or memaid is a universal myth , and occurs in all cultures.
No be only naija get their own version.
From South America to the Indian sub-continent to Nordic nations.
Ever heard of the Scottish Lockness monter?

Mermaids don't occur in all culture, but, yes, they do occur in many cultures. The Lochness monster is not a mermaid.

redsun:
@orinkinya,the fact that olukoya believe does not make it real,mermaid is an imaginary sea creature and it is not originally an african myth but english.Mermaid belief is just like belief in god,believe if it make sense to you.

I disagree. There's no reason to believe that the belief in the existence of mermaids originated with the English. Like other myths and archetypes, believing mermaids exist is not necessarily the invention of one region or culture.

stimulus:
@mrmayor,

I didn't think you meant any offences.

The thing is that it is recycled news - and they've done it again and again since 2005! If you follow the links for the 3 years (200[b]5[/b], 200[b]6[/b], 200[b]7[/b]) the news have been so-called "updated", you will find just one thing: it's retold in new vocab! The pictures remain the same, the circumctances and gist of the news are the same; there hasn't been any tangible "update"! The BBC has done this with a number of news items in the religious and African news sections - and not many people have noticed.

Wait until 2008, and I bet you, the BBC will definitely recycle the same news - of course, in dressed up journalistic jargon.

The news articles are different: each new one contains an update. Read the three of them.

Long One:
@ Tornadoz, i feel you man. That must be the answer, all those chics i tried to part their legs all to no avail, i knew there was definitely somthing FISHY about them.

I see what you did there

agbola:
well they exist ooo
but as moondust and enitan said they are spirits and they have the power to possess and manifest in people and make them do things. I have seen som1 possessed with the mermaid spirit being delivered. I have a friend who 1 day went to kuramo beach. He saw this fine babe whom he decided to block and started chyking her, they kept talkin until d babe started draggin him nearer to the beach, she later told him that they should go and play in the water. thank God say my guy don hear enough gist about ho these babes operate, he told her he wanted to get somtin and fled. them no need tell am say mammy water dey again.

She probably wanted to fulfill her beach sex fantasy. Pity she chose Mr. Superstitious - even though your anecdote isn't true.

Horus:
The New Testament, the Church, and Christianity were all creations of Calpurnius Piso’s family, who were Roman Aristocrats. The New Testament and all the characters in it, including Jesus, all the Josephs, all the Mary’s, all the Disciples, Apostles, Paul, and John the Baptist are fictional. The Piso’s created the story and the characters and they tied the story into a specific time and place in history. Then they connected it with some peripheral actual people, such as the Herods, Gamaliel, the Roman procurators, etc. But Jesus and everyone involved with him were created (that is, fictional!) characters. The whole story of Jesus was made up as a big play by the Romans, and Jesus was made a hero savior by Piso. The story of Joseph in Egypt was rewritten, then inserted into the Gospel of Jesus. Isn’t that a coincidence? The story came from Tama-Re (Egypt), and this is something I’ve been telling you for years.

Untrue. John the Baptist and Paul appear in history independent of the New Testament. Several of the disciples and Mary Magdalene are also subjects of Gnostic Gospels. The rest of your claims are debatable.

thesilent1:
maybe not as there is no email KAG!!! you tease!!!

Not my fault; I blame the site's administrator.

thesilent1:
pray, do explain. i am curious

They've both claimed that natural disasters and attacks are God's MO.

debosky:
that question seems to place God and humans on the same pedestal. let me give a parallel illustration

suppose a wildlife documentary cameraman watches as a leopard sneaks up on a gazelle and eats it, would the guy be an 'acessory' to the murder of the gazelle in the court of the animal kingdom?

If the gazelle depends or looks up to you, yes, you would be expected to try to prevent its death.

So Silent1 are you saying that the Bible God is not omniscient or omnipotent?

Tweetie:
Dont call yourself a christian if you don't believe in those things because it is as good as not believing any story in the bible. it's either you believe it all or you don't believe any part of it. No sitting on the fence mate!

But what does believing in those things entiail? also, does that mean that the vast majority of Christians are not Christians - even though they've done the whole Jesus and repentant sinner thing - simply because they don't interprete Old Testament myths literally?

thesilent1:
OUCH

not very nice coming from hatfield; i used to live there! LOL

truth is that NO god ever seems to fight earthly battles for themselves. its us humans that tend to kill and maime all in OUR God's name. and that goes for nearly if not all RELIGIONS!!!!

good thing i hate religion.

That's not what Falwell and Robertson said. Just saying.

Why Is It That Nairaland Is Full Of Fanatics?

Quelle fanatics?

ricadelide:
my main issue was who will one beleive?

Certainly not Kent Hovind and certainly not the person that can't even be consistent in their approach to the interpretation of the Bible and can't be honest about it.

i don't know so much about geology or other fields,

You should look into geology and the other fields. In fact, a global flood was falsified over a century ago by geologists that included Christians.

but i do beleive that there definitely was a literal flood, if there wasn't Jesus wouldn't have quoted it as well as Peter. (Luke 17;26-30, 2Pet. 3;3-7).

Their love is bound to end the way Romeo and Juliet's did. Alsa, it began to unravel when, like the Ancient Mariner, he shot and killed the albatross of their love: her career.

I guess Romeo and Juliet and the Ancient Mariner are all real too.

i've witnessed first-hand the propaganda in evolutionary biology, and i'm very sure the same people behind that can mastermind a counter theory in geology and other fields.

LoL, no doubt. I bet it's those pesky Evolution Mafia or the E.A.C. Who can doubt that those bastards planted ERVs in humans and apes just to make it look like evolution happened? To make matters worse, they also planted fossils like dinosaur bones, etc just to deconvert we the faithful. The cheek of it! As a final coup de grace, they made sure that we'd all suddenly believe that various branches of cosmology and theoretical physics (with their fancy telescopes, quantum physics and stellar calculations), geology (with their different forms of radiometric dating, varves, etc), biology and history, would all show that the Universe and the Earth are billions of years old and contradict literalism.

the question is 'if there was a flood, what will the evidence be?' massive erosions, fossilizations, oil etc. and those can be observed. so the evidence is not inconsistent with the flood.
i'm sure if we had honest scientists that were not influenced by other things, that would be the common knowledge.

No, we expect to see massive erosions, fossilisations, oil, etc without a [b]GLOBAL[/B] flood. What would we expect to see if there was a global flood? I suspect we'd expect to see uniform forms of erosion around the world, no uniform geologic column anywhere in the world, organisms that shouldn't be in the same time/layer fossilised together all over the world, no intact and long lastiing varves and, finally, the waters that flooded the entire Earth.

By the way, are you implying that the vast majority of scientists are not honest because they don't agree with what is clearly a flawed reading of the Bible?

As for your initial question if we are talking about the God of the bible, who is omnipotent, that is not an issue. if He could create the universe, a little water to cover just one of his planets shouldn't be an issue. If however, one is to believe evolution, then one can reject it happening; no wahala.

So, what you're essentially saying is that God magicked in the water to flood the Earth, put civillisations like the Egyptians and the Chinese into a bubble, and then after the flood was careful to remove the evidence that a flood occured? Interesting. And no, one doesn't have to accept evolution to reject lunacy.

I believe the bible, even with the amount of attack that have been tried to use to discredit it, it still has the power to save and does. cheers.

Good to know.

ricadelide:
at least in the US, divorce rates are on the rise, teen pregnancies are on the rise, abortions are on the rise, etc.

Just in the US? Are they at the worst they've been, statistically speaking?

however, not to be rude or anything, we don't have the same basis for judging negatives and positives, so there's really no point.

Then feel free to use the negatives that Frosbel mentioned.

ricadelide:
in YOUR opinion.
perspective; relative to the earth,

I guess you're not as literal a reader as you suggested. However, a literal reading of those texts have been good enough for the geocentrists. Read literally, it becomes clear that in those two verses, the Sun did startling things that suggested a geocentric solar system. In the first, we are told that the "Sun stood still". Not the Sun looked like it was standing still , not from your perspective that's not happening and the Earth is rotating around the Sun. It was, "the Sun stood still". In the second, the Sun moves backwards. I'm sure that's self explanatory. Only a non-literal reading of those verses could satisfy the idea of an Earth that revolves around the Sun.

circle of the earth - earth is not flat. He took him in the spirit realm, there is no distance in the spirit realm.

A circle is flat and the verse says it took him up to a "high mountain", not the spiritual realm.

when next i have time; i'd go into it.

In your own time.

explained in the bible. go to, www.drdino.com

You're a biologist that uses Kent Hovind?! Maybe these are the last days. If it's Hovind's theory on the wter canopy etc you want me to look up, I'll have you know beforehand that he was wrong (even others that illogically hold to a worldwide flood because of their interpretation will tell you that). If it isn't then tell me what you want me to look up. In all honesty, though, that anyone is still taken in by Kent is testament to the staying power of bad information and blind ignorance (I have to say the weird illogic is all starting to make sense now).

highly improbable for humans, not for God. the question is, who will you believe?

Evidence or the suggestions of one.

Are African Christians 'obsessed' By Gay Issues

In a word, yes. I agree with Archbishop Tutu.

ricadelide:
@the silent,i usually agree with you but i have to disagree here. Fine, the sin hasn't changed. However, the degree has. there are statistcs, and they show that in the last 50 years, a lot of negatives have been on a spiking increase.

What statistics? Are the "negatives" more now than any other time in history? How were they calculated?

ricadelide:
@my good friend KAG,don't mix falsehood with truth. the bible doesn't teach that snakes talk, it says the serpent in the garden did.

Potaeto; Potahto. In my opinion, the Eden narrative wasn't mean't to be read literally and the snake wasn't a literal talking snake.

t doesn't teach that the solar system is geocentric

Not unless you go a for a literal reading. Remember Joshua and the Sun standing still and Hezekiah and the Sun going back.

or that the earth is stationary and flat; quite the opposite.

In Psalm 104: 5

Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

1st Chronicles 16:30

Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.

Isaiah 40:22

the circle of the earth; and the Devil showing Jesus all the kingdoms of the world from a high mountain.

the universe and the earth are CANNOT be billions of years old,

You're kidding right?

a worldwide flood could have occured and a wooden boat could have held all the various kinds of land animals (note, not species - that is mixing error with truth).

Apart from where the water to cover the entire Earth could have come from and receded to, what is a kind?

I believe in a literal reading of biblical HISTORY.
Bring your evidence to the contrary so we can trash them. Cheers.

To the contrary of what? That the Eden account and several other aspects of the Bible should not be read literally? Or that if read literally many of the narratives are highly improbable?

thesilent1:
@KAG,
come one now, i expected a lot more from you. lol

No, no really: the guy Mr. Deity was talking to is Larry; Lucifer is in episode 4, IIRC.

ricadelide:
goal; to determine if God is reasonable or 'how reasonable GOd is'
strategy; ask him about which religion 'got it right'

It's a good place to start: the response can tell a person all that's needed to be known.

how does that tell if the God is reasonable?

If, like the example I gave, the response is "I'll rip you apart for asking me a question" then I suspect I would [gulp]know. If, however, the response is "the Hopi indians", then I'd probably have to ask follow-up questions - if the being doesn't mind.

Lets say his answer is atheism (LOL) will that tell you anything about his reasoning facilities?

Yes - the God likes a laugh and is most likely reasonable.

can't you see your assumptions; first, that he reasons the way you reason, and thus if he chooses a religion that seems unreasonable to you then he is unreasonable. You are assuming that what seems reasonable to you should seem so to him. that is arrogant and foolish.

Not quite. I'm assuming that being a deity that it will be able to relate things in terms that I can understand. And yes, it chooses an unreasonable religion (what? You mean Xenu is real? No way!) then yeah, I suppose that, until it shows otherwise, that the deity would be unreasonable too. And I'm not assuming that what seems reasonable to me should seem reasonable to her, I'm saying that since it is from my point of view, that she's either reasonable in light of what the word has been defined to mean or she isn't.

Second, that God's 'reason' or mental capabilities is shown in the 'right religion' - can't we say that the religion in itself is seperate from his reasoning faculties?

I'm saying the response can reveal a lot about the reasoning of the deity. The religion can e seperate from her, but her response could tell a lot.

and that, rather than use reason as a yardstick for religion, he has used other things? You assume that the most 'reasonable' religion should be the 'right' one. that's not necessarily true; he can use another yardstick; emotion, deeds, foolishness, belief etc.

I didn't say that the most reasonable religion should be the right one - I didn't even assume it. I didn't say the deity couldn't use things like emotion to judge a person, either; nor did I allude it.

Indeed, human reason does not lead people to God, instead, it leads people away from him (Rom.8;7). If God were to have employed reason as the yardstick for salvation, then it would have been the exclusive of the professors and the 'wise' men of this world and that would just have sucked, LOL. Thank GOd for His wisdom (1Cor1;18 - 2;16)
we'd leave the 'wise' men and professors to their atheism religion . they are just fulfilling scriptures (Rom.1;19-22). cheers.

Whatever helps you live your life.

babyosisi:
_{Kag,I can see God is calling on you to return to him.
Do it today,tomorrow may be too late.}

Somehow I doubt that.

Telly B:
Where then did Jesus get to?

Omicron Persei Eight.