Empiree:
Slow down buddy. You jumped the fence. You are talking about democracy and how christian arabs enjoy Israeli democracy. STOP RIGHT THERE.

Now back to the drawing board.

Take deep breath.

Now release your breath


Now read

Do you think if Palestine is given opportunity to rule oo govern itself it would not do better for itself?.

You are very unjust

Was it not the same thing that happened in South Africa apartheid and European occupation?. Yet many people supported South Africans. Now that South Africa stands on its own it is doing better for itself. So please don't come up with nonesense about democracy to cajole me.

Before 1948, were Arab-palestinians and Jews not live in peace?. There was no animosity against anyone. You can not claim to have democracy and good government on stolen land. It is natural for the opposition to resist you. In Nigeria when Niger-Delta (MEND) picked up arms against govt many of you supported them because you felt it was justified because they have been cheated for long. Why didn't you support Nigerian govt?. Why didn't you say Niger/Deltans enjoyed nigeria democracy, hence they should give up arms and surrendered?.

You christians in Nigeria must have sense by force. You guys are blinded by religion affiliation but you and Israelis don't even practice same religion. Israel is only using you for moral support. You will eventually go down the lizard's hole with them.

You are just attacking straws and applying the typical red herring of your ilk. I'm not going to get distracted by that and will stick to the argument.
Arab Christians have fared and will continue to fare better under Israeli government as against a Muslim government. They are not persecuted by the Israeli but will not escape such under their fellow Arabs who are muslims. Iran, Afghan, Syria, Egypt, Arabi, Morocco, Tunisia, the list is endless.

So, I repeat, don't use Christians as pawns in your fight as you don't really care about them. When power falls into your hands now, it'll be full persecution. History cannot be changed

Empiree:
both sides have always threatened one another. This screenshot didn't say anyone was attacked. Screenshot I posted earlier shows israel was on the offensive side from neutral media source. But this one you posted is from Israel. Don't think 8 believe that terrorist country.

Besides, don't think I fall for shit like this. I have said several times that Israel use christians for moral support. It really needs it. You think they give a damn about CHRISTIANS?. Go to Jerusalem and see if you get red carpet.

Why do you think those christian Palestinians also fight against the occupation?

I don't say that Israel give a damn about Christians, my argument is that Christians (and Muslims) would fare better under Israeli government as against under a Muslim government. That cannot be argued because Christians don't persecute Muslims the way Muslims do to Christians.
And not all Arab Christians fight against occupation, most are OK with the Israeli government. They'd have a better chance of surviving in such government than in a Muslim controlled one. Nigeria is a case study

Empiree:
read this yourself. This is Palestinian Christian priest calling on Palestinian Christians to support Muslims against occupation (Israel). Not only that, this article proves that IsraelHell started this conflict by invading Palestinian Mosque.

You Christians in Nigeria are dumb fvck

To reinforce my point.
When these where happening, can you show me when you showed your concern?

Empiree:
read this yourself. This is Palestinian Christian priest calling on Palestinian Christians to support Muslims against occupation (Israel). Not only that, this article proves that IsraelHell started this conflict by invading Palestinian Mosque.

You Christians in Nigeria are dumb fvck

Calm down before you hurt yourself. First of all, you are not sympathetic to the Christians, you just want more support for your Muslim Arabs.
Also, He is not the first Palestinian Priest to take up stand against Israel. I saw a documentary few years ago of a late Bishop of Jerusalem who was actively involved in the conflict, smuggling arms for resistance (terrorists?), until he was intercepted, tried and jailed. I felt bad for him naturally and Rome had to intervene, such that the Israelis sent him secretly to Rome where he was redeployed. So it's not strange to see many follow his path.
What I know is that many Arab Christians enjoy their rightful democracy under Israeli government than those living under Hamas. So, you can't use the opinion of this Priest who obviously is not under Hamas' rule to sway emotion for your Muslims. The Christians suffering persecution under Muslim rule is never your problem, so don't act like you care now because your Muslim folks are foolishly killing themselves

Built2last:
lol.

This bombardment pained the op no be small.

Islam is a religion of vampires, blood sucking uchins. Israel is the answer to Islam.

I saw the Turkish president forming james bond in the comfort of his office in Instabul.

If he has mind, he should dispatch a fighter jet against Israel, that's action not talk.
Lets see if Turkey wont be forgotten in 14 days.

Israel wakes up everyday preparing for war.

All muslims are ranting about what is happening between Palestine and Israel. Palestine sent 136 rockets in 30 mins to one country in a civillian population. Just imagine if Israel didn't have that iron Dome defense system. the number of casualties would have been crazy and muslims accross the globe would have been shouting Allahu akbar. But because Israel had a system to stop it, they are crying more than the bereaved. Israel sends warning to civillians to vacate before they bomb, Palestine has never done it.

See what Islam is doing to Nigeria. Bokoharam and now bandits, killing, raping and extorting people and on Friday you will see them hitting their head on the ground.

Israel should continue the bombardment till they receive sense. I can donate 3 Bitcoin to them if they start Gofundme.

Rubish

Nothing but the truth

I don't think we need to be appealing to people's emotions which tends to fuel more hostilities. Let's just pray and hope that crises stop, starting from our country Nigeria.

salaf2000:


u think Israel is only killing Muslims, what u don't realize is that Israel are jews and they were attacking the city of Palestine, where there is Christian and muslims

Don't appeal to Christian's emotion to support terrorist Hamas with this. Palestinian Christians are already in hell under Hamas rule. Hamas is the common enemy.
BTW, the rockets going to Israel too can kill Arab Muslims there. You guys should quit the idea of Hamas attack while Israel fold hands

Bbbwings:

They gave prior warning before bombing that building.

This is what most folks are ignorant of. You'll see guys taking motion picture of any building that will be bombarded, waiting for the bomb to land. The question is; how did they know that such building will be bombed? Answer is what you wrote above.

But then, I just saw a video of a Gazan cleric who was advising Palestinian to become martyr. Promising them what Allah promised them and the rest. He even boasted that when rockets are raining in Israel, everyone run to bomb shelters, while his people gladly embrace whatever is coming from the Israelis. I think this will explain why civilians still die, despite Israeli warning. Which is now used as propaganda

https://twitter.com/i/status/1392862641090179073

FatherOfJesus:
You showed how ill-educated you are.
Do you have to be [sup] for some simple maths? Someone that sees the sup will think you know what you are talking about. Lol

Even as you were correct in your maths, you were deficient in reasoning owing to the fact that dark matter hasn’t only been proven mathematically but it’s effect observed in reality.
Nothing to say about your god.

No maths and nothing to show in reality. All evidence is in the comic book of the Bible

You know what? You should have known me by now that I don't deflect topic. I don't fall for red herrings and wouldn't care about ad hominem since I know that those fallacies don't make arguments valid.
I have driven my point that dark matter CANNOT BE TESTED as against your initial claim and only reinforce it that it was used to explain what was being observed, which was why I used the simple Math analogy.

My case is closed

FatherOfJesus:
[s][/s]junk logic with fallacy faulty equivalence. Now you have willingly come up to showcase the gross decline in science education in our country. Probably that’s how you guys reason in church.

Your mathematics is grossly flawed as it doesn’t represent the case with dark energy and matter. The best illustration you would have given is when you have a mathematical expression x + 12= 20, we know the value the total energy in the universe is 20 in Thisbe case and the value for baryonic matter is 12, x is the value of dark matter and energy. We already know it’s there.

It’s not even rocket science, if you estimate total mass of the observable universe, we can expect an in-ward contraction due gravity but We see the universe expanding at a constant acceleration instead of contracting, it means that there is a force responsible for that acceleration which is greater than total force of attraction between galaxies. Dark matter has been felt in the expansion rate of the universe, using the expansion rate you can determine its mass and properties.
It’s not the nonsense evangelical and fallacious Mathematics you presented up there.
Someone that sees the way you are using [sup] will think you know what you are doing.

I just can't laugh

You keep on making wrong claims, I show you how it's wrong and in your rebuttal, you show how you are wrong, agreeing with my claims. Just that you add ad hominem to make you feel better.
What is different from what I wrote? LWKD

shogsman:
Nairaland is home to the most stupid set of people in this country,you stupid nonentity that keep cheering for Israel,this is what they have done in the last 4 days ,dozens of children murdered for nothing.
If you are okay with this may your wards end up just like this children very soon, I'm Christian by the way

Killing is not good but self defense is not a crime. You posted pictures of casualty on one side which could clearly be avoided. It is known that IDF give warning for civilians to vacate before bombing a terrorist location. That is the greatest height of ethics from an army that I have ever seen. If they refuse, how is that the fault of IDF?
Even in our country here, it is known that a group claims monopoly of violence but will play victim card when the victims fight back.
In my opinion, Hamas intentionally shot rockets knowing that IDF will respond, which will definitely claim lives of civilians (you can't even differentiate civilians from militia since residential buildings are used as rocket launching sites anyway), then play victim card for the world to see.

BTW, if not for the iron dome, Israel would have been a burial ground now. What about that? How do you condemn an army which warn civilians to evacuate a target but don't talk about the other who deliberately sends rockets into civilian homes?

FatherOfJesus:
So with all I typed you still didn’t figure out that black matter has been tested by WMAP giving a figure of about 2.241×10−27 kg/m3 which is 27% of the universe’s mass-energy density.

Should I translate it to Jesus language before you understand?

Or I forgot, you still don’t understand what gravitational on lensing is. This is why people like you don’t do well in science

The problem is you don't understand what you copied and because you see numbers, you feel that you've shown yourself to be the prof here
You clearly don't understand what you wrote, else you wouldn't say that it has been tested by WMAP. It is in simple terms, the factor that makes an equation work.
For example, I can't mathematically say that 2³ = 23. But I can solve it by adding x to the left hand side which can be solved to be 15. What you have is an equation that should add up to 23 but you can only see the value 2³, hence, you can say that ^x is there even if you cannot detect it and will calculate the value of x. THAT DOES NOT PROVE THAT ^x can be tested

FatherOfJesus:
I don’t think you have the right to detect fallacies.
You believe in an imaginary friend, that’s already fallacious

And you are stuck in that mystery because you cannot prove your imaginary friend. The joke is on you who’s trying to find evidence after making a conclusion

I’m not the person with almost a mental disorder of trying to prove he sees a friend living in the sky.

Suit yourself with continuous ad hominem
My prediction was right all along

FatherOfJesus:
Maybe I have to speak in idiot language for you to understand basic science, this is not God of the gaps. You just don’t know science. It’s just ignorance on your own part.

You can account for the extra energy required to put galaxies together, there’s a mathematical calculation to account for this extra energy which is about 85% of the energy we can acount for. Dark energy account for about 2.241×10−27 kg/m3 mass-energy density of the universe measured by the WMAP device to measure the cosmic microwave background. We know it’s there, the mathematical proof is there, we can feel its effects on galaxies , the effects have been calculated and seen in gravitational lensing but we cannot see the matter. Because we cannot see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, as long have we have other means of accurately measuring its present mathematically and otherwise. This cannot be said about your god, your god cannot be measured in any form, this is not equivalent to your invisible and immeasurable god. Just like Neutrinos, we knew it was there because there was an extra mass that couldn’t be accounted for in a decaying atom but we couldn’t be detected but it was there mathematically not until it was detected In 1955.
An example is the gravitational wave, it has been felt and mathematically proven long before LIGO was invented to detect it.
No one has observed any effect of your God, no maths to prove him and nothing whatsoever points to his existence. Even the best Christian scientists failed to provide any observable or mathematical evidence to factor him into he skim of things. He doesn’t exist until you prove it, until then you can’t force anyone to accept your lies.

There’s no gap here, dark matter have been accurately measured and quantified by different scientific methods.
It’s nobody’s fault if you lack access to information

Very funny
I am not getting distracted with your red herring. The argument you made is that you said dark matter can be tested which you now know that it can't be. Mathematical model is a very important tool but can be used to model many things which is accepted or rejected mostly on worldview. So it doesn't do much, which is why research has been on for decades to detect dark matter or energy. According to the scientific method, it remains a fudge factor. No matter the copy and paste you do will undo that

Anyway, you can continue your ad hominem attacks

FatherOfJesus:
[s][/s]
Ad hominem.

No point made

Very funny. I guess you don't know the meaning of ad hominem as that is what you've been using mostly when your are refuted.

Again, I called you out that your statement is a strawman and advised you to not use such petty tactics, but you called that ad hominem? Very funny

FatherOfJesus:
Half-baked educated sciolist.
Dark matter can be felt through its effects on the universe, especially through the orbital velocities of stars and gravitational lensing of light around "invisible" objects but there’s no instrument to directly test it but there’s a method to observe it’s effect, it’s does mean that it cannot be felt. Without dark matter and energy, galaxies no do not have enough to stay together.
Thanks to scientists, sciolists like you would have immediately attributed it to god.

This cannot be said about your imaginary friend in the skies who cannot be felt in any manner. He can only be felt deluded and ill-educated lairs in churches.

So what do you use your copy and paste to prove now? You claimed that it can be tested and I called you out for it, and you copy and paste what agrees with me, yet you resorted to name calling just as predicted.

Of course, dark matter and energy was postulated to solve some problems in the big bang cosmology. Just like the strawman atheist use that they call gods of the gap, we observe this and don't know what caused it, hence dark matter and energy are responsible for it.

FatherOfJesus:
Tell how the Holy Spirit had sex with Mary to conceive your god.

You are really not worth debating as you are not interested in facts but misrepresentation that you read from your anti-God sites. Most of your assertions are straw man, making your points irrelevant.
And from experience, you tend to resort to name calling whenever you are refuted since you haven't done your research to see if it's necessary to use those arguments you read, in case they have been refuted and outdated. You could easily save yourself the stress of feeling being cornered with rebuttals if you had done your own research to see if there are rebuttals for the arguments you want to use.

To your statement, Holy Spirit did not have sex with Mary. It's a simple strawman that no serious skeptic of Christianity will ever use.
If you want to go into battle of worldviews, take your time to study diligently, arguments from both camps and not just rush to post something you see that makes you happy without knowing if it even hold substance

FatherOfJesus:
You don’t have to see God to accept him.

You just have to test him with a method that will give repeated results. For example we can’t see dark energy yet[b] but we can test it, we can measure it and we know it’s there[/b].

Now what method do you propose we used in testing god and that will give repeated results anytime?
Which god are we testing? We have more than 4,000 of them.

Test for dark matter? hahahahaha
If it can be tested, then Big bang cosmology has won one of its hurdles. But that's not the case bro. You can't just come online to dish out misinformation and think folks are ignorant.
FYI dark matter is called dark because it is BELIEVED to be there when there is NO EVIDENCE for it. It is one of the statement of faith of materialists

And you've successfully diverted from the main argument with your red herring of which god you are testing because you've been schooled by dtruthspeaker, even after talking about fallacies.

truespeak:


Always reversing the Burden!

He made no allegation as to these matters, therefore it is you who having brought in the allegation who is required to prove!

He is used to that. The moment you refute whatever he copies and has no way to respond (after all, what he posted initially was not his argument), then he picks up another which he learned, hence making a red herring. So much for someone who is posting fallacies

rumaabk:
No body is calling Israel a terrorist country while they are killing innocent people and destroying their shelter. This world is full of hipocrites.

All these terrorists sympathizers are just funny.
I keep on saying it, Israel was not born out of negotiation like Nigeria did, it was born out of blood, where it survived against all odds, the extermination plans of the Arab world. Not once, not twice. Now most of those Arabs use the gullible Arabs who call themselves Palestinians as lab rats, as a faithful Muslim who hates other folks (Jews included), you are crying foul when Israel who was the oppressed has now become the victor.

I bet you want Israel iron dome not to work so they can die for you to be appeased. I even read funny comments from Muslims claiming that the IDF should not attack since they have iron dome. Very funny of Muslims who wouldn't condemn any killing of another by a fellow Muslim.

It's just ironic that Israel invests heavily in protecting her citizens while the other invests heavily in strategizing on how to carryout terror attacks at the expense of her citizens.
I hope Nigeria learn from this

zimmaking:
You get sense.I have been reading about iron dome 8 years ago,it's d best military defence against these jihadist.U.S self dey buy am apart from funding d project.

You're right Bro. The Israelis are re-writing asymmetric warfare and a producing defense equipment to suit such warfare and the US get either the technology or the hardware from them as they help in heavily funding such programs.

mhmsadyq:


Israel has been doing this for years to a people without a standing Army.

How is that Israel's fault? Does that mean that I should watch someone use cane to flog me because it'll be a crime to defend myself with my electric shocker?
Or I must also look for a cane to make the battle even?

Hamas sympathizers should know that if not for the iron dome defense, Israel will be a grave yard now. Also, if Israel were not a powerful nation, they would have ceased to exist as the chants "DEATH TO ISRAEL" will be put into action by the powerful Arabs.
That Israel give warnings to civilians to evacuate before striking is one of the mysteries I don't still understand. It shows a good ethics with the IDF. Our Jihadists have never and will never do that

kingthreat:


Just like I read it myself, you too can do the same. Google is at your fingertips.

Of course, if I don't know the whole story, how will I know that you provided half truths?
Save yourself the stress of using being informed argument as a defense, when you are asked to not hide details

mediocre:


You're the one who needs to read about it from the start. The truth is, none of the countries are entirely faultless.

Israel have been big bullies, and Palestine have responded with violence. I don't expect Israel to do nothing and watch her citizens get killed, of course, they would defend and retaliate.

But my point is, Israel started it and as I have said before.... do you blame a woman for attacking her rapist ?

Israel were big bullies before 1948? That is why I asked you to get the story from before that time. Before that time, there is nothing like Palestinian people, just Arabs settlers. It is so unfortunate for them that they were those who are caught up in the Arab-Israeli war, becoming the scape goats for Arab aggression. I believe you know that all the wars fought before 1980 was not with any so called Palestinian people, but a COALITION OF ARAB NATIONS.
Now, the leaders are playing politics with the lives of those Arabs (Palestinian people) as Israel which is born out of war and struggle has learned the hard way on how to deal with her enemies.

For your last paragraph, it is a false analogy that I have seen also on twitter. If the peace plans were accepted by the Arabs, then there wouldn't be any war in the first place. But it is the wish of them for Israel to not exist, hence the chants "DEATH TO ISRAEL". And with the near tragedy of six day war, Israel has learned to be pro-active and not reactive. So it's not a woman attacking her rapist, it is more of nagging woman who grossly exaggerates her husband's action.

Farid24224:

Okay tell me the beginning of the story.

There's no point typing it here when it can easily be accessed from world encyclopedias (I choose that because their bias would not be that strong, compared to getting from Israeli or Arab sources)

Kuginzi:

Hmm!! Israel bought what from who?
Read this;
Long an object of veneration and conflict, the holy city of Jerusalem has been governed, both as a provincial town and a national capital, by an extended series of dynasties and states. In the early 20th century the city, along with all of historic Palestine, became the focus of the competing national aspirations of Zionists and Palestinian Arabs. This struggle often erupted in violence. The United Nations (UN) attempted to declare the city a corpus separatum (Latin: “separate entity”)—and, thus, avert further conflict—but the first Arab-Israeli war, in 1948, left Jerusalem divided into Israeli (west Jerusalem) and Jordanian (East Jerusalem) sectors. The following year Israel declared the city its capital. During the Six-Day War of 1967, the Jewish state occupied the Jordanian sector and shortly thereafter expanded the city boundaries—thereby annexing some areas of the West Bank previously held by the Jordanians—and extended its jurisdiction over the unified city. Although Israel’s actions were repeatedly condemned by the UN and other bodies, Israel reaffirmed Jerusalem’s standing as its capital by promulgating a special law in 1980. The status of the city remained a central issue in the dispute between Israel and the Palestinian Arabs, who claim East Jerusalem as the capital of a future Palestinian state.

So what should I learn from that? Is it the bought with BLOOD AND WEALTH that I mentioned that you seem not to get? Or is Jerusalem the only land in Israel?

Kuginzi:

Pls say the truth and shame the devil. You can only deceive others, but u cannot deceive yourself. Right in your mind, you're only supporting Israel because you thought they are Christians, but Nay! They aren't. You dislike the Palestinians because they are Muslims. If Palestine is a Christian State, your comment will be opposite of what you're saying now. Bitter Truth.

I don't know why most Muslims want folks to support the Arabs who calls themselves Palestinians.
First, many Christians are not just church fed only and are conversant about the world, in this global age, hence they know that Israel is a Jewish nation and not a Christian nation. So keep your sentiment aside

Then, most folks who truly know the story as it started before 1948 knows that there is nothing like the Palestinian people, just Arabs settlers. In fact, many of those lands settled for a PROPOSED Palestinian state where controlled by Egypt and Jordan and we heard no words such as "END EGYPTIAN OR JORDANIAN OCCUPATION".
The Israeli bought the lands with their blood and wealth, converting a deserted arid land to Europe and propaganda is now flying every where with #free palestine.

Now for the bolded, if Palestine were to be a Christian state, you'll definitely hear no war in the first place. That's the simple fact that Muslims wouldn't be able to accommodate

mediocre:
I can't believe people are blaming Palestine for retaliating against years of oppression, land theft and bullying.

The average Nigerian Christian of course views this conflict through the lens of religion, and would naturally be biased towards Israel but it isn't just about religion.

Get the right context and read the story as it started before 1948, and not from the middle when the oppressed became the victor

It has nothing to do with Christianity. In twitter, the greatest support for Israel came from India. It's simple, THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND. Most folks would support anyone that is dishing it out to their enemies (those who won't think twice to kill them just because a book say so).

If not for technology and whatever that have been on the side of Israel, they would have been forgotten. They have the military power to wipe Gaza in few hours but are not doing it, only reacting to attacks or pro-acting to threats. If your people were to have such power and their is no America as world power (imagine Iran being the world power), then Israel would have ceased to exist and most Muslims will naturally be happy about it.

Farid24224:


Israel started everything by attacking peaceful protesters and violation of holy places...

Don't start your story from the middle, that's deception (taqiyya?)

liasmiram2567:
The Christians are deluded with the believe that the state of Israel is same as Old Israel.They should realise that this Is real is not ruled by Christiians and do not believe in Jesus whereas the Palestine has more Christians among them. Infact what the Hostility being hoisted on the Palestinians affect both the Muslim and the Christians among them..
What caused present situation is the forceful shooting at the Worshippers at All Aqsa Mosque and Eviction of and taking over ifof a Palestinian village.
Ask your why is it that there was no hostilities before now?

Most Christians know that an average Jew does not like them and that present Israel has nothing to do Christianity. What you see is a case of THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND.
And you should not use the "forceful shooting at the worshipers..." propaganda, rather, what actually started the conflict at first. FYI, they didn't storm the mosque just to show that they are in charge (the way most Muslims would naturally do if the coins were to be flipped), they retaliated to action of stone throw by many worshipers and occupied the mosque, with Hamas giving them ultimatum to vacate the mosque before shooting rockets.
But is in the character of most Muslims to cry foul when their intent is not actualized but wouldn't say a word when another Muslim terrorist launch a successful attack on kafir.

Bahun:
You start match now dem dey win you and you dey call refree to stop the game? Only 90mins will tell the winner [color=#006600][/color]

lol
This is epic