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fortran12:
Try again pls, its not working, you just quoting irrelevant verses.

Numbers 31: 17-18

17. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

18. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.


The Jewish soldiers were commanded by “God” in the bible to keep the woman children (little girls) for themselves! In addition, they commanded to kill every woman that hath know a man by lying with him. How these soldiers in those days know if the girls are virgin or not? Simply they verify it by raping them and if the Jews discovered that they are non-virgins then they kill them as they commanded by “God”.

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Rashduct4luv

If a husband finds at his wedding night that his wife is not a virgin, she will be stoned to death

Deuteronomy 22:13-21

13 “If any man takes a wife, and goes in to her, and then spurns her,
14 and charges her with shameful conduct, and brings an evil name upon her, saying, ‘I took this woman, and when I came near her, I did not find in her the tokens of virginity,’
15 then the father of the young woman and her mother shall take and bring out the tokens of her virginity to the elders of the city in the gate;
16 and the father of the young woman shall say to the elders, ‘I gave my daughter to this man to wife, and he spurns her;
17 and lo, he has made shameful charges against her, saying, “I did not find in your daughter the tokens of virginity.” And yet these are the tokens of my daughter’s virginity.’ And they shall spread the garment before the elders of the city.
18 Then the elders of that city shall take the man and whip him;
19 and they shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver, and give them to the father of the young woman, because he has brought an evil name upon a virgin of Israel; and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days.
20 But if the thing is true, that the tokens of virginity were not found in the young woman,
21 then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has wrought folly in Israel by playing the harlot in her father’s house; so you shall purge the evil from the midst of you.

fortran12:
So according to your logic if a lady is defined by a man it means men are filthy and dirty. But every normal person knows what being defiled means. But you choose to play ignorant and ignore basic English comprehension and choose to give it your own meaning.
The meaning clearly shows the people are sexually pure.

The second part you quoted are ceremonial laws given to the Israelites after they left Egypt. That was the old Testament, Jesus brought the new Testament. Christians follow Jesus Christ. The old Testament laws were are shadow of what Jesus came to actualize.

Like I said before try again, this time harder.

We all know what Mohammed thinks of women and how he likes his girls and how he likes them with almost see thru skin and hairless legs.

If a woman tries to save her husband from a beating by grabbing the other man's private parts to lift him off her husband, then both her hands must get cut off:

Deuteronomy 25:11-12 "And in case men struggle together (in a fight) with one another, and the wife of the one has come near to deliver her husband out of the striking one (to save her husband), and she has thrust out her hand and grabbed hold of his private (the other man's groin), she must then get both her hands cut off, and the eyes of the men must feel no sorrow.

TheOutlaw:
It's a relief to know that after reducing women to the status of animals whose presence can nullify prayers, muhamad allowed them to inherit property.

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Maybe he was trying to protect women from men who take advantage of their natural deficiency of intelligence

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Or maybe he just wanted them to enjoy life a little bit before they end up in their final destination:


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If a woman gives birth to a baby boy, then she becomes unclean for 7 days. But if she gives birth to a baby girl, then she becomes unclean for 14 days.


N:B.So in other words, the birth of any female causes double the pollution:


Leviticus 12:2-5 "Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a MALE child: then she shall be unclean SEVEN DAYS; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean. And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised. And she shall then continue in the blood of her purifying THIRTY THREE days; she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying be fulfilled. But if she bear a FEMALE child, then she shall be unclean TWO WEEKS, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying SIXTY SIX days."

fortran12:
Every one knows to yourself means to commit a sexual sin. So try harder next time.

Women are not only spiritually defiling to men as Jesus put it, but they're also physically defiling when they have their menses. Anything they touch becomes unclean:

Leviticus 15:19-30 "And if a woman have an issue (her period/menses), [and] her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even. And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean. And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even. And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even. And if it [be] on [her] bed, or on any thing whereon she sitteth, when he toucheth it, he shall be unclean until the even. And if any man lie with her at all, and her flowers be upon him, he shall be unclean seven days; and all the bed whereon he lieth shall be unclean. And if a woman have an issue of her blood many days out of the time of her separation, or if it run beyond the time of her separation; all the days of the issue of her uncleanness shall be as the days of her separation: she [shall be] unclean. Every bed whereon she lieth all the days of her issue shall be unto her as the bed of her separation: and whatsoever she sitteth upon shall be unclean, as the uncleanness of her separation. And whosoever toucheth those things shall be unclean, and shall wash his clothes, and bathe [himself] in water, and be unclean until the even. But if she be cleansed of her issue, then she shall number to herself seven days, and after that she shall be clean. And on the eighth day she shall take unto her two turtles, or two young pigeons, and bring them unto the priest, to the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And the priest shall offer the one [for] a sin offering, and the other [for] a burnt offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for her before the LORD for the issue of her uncleanness."

fortran12:
In Sharia law, a woman's testimony is worth half of a man's and also Muhammad tells a woman that she cannot return to her first husband until she has sexual relations with another man.
The prophet also said that the majority of the inhabitants of Hell are women. When asked why, he said it was because they are deficient in intelligence and religion, and because they are ungrateful to their husbands.

So much for women in Islam!

I will not waste my time to explain those verses and hadith because you are here to criticise, so b4 you do that let me remind you what is in your book too,

Jesus considers women as dirt that defiles men (since Jesus, the GOD, is the one who supposedly inspired the New Testament as Christians claim):

Revelation 14:4 "Those are those (men) who did not defile themselves with women , for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as first fruits to God and the Lamb.

fortran12:
Lol. All what you quoted are laws God gave to the Israelites before Christ came and after he came all these have been done away with. Christians follow Christ and not the ceremonial laws God gave after the Israelites left Egypt.
So try again.

Maybe you forgot what Jesus declared in Matthew 5:17-20

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

fortran12:
I will add the references - The prophet also said that the majority of the inhabitants of Hell are women. When asked why, he said it was because they are deficient in intelligence and religion, and because they are ungrateful to their husbands.-- Sahih Bukhari 1:6:301

Muhammad tells a woman that she cannot return to her first husband until she has sexual relations with another man. - Quran 2:230

a woman's testimony is worth half of a man's -- Quran 2:282

Now there you have it

Let us look at how the Bible view women, and see in real Truth how terrible the women's status would be if they were living under a true Christian state that follows the Bible 100%.


1).Deuteronomy 22:28-30 "If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and
rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."

2) Exodus 21:7-8 "And in case a man should sell his daughter as a slave girl , she will not go out in the way that the slave men go out. If she is displeasing in the eyes of her master so that he doesn't designate her as a concubine but causes her to be redeemed, he will not be entitled to sell her to a foreign people in his treacherously dealing with her."

N:B:
Here in this verse we can see that fathers can easily and freely sell their daughters as slaves to other men. The other men are free to rape the daughters if they wish to do so.

Strongbest:
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Easter shocker: Jesus did not die to save the world – Prof Abioje

- A professor of Christian theology has dismissed the believe that Jesus Christ died to save the world

- Pius Oyeniran Abioje of University of Ilorin says Jesus Christ was killed by haters of truth

- He claimed that the conspiracy that killed Jesus Christ came from the millieu of the chief priest and the political elite

Pius Oyeniran Abioje, a professor of Christian theology at the University of Ilorin, has dismissed the believe that Jesus Christ died to save the world.

The professor said this while delivering the 167th Inaugural Lecture of the university, entitled, ‘Christian Prophets and Other Prophets in Nigeria’.


According to him, Jesus Christ was killed by haters of truth.


He claimed that the conspiracy that killed Jesus Christ came from the millieu of the chief priest and the political elite

“The conspiracy that killed Jesus Christ came from the millieu of the chief priest and the political elite.

“Regrettably,the interpretations by many Christians is that God wanted Jesus to die so as to save the world. Yet the world continues to persecute innocent critical prophets.

“Why cannot Christians emphasise that Jesus was killed by haters of truth, the religio-political powers that be, particularly since the world is still seeking redemption?

“Nigerians should learn to see critical prophets as friends of the society,and pardon them whenever they happen to err, since no human being is infallible.”

Going further, the professor encouraged Nigerian leaders to see critical prophets as partners in progress towards human edification and not as enemies.


The university don also called prophets to use their endowment for good purposes and not to exploit the people:

“Divinatory/esoteric prophets should avoid fraudulence. They should see their divinatory knowledge as divine endowment to be used altruistically and not for exploitation.

“People who consult esoteric prophets should be discerning and not gullible. “ They should avoid frequent recourse to divinatory prophecy to avoid mediumistic psychosis”

He also called on Nigerians to become critical prophets so as to be able to speak out against evil.

He said: “Academic programmes generally should include introduction to critical prophecy, which makes a person to be committed to advocacy in godly words and actions, even as medical doctors, engineers, architects, lawyers and so on and not only as clergy men and women, Virtues for which critical prophets strive is unarguably the key to individual and social progress, even when truth can be very bitter.”


https://www.naij.com/1099696-easter-shocker-jesus-die-save-world-prof-abioje.html

INDICATIONS have emerged that Lagos State governor, Mr Akinwunmi Ambode, will soon introduce compulsory insurance scheme for all buildings in the state.

Director-General, Lagos State Safety Commission, Hakeem Dickson, gave the hint on Monday at a media briefing on the activities of the commission.
He said as part of preparations towards the commencement of the policy implementation, the state government, in synergy with consortium of insurance companies and National Insurance Commission (NAICOM), was already working out ways of enforcing the policy.
According to him, the measure is in line with the Lagos State Government Safety Law 2003, saying the law would be applicable to both owners of completed and uncompleted buildings in the state.
Penalties for defaulters, according to him, attracts N100, 000, fine or one year imprisonment, or both on conviction.
Dickson stated that the aim of the insurance policy was all about safety of lives and property in the state, adding that the grassroots was not left out in the drive to bring safety to all nooks and crannies of the state.
“That is why we have a department in the commission that takes care of this. There is the need to check the incessant building collapse and attendant loss of lives in the state, due mostly, to negligence and lack of compliance to safety measures.
“The state government through the commission in order to ensure that all buildings are insured, is about to sign a Memorandum of Understanding, MoU, with representatives of NAICOM, this Wednesday.
“The commission has also been reorganized and staff reassigned to ensure innovative approach and better delivery of service to the public.
“The commission will continue to strengthen its collaborations with other government agencies, while private organizations have and will continue to play major part, to ensure compliance to safety regulations,” he said.
Dickson added that the commission would be establishing a Safety Institute where stakeholders can be trained and certified.
“Identification has been an issue and the commission intends to address this by equipping staff, safety consultants, agents and vendors with secure IDs.
“We have also engaged consultants who are qualified in different domains to assists in ensuring that all organizations conform to lay down safety laws, regulations and measures in their daily business,” Dickson said.

http://tribuneonlineng.com/ambode-introduce-compulsory-insurance-policy-buildings-lagos/

LionDeLeo:
Khalling2008, I suggest you stop at this point, cos it is obvious they have nothing to say apart from doing what they are known for.

Note, they have started insulting The Prophet.

You need not bother, every sane being in search of truth knows the appropriate direction. As you can see, they are hanging on "a whole verse was not completely quoted" when it is very unnecessary. They have nothing to say.

Peace.

OK, jazakumllahu khairan

annunaki2:
Whilst reading through the trash he spewed out, immediately I saw how he deliberately twisted 1 corinthians 11:1 to say something other what is written there I had to conclude he is a joker and a fraud. He clearly is not worth responding to cause the fact that he has to tell lies to 'prove' his point is enough evidence that he also doesn't believe the thrash he is writing so why should I give myself headache responding to the al taquiyaist? Below is a proper quote off 1 corinthians 11:1. Now compare it to the thrash he wrote above.

1 corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I follow christ.

what version of the Bible is yours, because we have hundreds version of the bible

LifestyleTonite:
Once again, you read Your Own meaning into the Bible without allowing the Bible to speak to you.


Paul was correcting the disciples cos they failed to truly obey the Grace,

so, Paul known more than those disciples of jesus, you must be joking, those disciples that seen Jesus physically, spiritually and they witnessed many thing.
in fact Paul was not among the disciples of Jesus, how can you follow Paul who persecuted Jesus and disciples.

LifestyleTonite:
Paul was correcting the disciples cos they failed to truly obey the Grace, instead they followed the Law simply because there were some Jews around whom they didn't want to offend. Paul had to let them know that Jewish Christians cannot force the Jewish laws on Gentile Christians, because the gentiles were saved by God's grace. This is why Christianity today doesn't impose cultures in people.

yes, God sent Jesus Christ to jews not gentiles, in Matthew 15:24;
He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Jesus also said: "These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: 'Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.
Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. ' Matthew 10:5-6
These are the words of Jesus in the Bible. It is quite obvious that Jesus was NOT sent to Mankind and Christianity isn't a religion for Mankind.
Even if Jesus did die on the cross for people's sins, he didn't do it for all nations' sins, but for the Jews alone who believed in him.

And when Jesus told his disciples to go "to all nations" and teach them the words and baptize them in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit (Mathew 28:18-20) , it is obvious that "all nations" is a mistranslation, because in the Middle East, the words for "People" and "Nation" are the same word.

LifestyleTonite:
You Muslims love to rubbish Paul cos you know that his books in the Bible totally destroys Islam. Islam preaches a wrong gospel of Jesus, so it is cursed.


Galatians 1:8

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!

it was Paul that contradict Jesus Christ, let me give you an example;

The New Testament gives us a choice; either we follow Jesus Christ, or the anti-Christ Paul of Tarsus: Each one demands his followers to accept his teachings:

Paul said
Be ye followers of me… that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered [them] to you. (1 Corinthians 11:1)

Jesus said:
“If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed” (John 8:31)

Amazing, the former preached against the teachings of Jesus, and the latter, (Jesus) teaches that salvation is only attained by following him. According to Deuteronomy 24:16, Ezekiel 18:20-21, and Micah 6:7-8, a man is responsible for his own sin. Jesus rejected the Pauline doctrine of “vicarious atonement”.

And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. (Hebrews 9:22)



Jesus was circumcised, Paul rejected circumcision:

On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise him, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he had been conceived. (Luke 2:21

The Jewish Law commands the circumcision on the eighth day. The reason why Christians are not circumcised is because they follow Paul. They have broken the covenant of Circumcision according to Jesus himself (5:19)

For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. (Galatians 5:6, KJV)


Jesus Forbade the Gentiles:

These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Matthew 10:5-6)

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. (Matthew 15:24)

Paul rejected this command of NOT preaching to the Gentiles, they were restricted. Paul openly preached among the Gentiles, a totally different religion:

For I speak to you Gentiles, in as much as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: (Romans 11:13)

LifestyleTonite:
Don't expect any answer from him, did he'll keep dodging. That's how he's been avoiding albagdhadi's questions cos he knows those questions show glaringly that YAHWEH is not the god Islam worships.

you better go back from the start of the post where I answered all albagdhadi's questions and he picked race without looking back for my questions to answer.
please if you see him just tell him that I am still waiting.
thks

LifestyleTonite:
Abraham was called out of his pagan family and people to start a new race which God used to blessed the world and redeem it. If you say Abraham was an Arab simply because of his pagan fathers, then you might as well say that the god he worshipped was Baal or Ashtoreth cos those were the gods his people were worshipping. That was so until God called him out

Genesis 12:1-3

1 The LORD had said to Abram, “Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you.
2 “I will make you into a great nation,
and I will bless you;
I will make your name great,
and you will be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth
will be blessed through you.”


Abraham obeyed and God showed him a land which He promised to give to his offspring who are the Israelites. That was the beginning of the Jewish race.

Genesis 12:6-7


6 Abram traveled through the land as far as the site of the great tree of Moreh at Shechem. At that time the Canaanites were in the land.
7 The LORD appeared to Abram and said, “To your offspring I will give this land.” So he built an altar there to the LORD, who had appeared to him.

i don't like stories, I gave you evidence from the Bible where Abraham was not a jews according to what Quran said that Abraham was not a jews. check my post again.
the verses you quoted didn't say Abraham was jews. just show me verses where Abraham was jews.

LifestyleTonite:
You lack understanding. What is the meaning of the word "fulfill" used in the verse? Check the dictionary, you will find that it also means to bring to conclusion, to participate in it to bring to an end. Check the below link for more

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/fulfill


If Christ came to stamp the Law as a forever thing, then why did he stop the adulterous woman from getting stoned by the crowd who wanted the Law to take its course?

Why did he preached against "an eye for an eye" which the Law permits?


Once you understand that, you will realise that he lived under the law by obeying it fully. But he ended it by starting a new law of grace that preaches forgiveness and love of others. Not that he opened his mouth and pronounced the Law abolished. No, he simply sowed a new seed of forgiveness and love and with time that seed overshadowed the Law.

Jesus orders Christians to follow the Law of Moses in the Old Testament: "Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
(Matthew 5:17-18)

" It is quite clear from these verses from the New Testament that Jesus did honor the Old Testament and did say that every single "letter" of it has to be honored, followed and fulfilled.

LifestyleTonite:
God forbid abomination. Jesus never preached islam or terrorism.

if I show where they performed prayer in Muslim way in the bible, will you accept islam

plainbibletruth:
This is not yet a full response from me.

That will come later.

please respond to my post

plainbibletruth:
I just want to note one or two things.

Do you remember where I started this discussion with you? If you've forgotten you may go back and check.

If you must use the Bible I think you have NO RIGHT to decide that a portion I use is not supposed to be in the Bible whilst the ones you use are ok. We MUST be ready to use ALL that is in the same Bible and not cherry-pick.

i don't need all the stories now, if what I said were not true, please prove me wrong with evidence and those who can

plainbibletruth:
Lastly, for now, I noticed you never responded to the questions I raised. Is that deliberate or are you still going to respond?

repeat your question again?

@plainbibletruth;
Reply C base on Paul and disciples;


Christians think that the apostles and Paul were preaching the same doctrine and everyone believed in the divine Jesus who came to be crucified for the sins of the world. However, if one examines the bible carefully, that person would observe that Paul and the disciples were not preaching the same doctrine and did not believe in the same Jesus.

The Apostles in Jerusalem heard that Paul has been preaching a different doctrine in Galatia and Corinthia. Paul was telling them not to follow the law anymore and that they don’t have to eat kosher meat anymore or to be circumcised (according to Genesis 17::14, the covenant is broken if there is no circumcision) etc.

So the Apostles went to Galatia and Corinthia and convinced everyone that Paul is wrong, when Paul heard about this he went straight back to the cities………

Galatians 1:6;
I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel

It says different Gospel, so obviously the disciples were teaching them a different doctrine and it was not just minor issues.


Galatians 2:11-21

Paul Opposes Peter

11 When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong.

12 Before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. ( why did people such as the Apostle James still believe that the law regarding food should still be applied? If Jesus came to replace the law, then why are they still following the law?)

13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray. (so, Peter, James and Barnabas are wrong?)

14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

15 "We who are Jews by birth and not 'Gentile sinners'

16 know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified. ( why are they arguing over following the law or not? Why are they not in agreement of doctrine?)

17 "If, while we seek to be justified in Christ, it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners, does that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not!

18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, I prove that I am a lawbreaker.

19 For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God.

20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"

Paul condemns all Jewish Christians including Peter and Barnabas. We only have Paul’s side of the story but Peter’s recollection of this story is not given to us in the New Testament.

Peter truly would have known Jesus better than Paul. There is dispute whether 1 Peter is a letter written by Peter and almost all scholars, ancient and modern agree that 2 Peter is not a letter written by Peter.

@plainbibletruth; I don't want to quote all your post but I will reply you in A, B and C.

Reply A base on Abraham;
I am trying to let you understand is that Abraham was not a jews, Abraham was born in Ur of Chaldees could not have been a Jew. First because Ur of Chaldees was in Mesopotamia, which is now a part of Iraq. He was then more an Arab than a Jew. Secondly the name "Jew" came after the existence of Judah, the great-grandson of Abraham. Read further, Genesis 12:4 and 5.


Reply B base on Jesus Christ (as)

Jesus was not the founder of Christianity as we know it today. The teachings of Jesus were based on the Law, Matthew 5:17;
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

The message of Jesus was pure and simple, the complete submission and surrender to God alone. He preached the religion of Islam; he fasted and prayed in the manner taught by the Prophets before him. He abstained from eating pork and drinking wine.

The Apostle Paul and his followers define what became Christianity.
After Jesus, christianity was formed by Paul in Acts 11:26;

....and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.

plainbibletruth:
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First, we need to agree on a few things:
1. Do you accept that the Bible you’re quoting from is uncorrupted?
2. Can we stick to the issues at hand and deal with them fully before bringing in any other issue?

Abraham was a Hebrew. He is the biological ancestor of the Jews. His descendants came to be known as Israelites. Much later in Israel’s history they began to be associated with the word ‘Jew’. By the time of the New Testament this same word – ‘Jew’ - began to be uses interchangeably to refer to the children of Jacob. Jesus Christ is referred to as “king of the Jews” in Matt. 27:37.
Abraham believed in and worshipped YAHWEH, the Eternal God. This same God came to be referred to as ‘the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob’. It is this same God Christians worship today.

Abraham was not a Jew, the name "Jew" came after the existence of Judah, the great-grandson of Abraham. Read further, Genesis 12:4 and 5.

Check Genesis 32:28 what happened to the name of Jacob after wrestling with an angel (or with GOD as in some versions of the Bible).
The descendants of Jacob were Israelites consisting of the twelve tribes. Judah was nicknamed "Jew" so that only Judah's descendants were called Jews originally.

That's reason Allan said in Quran 3:65
O People of the Scripture (jews & Christian), why do you argue about Abraham while the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed until after him? Then will you not reason?

plainbibletruth:
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[b]Christianity is from the word ‘Christ’. In other words it is derived from Jesus Christ. So, the simple answer then is that “Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith” (Hebrews 12:2) is the founder of Christianity.

The word "Christian" is mentioned only three times in the New Testament and first by pagans and Jews in Antioch about 43 A.D., long after Jesus had left this earth.

The teachings of Jesus were based on the Law,
Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
yet the Law is rejected by Christians today, so how could they be called Christians?

Moreover, the “Christians” do not follow the Gospel of Jesus; they follow the Gospel of Paul. The Nazarenes and Ebionties were followers of Jesus’ Gospel, which no longer exists today.

plainbibletruth:
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[b] He had categorically stated that he will build his church and the gates of hell will not overcome it – Matthew 16: 18. Jesus Christ is the Lord of the Christians; they derive their name from him because they serve and worship him. That name – Christianity – gives focus to the one who owns the faith. Jesus started it and owns it: Peter, Paul and the other Apostles and disciples ran with the ‘vision’.

Paul was not part of disciples of Jesus Christ.
Paul gave evidence that he was building a new religion, a complete deviation from Jesus’ teachings:

Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man's foundation: (Romans 15:20)

The “Christians” of today are not implementing the teachings of their “lord and savior” (see John 8:31) The Nazarenes/Ebionites never degraded Jesus by calling him “lord and savior”; they considered him a great Prophet and Messenger


The Pauline “Christians” that exist today do not follow Christ, they should be called Paulians. The true Christians were the Nazarenes and Ebionites that no longer exist.

Let me give you Historical Quotes Concerning Paul and his doctrines from Historians, Philosophers and Theologians:


“If Christianity needed an Anti-Christ, they need look no further than Paul”

-- The English philosopher Jeremy Bentham (1748-1832)

“We have already noted that every teaching of Jesus was already in the literature of the day….. Paul, the founder of Christianity, the writer of half the NT, almost never quotes Jesus in his letters and writings." (Professor Smith in his “The World Religions”, p 330)


Paul degraded Jesus in the following verses:

"Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God", (Hebrews 6:1,)

DoctorAlien:
I think the only claim I made which needs a Bible verse as proof is "Abraham was called a Hebrew in the Bible."

So check Genesis 14:13.

good, if you are in comparative dialogue, you need to back yourself with reference from Bible.

Quran still maintain its stand that Abraham was not jews OR christian;

Quran 3:67

Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah ]. And he was not of the polytheists.

LionDeLeo:
Well done sir.

Apparently, alBHAGDADI (or whatever he calls himself) has taken off.

His own case is even better, at least he did not insult, unlike the rest who will start throwing tantrums at this stage when their falsehood is being exposed.

May The Almighty Allah increase your knowledge.

Amin,

DoctorAlien:
Abraham was called a Hebrew in the Bible. Common sense should tell you that Abraham was not called a language.

Browse about the first Hebrew.

Mr man, you are mature enough to prove yourself now, if you can't bring verses from Bible to support you claim,just keep quiet and enrol for Bible school

DoctorAlien:
Abraham was a Hebrew because he was a descendent of Eber, and also because he crossed to the other side(Ever) of Euphrates.

Read up on it.

prove yourself then? Hebrew was a language of jew

albhadadi@i was disappointed in this guy, how can you open what you can not defend, not withstanding I will continue to prove how the message of our Prophet (saw) and Jesus (as) was the same thing and how the founder of Christianity, Paul, persecuted the disciples of Jesus and all the Paul lies

DoctorAlien:
Khalling2008,

Moses gave the total number of the years of the sojourn of the children of Israel in Egypt as 430 years. Counting from the year of Exodus backwards, this 430-year period includes the Abraham sojourn in Canaan (which was under Egypt then). Moses, thus, subtly implied that the nation of Israel began with Abraham, and not Jacob.

That said, Abraham was a Hebrew.

Can you prove how Abraham was a Hebrew? Because Hebrew was a language not tribe or religion

@albhadadi
Where are you now, come and finish what you started or your Holy Spirit has witnessed recession

Lagos wants to turn to developing state by fire by force

LionDeLeo:
Choi, I just feel like grabbing pop corn and zobo drink. Well done sir. Expectedly, he kept running upandan without keeping his own side of the bargain.

Was Abraham a Jew?

Infact, I'm also interested in that Mathew 15:24.

Thks my brorher.
Allah said in the quran 3:65-67;

65. O People of the Scripture, why do you argue about Abraham while the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed until after him? Then will you not reason?

66. Here you are - those who have argued about that of which you have [some] knowledge, but why do you argue about that of which you have no knowledge? And Allah knows, while you know not.

67. Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was one inclining toward truth, a Muslim [submitting to Allah ]. And he was not of the polytheists.


Neither "Judaism" nor "Christianity" is found in the Bible or in a Bible dictionary. No Israelite prophet said the word "Judaism." Jesus never claimed to establish Christianity and never called himself a Christian.

The word "Christian" is mentioned only three times in the New Testament and first by pagans and Jews in Antioch about 43 A.D., long after Jesus had left this earth.

alBHAGDADI:
Then why is God Now sending Mohammad to Americans, Africans, Europeans and Asians with an alien Arabic language?

I don't know why you like this now, you said you wouldn't entertain my question until I answer your question but now I have answered your Question and instead you to answer my question you are now running up and down.

I will repeat my question again before I expose you because Muhammad (saw) and Jesus (as) prechead the same message until Christianity was founded

My questions again;

1. WAS ABRAHAM A JEWS OR CHRISTIAN?

You said Christianity is not a religion but a way to life.

2 Who was the founder of christianity? Was it Jesus or Paul?


Jesus said in Matthew 27:46;

About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli,[a] lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

3. why Jesus not shouted "Yahweh, Yahweh, lema sabachthani? " on the cross