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make them go meet ombatse na! I think there own dey work well, if na weytin them wan dey believe now.

hahaha... Bullet proof jazz?? Notin I no go hear for news ooo... So Almighty God is not enough for them again?? All this news na bull..

CongressIsrael: I prophesy today, that you abubakar shekau will die within 7 weeks from now and that boko haram is dead.

hmm.. Interesting.. ''For there shall arise so many false christs and false prophets who will show you so many signs and wonders, if it were possible they shall deceive the very elect'' Matt 24:24.

Pat yaks: i ttink is clear now he said wat he is doin is writen in Quran.so Quran instruct u to kill inocen people.oh my God wat a religion.may God help us all.

Impressively true, if he is the one that received and taught the Wahi(Revelations) And who does more wrong than he who invents a lie against Allaah. Such will be brought before their Lord, and the witnesses will say, ''These are the ones who lied against their Lord!'' No doubt! The curse of Allaah is on the Zalimuun(polytheists, wrong-doers, oppressors). Al-Qur'an 11:18.

Javanian: @op these are spiritual things, you don't use your carnal mind to understand them. Mary was a virgin physically but not spiritually because yahweh had sex with her in spirit with his spiritual dick, can't you see. You need the holy spirit to understand this things

Subhaanallah! Subhaanallah!! Subhaanallah!!! Is this how you can explain? Subhaanalah.

Kill all hausas? Imagine post! Rule Number 2 and 3 broken.

Now how does circle and Sphere look the same? Today It been proven scientifically that the Earth is Geospherical in shape not circle or completely round like a ball.

hmmm...interesting. Op I thought you are going to show how Christianity is Compatible or Incompatible with Modern Science? Be Ready to answer the various questions that will be posed by the Atheists and others when they start showing up. May be 20 pages won't be enough for this thread. Just getting started.

nnofaith: you cant have it both ways lad! it is either jesus is the son of god or son of joe.

thank you. Always want to make things complicated for themself. He was born miraculously without male intervetion. He doesnot have a father.Joseph was only the supposed father as Luke records.

Impressive.. I have said am not surprised by the virulent propaganda against Islam. Non muslims claiming to know the qur'an better than the muslims and that the muslims need them for clarification of their own scripture,hmmm, interesting. Yet the Christians will never agree that anybody knows the bible morethan them. When posed about fabbles and contracdictions in the Bible by Ray Mcblue and his crew many were dodging and saying things otherwise instead of refuting the points raised. Anyway..one again Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wa sallam does not his own word only a revelation give to him 53:3-4. Claims that shaitan also inspired the verses of the Qur'an, he can never be , Allah says '' so when you recite the Qur'an , seek refuge with Allah from shaitan the outcast. Verily he has no power over those who believe and put their trust only in their Lord'' 16:98-99. If Allah says we should seek refuge in him before reciting, how can shaitan inspire anything? Also.....

hmmmm. Always giving the agnostic, the Atheist cane to whip you with.

NL member: So you don't even know about the satanic verses?

No wonder many of you are still Muslims, you know nothing about Islam.



Please read about your religion.

give me the verse. I always see so many claims attributed to Islam. Everyday You see different things all by the media. There is virulent propagander of Islam by the media just like the claims above.

NL member: You Muslims are something else.
So because I didn't agree with you, that's why you've taken the extreme of mentioning death to prove your point?
Why getting so emotional? Not everyone will agree with your beliefs and am sure you are old enough to know this. Try and accept it, its a part of life..

But before you go ask yourself about the satanic verses that muhammed recited to the people of mecca that led them to worship other gods besides allah for a period of tme.

Ask yourself why would allah permit such a thing to happen? Why didn't he protect muhammed from reciting those verses and protect the people from commiting the sin of shirk?
Ask yourself these questions.

If muhammed was not reciting the quran of his own volition and was getting his verses from allah then why would allah have let shaytan trick muhammed into reciting the satanic verses which led many people into idolatory?
Idolatory is something allah hates more than any other sin and it is the only sin he does not forgive.
Yet he did nothing to stop the satanic verses from being recited to the people of mecca.
Think. .

lol... U are funny. Am not getting emotional neither am I going to the Extreme. Anyone observing will obviously know that I did give you why and reason he won't do such. If you don't believe fine, it ok by me, Almighty God has said there are some who will believe and some it will take time and some will never believe, because the creator far knows morethan what he created. I can go on to give several proves and yet you will say you don't believe or agree fine,it not a must. If you don't believe in the concept of judgement day but aleast you believe we are gonna die right? Now I said when that time come we will truely know or not. Nothing extreme or emotional. Talked about satanic verse? What satanic verse? I don't seems to be amazed when I see different things about Islam by the Media. In the span of 150 years from 1800 to 1950 morethan sixty thousand books has been written against Islam and our beloved Prophet Alayhis-salatu wa sallam.

Ya Allah save us from Violence and grant us peace, ameeeeeen!. Save us from kufr also, ameeeeeeeeen!.

NL member: This is just too funny.
What makes you think Muhammed couldn't have made up that verse as well as the others?
If he was fabricating everything he siad to the Muslims do you think he would have told you he was doing so?
He would never have admitted that he was making things up, instead he would tell you verses that would make you think he was a very honest man, just like the verse you quoted above.

I have given you already in the verse you qouted me above. If you think he changed or forged anything and that is what you believe fine no probs ' Laa Ikraaha fid-Diin'. When death visits us, we will all know who is right or wrong or we wait for Qiyammah. Death is Only an Admonition.

That Rasullullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam deleted a surah, when Allah baari taala has told us in Surah Al-Haqqah 44-47 '' and if the messenger 'peace be upon him' had forged a false saying concerning us, we surely would have seized him by his right hand and then we certainly would have cut off his life artery, and none of u could have withheld us from punishing him'' Allah azwajal clearly tell us in that surah, if nabi kareem(SAW) had forged or changed anytin revealed to him, he would have surely punish him and there is nothing we would have done to save him from that. I will give u another but Good nite for now. As salamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh, may peace and blessings of Almighty God be upon you.

jazakallahu khairan dareabiola. Impressive, shiite doctrine. Now I know where u are coming from and where you are heading.

hmmmm... So many Abu jahl of our time.

jazakallahu khairan!!! larexlan and dareabiola. Alexis claim he has the sahih Bukhari and he do read it yet he is using the strategyof the media which I have pionted out to him on page 3 or so. 1. Quoting Out of context. 2. Quote correct but gives it a wrong meaning. 3. Quote correct but gives a different angle and portrait as a problem. 4. Attributing things which are alien to Islam e.g holy war, forceful conversion, terrorism and suicide bombing.

In such a situation, the sense of perseverance and tolerance of the muslims would have been messed up by the Makkans, if no action was taken by the muslims. That was why Allah now permitted the Prophet Sallallahu alayhi wa sallam to fight back.

What many of you fail to realise about the verses of fight is that, those verses came in context of what the muslims were facing in Makkah during the early years of revelations. The Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam and his companions were forcefully driven out of Makkah and many were tortured and matryed; they were still being pursued to their new settlement with the main aim of totally getting ride of them. The closeness of the venues of Badr, Uhud and Khandaq battles fought by the Prophet(SAW) to Madinah clearly indicates that it was the Makkans who were after them.

alexis: Dude, you are neither confirming nor denying In between, which Hadith do you confirm as authoritative and authentic, there are several Hadiths i.e. Al-Bukhari? Sahih Muslim? etc

Al-bukhari and Muslim are most authentic.

There was a peace treaty between the muslims and the polytheist of Makkah and this peace treaty was actually broken by the polytheist of Makkah, by the time Allah subhanawataala reaches verse 5, he is giving an ultimatum to the polytheist to put tins straight in four months otherwise there will be a declaration of war. So in the battle field, Allah is giving the muslims an ultimatum to kill the polytheist wherever you find them, this is in context of battle field. If today there is a war between America and vietnam and the American president says to the American soldiers' wherever you find the vietnami soldiers you kill him' this is in context of war. But if I quote him out of context when there is no war, I will make him sound like a butcher and that will be devilish. Almost all the verses that speaks about fighting in the battle field, the next verse that follows is PEACE is BETTER. EG surah 9:6 says'if the polytheist wants peace,don't just let him go, escort him to a place of security so that he may hear the word of Allah' because Islam is the religion of peace.

alexis: Then you should read both very well:

Surah 9:5 === And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful

Surah 9:29 == Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

So, who is taking the above verses out of context?

Hmmmm impressive, well quoted and correct. But out context. I will give you the context but before i give you the context let me point some worth noting. This complete qur'an we have now was not given to the prophet(SAW) as a complete book, it was given to him as a revelation. It was revealed revelation after revelation, 13 years in Makkah and 10 years in Madinah and it has to do with the situation on ground. There are numerous passages in the Qur'an commanding Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam in such terms as 'say', 'remind', 'inform', 'and 'your Lord say', so Muhammad (SAW) does not speak on his own desire or authority, it is no less than a Revelation sent down to him Qur'an 53:3-4. And here comes the context.....

alexis: Let me get this straight, are you of the opinion that all the Caliphs, Islamic Scholars, countries like Saudi Arabia and the Grand Mufti don't understand Islam because if they did, they will not kill another person?

I am not saying. But if any thing happens, it has to be in accordance with the correct teachings of Islam that is why we have the authentics sources. No well learnered muslim will advice you to go and kill an innocent person. Otherwise he has to present his proofs and reasons in accordance with the true teachings of Islam and it very easy to know whether he is right or wrong.

alexis: How do you know the source can never be correct? Again, I take a scholastic approach using the earliest Islamic sources that even you can't deny. For example, the account of Fatimah's killing is recorded in Al- Athir books. Ibn Al-Athir (1160–1233) wrote a history of the Muslem world from its beginnings to 1231. His is the most authoritative account, from the Muslem point of view.

Except you are telling me that one of the earliest accounts of a man that recorded several crusades and accounts of Islamic wars is a LIAR

lol.... I have told u ,it has to be an authentic source, the authentic sources we have are the qur'an and sahih ahadith. No one will dispute anytin from these ones. Any way I will verify and get back to you.

alexis: How do you know the source can never be correct?

we have the Qur'an and the sahih ahadith as the best and most authentic sources.

alexis: Haha, if you look at the killing of the Copts, burning their churches and kidnapping their women in this day and age and decide to play poli-tricks with it; then you are not worth my time

you have to go to the Islamic context to know whether they are right or not. That is why we have the Qur'an and ahadith as eternal guidance. These acts can never be justified from Islamic view point.

alexis: Are you saying he never did it or it happened but you don't believe the source?

he never did and the source can never be correct.

alexis: Bros, I am not basing it on any media. I have the Quran here with me. I read the Hadith, Al-Bukhari. I read the life of the prophet, his actions, the things he did and the things most mainstream Islamic countries do today.

For example, the burning of churches and killing of Christians from Kano to Ibadan was happening years before Boko Haram - so you have no case here. I have taken a scholarship and research approach on studying the Quran so you can't come here and tell me I don't know anything about it. I read it just like you do. I am not one of those people who would tell you anyone religion is perfect - I am real and practical.

talking about burning of churches before boko haram, i have told u, u can't used the actions of some ignorant muslims as a yard stick for Islam rather the other way round. A true muslim will never do such acts because the Qur'an and the ahadith cleary speak against it, that why I showed you 5:32 and there are many more from the Ahadith.

alexis: Look at you, do you know anything about your history - In 1920's and 1930's; the Middle East had 23% Christian population, now, they are less than 3%. What happened to others? Being Arab isn't tantamount with been Muslim. Christianity was the religion of the vast majority from 400–800 A.D. in Egypt and the majority after the Muslim conquest until the mid-10th century [13] and remains the faith of a significant minority population.

Go read on history man and stop making yourself look foolish here

says your view ko?

alexis: Which Surah and Hadith and I quoting out of context. Who needs the media to tell me about Islam. Was I lying when I wrote Mohammad ordered that Fatima bint Rabi'a should be killed and her daughter raped in front of her? Can you explain the context for me please

He can never order such things. Where is your prove? And it has to be from and Authentic source.