Richwallet:



Self awareness is the key to knowledge not interrogation of others.

Such as, what's your father's tribe? Do you know who your forefathers were? Were they Christians before the White man's ships landed on your ancestors shores?

Interrogation of others is one of the ways to understand their issues and beliefs, which in turn aids one’s knowledge and understanding. That’s why I asked what a Black is and all the other questions. You write a lot of things but it’s hard to make heads or tails of what you are trying to get across.

I can easily answer your questions to aid your understanding.

My father’s tribe is Itsekiri
Yes, I know who my forefathers were
No, christianity came with the mercantile ships and the slave ships as a psychological warfare tool.

Can you answer the questions now?

MindHacker9000:


Well all that I believe we know about religion has all been hearsay or what we read as no one can show us proof that they have seen GOD or Satan before. If you can then please kindly show us proof of your belief

I don't have religious beliefs because they fall within the realm of the supernatural and are solely comprised of subjective statements that can NEVER be verified. So if someone says "God exists", I can simply say "No, Dog exists and it ate God". Neither the former nor the latter can be shown true or false but I know that the latter is nonsense and since it has the same amount of proof (none) as the former, it follows that the former is also nonsense.

As far as I am concerned, this God and Satan are as real as Mami Water and Bush Baby. A skeptical mindset lends itself to knowledge and understanding without depending on authority. This way, one can figure out the truth about any subject and if one can't get to the truth, one would still be able to identify lies and nonsense.

MindHacker9000:


Here is my response:
1. For the YES part of remotely controlling someone's mind. It was not me controlling someone's mind remotely but based on my personal experience..

Sorry, still not clear. What is this personal experience?

MindHacker9000:

2. For the YES part for divination. I don't go to diviners or entertain them as I believe they are possessed. But I've had some experiences I had now control over that have now made me believe divination is real

What are these experiences that make you believe that divinations can be potent?

MindHacker9000:

3. For the NO part. I was during the time of Anini in Benin. I heard people then saying the guy is  too strong that he can disappear, that he has so much jazz that bullets cannot enter his body. But after he was caught an he started to confess and give the name of those that were protecting him. That was when I made up my mind that black magic cannot stop bullets or protect.

You never performed any research but based your belief on hearsay and anecdotes that are beyond the bounds of reason. Whether Anini was bullet proof or not cannot be ascertained by hearsay. In this situation, all you needed to know that Anini was not bullet proof was knowledge of the human body and projectiles fired from a gun. If you don't operate under the assumption that the supernatural is real, then the Anini story was dead on arrival.

MindHacker9000:

Thanks for sharing the video as it's good to research and investigate instead of just jumping into conclusion after seeing any trick, like maxinhouse does.

No problem. There is a lot of misinformation out there and learning to decipher sense from nonsense takes time and dedication to reason.

Richwallet:

The teachings of Yeshua is not Christianity of the Romans.

Who is Yeshua and what’s special about his teachings?

Richwallet:

The Black Edomite Romans took Yeshua and combined with Zeus to create Jesus. Then later they took Jesus and combined with Cristos a god of Ptolemy worshippers in Egypt to create Jesus Christ.

Are these Black Edomites part of the mysterious Blacks you haven’t clarified?
What is a Black?
What is an Edomite?
What other types of Edomites are there?
Why did these Edomites combine this Yeshua, Zeus of the Greeks, and Cristos of the Ptolemy Worshippers to form Jesus Christ?

We have a lot of actors with no defined roles!

Richwallet:

The true teachings of Yeshua were gnostic teachings or what one may call mysticism. They had no church in the beginning only Black Jews spreading the oral teachings of Yeshua in Aramaic throughout the Roman empire.

What are gnostic teachings or mysticism?
Are these Black Jews affiliated with the mysterious Blacks?
Why were they spreading oral teachings of this Yeshua in Aramaic? Was this Aramaic the lingua franca of the Roman Empire?

Richwallet:

The Romans ran out the Black Jews as many went into Europe and India and Persia lands that were always Semetic.

Did the other Jews help these Black Jews?

Richwallet:

Not all Blacks were ever African the Asiatics were Noah's sons through Shem. Celts and Franks and other Northern Blacks outside of Africa were of the tribes of Shem.

What is a Black?
Who are Noah and Shem?
What are Northern Blacks?

Richwallet:

As for Christianity it has had various orders besides the Roman, Celtic and Arianism were two other orders who had a few churches. The church King James a Black Celt grew up in was never attached to Rome and was hundreds of years in existence. History was revised to say King James broke away from the Catholic church to form his church which is a lie. After taking the Staurt royal family out of power the Catholics just write what they desire to be history.

Did the Black Celts confer with the other Celts to dispute this Catholic lie?
What do the Black Edomites and Black Jews think of all these? What about the Northern Blacks and Southern Blacks?

MindHacker9000:


Good question. My belief of YES is based on personal experience and if I had known earlier it could have been avoided and my belief of NO is based on my research.

YES was the answer you gave for the remote capabilities of this magic. When you say YES based on personal experience, does this mean you controlled someone remotely or were you controlled remotely?

NO was the answer you gave to the bullet example. Do you mean you performed research about bullet proof magic?

MindHacker9000:

But now this video documentary on YouTube where a voodoo priest when possessed in Haiti is eating a bottle and he does not feel any harm is now a misery and needs further research.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtKpkm7xYi8

Your NO answer implies that you don’t believe in this type of magic so why cite it as an example?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbpCw5ZnP5o

MindHacker9000:


You are the one showing your stupidity, most likely killyaselfie is another handle of yours. What I posted was a video and no proper research has been done to verify it's authenticity. Your 2000 year old mentality has quickly jumped to conclusion that any trick you see is real without any research and investigation, just as you have accepted your FAKE man made messiah.

I’d kill myself if my reasoning capabilities were as subterranean as MaxInDHouse’s. I’m no Jehovah Witless.

Richwallet:



pa·gan·ism
/ˈpāɡəˌnizəm/
Learn to pronounce
noun
a religion other than one of the main world religions, specifically a non-Christian or pre-Christian religion.
"converts from paganism to Christianity"
a modern religious movement incorporating beliefs or practices from outside the main world religions, especially nature worship.

From the perspective of the “pagans”, they can also refer to the Christians as “pagans” since it’s a convenient way to define others who aren’t part of your group.

So, this “old pagan world” is the time preceding the legalization and codification of Christianity by the Romans.

Is this old pagan world limited to the areas of Roman hegemony or is this “world” more expansive?

When and where did the old pagan world end?

Richwallet:



Blacks who worship more than one Deity are pagans such as Egypt was Black and pagan.

That doesn’t clarify the issue.

What is a Black?
What do you mean by Egypt?

Richwallet:
The old pagan world of Blacks are at the root of the New World Order.

“Blacks”. What is a “Black”?
What is the old pagan world?
What is New World Order?

MindHacker9000:


This is the OP's question: Christians And Muslims: Do You Believe In The Potency Of Black Magic?

So for your information my belief is both NO and YES, this is my belief not yours.

NO it cannot stop bullets and make a person to disappear in case anyone is thinking of using it for protection.

Yes, It can be used for remotely controlling a person's mind because of jealousy, wickedness and hatred, it can also be used for divination.

How come this magic doesn’t work when its potency can be verified but works well when it’s potency cannot be verified?

It can’t stop a bullet but it can control someone’s mind. It’s obvious that it can’t stop a bullet therefore it doesn’t work. If you claim it can control someone’s mind remotely, how can we verify that?

When your own indigenous culture becomes “charm” but the rosaries, misbahah, and crucifix of others is “faith”, you l’ve lost the war.

MindHacker9000:


So for your information my belief is both NO and YES, this is my belief not yours.

NO it cannot stop bullets and make a person to disappear in case anyone is thinking of using it for protection.

Yes, I can be used for remotely controlling a person's mind because of jealousy, wickedness and hatred, it can also be used for divination.

Do you experience any cognitive dissonance?

How can you take up both opposing positions at once and not have any problem stating such an opinion?

How come this magic doesn’t work when its potency can be verified but works well when it’s potency cannot be verified?

Kajaard:
We don't have pastors in Nigeria.

All we have are CON MEN

There are no pastors ANYWHERE. The religion is a con, the whites who brought it to your shores are savage cons, the pastors in your land are greedy cons, the Jews who created the god you worship are cons, the Romans who painted the god white are cons. The sooner the African diaspora wakes up, the better for them. I’m not holding my breath though.

PastorMIsBack:


You are right about that. God is omnipresent.

Omnipresence that can be foiled by nightgowns.

I read an anecdote about some nuns who took showers with their nightgowns in order to be modest and hide their bodies from the all seeing omnipresent Lord. The Lord can see through roofs and walls but he just cannot see them titties through the nuns’ gowns!

Wonder Woman came back in 1914, not some comic book hero called Jesus.
Jehovah Witless are delusional.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJCgeOAKXyg

DeepSight:


O most lamentable and infernal goblin: thou neither hast the spirit of genial camaraderie nor recognizeth playful good humour, when it is afoot. Read again, and surely thou shouldest recognize it at once.

Now quicken thy wits, lest we bring a rod to thy back, as it is written:
A whip for the horse, a bridle for the donkey and a rod for the back of the fool - Proverbs 26:3

Sure. I’m sure NNTR also took it as a joke. Must be like the immaterial pixies only you understand.

We see in the history which I have related, a sort of hypocrisy, that has been perhaps, but too common at all times: that churchmen not only do not say what they think, but they do say, the direct contrary of what they think.
Philosophers in their cabinets; out of them, they are content with fables, though they know that they are fables. Nay more: they deliver honest men to the executioner, for having uttered what they themselves know to be true. How many atheists and pagans have burned holy men under the pretext of heresy?
Everyday do hypocrites consecrate, and make people adore the host, though as well convinced as I am, that it is nothing but a bit of bread.
Isaac de Beausobre (historian of religion)
1659-1738

Highman56:
All I see are Wicked men passing selfish ambitions as God's sanctioned actions.Terrible humans

He that reads ecclesiastical history, reads nothing but the roguery and folly of bishops and churchmen.
Hugo Grotius (theologian, savant)
1583-1645

DeepSight:


What is the use of shadows and precursors ? ? ?
Desist from such meaningless pursuits with us, lest we take you for either a nincompoop or a clown.



What sort of preposterous analogy is this?
You had better sit up, lest we begin to upbraid and sanction you in a properly harsh manner.



This is blasphemy.
Be warned, and take frightful notice, lest your name is recommended for the Lake of Fire on this account.



While truly sad, this sort of horrifying experience is by no means limited to Jesus alone. In fact, many have undergone similar or worse.
Straighten up your back now as a man, and eschew sentimental thinking: lest we take you to the barracks for a flogging.

You are one step away from calling him jackass.

DeepSight:


Pele. Good afternoon.

Stfu

DeepSight:


It is to be noted that this thread has been generally free of vulgarities. Too much to hope that you could leave it as decent as you found it?

Stfu

DeepSight:


Just don't run away from it. Thoughts are matter you said. I even brought you the definition of matter as having mass and occupying space and you boldly said that when written down on paper, such meets the definition. Nevermind that any child would spot that you must have a thought before writing anything down in representation of it. Oh nevermind that at all.

Thoughts are matter, so you say. Just stick with it. It's one for the grandchildren.

Thoughts are products of immaterial fairies at the root of consciousness, so you say. The product of grandchildren raised in a benighted society like yours

DeepSight:


What, are we withdrawing to saying only that they are products of matter - haba. Don't be afraid. You already declared them matter. Have the courage of your conviction.

Thinking is a material process regardless if I say it’s a product of matter or distilled to the matter involved in the process.

Tell us about your magical pixies.
Your nonsense depends on the credulity and ignorance of your interlocutor that’s why you vibe with people like a TenQ and Sonmvayina. Explain your stance about the immaterial or please stfu.

DeepSight:


I can't be perturbed with your insults, little man, given your preposterous description of thoughts as physical matter.

It's quite comical watching someone who is able to utter such scientific blasphemy pompously waltz around claiming the scientific high ground.

Too comical.

Comical says the clown who thinks the functions of the brain are performed by invisible pixies. All that grey on your head and still sound as clueless as ever.

Thoughts are products of physical matter no matter how much you object.

DeepSight:


Medieval churchmen didnt listen to heretics, remember - they burnt them. And our modern "scientific" friends are very like-minded with those medieval churchmen. They also burn heretics.

Friend, lower your expectations.

What a jackass. If calling your asinine postulations unfounded equates “burning the heretics” then this is a well deserved immolation.

triplechoice:


No. It is not condescending. You need to calm down since I already promised tomorrow. Jam the "road" typing this.

I want to respond to everything here that I have not had the opportunity to respond to. That is it. Cheers

And like I said, all you will come up with will be claptrap just like the balderdash of religion.

triplechoice:


Just calm down. Your response shows you don't have a single clue about what I want to say later.

It is not what you think. The word soul doesn't fully describe it. The use of that word is what is triggering your response. So I understand..

And anyway I am not responding just because of you alone and so whatever you think at this point can't stop me.

In order to have a balanced judgement on anything one needs to listen to both sides of the "story" even when the other side is nonsense to you..

There that they go with the condescension. “Calm down”. Just present your so called soul or whatever you call it and save the sermonizing.

triplechoice:


I will respond tomorrow. Don't conclude yet .

Whether you agree or not, science is also, even though indirectly, still in search of the true essence of our being. And once it succeeds in that regard, you don't expect it would be labeled soul.It certainly would be called something else.

Don't jump the gun yet.

Science isn’t in search of “the essence of our being”. There is success already in the field of neurology and the role of the brain in personhood has already been established.

You have nothing to say that can move the needle of this discussion other than proving the existence of whatever you call soul.

If you think Deepsight’s postulations are brilliant, there is nothing that you can come up it that will be convincing.

triplechoice:


I have been following the conversation but not been able to comment due to some pressing engagements that has left me with not enough time to respond the way I would want to.

Still much busy . But I would hurriedly respond to the above.

Before anyone starts running away with the inferences drawn from what happened to Gage, the following should be considered;

Was Gage ,before that unfortunate incident , aware of himself as soul occupying a physical body?

If he was ,is there any evidence that he has been functioning from the position where he sees himself as a soul occupying a physical body or a mind having a brain that helps him to process thoughts?


The answers to the above would help determine accurately what may have led to the personality changes observed.

While I await the answers, I would like to mention that the concept of soul propagated by certain religious groups, Christianity especially, is not what I subscribe to .

That one is based on a literary interpretation of the genesis account. It is misleading.

No God breathed into man to make him a living soul. That never happened.

Soul is not created nor can it be destroyed in hell after judgement if it fails to surrender it's life to someone.

Those statements are religious bladderdash.

By tomorrow or after then, I would share my full thoughts on the discussion.

I thought we would have moved past this point as I expected deepsight to have by now provided something as evidence to back all his brilliant postulations.

I also remember Lordreed asking for something like a demonstration and the benefits that can come from this knowledge of knowing oneself as soul. Nothing has been given since that time till now.

What is a soul?
The anecdote is to show the mind is generated by “chemicals and neurons” despite the protestations of the religious. This isn’t about if Gage saw himself as a “soul” but how damage to his brain caused damage to his mind. It shows that the functions that they claim the thing they call soul performs are really performed by the brain and it doesn’t need a soul to explain the functioning.

You claim religious conception of soul is bladderdash. You are not going to provide anything but subjective and unfounded statements so what makes you think your conception of soul isn’t claptrap?

I mean, the fact that’s there is no universal definition of this undetectable soul that isn’t needed for anything except to terrorize the gullible, indicates that it is a ruse.

The only time a soul is useful is when the leaders of religion are trying to terrify their sheep with supernatural punishment.

Deepsight’s postulations are the definition of pseudo profound bullshit. Very prolix but not saying anything valid. An expert in fallacious reasoning.

I guess this man’s “soul” or “core root conciousness that is beyond the physical” couldn’t recognize itself because the brain had Alzheimer’s disease or maybe the brain is the source of the mind/identity and any damage to it results in damage to the mind.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq5VQF4fOfg

LordReed:


Nah, what we have here is a person who doesn't even care to understand what he is arguing about before putting his foot in his mouth. Can you show me where I said the mind is chemicals acting on neurons? No because I didn't. Get a clue first my dude.

You shouldn’t give this ignorant buffoons the chance and satisfaction of thinking their mockery of actual knowledge makes it wrong. You should have said, yes, “neurons and chemicals” is the mind and let the buffoon explain( yea right!) how the magical soul performs any function. I’m used to their nonsense, so it’s easy to see the dead end of their reasoning before they even get a chance to avoid it. Ask them to explain their obviously subjective claims and they become prolix and condescending while spewing more nonsense.
You saw the TenQ fool yap about software this, software that, but when it was time to make the comparison with the so called soul, he just introduced another entity called spirit body and was totally oblivious to the non-explanation.
That’s why I don’t hesitate to call them jackasses because that’s what the disingenuous cretins are.


*copied from a website.
The second problem for dualists is the problem of deep personality changes following brain injury. If the mind and brain are separate, the mind is the seat of consciousness (and presumably personality) and the mind communicates with the brain only to pull the puppet’s strings, why would a brain injury alter who a person is? The classic case is that of Phineas Gage. In 1848, Gage was blasting rock to build a rail line when a charge prematurely exploded, sending the tamping rod he was using through his frontal lobe. Amazingly, he was conscious following the accident, but some time later, physician Dr. John Martyn Harlow wrote

The equilibrium or balance, so to speak, between his intellectual faculties and animal propensities, seems to have been destroyed. He is fitful, irreverent, indulging at times in the grossest profanity (which was not previously his custom), manifesting but little deference for his fellows, impatient of restraint or advice when it conflicts with his desires, at times pertinaciously obstinate, yet capricious and vacillating, devising many plans of future operations, which are no sooner arranged than they are abandoned in turn for others appearing more feasible. A child in his intellectual capacity and manifestations, he has the animal passions of a strong man. Previous to his injury, although untrained in the schools, he possessed a well-balanced mind, and was looked upon by those who knew him as a shrewd, smart businessman, very energetic and persistent in executing all his plans of operation. In this regard his mind was radically changed, so decidedly that his friends and acquaintances said he was ‘no longer Gage.’

Dtruthspeaker:


All this because, you can not find any reasonable and valid answer.

Even right now have you just supplied your subjective experience about me.