TenQ:

Here are the two options again

The question was knowing which position is correct from
1. The intangible Soul/Mind/Spirit as the fundamental source of living activities
OR
2. That the tangible organs/genes/brain/chemistry as the fundamental source of living activities

If you had understood that the Software in a machine is Not tangible the case would have been simple for you to comprehend. The software is simply DIRECTIVES and INSTRUCTIONS given to a machine to make it behave in a certain format. The medium of interface or reception of such directives or instructions is the memory of the computer.

Is it possible that an AI computer/humanoid robot can be created that wouldn't need to be fed any kind of instructions/directives?
If such is possible, then you have a valid point!

If tampering with the CPU or RAM affects the working of a computer, could it be the evidence that computers are not controlled by Softwares?

What’s your point? The software may be intangible but it still requires a material object to be functional.
If the soul is like software, you have to show where these instructions are written. Before you say that these instructions are written on the brain, keep in mind that the heart was once thought to be the seat of intelligence and that’s why they wrote, “the heart of man is wicked”. The only reason you will respond with brain is because that’s what science has shown to be responsible for what “the soul” is said to be responsible for.


What kind of AI/Humanoid doesn’t/wouldn’t depend on instructions?

DeepsightX:


It's a very subtle subject so let us take it step by step: are we agreed that even if a thought is produced by the interactions of matter, a thought is not itself matter? Because what I am trying to do here is simply establish the existence of non-material things.

For this purpose it does not matter that that they are produced by matter, no pun intended.
What matters is that we agree that thoughts -

1. exist and -
2. are not matter.

Thoughts exists as functions of matter.

DeepSight:


Oh but to say that a thing is the product of matter is still different from the thing being matter, dont you agree? So in other words, even if we agree that thoughts are the products of material objects, would you then assert that since this is the case, thoughts are in fact material objects?

No, thoughts are emergent properties of material objects to wit neurons exchanging electrical and chemical information, which are themselves descriptions of material interactions between objects.

For your proof to be valid, you have to present an isolated thought in the physical world independent of a brain or tell me how I can observe it in the “more to reality physical world”
If you show me a picture, interactions between neurons could produce a thought that is verbalized as “good” but there is no disembodied thought known as “good”.

DeepSight:


Oh this will simply be logic and reason. If you are looking for an equation such as E = MC² well that's not not what I will be doing. As for proving it I should simply point out that there are many things that one could not reasonably consider physical, but which are nonetheless very real. Thoughts would be an example. Time would be another example.

Thoughts are products of material objects as in they are functions of a brain. Time is also product of the changes in physical constituents of the world.

Show me a thought without matter generating it or time independent of the physical world.

DeepSight:


Okay, given that you somewhat accept to some extent the usefulness of philosophical reasoning, maybe we should try a little of it and see where it might lead. However I must first ask if if you believe that science is capable of addressing everything about reality. I ask this because my impression is that science deals with the physical, and I believe that there is more to reality than the physical. And I am sure that I can prove this is a few short lines.

State the criteria for proving “there’s more to reality than the physical” and then go ahead and prove it.

DeepSight:


Do you accept philosophical reasoning as a tool for approaching the nature of reality as we know it: or is this inquiry the preserve of science in your worldview?

Philosophical reasoning helps develop ideas but you still need the scientific method to understand the nature of reality.

DeepSight:


Well, one thing I acknowledged at the outset is that significant aspects of this matter rest in the experiential (which is subjective) and thus may be wholly impossible to debate.



Religiously indoctrinated?

Also what about the ancient philosophers who believed in this thing called a soul. Would you regard them as superstitious as well? Because they based their beliefs in that regard on what they considered to be reason.

Ancient philosophers did not have the luxury of our scientific tools nor were they infallible. Their reason was handicapped by their lack of sufficient technology but scientific method/knowledge is what resulted from their dedication to reason. So, if we are to venerate reason, we should build on what they left and not hold on to their “enlightened ignorance”.

I like Plato’s Republic and have learned from it but that doesn’t mean I accept his concept of “soul”.

Also, the “ancient” philosophers considered themselves modern during their times and they were influenced by more ancient philosophers. If you don’t adopt the bumptiously ignorant view of Eurocentrism, the philosophers of “Ancient Greece” obviously adopted and developed older philosophies of the lands south and east of the Greek isles. So they were in a way also indoctrinated.

If we go back further in time, then a soul becomes the animating force in nature, which is just an idea devoid of support but which served to explain an aspect of the natural world satisfactorily.

budaatum:

This can not possibly be true!

If it were true, all our minds would work the same way and we'd all reason the same way, except for the fact that while our minds might be a product of how we individually arranged our interaction with matter which differs immensely, our behavior can therefore not just be a "vast assembly of nerve cells and their associated molecules" which we all pretty much have in common.

Just as we don't all have the same hardware (I'm missing a sixpack), so have we not all developed our minds to work the same way which would be the case if minds were "vast assembly of nerve cells and their associated molecules", is my unauthorised point.

Regardless of if the mind “works the same way”, all minds are still made up of functional brains. The fact that humans are differentiated doesn’t mean that they are not fundamentally human. Some express a lot of melanin, some don’t. Some are short, some are tall etc, but humans they are.

Produce a mind that doesn’t involve a vast assembly of cells and their associated molecules.

DeepSight:


I would have liked to invite you to consider that those who have a different view are not necessarily superstitious or indoctrinated. I would have liked to urge you to consider also that there rests a certain inflexibility of thought in the disposition which dismisses all contrary views in a matter like this, as superstitious.

For one neednt be either superstitious or indoctrinated to believe that there is an immaterial aspect of being which rests at the root of personal consciousness and identity.

However I say "I would have liked to" because I am conscious that that is nothing but a pipe dream on my part: namely that you would never consider any of these thoughts as worthy of anything at all.

I would consider anything that isn’t a subjective claim. Not saying subjective claims are necessarily false, but there is no criteria where you can prove or I can disprove “ immaterial aspect of being which rests at the root of personal consciousness and identity”. The claim becomes irredeemable when it’s assertions can be explained without appeal to credulity or obscurantism.

Yes, you have to be superstitious or indoctrinated to believe in souls.

TenQ:

To answer any question of a complex nature, you move from known to unknown.

The question was knowing which position is correct from
1. The intangible Soul/Mind/Spirit as the fundamental source of living activities
OR
2. That the tangible organs/genes/brain/chemistry as the fundamental source of living activities

What are the knowns that can be used to comprehend or explain what our observations?

A good example of the known is a Computer/AI humanoid robot. It is entirely built up of physical tangible matter BUT is controlled by an intangible SOFTWARE!

A logical question to test the above hypothesis of similarity is to ask the question:
Is it possible to have a computer/AI humanoid robot that is devoid of a software?

The answer for now is NO!

Meaning that the hypothesis makes sense UNTIL a better one is put forward.

Do you have a better/contrary hypothesis?

So between option 1and 2, you choose the most unsupportable and unfounded option. The brain is responsible for everything you people ever attribute to the mythological soul. You have no soul.
The mind itself is nothing but a product of arrangement and interaction of matter. And it doesn’t matter how much you believe otherwise. I am yet to see a person devoid of a living and functional brain interacting with people as his “soul” expresses mind and emotion. Mind, emotion, etc are functions of the brain and only the superstitious or indoctrinated continue to say otherwise. Damage to the brain alters conciousness, emotions, intellect, will etc but y’all continue to pretend that it is something called a soul.

Not to appeal to authority, but these two put it succinctly.

This is what Francis Crick, codiscoverer of the structure of DNA, called “The Astonishing Hypothesis.” In Crick’s words, “You, your joys and your sorrows, your memories and your ambitions, your sense of personal iden­tity and free will, are in fact no more than the behavior of a vast assembly of nerve cells and their associated molecules.”

Harvard psychologist Joshua Greene summarizes the situation as follows:
Most people are dualists. Intuitively, we think of ourselves not as physical devices, but as immaterial minds or souls housed in physical bodies. Most experimental psychologists and neuroscientists disagree, at least officially. The modern science of mind proceeds on the assumption that the mind is simply what the brain does. We don’t talk much about this, however. We scientists take the mind’s physical basis for granted. Among the general public, it’s a touchy subject.


PS: the software is not intangible. Instruction written on a material surface is not intangible.

BigDick70inch:


And those of tb Joshua nkor??

Obviously didn’t work. The boy dead!

Even if there was a Jesus that’s coming back, what do those two white men in the op have to do with it?

That heaven looks melanin deficient. Righteousness2, where are your kinfolk? In the kitchen?

socialmediaman:
Show us around you let's see if those armed security men are looking stern!

walkbrazil4k:


You are a confused little boy,because you can't debate without insults, what if the missionaries was an advance team of the white slave traders to soften the mind of the people, did your little brain also tell you that? Look, I am a Christian but I am not brainwashed and I still believe chiristianity saved Africa, bye

Saved Africa from what?
Aren’t the effects of the exploitation and destruction perpetrated by the mercantile class and the priests still apparent?

What exactly did Christianity save Africa from when even the beneficial actions of the priests were to aid the mercantile class’ exploitation of the land and people?

End times! Jesus is coming soon as we witness the unmanned weapons that will be used in the battle of Gog, Hog, Zog, and Magog!!


cc Righteousness2

sonmvayina:


Ok, but you know the burning bush story is a metaphorical story. I suppose it is same for the Jesus story.

Same ol’ shit. Things you dislike or can’t defend are metaphorical, otherwise it’s totally real.

If it’s same for the Jesus story, why is the Moses story exempt.
I’m sorry, “Moses didn’t exist”. “The Torah was written by Ezra”

sonmvayina:


You are the only person I see trolling me,

The Ginormous Jackass is also invisible………….and it’s outside space and time.

sonmvayina:


You don take your medicine so?

Abeg oh, or nah to increase the dose.

In anyway...take am easy.

I was only speaking figuratively. Thanos is the Greek God of death.

If you are speaking figuratively, why can’t I speak figuratively?

If what I wrote led you to inquire about my “medicine”, you probably need to take your medicine because if what I wrote is “crazy”, then yours is too.

Don’t make me power up my Otionocus because things would get ugly for you quickly.

LilMissFavvy:
We are waiting for the remaining part of the write up. I also request that you will give us ideas on how to overcome evil powers, how one can pray to overcome evil monitoring. etc, thanks.

The mermaid turned into a merman and said “moisture is the essence of wetness and wetness is the essence of beauty”. Then it swam away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoQW03UFqQw

sonmvayina:
We are all in agreement..Jesus is not the Jewish Messiah. Well but you all can worship him.

It is allowed but not profitable...

It is very profitable. Have you seen Oyedepo or the Catholic Church?!

sonmvayina:


So how did the word of God become Jesus the man?

The he same way the talking bush spoke to a man whose staff turned into a snake.

sonmvayina:


Let me send you on a long/short journey..depends on your speed.

What if there is a Ginormous Jackass trolling us in infinite amount of ways?!!

sonmvayina:
Forget covid

Forget vaccine mandates.

Thanos is coming. That is what we should be concerned with.

As for me. I can accommodate Thanos, but you see those his children, they are the meanest of the mean.

FYI Thanos is the Greek God of death. = 666= the queen of heaven. ( for those who are familiar with Germatia coding.).


2/3 of humanity is going..(war of Gog and Magog, it is going to hapoen).

Then the remnant of humanity will take hold of the jew, to teach them about their God. Just as Zachariah prophesied. This is after they realized they have been deceived all along. They will sing the song in Isaiah 53.

"Who has believed what we have heard ( Israel was innocent and right all along) and to who has the arm of the Lord is revealed......


He was wounded from our transgression...

Bruised from our iniquity..

We thought it was God that was punishing him

Isaiah 53 is about Israel as the suffering servant.

All of the above is bullshit. Dr. Strange has combined the soul stone with the time stone to make the Otionocus. The Otionocus is the device that will prevent the war of Gog and Magog from happening. Instead of the war Jesus will appear with Moses on Fragglerock with Excalibur and slay the demiurge, thereby forgiving everybody’s original sin.

sonmvayina:



What goes around comes around...

Your village is next..

The house Negroes – they lived in the house with master, they dressed pretty good, they ate good ’cause they ate his food — what he left. They lived in the attic or the basement, but still they lived near the master; and they loved their master more than the master loved himself. They would give their life to save the master’s house quicker than the master would. The house Negro, if the master said, “We got a good house here,” the house Negro would say, “Yeah, we got a good house here.” Whenever the master said “we,” he said “we.” That’s how you can tell a house Negro.

If the master’s house caught on fire, the house Negro would fight harder to put the blaze out than the master would. If the master got sick, the house Negro would say, “What’s the matter, boss, we sick?”

The above by Malcolm X is akin to our dear Sonmvayina; the one who has pierced both of his ears and called the jew his master for life. The mourner who wails louder than the bereaved.

DeepSight:


Brilliant, even if pessimistic. Much here is very well said - even if one holds out the hope that there is some extraneous meaning to this life - one still has to say - very well said.

“Pessimism” or reality. Whichever way you view it, it probably gave rise to gods, the afterlife, and “the hope that there is extraneous meaning to this life”. It is also the reason people compartmentalize their faith in the face of contradictory reality because to acknowledge it is to give way to existential dread. Better a comfortable lie than the indifferent truth.

PastorAIO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTXTPe3wahc

So the gist of it is that there is an infinitely small probability that another PastorAIO exists somewhere in the universe.

DrChukki:


A woman in my street took her deaf and dumb son to chosen crusade... The guy came back the same...

Surprisingly, Few months later she saw picture of her son on a flyer as someone healed of 25 years deaf and dumb...
It got the woman angry and she stopped attending Chosen

That should be a lawsuit or at least a financial settlement. If the country wasn’t so ignorant, this would be a good time to teach this worthless scammers a lesson.
Getting angry is not enough. First they lie, then they steal and use the image of her son without compensation?

There is no such thing as miracles. The jackass in the op saying “most” is just another unscrupulous piece of lying shit. All miracles are nonsense including the ones in your Bible.

Seeing that the guy in the op is a Catholic priest, I should say the only miracle I know of is the one the Roman Catholics performed. Take the jew god (whose image is not meant to be depicted) and turn it into a white man.

oluseyiforjesus:
I wonder why ds people quit football wen CR7 n Messi etc dat started b4 dem are still on d pitch

Simple, my man’s age on Wikipedia is 34 meanwhile my man’s picture on Wikipedia from 2014 depicts a 34 year old man.
Judging by the video, my man is at least 40, probably 42.
The only thing he can do with CR7 or Messi is coaching.

K

Elliot2:
Dude African tribes were killing one another before the white man cane

And European tribes were killing one another and everybody else before and after christianity. What’s your point?

walkbrazil4k:


You are not even making any sense boy

Boy you wouldn’t know sense if it smacks you dead in your stupid face. Perpetual slave.