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Christianity EtcRe: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Kingdomtruth: 4:21pm On Apr 13, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:
You said it, "we have His nature in us" Exactly as Written "God with Us", "In him was life; and the life was the light of men." therefore, I can Love The Lord my God, With All My Heart, And with All My Soul and WITH ALL MY STRENGTH including using the Strength of The Lord!
Even the scripture you quoted up there talks about the SPIRIT too...Well, I'm not trying to impose my believe on you. I believe that it is by FAITH alone through the SPIRIT that we are put right with God. But it is OK if you have a different believe than this...This is what I believe in and I do not have any reason whatsoever, to believe otherwise... A quick advise: Just hold on to what you believe and I will do same...However, I'll continue to pray for God's TRUTH to be revealed to all of us in Jesus' name.
Christianity EtcRe: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Kingdomtruth: 3:16pm On Apr 13, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:
The highlighted is what I have been hammering on, for in it you have clearly admitted that we are not Perfect, which was what I have been going on about, thus let us all strive to be Perfect and Sinless as Christ!

Good afternoon brother!
And by striving to become perfect and sinless, you think you can do it by your STRENGTH without the HOLY SPIRIT?
Christianity EtcRe: I See Myself Doing Things I Don't Want To Do by Kingdomtruth: 2:39pm On Apr 13, 2021
Kobojunkiee:
Jesus Christ is the Truth of God. What do you think He calls the doctrines and traditions of men? Lies!
Smiles! it's alright bro...May God help us
Christianity EtcRe: I See Myself Doing Things I Don't Want To Do by Kingdomtruth: 2:16pm On Apr 13, 2021
Kobojunkiee:
It is not OK to lie in the name of God. You deceive people by these lies and destroy their chances at Heaven as a result. undecided

Jesus Christ, His teachings, examples, and Life is the Truth of God. Doctrines that do not align with His teachings are not of Him and do not produce the same result as His Truth, the Only Way to God. undecided
Hmmm, Smiles! I LIE?...It's OK o.May God help us all
Christianity EtcRe: I See Myself Doing Things I Don't Want To Do by Kingdomtruth: 1:24pm On Apr 13, 2021
Kobojunkiee:
When Jesus Christ first opened His mouth to teach His Gospel of the Kingdom of God to the lay folks of His time, He did not start by giving them a history lesson. No, He instead said... "repent(since they were those under law) for the Kingdom of God is at here". Same applies here. The Op does not need a history lesson when his request is clear.
Jesus Christ declared that He is the way, THE TRUTH, and the life... So, the Truth of God is embodied in the person of Jesus Christ - His teachings and His examples... that is what you are told to know, in John 8. How to know the Truth? Simple... start by learning His life and teachings, submitting to and obeying the instructions/commandments exposed of Him in it. undecided
I am afraid you are mistaken! God created man for His own glory from the beginning. When man fell, God did not give up on His grand project there and then. NO! Instead, God hatched a plan to save His creation.
He chose to use a seed of Abraham to bless the nations of the world. And it is that seed that He sent in the person of Jesus Christ. So yes, God had a reason to send Jesus Christ into the World. undecided

This does not make sense as far as the teachings of Jesus Christ, or the Prophets before Him. And as far a what was offered for our salvation and deliverance... well, nothing really. Since again, this was God's plan from the beginning. undecided
This is all doctrines and traditons of men, beliefs Jesus Christ called lies,given that it does not align with the Truth of God, Jesus Christ. undecided
Again, more doctrines of men since it contradicts the Truth of Jesus Christ in all of this.undecided
What you continue to declare is against the Truth of God, Jesus Christ, and so should be separated from Him in all-wise! undecided


OP, please stick instead to reading through the Gospels for yourself so you can learn the Truth from the Truth of God Himself. Jesus Christ is The Way, the Truth, and the Life, and so the only way to overcome sin is to accept and obey the teachings of Jesus Christ(The Truth of God). undecided
It is OK to have a different BELIEVE and OPINION from MINE, about the GOSPEL TRUTH of CHRIST JESUS. MY JOY however is that: there are no TRUTHS, there can only be the TRUTH I.e TRUTH is always in the SINGULAR, not in the PLURAL...One day I believe, no matter how long it takes, we shall all know the truth...So please, hold on to what you believe and I will do same my brother/sister...But notwithstanding, I'd continue to PRAY for God's GRACE on all of us and for His TRUTH to be revealed to our HEARTS in Jesus' name...Stay bless my bro./sis...Thanks
Christianity EtcRe: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Kingdomtruth: 1:02pm On Apr 13, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:
And this is your K.O at the highlighted "The Nature of Christ"

Are we not supposed to be Christ-Like not just only receiving and having his nature? (Be the perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect is The Law)

Yes, we are christ like already because we have His nature in us. But In the very comment you quoted, I told you that: while our salvation is IMMEDIATE, our becoming PERFECT like Christ is not IMMEDIATE but GRADUAL. The reason for this, is because we were bornt and brought up in the FLESH. But Christ in the opposite was bornt and brought up in HOLINESS. And He came to the world to transfer His life of HOLINESS to us who were all our lives UNHOLY. Hence, that life transfer from our UNHOLINESS to His HOLINESS will take time through our many falling and rising, trying to learn everything about Him until we finally become perfect like Him.

If you "carry your old hearts" how can you be like Christ?

That is why God joined our OLD HEARTS and HIS HEART together in what is called UNION WITH CHRIST. The reason is for us to learn everything about Him through our UNION with Him in order to become as PERFECT as He is.

Did Christ have any of your old heart fruits?

NO...Because He was never a carrier of the FLESH. He only decided to later share it(the FLESH) because of YOU and I for the purpose of DEATH in order to set us FREE. And after the CROSS EXPERIENCE, He together with us have become FREE from the FLESH till date.

Is your "old heart" compatible with Christ?

NO.

The Law is "Be Perfect as thy heavenly Father is Perfect"

And i just explained to you that: it is GRADUAL. As we continue to BEHOLD Him, we shall certainly become PERFECT like Him.

You have the duty and obligation to Be Perfect in Following after Christ and not resting on your bums!

Not by our STRENGTH my brother, but by His GRACE...GOOD AFTERNOON TO YOU
Christianity EtcRe: I See Myself Doing Things I Don't Want To Do by Kingdomtruth: 7:58pm On Apr 12, 2021
DannyG8:
I have try pray fast and am still commiting the sin
My brother, you will only be wasting your time as those fasting and praying, tithe paying for the purpose of defeating SIN, are in themselves self induced...Nothing will set you free, except DEATH in Christ Jesus.... And He already paid the PRICE and died for you...Know this and know freedom brodaman. The LORD help us all I pray
Christianity EtcRe: I See Myself Doing Things I Don't Want To Do by Kingdomtruth: 6:34pm On Apr 12, 2021
LisaAnneMia:
Yayyyy...Op your breakthrough is here wink
Thank God for GRACE my sister.It's all about GRACE
Christianity EtcRe: I See Myself Doing Things I Don't Want To Do by Kingdomtruth: 6:18pm On Apr 12, 2021
DannyG8:
there is this particular sin that is bring me down to my knee always praying forgiveness everyday accept Jesus rededicate my life but I still find myself commiting that sin please I need your advice no insult
You can also go to my profile and read more on how to be free from FLESH(SIN), no matter the kind of SIN. May God help you I pray
Christianity EtcRe: I See Myself Doing Things I Don't Want To Do by Kingdomtruth: 6:14pm On Apr 12, 2021
OP, carefully go through this, it'll help you.


So, I'm back again to talk about what Jesus Christ did for our salvation I.e the price He paid and how He paid it, for our deliverance and salvation today. I realised that: most of us as Christians are ignorant of the truth regarding our salvation. The truth is that: without the knowledge of what was done and how it was done for us to be freed from the operation and tyranny of sin(FLESH) in our lives, we won't be able to appreciate to a reasonable degree; the sacrifice as it were and see the depth of the PRICE exactly for what it is.
I know for sure however, that: only when we know the truth; shall we be saved by it. See John 8:32. But, how can we be saved by the truth; when we don't even know it.
Because I've come to understand that: a lot of us are Christians only on paper but not in practise. We seem to think that: to be a Christian is just a title rather than a lifestyle. But, I put it to us that: it is by far more than that, instead, it is a deliberate work with the Lord aimed at becoming conformed to the image and likeness of Christ Jesus. See Romans 8:29.
THE REASON FOR HIS COMING.
God had no reason for sending Christ Jesus into the world, but for you and me. It was obvious prior to His coming that we were all set for doom. All of us. But, God in His LOVE and MERCY, prepared a body for Him in the form of HUMAN and sent Him for just only one purpose. And that one purpose, was for Him to DIE in order to set us free from the power of sin(FLESH) and to give us victory over DEATH See 1 Corinthians 15:56. You can do well to revert to my previous thread on my profile and read about the FLESH.
WHAT WAS OFFERED FOR OUR SALVATION AND DELIVERANCE.
God knew that: no human activity(ies) would suffice to be able to set us free from sin(FLESH). He knew that: Just as a married woman is bound to the LAW of marriage to be with her husband together forever until death separate them; in the same way, we were all bound to sin(FLESH) forever and ever, to live in sin and its tyranny until we all DIE. But, thank God, who gave us this VICTORY through the sacrife of the BODY of Christ Jesus, by which we are saved. See the same 1 Corinthians 15:56. YES, you saw it well. It was by the offering of the PHYSICAL BODY of Christ Jesus that we are all freed and delivered today from sin.
HOW IT ALL HAPPENED.
Christ Jesus was without sin. But, for our sake, God made Him to become sin for us to share our sinful nature with us for the purpose of DEATH in order that we might become the righteousness of God by our union with Him. See 2Corinthians 5:21.
In dealing with sin(FLESH) however, Jesus Christ at the garden of 'GETHSEMANE', drank from the cup of suffering which was a symbol of our FLESH, after this, He declared that: Sorrow and anguish came over Him. Then, He prayed and declared that: not His will but the will of God be done. Note at this point,that: He had taken the FLESH(our sinful nature) in Him. And because of that, the holy spirit left Him, because the spirit and the flesh do not live together. where the SPIRIT is present, the FLESH disappears and vice versa. Just as light and darkness do not live together. Reason He declared that sorrow and anguish came over Him. Having taken this FLESH( our sinful nature) in His PHYSICAL BODY, with all its inherent suffering, beating, mockery and embarrassment; He endured all in order to take it to the cross and nail it there on the cross. He did this for two main reasons:
1) To destroy sin(FLESH) in our mortal bodies
2) To forgive all our individual sins with their various curses that were heaped on us because of disobedience.
All these, He achieved for our sake through the sacrifice of His body on the cross for us. Need I say that: Christ Jesus had no business dieing on the cross, if not for our sins so that through GRACE we might become the righteousness of God.
As He died on the CROSS, everything in Him died including the our FLESH(sinful nature) that He carried in Him to the CROSS. So that: as we believe in Him and accept Him into our lives, we automatically share in His death, so that we no longer have to die to our respective FLESH(ES), but that, through Him, we believe we have become death and freed to our sinful natures respectively just as He died and was freed from His. Because only death, will set us free from the FLESH. See Romans 7:6. But here, we see that: if we had died to our FLESH as individuals; it would've been destruction for ever and ever for us in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone. See 1Corinthians 15:50. but, God in His mercy, achieved this through His son; so that while we were still sinners, He died the death that we ought to die, in order to set us free to be able to live for God and become His righteousness through our union with Christ.
Furthermore, it is instructive to know that: as important as His death was, our salvation was still not completed. Until the moment He died, was buried and resurrected. After His resurrection, He was then raised to GLORY and was given the power by God His Father to become the author of salvation. So that, only HE has the power to save all those that BELIEVE in Him.See John 3:16.
OUR HOPE AS CHRISTIANS.
Now as Christians, we have this one HOPE which is very fundamental and sure that: just as He died, was buried and raised to life, we too who BELIEVE in Him would be raised to life and live for ever and ever with Him at His second appearing. See1 Corinthians 15:22-23.
Finally, brothers and sister, this is our HOPE in Christ Jesus. Without Him, you can't live the way God wants you to live. For it is after you have confessed that :"He is LORD and you BELIEVE in your heart that He died and was raised by God" that, He would come into your LIFE by the power of the same spirit that resurrected Him from death and He would give you the power called GRACE to live in righteous the way God wants you to live. Else, there's no other way. The FLESH has to go. Else, trying to please God and experiencing His power in your Life would be as impossible as you telling a man to give birth to a baby. It is actually that impossible. The very reason why Christ told His disciples that: with man it is impossible, but nothing is impossible with God. Only in Christ Jesus can we be saved, and only in Him do we have the power( GRACE) to sustain our salvation. Because, we are FLESH but the LAW is SPIRIT.So, only by the power of the HOLY SPIRIT found in Christ Jesus can we be saved. Thanks and God bless us all...Shalom!
Christianity EtcRe: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Kingdomtruth: 4:05pm On Apr 12, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:
Respectfully, I do not think that I should give you the answer here in Public for now you have delved into Private Matters that are not for Public Consumption!
Alright bro, and I respect your decision and privacy...However, I do strongly BELIEVE more than anything according to the GOSPEL TRUTH, as found in the HOLY BIBLE, that ONLY: by FAITH(BELIEVE IN CHRIST JESUS) can we be SAVED. And we are SAVED and are called God's CHILDREN ONLY by the power of the SPIRIT in us that we receive ONLY through our UNION with Christ Jesus. Just as you can fine in the following scriptures:

Ephesians 2:8-9
John 3:14-15
John 3:16
John 11:25-26 and many more.

See bro, this is how it works.
we first BELIEVE(FAITH) in the message of the GOSPEL, then we also BELIEVE SINCERELY in our hearts:

that JESUS CHRIST died and was raised by God.

Then, we confess SINCERELY that Christ is LORD(the LORD of everything in heaven, on earth and in the world below).

After this, the SPIRIT automatically comes into us and baptises or marries Himself to our HEARTS(and that's what it means to be in union with CHRIST).

The reason He marries Himself to our HEARTS is so that: we too might share in His DEATH to our HUMAN NATURE(FLESH) as He did to His, on the CROSS. And also enable us to share in His resurrection to a brand NEW LIFE in Christ.

Note at this point that: though, we are freed from the FLESH and have received the nature of CHRIST (HOLY SPIRIT) because we share in the DEATH of CHRIST on the CROSS by that, we still carry our OLD HEARTS. The very one that was married and baptised to the FLESH before this experience. Hence, the reason why we still behave sometimes according to the FLESH(SIN) that we were bornt in and became used to all our lives before our union with Christ. Note also that: the SPIRIT is also underdeveloped (young) in us and needed to be grown into maturity with the WORD of God and by dwelling in His presence, before we can reach SPIRITUAL MATURITY unto the FULLNESS of the perfect image of the status of Christ Jesus. As we grow the SPIRIT in us through the WORD of God, we become fully submerged and PERFECT like Christ Jesus because of the FULLNESS of His SPIRIT in us...Note finally that: while our salvation is an IMMEDIATE experience, our SPIRITUAL GROWTH process is GRADUAL, until we fully become like Christ Jesus...I pray you see this with your SPIRITUAL EYES in Jesus' name. Thanks bro
Christianity EtcRe: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Kingdomtruth: 2:58pm On Apr 12, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:
Yes, I do!
Nice. Lastly, so how did you receive the SPIRIT in you? what and what exactly did you do to receive the GIFT of the SPIRIT?...Thanks
Christianity EtcRe: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Kingdomtruth: 2:43pm On Apr 12, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:
I am saying One lives Righteously ONLY BY Obeying The Laws of God which when done properly and Truthfully, shall further make you Dead to the flesh and in the flesh!
OK. so do you believe in the SPIRIT of God. if yes.
Do you then believe that you have it in you as a Christian or a child of God?
Christianity EtcRe: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Kingdomtruth: 1:19pm On Apr 12, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:
Good morning brother, my days are Good thanks to the Great Goodness of God.

I am male by the way and I am thankful you appreciate my response even if you may have reservations or disagree with it, but I do appreciate it all the same.



The first thing that is should be appreciated is that, First, we are Sinners, born to be sinners, fashioned to be sinners and in fact, the world would not have us any other way Except We Are Sinners, then will they "love" us and "accept" us.

Therefore, how are we not Already Guilty of Sin and liable to the Adverse Judgement of God, if we are Charged before God's Court?

It is a case of, we are guilty as charged! And as a lawyer, I can tell you that A Sinner makes his matter worse in attempting to defend himself for he shall increase the Anger of the Court and Increase the severity of his Judgement, when his D'Fence which is not backed by Law (as Lawyer Paul says "without Law"wink Falls and Fails!

Thus, there is only one good move the sinner can make in Court, which is to play for Mercy!

Now, God knows that and He therefore gave us Mercy on Advance, Before the Court is convened!

And what is this Mercy? The Law of Sin Offering to be undertaken by All Sinners so that we may not be Charged be God's Court or be Found to have had a D'Fence in Law should we be Accused and Charged in Court.

Which is why Lawyer Paul said "that we may found blameless" for it is He who broke no Law, who is blameless!
So, in essence, you are saying that: one can be saved and eventually live in RIGHTEOUSNESS by obeying God without necessarily becoming DEATH to the FLESH? is that your position?
Christianity EtcRe: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Kingdomtruth: 11:22am On Apr 12, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:
The Sacrifice on The Cross is A Provision, As was the Other Earlier Provisions of Unblemished Lamb Both Given Upon the Direction and Instruction of God, in Line with The Law of Holiness which is Connected to The Law of Sin Offering.

For A Sinner can not be Holy and the Holy, has No Sin!

Thus, God Provided A Way by which the Sinner can be made Holy and it is not Allowed for the Holy TO DO ANY WRONG THING, For that is what it means to be Holy!

Therefore, the Sacrifice on the Cross was meant to Cure the Defect and Destruction of the Sacrifice of Lamb Offerings which was because the Sacrificor, the Levites/Priests were also Sinners, for the Sacrifice of A Sinner can not be Acceptable to God, therefore there was none Holy to stand before God on behalf of a Sinner.

Hence, The Lord Came to fill that Broken Gap for us to be Holy.
Good morning brother/sister. Trust you are doing great today.

Thanks for that brilliant response up there...However, I just want to learn in your own understanding, according to the GOSPEL that you BELIEVE; how God provided the way for us who were or are still SINNERS to be made HOLY and how He put to rest, the SACRIFICE of LAMBS since they were not able to make us HOLY as it were. Just the way you posited up there...Thanks my friend
Christianity EtcRe: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Kingdomtruth: 11:52pm On Apr 11, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:
Kai! Brother, I HATE that evil thing and spirit called flesh and I have no tolerance for it. I see it's works every day and how people are seriously labouring under it. And I find it extremely painful that people even think that they ought to carry that evil baggage.

No reasonable person would like to carry Scorpions in their pockets so also no reasonable person would want to be attached to the flesh at all.



Yes, we all can if we wanted to. I can surely show how a person does not really wish to be rid of it, I see everyday playing out in the places where it matters the most but because of gains, wickedness, vengeance and many other things that they know they ought not to do, they discard the Word of God that they know and act in accordance with the flesh.

Eg the fastest and popular one how can a person come out from church where he cried and prayed only to enter his car and start cursing another who has obstructed his way?

Or refuses entry to another vehicle trying to depart from the car park?

Patience and kindness and endurance have immediately been left on the chair in church.

If in this little activities they have failed how shall they be able to resist perversion of Judgement or Adultery?

Then they would blame the flesh! It is not the flesh, it is your own personal desire and goal to accomplish a thing that is culprit, that is YOUR TRUEST HEART'S DESIRE!

It is The Law, "He that can not be trusted with little can not be trusted with much!"



It can and it does! All it takes is little steps. Little drops of water fill the drum. A journey to eternity begins with one step.

Defeat one activity at a time and see if you would not go defeating all the other evils.

Remember The Law is also on "the little", "he that can be trusted with little can be trusted with much!"
Hmmm! please if you don't mind, I'd like to know your understanding about the SACRIFICE of Christ on the CROSS...Thanks
Christianity EtcRe: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Kingdomtruth: 11:47pm On Apr 11, 2021
Thattallgirl:
Not against us but for us. It's only by faith can we please God. And faith is to call those things that are not, as though they are. We believed Jesus that's why we accepted Him as our Lord and Savior. And that's by faith. It's by this same faith we believe we're righteous in Christ and that we've been made perfect in Him
Please don't you ever let-go of this TRUTH...Hold on to it, and it will surely see you through. Praying for more GRACE on you in Jesus' name
Christianity EtcRe: My Sad Experience With Church Minister. Am I right or wrong? by Kingdomtruth: 3:23pm On Apr 11, 2021
MistarT:
Mr viltron, there is more to life than luxury, see if you truly want to fulfil destiny, you have to be strong to face mockery, if men don't mock you God will not make you. In this life whoever God has serious business with, must be taken to the refinery (school of the Holy Spirit) where all negativities are removed to create a man, thoroughly furnished unto good works. God once told me that "Life is not what you think, look at My Son Jesus while He was on earth, He was mocked and ridiculed but look at Him now glorified " Brother pass through this university of shame and graduate once and for all, those kids will make reference to your present day but if you get angry with God and begin to act negatively, God will not be pleased. Remain blessed.
Truer words have never been spoken my brother than this. God bless you and more GRACE I pray
Christianity EtcRe: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Kingdomtruth: 2:46pm On Apr 11, 2021
Thattallgirl:
I completely agree smiley
God help us all I pray
Christianity EtcRe: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Kingdomtruth: 2:41pm On Apr 11, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:
I understand your intentions are good, so no offence taken.

Thus, remember we were very close to this difference in our last discussion which you were not comfortable in proceeding into and I respectfully veered away, so now it has come up yet again.

I do not bypass the finished work of Christ I rather affirm that the work is Indeed Finished!

Then the reasonable question is, What Work? Can they not be identified? Having identified it what are we to do with it? When we do it, what is the True result? Do we have that result?

It is Written "by their Fruit, we shall know them".

It is The Law "A Good Tree Shall and Must Bear Good Fruit and an Evil Tree must and shall bear Evil Fruit".

Your fruit, is inconsistent with the Tree, if Christ is Truly Your Vine!

This is one of my basis for my response because Truth is Always Consistent as 1+1=2 in every nation, in every generation!

I do respectfully object that your 1+1 is not equal to 2 when ye say "our human nature makes us fall" or "we still make mistakes"!

The Law is, we Are Supposed to Be Perfect as our Father in Heaven is.

And we can be, IF WE WANT!

And you throw Righteousness at me as though I have ever claimed to be the Owner or Author of Righteousness, I am not the owner of righteousness, I have Only Righteousness to know that RIGHTEOUSNESS ALWAYS MEANS RIGHTNESS AND GOODNESS WITHOUT DEVIATION OR VARIATION!

Knowing this, I therefore knew that Righteousness is Doable, all that it requires is Exactly as the hymn says "To know the Right to do". Let me find the hymn!
Laughing! @ " OWNER OR AUTHOR OF RIGHTEOUSNESS"...So, I think we can talk about this once again, at least, just to set the record straight about the GOSPEL TRUTH we share.

You see my friend, I think you should know more about the FLESH. In your previous comment with the OP that I quoted, you spoke of it as if it was something you could just get rid of, if you wanted. As if disciplining or controlling your mind to obey God's commandments can achieve that either. This is the very point I stand against in line with the word of God...My friend, you need to know, that this FLESH( sinful nature or human nature) is not something you can conquer on your own. If any body could do that on their own, then, there was no point/need for Christ coming. He came, in order to conquer/defeat the FLESH in us by nailing it to the CROSS. So that: you and I, can now bear good fruit to God in HOLINESS/RIGHTEOUSNESS the right and proper way God wants of us through our union with CHRIST JESUS.

ABOUT THE FLESH...This FLESH, is an EVIL SPIRIT, the very EVIL SPIRIT of the DEVIL, that is controlling you and every other human being to SIN and OPPOSE God. This EVIL SPIRIT/POWER, is more powerful than you and no any human activity can set you free from Him. The only remedy is DEATH...Just as in the law of marriage that: a woman is legally joint in marriage together with her husband only until DEATH do them part...Meaning in the EYES of GOD, a couple remain ONE with each other and cannot separate until DEATH...In the same way, we were to live together with the FLESH(DEVIL controlling us to SIN against God) until we die. But if anyone, dies with that EVIL SPIRIT in him, such a person will not see the 'kingdom of God'. Reason why God sent Christ to come and conquer that EVIL SPIRIT in us through his DEATH on the cross, so that you and I can be free to serve God the right way...Anything other than this, is a FRUITLESS EFFORT. I tell you my friend, NO ONE and NOTHING can ever separate you from that FLESH...Meaning you can't handle SIN or manage it on your own without Christ...Because it was His death that set us FREE and took away the FLESH in us...I HOPE THIS IS GOOD ENOUGH?...Thanks
Christianity EtcRe: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Kingdomtruth: 12:46pm On Apr 11, 2021
Thattallgirl:
I believe we can't. God's love transforms us from the inside out and even at that, due to our human nature, we still fail. But the Lord is right there to pick us up whenever.
Good afternoon the TALLEST ONE. Your post was so apt and on point base on the GOSPEL TRUTH. However, I want you to know that: it's possible to live in God's kind of righteousness and become perfect at it...But understand that: no one can do it by their HUMAN POWER, STRENGTH OR WISDOM. When you try to use your power, strength or wisdom, you will fall FLAT and will continue to do so until the enemy completely destroys you. Like I said, it is possible but ONLY by the power of the SPIRIT that continues to transform us from one degree of GLORY unto another, until we are made complete and perfect unto the IMAGE and LIKENESS of CHRIST JESUS. We will always fall 'spiritual babies' because of the weakness of the FLESH. But the SPIRIT, will continue to change us until we are completely made PERFECT and mature in Christ Jesus with time.It is all about the SPIRIT my friend...God bless you and do have a great day ahead.Thanks
Christianity EtcRe: The Love For God VS The Love Of God by Kingdomtruth: 12:29pm On Apr 11, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:
You have Spoken the words of Truth at the highlighted, yet you still make errors.

Do you not appreciate that man is a "Soul" (Unseen hence spirit) only wearing clothes called skin or flesh?

Thus, you make the mistake of thinking and allowing your clothes to control you rather than you, Your True spirit you, controlling your clothes Exactly as allowing your hair, dresses, earrings, rings, shoes to control you, which you know every reasonable person has condemned already saying 'how can my car have power over me or my phone, shoes, watch etc?"

So also does your flesh not have power to rule over you, if you do not want it too.

Which is why I laid down that Abimelech, Abraham, Job, Joseph, etc achieved it and they were human too on this same world and hence as the Bible has forewarned, As Usual, "We are without Excuse and and D'fence!"

We can stop making mistakes if we truly do not want to, for we have done it even over things that do not give us Life eg Dressing, Clubbing, Gluttony, Greed.

How much more then shall we not be able to overcome the things which prevent us from Acquiring Life and the Completion of the Perfect Love of God?
Good afternoon brother/sister.

You are really mixing up the GOSPEL TRUTH, hence, your argument is starkly against the truth... Your problem is that: you seem to think that you can BYE PASS the FINISHED WORKS of Christ Jesus on the CROSS, and by your HUMAN STRENGTH, WISDOM AND POWER you can serve God. Forgetting however, that true power, is found only in CHRIST JESUS. please know this and know it for good, that whatever you do, by your human strength and power, is nothing but a filthy rag before God(SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS). Without the HOLY SPIRIT in us through Christ Jesus, we are all death and no one can do anything or function without Christ.

Just hope I didn't come too hard on you. If I did however, I'm so sorry as it is not intended...I only wished there was a better way to convey my message...Thanks and God bless you
Christianity EtcRe: The One God Will Use. by Kingdomtruth: 12:00pm On Apr 11, 2021
AbundantLife05:
ABUNDANT LIFE VISION
THE ONE GOD WILL USE. 2Tim 2:20-21
“20. In a wealthy home some utensils are made of gold and silver, and some are made of wood and clay. The expensive utensils are used for special occasions, and the cheap ones are for everyday use 21. If you keep yourself pure, you will be a special utensil for honorable use. Your life will be clean, and you will be ready for the Master to use you for every good work” (NLT)

Dear friends, I greet you in the name of the Lord this morning. I pray that we will live to experience the goodness of God all through our lives in Jesus name. Today, we want to talk about; “The one God will use”. This teaching will be divided into two parts, we will consider the first part today and continue next week.

Dear brothers and sisters, let me tell you that God is an investor, Matthew 25:14-15 “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like this. Once there was a man who was about to go on a journey; he called his servants and put them in charge of his property. He gave each one according to his ability: to one he gave 5,000 gold coins, to another he gave 2,000 and to another he gave 1,000. Then he left on his journey” (Good News). God has a lot of resources at his disposal and in his mercy, he gives these resources out to his children for increase. Also, God is rewarder. Hebrews 11:6 “But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.” (KJV). Our God rewards those who work well with the resources he has given them when they come with huge profits as seen in verses 20-27 of Matthew 25. However, he frowns at anyone who fails to bring in profit.

In the same vein, God is on a long journey and He is coming back. Let me explain myself so that I do not preach heresy or confuse you. You see in Matthew 25:14 that we read earlier, Jesus presented himself as a man who gave his servants money before he went on a journey and in John 14:2 he said; “There are many rooms in my Father’s house and I am going to prepare a place for you. I would not tell you this if it were not so”. Here, he promised us that he was going to prepare rooms for us with his father in heaven which was confirmed in Acts 1:9 as he was taken up to heaven in front of his disciples. Therefore, this is the reason why I said he is on a long journey and we know he is coming back as Rev 22:12 says “And behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.” (KJV). God is coming back from his “journey” to see the progress we have made with his investment and to reward us adequately.

Furthermore, God as a good investor is always on the lookout for people who can adequately manage his resources with great output. Acts 13:2 “One day as these men were worshipping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Dedicate Barnabas and Saul for the special work to which I have called them.” (NLT). We can see that God called out Barnabas and Paul for the special work he wanted to use them for because he knew they would bring in great yield. Therefore, the next thing we will consider having understood that God is an investor who wants great yield is; who will God use? God will use those with the following attributes;

1. God will use the one that has answered his call. Rev 3:20 “Look! I stand at the door and knock. If you hear my voice and open the door, I will come in, and we will share a meal together as friends.” (NLT). Through the death and resurrection of Jesus, God has put out a call to everyone because Jesus died for all. If you accept his invitation and submit your life to him, you automatically have a call and become an instrument in the hands of God for his work.

2. The one who listens and obeys God. John 10:27 “My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.” (NLT). God will use anyone who listens to him. Anyone who seeks to hear from God before taking any step and most importantly, the one that obeys what God is asking him or her to do, not minding how difficult it is will be used by God.

3. The one who is passionate about the spread of the gospel. 1 Cor 9: 22-23 “When I am with those who are weak, I share their weakness, for I want to bring the weak to Christ. Yes, I try to find common ground with everyone, doing everything I can to save some. 23. I do everything to spread the Good News and share in its blessings.” Here, we see the passion of Apostle Paul by doing all he could as a human to get people to listen to the word of God and bring them to Christ.

4. The one that has faith and pray and fast. Matthew 17:21 “But this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.” (Amplified). Another criterion of being used by God is being a man or woman of faith. Someone who knows that with God all things are possible and someone who goes to God every time in prayer and fasting in order to get plugged to the power of God without getting tired. Luke 18:1.

5. The one ready to die to sin. Rom 8:13 “For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.” (KJV). Anyone who belongs to God and shuns the flesh and its deeds by living in the Spirit presents his or her life to God as a living sacrifice Romans 12:1 will be used by God.

6. The grateful one. 1 Thessalonians 5:18 “Be thankful in all circumstances, for this is God’s will for you who belong to Christ Jesus.” (NLT). The one that will work for God is one that gives praise to God at all times. S/he does not take the glory of what God is doing through them, neither do they fail to acknowledge God in all situations whether good or bad.

7. The disciplined one. 1 Cor 9:27 “I discipline my body like an athlete, training it to do what it should. Otherwise, I fear that after preaching to others I myself be disqualified.” (NLT). This is an important aspect of being used by God. Based on the little that I know, God will not use a reckless man, anyone that God does not trust cannot handle huge tasks for him. Everyone striving to be used by God must be disciplined in their thoughts, actions, way of dressing and in their service to God in general. They must be willing to bend to he will of God at all times and never entertain sin in their lives.

Dear friends, we will stop the first part of the teaching here and continue next week by the grace of our gracious God if he tarries. Happy Sunday and have a wonderful week.
Thanks a lot for this...God bless you.
Christianity EtcRe: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Kingdomtruth(op): 7:17pm On Apr 08, 2021
elated177:
Actually, I understood your intentions the moment I read only a few lines of your OP. I only decided to question you for the benefit of the genuine seekers.

You are not going to deter me with that pattern of posting.
Hmmm, SMILES! Just tell me you are joking already.

Well, no matter the pain: it's always a pleasure to share the GOSPEL TRUTH about CHRIST.....Stay bless always and do take care of yourself bro.
Christianity EtcRe: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Kingdomtruth(op): 2:52pm On Apr 08, 2021
elated177:
Good afternoon bro.


What did the written document say? And how does what it says different from what is written in your heart? What is written in your heart? What did the written document intend to achieve?

The main differences between the WRITTEN LAW and the SPIRIT, are:
1) The former lacks power while the latter is powerful.
2) The former as the name implies is a written document handed down by an angel to Moses, while the latter is a SPIRIT handed down by God Himself directly to us.

And they both intend to achieve RIGHTEOUSNESS. But, the former was unable to achieve it for lack of power, while the latter achieved it for TOO MUCH POWER.

What is the intention of what is written in your heart? In other words, the thing written in your heart, what does it want to achieve?

You repeated. this question above and i just answered you.

How can you be freed from the Law and still have the Law in your heart?

By not depending on the WRITTEN LAW as our means of salvation like most of the ISRAELITES do today, there by rejecting Christ. And by accepting Christ as our means of salvation. As you accept Christ, the SPIRIT baptizes your heart, thereby dwelling in you.

What are the "old ways of the written Law"?

The entire WRITTEN LAW is the OLD WAY, with all its binding rules of ritual offerings, sacrifices of goats and bulls, offering sacrifes every day for sin and staying away from adultry, fornication, stealing, worship of idols by your own strength without the GRACE of God that is ONLY found in CHRIST JESUS.


You, kingdomtruth, said:


And I asked you to throw more light on that assertion. How does sin evolve? There is a a dangerous subtle message you are trying to pass here. Only the Spirt-led individual, like me, will decipher it. Isaiah 8:19-20 comes to mind.

SIN evolves because the DEVIL/SATAN changes his ways and tricks of deceiving people through the power of FLESH over time.



How does the Holy Spirit change? What was sin before the Christ came? What is sin today, after the first coming of the Messiah?

The SPIRIT in you CONVICTS you, to let you know that this particular thing you are about to indulge in, is a SIN, hence, you should stop and it actually gives you the POWER to say NO and help you STOP... The producer of SIN in every body is the same and it's the DEVIL... Though, he manifests differently in every body.


You have said that the Holy Spirit changes as sin changes. How does the Holy Spirit change? Give some examples, whether Scriptural or otherwise.

EXAMPLE: Years before now, women didn't indulge in liposuction surgery( or whatever is called) to enhance the TEMPLE OF GOD(THEIR BODIES) that human bodies represent...But tody, they do that for beautification and human approval. Whether they do it consciously or sub-consciously, that's a SIN. But this however, was not the case so many years ago....The consciousness of this change in women to satisfy their desires and appetites for SIN, was brought about and revealed by the presence of the SPIRIT in BELIEVERS. And this type of sin, was not in the LAW.

How does the Holy Spirit oppose the written Law? Give some ways in which the Holy Spirit opposed/opposes the written Law.

While the WRITTEN LAW remains the same forever and ever, the SPIRIT in you, reveals what is SIN as at today, as sin evolves too...Just as in the example cited above.

I want you to state unequivocally here, if by the written Law, you also mean the Ten Commandments. If you mean the Ten Commandments as well, mention what the Holy Spirit has told you or is telling you today about sin that the Ten Commandments did not say about sin yesterday.

Bro, i think the problem here is that: You try to seperate the Ten(10) commandments from the 613 LAWS. They are all the same. Giving to Moses, by the same one and only living God, on the same mount sinai. So, i really do not know what you mean by that...And for the example you seek for here, again I refer to the very one given above, the one about women's surgery...That should suffice here.

What were the old ways of the written laws? Mention some the written laws you have been going on and on about.

Everything about the WRITTEN LAW is the OLD WAY, the NEW WAY, is CHRIST JESUS by the POWER of the SPIRIT.

What is the Scriptural definition of sin, kingdomtruth? The Scriptures defined sin, didn't they?

Galatians 5:19-21...And i remember ellucidating on that yesterday... Please go back to my comment yesterday or profile and see more on that please.

How could one be FREED from the Law and still have the Law written his/ her heart?


I just explained this up there...So, just swipe up please.

What is the work of the Holy Spirit?

To teach you, direct you, instruct you and guide you into the word of TRUTH (THE GOSPEL).

What is righteousness?

RIGHTEOUSNESS, if LIFE in CHRIST by GRACE through FAITH.


It will take only the saint, servant or messenger of Yahushua the Messiah like me, Elated177, who is filled with the Set-apart Spirit of Yahushua the Messiah, the Spirit of Truth, with the Sword of the Spirit of YHVH ALMIGHTY in my hand and in my mouth, my shield of faith in place, my breastplate of righteousness, my belt of truth, my helmet of salvation and my ever- ready boot of evangelism, to decipher the errors that your message is trying to disseminate.
I JUST HOPE I'VE ANSWERED AND YOU UNDERSTOOD ACCORDINGLY... Stay bless brother.
Christianity EtcRe: Simple Definition Of Sin, Lawlessness And Evil by Kingdomtruth: 10:11am On Apr 08, 2021
OpenYourEyes1:
To go against the commandments/law of the CREATOR(GOD) of Heaven and Earth.
His Commandments is simple, Love GOD and people. If you truely love GOD, you will avoid doing things that displeases HIM, things like not believing in HIS Son JESUS. You can't please GOD if you don't believe in JESUS. If you believe in JESUS, you will keep HIS words... you have to be a born-again to be able to keep HIS words and do GOD's will always. Once you become a born-again, the Spirit of GOD will dwell in you and use you to do what pleases GOD always. So you can't please GOD by your own self/power, it's GOD that will help you do this through HIS Spirit, and through our LORD JESUS.


It's Important to note that GOD's Commandments is above human laws. HE is our CREATOR, we must be guided by his Commandments. Any law contrary to GOD's law is evil law. Only good laws are to be obeyed, GOD's law is good.
This simple yet very rich in truth...Thanks and God bless you
Christianity EtcRe: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Kingdomtruth(op): 8:33pm On Apr 07, 2021
elated177:
Instead of you to answer the questions asked, you resorted to meaningless rants.


As far as the Moral Laws of YHVH ALMIGHTY are concerned, there is no flexibility.




Forget that line of reasoning. The Scriptures have been given and sealed. There is nothing more to add and nothing to remove. The saints, servants and messengers of Yahushua the Messiah should pray for, as far as the Scriptures are concerned, the Power to understand what the Father in heaven wants to relate to us through them. After that, the Power to obey what has been instructed. Whatever explanation anyone brings that is not in line with the basic intention of the Scriptures, must be jettisoned.

Do well to answer the questions asked of you.


Isaiah 8:19 When someone tells you to consult mediums and spiritists, who whisper and mutter, should not a people inquire of their God? Why consult the dead on behalf of the living? 20 Consult God’s instruction and the testimony of warning. If anyone does not speak according to this word, they have no light of dawn.
Hi bro, first off, it's funny you think that all the things I wrote up there are mere jumbling of words. If you were 'well read' and deep in the scripture by the GRACE of God, you would've known that all the things I wrote up there are not my words nor philosophy of mine, but scriptural with more explanation; at least to those that may not understand the scripture directly. Because I reckoned that: not everyone can understand the scripture without that veil of sin lifted off there eyes.

Do well to answer the questions asked of you.

I will only answer these questions again for the last time.

You asked two(2) main questions in your previous comment. They are:

1) The biblical definition of sin.

2)How can one forget the written LAW and then have it in his heart again?

I deliberately ignore them all, because I've already answered them for the umpteenth time. Both in the body of this post and in my comments as well. However, for the last time, this is what I mean:

1) The biblical definition of sin.

I told you that: SIN, is not a particular activity or group of activities alone. I also said: it is a way of life(a lifestyle). Meaning, you cannot tie it to a particular activity(ies) as it changes over time. And I gave you an example that: there are things that constitute sin today, that were never known as SINS say, 10-20 years ago. In the same way, there are things/activities that shall become sin 10-20 years from now that you and I are yet to know. Just as I cannot predict your next line of actions, so also you cannot predict the producer of such SINS which is the devil. I told you also that: in summary, you can define sin as the lifestyle of the enemy(devil).

I WOULD LIKE YOU TO SEE THIS TO BUTTRESS MY POINT.

See that, even the scripture has not exhausted the definition of sin...Let's go to Galatians 5:19-21. It says and I quote: I'm using good news translation.: "what the HUMAN NATURE(FLESH/SIN)does is quite plain. It shows itself in immoral,filthy, and indecent actions;20, in worship of idols and witchcraft. People become enemies and they fight; they become jealous, angry and ambitious. They separate into parties and groups; 21, they are envious , get drunk, have orgies, and do other things like these. I warn you now as I have before: those who do these things will not possess the kingdom of God. That is it bro. I hope you now have what you've been crying for.

But, I want to draw your attention to verse 21, the last sentence after the conjunction AND says:...... AND DO OTHER THINGS LIKE THESE. I hope you can see what the scripture is telling you there. It means just like I said above, that the list is endless and you can't tie the activity of the FLESH to a particular activity(ies) as it changes from time to time far into the future. I JUST HOPE YOU NOW UNDERSTAND ME HERE!

2)How can one forget the written LAW and then have it in his heart again?

Don't forget to understand that the HOLY SPIRIT is everything we need to live in RIGHTEOUSNESS the way God wants us to.

Back there in the body of this post, I said that: Though the LAW is HOLY because the GLORY of God descended on it and made it HOLY, but that's not the case with us . Because we were controlled and ruled by FLESH(SIN) before Christ came with the SPIRIT. Meaning, we were all sinners and lacked the power to obey the LAW no matter how hard we tried. WHY?, because the FLESH(SIN) that was ruling us, wouldn't allow us to obey the LAW since the LAW was HOLY but as flesh and blood we were not HOLY before Christ came...And you know that you can't have SIN and HOLINESS in the same sentence except for the purpose of emphasis...That was why the LAW was brought to and END since it lacked the power to help us obey it, that was why it came to an END so that we can have the HOLY SPIRIT ENGRAVED in our hearts through our union with Christ Jesus. With the HOLY SPIRIT however, we now possess the POWER to satisfy the righteous/ holy demands of the ever changing LAW of God due to the changing nature of the FLESH. That's why the scripture says in Romans,: that we no longer live according to the old ways of the WRITTEN LAW, but in the NEW ways of the SPIRIT...I ALSO HOPE YOU CATCH THE POINT HERE...Thanks brodaman
Christianity EtcRe: The Only Way To Be Righteous And Saved by Kingdomtruth(op): 6:28pm On Apr 07, 2021
elated177:
What deeper explanation? I asked that question based on the issues your assertions raised.

I know who the Yahushua the Messiah is and his relationship with the Father.
Alright then. Good to know that you know that.
Christianity EtcRe: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Kingdomtruth(op): 2:15pm On Apr 07, 2021
elated177:
Do you mean the Ten Commandments? Why don't you want to use the Ten Commandments?

You mentioned Mount Sinai earlier. How many Laws did YHVH ALMIGHTY write on two stone tablets and give to Moshe/Mosha/Moses on Mount Sinai? Most of the 613 laws, commandments, statutes and decrees are no longer necessary today. Some of those Laws ended with the coming of Yahushua the Messiah and the subsequent destruction of the temple. The sacrificial and burnt offering laws equally ended with the coming of the Messiah and the subsequent destruction of the temple. The Levitical Law and the tithe Laws associated with it, also ended with the coming of the Messiah.

The Ten Commandments, which constitute the moral laws, written by the finger of YHVH ALMIGHTY himself on two stone tablets and given to Mosha remain for ever.


It would seem you have said something, but the opposite is the case. You only ended up dancing around what was asked of you. This is what happens when people just lift the words of the Scripture and jumble them up without actually understanding what they are trying to relate. In the same breath you said the Law ended immediately it revealed what sin was and that it had been put in our hearts? Which is it?



Again, to the unwary, it would seem you have said something Scriptural, with the dribbling and dancing to and fro, but the opposite is the case.

So sin evolves, huh? You need to state plainly and unequivocally what you mean by this assertion:

Throw more light on this:

Expatiate on this assertion:

Explain this assertion a little more:



You failed to give the Scriptural definition of sin. Sin has been defined in the Scripture. Are you saying that sin is not an activity? Are you saying that an act which is sin today may not be sin tomorrow?


Actually, I understood you clearly. I grasped the message, albeit sublte, you are trying to disseminate with this your line of reasoning.

Kingdomtruth, define sin. What is sin, kingdomtruth?

Freed from the Law? Again, you mean the Ten Commandments, right?


What did the written document say? And how does what it says different from what is written in your heart? What is written in your heart? What did the written document intend to achieve?

What is the intention of what is written in your heart? In other words, the thing written in your heart, what does it want to achieve?

How can you be freed from the Law and still have the Law in your heart?

What are the "old ways of the written Law"?



Actually, you didn't explain anything. On one hand, you said that you were freed from the Law. On the other hand, you said you had the law in your heart. How could you be freed from the Law and still have it in your heart?
Bro, I'd just advise that you try to be more flexible please in life. Do not always be 'strong willed' on the things that you do not properly understand. No one knows everything. Even the ones we think we know, sometime turns out to be that we don't really know much about them. Being very fixated or mechanical sometimes on things we think we know, prove to be very injurious in the long run. I do not try to prove that I know better either. But do understand that people have different GRACES, so becoming flexible is actual for our own good as that would help us to tap from the different GRACES that abound around us...You always talk about jumbling of words that one does not understand. How about if you make research on those things you feel are NEW to you, that you tagged 'JUMBLING OF WORDS'. Afterall, isn't that the NEW LIFE we've been called, to be conformed with in the image and likeness of Christ?

Lastly, if the APOSTLES and the PROPHETS who received various SPIRITUAL revelations of the word of God by GRACE, had decided to put it down just the way they received it without further explanation, do you think you would read the scripture and understand a LICK of it? I advise that you be more flexible to information, however, if you are so sure that what you BELIEVE in is the GOSPEL TRUTH, then stand by it brother; as it is the only thing that will set you FREE...John 8:32...Please do well to check my profile and see most of my write-ups' there. They directly answer most of the issues you've raised up there especially about sin... Stay well bro and God bless you.
Christianity EtcRe: The Only Way To Be Righteous And Saved by Kingdomtruth(op): 1:31pm On Apr 07, 2021
elated177:
Is Yahushua the Messiah (who you call Jesus Christ) God?
Good afternoon to you brother.

It's clear you need a deeper explanation to this. Here you have it.
We have God the Father, God the son and God the holy spirit.

God the father is a spirit. And there are seven(7) complete spirits of God.

The very word that God speaks as a spirit carries POWER, and these are called the seven spirits of God.It is this word that has been document and written in paper form and we call it BIBLE. Just as you are the words you speak. That's how God is to His words; but in His case, His words carry power called HOLY SPIRIT

Then, there are two(2) worlds again. The HEAVEN and the EARTH. The inhabitants of HEAVEN, have a different type of body called the spiritual body. Where as, the inhabitants of EARTH, have yet another type of body called the physical body. The type you and I have.

Having set the background for you, now to answer your question directly: God the Father created a BODY with a heart(mind) independent of God Himself just like that of human being and called it SPIRITUAL BODY. It is in this SPIRITUAL BODY that God put ( His SPIRIT/WORD) in order to dwell in. Then, He calls it His son(CHRIST JESUS) I.e (God the son)...So yes,God the father is the same as God the son in a body and an independent heart that are bound by the same SPIRIT, which is the SPIRIT of God...Just like you GENETICALLY came from your father, that's how it is with God the father and God the son...Thanks brodaman
Christianity EtcRe: The Purpose Of The Law And God's Promise by Kingdomtruth(op): 9:33pm On Apr 06, 2021
Dtruthspeaker:
Stay well and May God Show you His way
Show me Your way That I may walk with You Show me Your way I put my hope in You
The cry of my heart Is to love You more To live with the Touch of Your hand Stronger each day Show me Your way

By Hillsong
Amen
Christianity EtcRe: The Only Way To Be Righteous And Saved by Kingdomtruth(op): 9:12pm On Apr 06, 2021
Kobojunkie:
I admit? ... I never denied this, to begin with, since I made it clear to you even from a previous post that one first has to prove worthy of Jesus Christ before receiving the very Spirit of God, just as Jesus Christ Himself declared several times throughout the Gospel. Jesus Himself declared that one first has to believe in order to be saved... meaning only those who believe will be saved from Death. undecided

In fact, one first would need to receive the Spirit of Truth before receiving the second Helper, the Spirit of God, and this again, according to Jesus Christ.
According to Jesus Christ, there are two Spirits - His Spirit(Spirit of Truth) and the "another Helper", the Spirit of God the Father. undecided
since I made it clear to you even from a previous post that one first has to prove worthy of Jesus Christ before receiving the very Spirit of God, just as Jesus Christ

WORTHY? Smiles! It's alright...Thanks for your time. God bless you

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