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TAO11:
LMAO! I know exact when I knock down a Bini urchin with my intellectual lorry.

Even their pseudo-intelligent comments cease.

Peace!

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Ya intellectuals lorry loads of OGANE WEED

TAO11:
How does this relate to the current discourse?

This must be PTSD from yesterday.


You’ve started with fake links, abi?

See attached sha.

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When one is an Alhaji answering to the SONs of Mohammed

OLOKUN175:
The dictionary is in line, the second name for the "Ooni at Ile Ife" It is a Benin word for the god of Ife, not as a suzerain over her but as a suzerain over his people. The word we have for him is Oghene'n'uhe not Oghene. Peace! Just we have Osa' N'egor. You have already used such term before in your previous argument and it is in several letters of the Oba of Benin Eredieuwa. If you continue to be delusional, those reading are not, not you that have never stepped a foot on Bini land. You that grew up in Oshogbo, went to Oau, went back to Oshogbo for Job, got married in Oshogbo. The furthest you have stepped out of Oshogbo is Ogbomosho should not talk when Others are talking, your knowledge on worldview is so limited

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Okokobioko......non of her papers, research or works will go beyond INTRODUCTION outside of OAU the headquarters of Ogane weed smokers

TAO11:
Sane people do computations with numbers.

Spiritual? May be.

The Ooni have not only imperial ascendancy over your kingdom, he also have spiritual ascendancy over it.

Peace!

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https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/08/i-remain-king-head-of-yoruba-nation-alaafin/..


I see you have resumed your Ogane WEED

vibre:
I stand firmly behind Oba/Emir/Oluwo of Iwo, Oba Abdulrasheed as the leader of the Yoruba nation. We won't accept any other leader except the highly respected Oluwo!

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Abdulrasheed....is that a Yoruba name?

TAO11:
No, you’re not an authority on Bini language, sweety. A linguist of Bini language is.

And one of such linguist is Hans Melzian. So, see the attached again for where he pointed out the fact that the Bini word “oghene” has more than one meaning, one of which is the name Ooni. He didn’t have to add “n-Uhe” to the “oghene” in order to realize this.

Have you noticed that when history points out stuffs ‘good’ about Benin, you all accept it?

But when history point out what appears to you all to be embarrassing (even though it’s coming from same historical & linguistic authorities), you cry persecution.

In other words, the whole world is somehow against you to catch you. LMAO!

Is this observed trend the result of some PTSD, or is this simply the result of paranoid personality disorder?

You all may have to book an appointment as a whole ethnic group with some psychiatrist.

Or you all may just simply grow up, to accept the fact that life happens and certain things already happened in the past which present emotions can’t change.

Your dictionary of Bini language was written by Hans Melzian, with Bini informants in critical instances, and published in far away London.

The whole world is not out to catch you. The same folks who point out what you feel are lows about are those who also pointed out some of your [little] highs.

Peace!

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So Hans Melzian writing needs no SPIRITUAL LOGIC and Mathematical calculation interpretation but the writtings of Joao Alfonso D'Avireos needs all the above calculation

macof:
there are only 2 details that make us know that João Afonso d'Aveiro was not making it up

1. He mentions a recognisable name
2. He describes the shape of one of the gifts (the brass Cross) which has been seen on Benin art depictions and Ife excavation

Every other thing is secondary compared to these two

So if I were you, I would do well to take name drops seriously

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Really...
I will like to know from you if 1. Joao Afonso d'Aveiro mentioned any said location and
2. was he the only persons that mentioned a * RECONIZABLE name and GIFTS depicting Benin Ife cross symbol up until 1895

rhektor:
What is this trash again? How many times would y'all repeat this nonsense on nairaland?

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Who are you? I bet must be from Ogbomosho or Tinubus paternal village

TAO11:
This one has no clue what’s going on. Lol. By the way, Ryder was arguing in your favour.

But his arguments have been respectfully set aside by the consensus of historical scholarship in the world today — due to major howlers.

FYI: There is no ongoing debate today (among experts the world over) on the identity of the Ogané. The Ogané has been unanimously identified today by scholars as the Ooni of Ife.

And there are no historical research in Nigeria in the 1800s. There is no university then sef. Traders, et al. who visited are not historians.

They only collected & gathered statements from the locals. And the statements they gathered from locals are only recently being examined in modern times by historians all over the world.

Peace!

Scholars will come and teach me my history, scholars ni scholars ko!

I am focusing on him with open mind, you don't have to be vindictive and negative all the time

MaxInDHouse:
So you agree that Egypt, Iran and Iraq were the first four world powers shey?
Well they're now claiming Arabic speaking countries and they're using Islam as a means to recover what they lost!

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I like your views and I really see where you are driving at
The above was just for clarification sake

TAO11:
Make Sure to Read Every Single Word:

I find that there is a huge gap between you and those from Benin on here. Why is that so? Anyways, I would carry on because you get what I’m saying. Lol.

But before proceeding to address each question you raised, I would point out that the journal you read on jstor is Ryder(1965). I have also read it — many times.

As at the date of his publication, Ryder buttresses his case also with some iconographic arguments.

However such arguments, are by their very nature a tentative one — that is, they fall once subsequent finds turn up whatever wasn’t available to him at the time of his writing.

In any case, your approach (which even you may not have noticed) has been that if A.F.C. Ryder provides an information on finds (even without any photos as there are no photos in the article), then such finds, in your judgement, must be true based on his scholarly and academic integrity. And I agree with that for any scholar and scholarly peer-reviewed work.

But your inconsistency is that if others like (R. Horton, F. Willett, S. P. Blier, etc.) all say that, since 1967, there have been certain finds from Ife, then such — to you — is probably not true unless you see a photo.

At this juncture, you must have gotten the point I am making about inconsistency. You should actually fix that going forward.

In any case, if you had asked for photos just for the sake of photos (to please the eyes, etc. rather than as the evidence in and of itself), that would have been a separate story. Anyways, I have been able to lay my hands on some of such photos. Now to the actual points raised.


Like I noted earlier, the presence of cross symbols in Ife art is NOT fundamental to the identification of the Ogane as Ooni. Why? Because their dispatch was not from Benin to Ife, but the other way round.

However, I agree that the knowledge of such symbols in Ife would bolster the evidence on ground for Ooni as the Ogané — but its absence does not undermine it in any way. I hope you get this.

However, we read from Robin Horton’s work as cited earlier that “we now have several examples of the Maltese-cross symbols on terracotta materials excavated at Ife.*”

And Robin Horton cited the works in which the finds have turned up, viz. Frank Willett’s “New Light on the Ife-Benin Relationship,” African Forum, Vol. 3, No. 4/ Vol. 4, No. 1, 1970., etc.

But for the sake of pleasing your eyes, one of such is attached in the 1st screenshot below. This can be seen in page 183 of Suzanne. P. Blier’s “Art and Risk in Ancient Yoruba (2015)”.

Your suggestion here is based purely on your subjective inclination. It is not rooted in any objectivity whatsoever, and I would explain why.

If you turn your pages of Ryder’s article to p.27., you would find that based on traditional informants it took an average of 5 months for people — in the past — to journey from Uromi in Ishan to Benin city over a course of some 50 miles.

With such information, you must then pause & reason that their trekking convention must thus have been different from whatever you’re imagining at the time of typing that comment.

So, if you start with this traditional information about an Uromi-Benin trip (which as expected incorporates traditional trekking conventions), you will necessarily reach the inevitable conclusion of roughly 20 moons for a Benin-Ife trip.

So, do the Math yourself. Uromi-Ishan and Benin-Ife can not both be a 5 months journey traditionally.

Moreover, the footnote 10 of that same article you read shows the result of a relatively modern-day interview conducted with the Binis by Bradbury during his field-work.

And what they remember of any such ancient trip to Ife as passed down to them by traditions is that it took some 3 years round trip.

Here we have another separate confirmation (a direct one at that) for the timespan mentioned in the source material vis-a-via the Ogané.

No, the article doesn’t say anywhere that they were given cat whisker markings after visiting.

Before clarifying what the article says, I should clarify that there is no mention of cat-whisker at all in any of the source materials we’re looking at (e.g. the one you posted which is the ‘only’ detailed one).

Now, Ryder was simply suggesting (a very logical one) that the messengers to the Ogane from Benin must have been people with the cat’s whisker marks.

His reason for this suggestion makes sense, however he then on the basis of this said that messengers from the Ogane to Benin may have had such marks too. He had no evidence for this second part.

In any case, whether or whether not the messengers from Benin had cat’s whisker marks as suggested by Ryder, that the messengers are from Benin isn’t to be debated. The primary source is clear on that.

As such, his search for such check marks in Ife arts is NOT fundamental to the identification of the Ogane as Ooni whatsoever. The messengers aren’t said to be from Ife.

However, I would readily agree that the knowledge of such marks in classical Ife would bolster the evidence on ground for Ooni as the Ogané — but its absence does not undermine it in any way. I hope you get this.

More so, we read from R. Horton’s work cited earlier that “Again, we now have several examples of the “cat’s-whisker” facial mark on terracotta heads excavated at “classical” Ife sites. And the presence of this mark vitiates yet another [of Ryder’s] argument.*”

And Robin Horton cited the works in which the finds have turned up, viz. Frank Willett’s Ife in the History of West African Sculpture, London 1967., etc.

But for the sake of pleasing your eyes, two of such are attached in the 2nd and 3rd screenshots below.

These can be seen in page 80 of Blier’s “Art in Ancient Ife (2012)”; & page 262 of her “Art and Risk in Ancient Yoruba (2015)” respectively, etc.


A.F.C. Ryder’s tentative statement has been set aside by finds that came to light as seen in the attached.

I understand, and your questions have been answered.

In any case, look again at each of the details given in the primary source and ask (in the light of the evidence here and on page 1) where all (not one/two) is met simultaneously.

Only in Ife and its king, the Ọɣọni (Ọghẹnẹ in Bini from where the Portuguese transcribed as Ogané).

Peace!

Cc: Blakjewelry, macof

This week I will focus specially on this Ryder of a guy and his works and while most of your references are from the the period of 1950 to present

macof:
Lol

So your justification is base on name similarities.....

MaxInDHouse:
(1) Egypt
(2) Assyria (Southern Iran)
(3) Babylon (Iraq)
(4) Medo-Persia (Orientals with Northern Iran)

These are the first four world powers who are fighting to have the power back, Saudi Arabia is the cradle of Islam but Saudi is peaceful. WHY? Because Saudi Arabia never ruled the world at any point in human history so they are just watching to see how it goes while those fighting for world dominance are using Islam to recruit more hands!

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Arabs or their ancestors have NEVER rule the world, Ancient Egyptian had nothing to do with Arabs, the early kings of Assyria invaded the pre- Arab state what we now call Saudi Arabia.
Babylonians and Persians all existed side by side with the vast dessert land of different tribes what is now know as Saudi Arabia the land of the Arabs
Egypt and vast area Iraq had Arabs displacing the original population courtesy Islamic conquest while the Persian though Islamic still remain their identity.
Arabs long existed as distinct people from the early Egyptians, Babylonians, Assyrians and Persians.
The Turks the highest any moslem power went have no link with Arab and ditto China probably the next world power.
Arabs or their ancestors have never been world power

MaxInDHouse:
The concluding statement is somehow dicey but if that's how you feel like seeing the matter it's OK. But that's not the truth!

The world is going to an end, Satan and his demons are everywhere trying to make all humans destroy one another, they have lost in the battle to keep everyone in the dark, so as the light of God's word is getting brighter and Jesus' disciples are shining brightly throughout the earth Satan is becoming sadder everyday.

So they want to fight against God but the only way they can do such is by making God's word invalid. God's word said some humans will survive Satan's final attack on humanity {Revelations 7:14} but Satan and his demons are spitefully anticipating total annihilation!

Politics has been the root cause of the problem humans have right after the incident in the garden of Eden. God promised that no matter how Satan try He (God) will always have some people who will be loyal to God {Job 1:8} God arranged for a nation through Abraham's lineage but Satan succeeded in making that nation a mess {Matthew 23:37-38} so after Jesus' ultimate sacrifice God released His Holy Spirit and a GROUP of people who will later become millions across the globe practicing pure worship under God's sovereignty sufficed, instantly Satan and his demons went into action to annihilate all the pioneers of this GROUP {Revelations 12:17} after which Satan quickly initiated a counterfeit GROUP to deceive the world and will serve Satan's purpose, that religion is globally known today as the "Roman Catholic Church" unlike Jesus' true disciples who goes about peacefully preaching and teaching people from house to house and door to door the Catholics were forcing their religion on people everywhere they go. This went on until the birth of Muhammad in Mecca. Muhammad wanted to make himself a prophet just to enjoy himself but attacks kept coming from all sides including the Roman Catholic Church who taught Muhammad the little he knew about God. That was how both religions began struggling for the world's domination under Satan's blindfold (Politics)
Today the Catholic Church and her children Protestants have successfully held the power for centuries {Revelations 17:5} but the Arabs whose ancestors produced the first four world powers wanted the power back. That's why they are fighting Catholic and her Protestant children to recover what they thought rightfully belongs to them.
That's what is happening in the world today.
However Satan and his demons are the unseen forces behind all these {Ephesians 6:12} that's why Jesus commaded us never to lead by force or use of weapons! Matthew 26:52
Throughout the earth today the one and only GROUP who are aware of all these sacred secrets is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization that's why Satan and his human agents keep criticizing us {2Corinthians 4:4} because we are not deceived by Satan's cobwebs! 2Corinthians 2:11
So as i said earlier people will continue to kill people and Satan will give you a thousand and one reason why you must pick up weapons to kill your fellowman, only Jehovah's Witnesses have been trained never to lift up weapons against anyone no matter what happens! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

May you have PEACE!

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but the Arabs whose ancestors produced the first four world powers wanted the power back.......who are this first 4 world powers t

Abohboy:
Different parts of Lagos were owned by different people, some parts like Ikorodu were owned by the Ijebu meanwhile other parts like Kuramo were owned by the Bini it is a diverse mix

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Fact is, the Oba was mightier and influential more than any Yoruba chiefs until his exile to calabar

Eeghe:
He organized a fashion show
He comes up with games and dining fun
He is the ladies’ daddy and resident teddy bear
He has funny DS that can easily switch to intelligent and astute
He has even been in a fight
He has talent and is good in tasks
He cracks everyone up
He gives relationship advice
He likes some women “that way” and some like him “that way” (just like in life). Queen and JMK like him but he likes others more. It happens, lol
He shares his life stories (I would love some more personal ones too)
He has money stories and motivation
He is kind and he cooks for all, a super chef who still finds time to entertain, and be involved in the house
Very importantly (to me), he has played his game without hurting another/others and or their games
How is he all about the kitchen for God’s sake
He brought something never unseen to the BBN show, PeriodT

(will edit later biko)

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WhiteRAT

rhektor:
Wow! So can you please show us where anyone has claimed that Bini people are Yoruba? What we've always maintained here is that your Ọba is a full Yoruba man and y'all Edo are his slaves

Cc
TAO11

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samuk read this very SWEET NEWS though it is something the world already knows

http://punchng.com/bini-not-yoruba-are-original-owners-of-lagos-ajayi-bembe/

TAO11:
Let here not be flooded with the bitter-pill syndrome, Amen! Lol.

(1) It took an average 5 months' one-way trip traditionally from Uromi to Benin City (C.G. Okije cited in A.F.C Ryder).

Then logically [something Binis Naira-landers lack], it took an average of 20 moons' one-way trip traditionally from Benin City to IFE.

The Math & Logic have been detailed above. And Logic /Math are no respecter of people's emotions.
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(2) A cross piece was NEVER said to have being casted and sent from Benin to confirm the Ooni [abomination!]. Instead, the text clearly shows it to be the other way round.

As such, one of such piece made and sent to Benin should be necessarily sought in Benin (not Ife): and even if found there must have been to use in connection with Ife/Yorubaland, not elsewhere.

Interestingly, one of such piece was not only truly found in Benin; it was also used on a daily basis (by Benin kings) in connection to Ile-Ife & Yoruba land. This has also been detailed above. Moreover, some Ife artifacts have also yielded the use of the cross iconography.
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(3) First of all, there was no such thing as a Benin garrison in Lagos; that illusion was thoroughly debunked here.

Now to refuting the thoughtless bungle of equating a Lagos-Benin (1600s) trip with a Benin-IFE (1400s) trip:


(A) The Benin-IFE (1400s) trip is a trip on land through the forested interior. While the Lagos-Benin 1600s trip (based on Ulsheimer's account) is a trip on water via the Atlantic coast and the Ughoton channel. INCOMPARABLE

(B) The Benin-IFE (1400s) forest walk does requires and allows for days, weeks, or months of campings & resorts along the journey. The Lagos-Benin (1600s) boat cruise does not.

(C) The distance covered per unit of time by walking as a group is in no logical way comparable to the distance covered per unit of time by paddling as a group. One permits division of labour, the other doesn't.


There is just no basis whatsoever for comparison. The centuries are different, the channel (and of course means) of the trip are also different. One is way more efficient than the other. The comparison is simply dumb.

The traditional walking trip from Benin to Ife have already been detailed out above based on traditional data and other facts and figures. And Ife fits in with absolute practical precision.

Logic & Math are no respecters of people's emotions.

Peace.

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So out of everything told the Europeans they understood all but the said LOCATION they didn't.......what a LOGIC

So only you and your Ogane weed smokers can correctly calculate out the precise locations but men who built ships back then, navigated the world, who knew the time and dates of different region they visited, who knew astrology and who could keep and trace locations base on the Moon never knew MATHS and were never discerning

Stop smoking Ogane WEED

Abohboy:
I am reopening this thread because there is still no answer and I need to know I have read on Jstor and it doesn't seem to be ife the present of such a cross doesn't show up in Ife artefacts so i'm starting to see a potential Igbo or Nupe origin for the Ogane please don't turn this into a tribalist thread

1486 João de Barros: Pre-Protuguese Christian influence in Benin - Ibid., 126-7

Among the many things which the King D. João learnt from the ambassador of the king of Benin, and also from João Afonso d'Aveiro, of what they had been told by the inhabitants of these regions, was that [b]to the east of Beny at twenty moons' journey which according to their account, and the short journeys they make, would be about two hundred and fifty of our leauges there lived the most powerful monarch of these parts, who was called Ogané. Among the pagan chiefs of the territories of Beny he was held in as great veneration as is the Supreme Pontif with us. In accordance with a very ancient custom, the king of Beny, on ascending the throne, sends ambassadors to him with rich gifts to announce that by the decease of his predecessor he has succeeded to the kingdom of Beny, and to request confirmation. To signify his assent, the prince Ogané sends the king a staff and a headpiece of shining brass, fashioned like a Spanish helmet, in place of a crown and sceptre. He also sends a cross, likewise of brass, to be worn round the neck, a holy and religious emblem similar to that worn by the Knights of the Order of Saint John. Without these emblems the people do not recognize him as lawful ruler, nor can he call himself truly king. All the time this ambassador is at the court of Ogané, he never sees the prince, but only the curtains of silk behind which he sits, for he is regarded as sacred. When the ambassador is leaving, he is shown a foot below the curtains as a sign that the prince is within and agrees to the matters that he has raised; this foot they reverence as though it were a sacred relic.[/b] As a kind of reward for the hardships of such a journey the ambassador receives a small cross, similar to that sent to the king, which is thrown round his neck to signify that he is free and exempt from all servitudes, and privileged in his native country, as the Knights are with us.

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Too much of Hollywood movies and lies from BobRISKY is bad.
I also learnt the Ijebu king reported this Supreme king to the Europeans.
If this feared and "eyes dare not see king" was reported to the Europeans by both the Oba of Benin and the Ijebu king as claimed by BobRISKY and co abeg

* When the Herdsmen, the Sons of Mohammed came calling to the land of the Ogane especially the land of the Ijebus who also reported this Ogane to the Europeans, did they tell same to this Mohammedans.

* If ever such a FEARED IMMORTAL and eyes dare not see king ever existed why did most Kings under is suzerainty converted to Islam and also bear Islamic names up till this moment?
Was he a Super Coward that even his territories and beyond, his kings and servants, the men and women who worshiped him were taken and converted to ISLAM and presently the OBA himself is a frequent church goer.

When we try to place history, from what angle, perspective, narrative and events relative to us are we drawing our conclusions.

One thing is certain and sure, not until the grand father of this present OBA did this Ife and Benin jargons started, he unlike his ancestors was born and brought up in Lagos until his coronation as the OBA under a Western Nigeria government and the British who despised his ancestors.

Benin and Ife had nothing in common, if the Mohammedans could make nonsense of an imaginary SUZERAIN as claimed by them the Europeans would have done such if they ever believed in such NONSENSE


FINALLY
You as a person REASON with me, if this Europeans that drew the map, navigated the world using coordinates and every instruments they had back then at their disposal, do you believe if it was ever said that out of everything told this European that it is only the LOCATION of the Ogane they never understood but every other thing said they understood.
I fear Ogane WEED smokers

samuk:
show us the Oba that said he was Yoruba and show us were he said it. This should be the simplest of assignment to you.

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Even the Devil can't stand their lies

TAO12:
I know exactly when I knock a tooth out of a Bini liar.

Clue: No intelligent (or even pseudo-intelligent point can be mustered by such Bini.

See ehn, you have tried for Benin kingdom. Na man you be. Rest. LMAO!
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Now let me have anything linking Benin kingdom to the Europeans telling them of any relationship with Itsekiris prior to the beginning of British conquest of Southern Nigeria.

After all Binis must have a long time relationship with the Itsekiris; and Europeans have been trading in the region since the late-1400s. Oya do, I’m waiting.

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Dry, smoke some more Ogane weed maybe I will laugh then.....

According to BobRISKY, from 1400s to sometimes in 1890s a suzerain to the Oba was in the know both by the locals and most Europeans. An immortal that eyes dare not see, in her exact words in Yoruba because what was spoken needed "SPIRITUAL INTERPRETATION"
“Ibi ojúmọ́ ti ń mọ́ wá”. The said all powerful king resided to the East( SPIRITUAL) of the Oba......Ogane Weed smokers history

To clarify further, the King of the Ijebus also in the 1400s did same, reporting of an all powerful king, his needs no SPIRITUAL interpretation because the King of the Ijebus spoke in precise Yoruba.......( no be small thing)

If the Ijebu king also reported of the said powerful king, then we all be rest assured that the Alaffin of Oyo Empire and every other Yoruba king together with the Oba all knew of this "eyes dare not see king" a suzerain to them all. ....(Isn't that wonder, a king of kings and lord of lords all under his domain)

For over 400years the Europeans after receiving this reports of the said suzerain never for once met his emissaries in Benin and Ijebu, instead within the territory Yoruba land to be precise, all manners of wars between Oyos, Ibadans, Egbas, Ijebus, Ifes, Ekitis, was forever raging on under the territory of a suzerain king an immortal that eyes dare not see....(I guess the Ogane just stays in the bush all year round)

The Ijebu King reported to the Europeans of a suzerain, but when the sons of Mohammed came calling, BobRISKY the Ogane weed smoking machine did the Ijebus and other Kings reported of any such NONSENSE to them, rather most of this so called kings got converted and till this moment are bearing Islamic names while the so called descendants of your Ogane attends Church services. The sons of Mohammed were never told of Ogane the Suzerain of all but you want me to believe all your NONSENSE of an Ogane that the sons of Mohammed never heard or were told of.

Between the Oba palace and your Suzerain subjects which traditional institute has been the most diluted?
how has the external religion affected the Royal institution of the Oba and the others under your imaginary Ogane?

This imaginary and weed smoking suzerain you are trying to create to massage your empty history that doesn't come anywhere close the Oba and his empire will do you no good.
Till the end of this world never you compare your empty past and history to that of the Oba, your village stories you are trying to glamorize by spinning it here and there with everyday new tales will never sell.
Your never had any SUZERAIN, never had anything, just TALES and FABLES of village stories.

Ogane WEED is very very dangerous

TAO12:
Even though you were sacred to promise that you will read (because you know you won’t), I will, none-the-less, provide the book/article as you requested.

The first known published work that features the name of Benin comes from the visit of D. P. Pereira to Benin in the late 1480s.

His volume (written in 1506) contains a mention of his visit to Ijebu that year where he wrote about the Ijebu moat, the trade, the largeness of the city, etc.

By the way, he also informed us that Benin has no walls. Oops! Did I have to let that out?

I’d have to cross it out with a line: [s]he also informed us that Benin has no walls[/s] Great!

Duarte Pacheco Pereira, Esmeraldo De Situ Orbis (1506), page 182.

Peace to you, child. ✌

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Who else was she going to mention? Now lemme have anything linking the Ijebus to the Europeans telling them about the "eyes dare not see" immortal King so that I can nail your coffin

samuk:
Oops, I didn't see the dictionary evidence that says Benin are Yoruba. That one has faded after just one day of evidence. Every day you provide new evidence to support your lies.

TAO11 show us the dictionary evidence that proves Benin people are Yoruba. Don't be ashamed I am sure your fans will want to see it one more time.

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Did BobRISKY tell you about the LATINIZED name of Ogane?

TAO12:
Thanks for demonstrating clearly that you are incapable of mustering a intelligent/coherent reply as regards the subject at hand.

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Grace Question:
Will you read the book/article if the references are to be provide to you?

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It is too early for one to be smoking WEED
What part of the words Books, links or references don't you understand?

Anything you Ogane Weed smoking machine!

TAO12:
I know exactly when I’ve knocked a Bini man down. Even his pseudo-intelligent replies would cease as in the case here.

One man down from the Benin side. We meove. Hehe
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Last chance, are you ready to ready to read a book?

Search your heart before you answer.

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If you know you aren't the senior brother of Devil show where anywhere anything or link where IJEBUS met the Europeans in 1400
* where they also told Europeans of the Immortal king

BobRISKY will surely dance naked at the Ogane market square in ile ife

TAO12:
Is this to be taken as a honest promise to the effect that you’ve searched your heart and you’ve found yourself to be now ready to read a book?

Thanks!

Thunder fire you and if you don't show me where Ijebus in 1400 met with Europeans

TAO12:
Oh okay, I get. You’re not sure if you will read a book. No problem. It’s a Bini thing. We continue here.

And who said he didn’t? Olodo.

To educate you (only that you won’t read) in the late-1400s alone, two different Portuguese got these information about the Ogané & Hooguanee.

Of these the two Portuguese, one reached both Benin city as well as the capital city of Ijebu in the late 1400s.

The reports were published in the early 1500s and mid-1500s (Hooguanee and Ogané respectively).

Moreover, others (such as the Spanish, et al. followed in subsequent centuries) to obtain some information about this powerful monarch who overlords Benin, et al. and their kings.



Cheers!

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What about the Latinized name?

Who ever heard of Ijebus if not the Ijebus
Thunder FIRE you if you dont show me where or what useless book published it

samuk:
Everything Benin that was written between 1897 and 1960 had Yoruba input. This was the days of western region, Yoruba was heavily involved in trying to Yorubanised the entire western region.

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It was Awolowo, nothing of whatsoever linked Benin with Ife rather Ondo and most coastal communities down to EKO all answered to the OBA

TAO12:
Type your question in English. In other words, make your question make sense.

Unless you promise me to have now agree to read a book. Otherwise, you ain’t getting sh*t.

Peace!

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Shit is when you LIE more than the DEVIL!
where is your Ijebu KING that couldn't tell the Europeans of an immortal King in 1400 but the Oba of the Benin Empire did?

TAO12:
I know when I’ve knocked you down — i.e. Even your pseudo-intelligent replies cease.

One man down on the Bini side.

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Your mouth run faster than your brain

TAO12:
I am not a dictionary of Bini language which says the original meaning (i.e. etymology) comes from the Yoruba word.

Hold it up against your language not me.

And I asked if you’ve searched your heart to confirm that you’re now ready to read a book.

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How many meaning has the word KING OBA OBONG SHEHU etc ?

Make I see the Ijebu man that controls port give me the book