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TAO12:
The kingdom of Kongo which the Portuguese had interactions with in the late-1400s, etc. is a kingdom on the coast of central Africa, oh you dummy.

A WEED smoking goat to the core, what is inside that brain of yours?
If lands ( Timbukutu, Sosso,etc) and Rivers of Africa( Niger, Kongo) was drawn as early as 1385, what stops explorers from wanting to know and see the land, armies of the IMMORTAL SUZERAIN King that eyes dare not see for good 400years?
And when the Oba was finally exiled which made the Oba in lagos to be happy, why didn't the British bring the news of an immortal king to the King of England?
The Parliament/ Royals in England from time immemorial recognises the Benin Kingdom tell me where in anywhere was this WEED smoking immortal king of yours ever recognized, even Lord Lugard never heard of such nonsense until the coming of Awolowo

TAO12:
Okon with the wonderfully-low IQ:

You have just one job:

Show me the European who penetrated from the Atlantic coast to as far as Mali and Burkina-Faso during the “Ogane” period.

Do your one job NOW. ❤️



cheesy

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How about Kongo?
If only u have an idea of the amount of rubbish you cook daily

samuk:
My brother you are harsh, if you continue like this you are going to reduced TAO11 to tears, that is if it has not already happened. Look at how you just walked all over her pet project like a piece of cake.

All her hours of research, copy and paste gone like a smoke. At this rate, she may not last long on nairaland, if she derail who are we going to be using to have fun on nairaland.

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Nonsense thesis, research and works that will only get favor in the southwest universities
Come and summit such jargons in Unical UniBen or UniPort

TAO12:
You have just one job:

Show me the European who penetrated from the Atlantic coast to as far as Mali and Burkina-Faso during the “Ogane” period.

Do o your one job NOW. ❤️

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Ogane imaginary period.... Read up my earlier post more carefully while smoking ya immortal weed

TAO12:
You have just one job:

Show me the European who penetrated from the Atlantic coast to as far as Mali and Burkina-Faso during the “Ogane” period.

Do o your one job NOW. ❤️

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Ogane imaginary period.... Read up my earlier post more carefully while smoking ya immortal weed

TAO12:
What version of crap is the above?? Must be crap-v-8-5-9-a-m

See my reply to your crap embedded below:


You have only one job — just one, viz.

Show me the European who penetrated from the Atlantic coast to as far as Mali and Burkina-Faso during the “Ogane” period.

So, do your one job.

Go get more WEEDs so you will go beyond processing to having an analytic mentality.

TAO12:
You are actually too foolish to be ignored.

So, I will dumb things down for you so you don’t run along screaming “obaghatokpehe” like a stray horse.

(1) The first time the River Niger was traced out from outlet to source was in the 1800s by the Landers.

(2) Park’s “discovery” of the River was the first serious attempt to trace it. And he did that in the 1790s.

(3) As such, his exploration was a boat cruise through river, not a land trip through the west African forest.

(4) Despite this foregoing fact, some early maps show River-Niger — i.e. an idealistic feature of the maps on the basis of reports obtained from coastal contacts.

(5) In fact, some of the early maps show an annotation namely the “O[gh]oni’s Dominion” [in Latin]. I have two of such maps from the 1500s.

(6) In any case, European explorers who visited early in the late-1400s, 1500s, 1600s, and 1700s were dead-scared to wade deep into the deeply forested interior.

(7) Even when they did in the 1800s, it was still a huge disaster; but clearly not as bad as it would have been in the early centuries.

(8 ) The Ogane report was from Europeans who came to the Benin area in the late 1400s, 1500s, 1600s, etc.

(9) In light of all the foregoing show me the European who penetrated from the Atlantic coast to as far as Mali and Burkina-Faso during the “Ogane” period.

(10) You have just one job, just this one. Now do it.

Peace!

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For the above NONSENSE I score you 2 outta 10. Honestly, you are truly a WEED smoking goat.

Every 14 year old kid knows about the lander brothers, but your crack smoking WEED head knows nothing about Kongo River and the voyages made by several explorers and the years.

If Maps of Timbuktu in Mali, Sosso in Burkina Faso were drawn as early as 1375 and the myths of Niger/ Kongo Rivers having a common source drawing many explorers long before Mungo Park( he never traced it he died half way) was born could lure men, what then could have stop men wanting to see the Suzerain of the Oba of the Benin kingdom. The king with no army and "eyes dare not see" for over 400 years?

O[gh]oni Dominion, the latinized name of Ogane is more Yoruba than I expected what a wonder. Plz I want to see this map with immediate alacrity, a suzerain that doesn't exist in the timeline of Africa , West Africa, Nigeria only in a bush in southwest Nigeria brought to limelight by a politician and dubious wannabes village self acclaimed historians seeking to be relevant in African history.
If the first University was cited outside of Ibadan do you think we will be having this jargons of a chitchat.


The Oba was known in the Royals court of Europe and discussed, till tomorrow the Royal family in Lagos can only dissuss the Oba and not the Ooni ditto Onitsha, Warri, Agbor and numerous tribes.
The British sacked Benin while Abeokuta Ibadan and Ilorin rolled over not a mention of ile Ife was ever made anywhere not to talk of any " eyes dare not see" king that you WEED smoking goats claim to have been reported in the courts/ cities of Europe for over 400years.

The Europeans that met with Chiefs in Badagry, EKO, Abeokuta, Ijebu Ibadan never reported any "eyes dare not see" King. In the entire Benin Kingdom nobody knew of such nonsense even the very next door neighborhood of Modakeke till tomorrow don't and never knew of such IMMORTAL king, it is in the court of the Oba of Benin whose kingdom the world knows that it was only reported for 400years
Continue smoking your weed and be spinning history to comfort yourself

TAO12:
Wait … What!?

What version of CRAP is this? CRAP-v.7-22-A-M

Anyways:

Show me one European in Mali or Burkina-Faso, or in the deep forest of Kong (not near coast) during the periods of the Oghoni’s overlordship.

You have just one job, just this one. Now do it.

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Are you this daft?
What year was the first map of West/Eastern African drawn showing the rivers of Niger and Kongo you this WEED smoking machine?
What year did Mungo Park go half the course of River Niger that other Europeans wouldn't have done looking for Suzerain of the Oba, a king with no army and eyes dare not see?

Oh, you think drone was used like your invincible king

It seems you are running out of weed better contact the palace of Ogane sharp sharp

TAO12:
Show me where any Ozolua met a Portuguese in any contemporary writing of the period.

YES! You didn’t know that?

Show me one European in Mali or Burkina-Faso during the periods of the Oghoni’s overlordship.

Show me one EUrOpEaN who penetrated dEeP into the Kingdom of Kongo.

By the way, the Kingdom of Kongo lies on the Atlantic coast of central Africa.

See the first attached screenshot from Adam Knobler (2016:47)

The British did go there. Ignoramus.

Moreover, could you explain to me what “aberration” is going on in the picture embedded here.

When did territories of Benin kingdom (Esanland to be precise) become ceded to the Emirate?

Just asking for a friend.

Oghoni (classical form) is his ‘name’.

Owoni (intermediate form) is his ‘name’.

Ooni (modern form) is his ‘name’.

Oghene (to the Binis of old) is his ‘name’.

See second attachment from Hanz Melzian’s “A Concise Dictionary of the Bini Language of Southern Nigeria”.

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So it is only contemporary writings of a suzerain " eyes dare not see" king by Ryder and co that you have read, so Oba Ozuala meeting with the Portuguese was reported by the Binis.

Ogane lordship that existed only in your villages, back when Kings and empires were determined by the armies of men they controlled only weed smoking historian can tell us the army and empire this "eyes dare not see king" had and controlled




When was the First Map of Africa drawn, showing the River Kongo and River Niger?
When was the river Niger up to half of it course explored and when was Benin Empire burnt?
You think Explorers just sat in Europe and drew the land/Rivers of Africa while smoking WEED

If the Portuguese could reach Benin in 1495 and explorers could navigate the river Niger/Kongo before the fall of Benin Empire in 1895, what stops them from going looking for the "eyes must not see" Almighty King. Or only those in the Ile Ife dares sees him...( Weed smoking jajanweed villages tales)

The river Kongo lies along the coast abi?
Wait for me to spoonfeed you on those that explored and drew the maps/rivers of Africa or you want to teach me Geography like a mighty king that had no armies or emissaries reporting to him

And the British saw the Suzerain King with their naked eyes in what year?
When the Empire was burnt down it was well documented and reported in Europe, plz tell me if the Royalties, the press in Europe and the British in particular ever reported anything about the suzerain King or his imaginary empire after the fall of the well known Benin Empire.

Northern Benin Empire fell later than territories your imaginary land of your suzerain king, just one village left ile Ife would have been chanting Allah akba by now.

3 different meaning of Ogane or whatever, Irreplaceable, Chief in Ile Ife and pieces of Kolanut wonderful.
The Oba, Shehu, Sultan, Obong, Tor TIV, Amanyanobo have one and only one meaning just like king and Queen nothing more nothing less

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CRUISETOPIAVP:
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Threebear:
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Can't win HOH.

Can't win any individual task .

But some people think he deserves the money , for what exactly ?

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One thing I am 100‰ certain of is WhiteRAT wins nothing..

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PaLiam:
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samuk:
There is nowhere the name Ife was mentioned in Benin history before 1897.

There is no way some Yoruba will not be embarrassed by your outing.

Ife, Oduduwa and Oranmiyan didn't appear in Benin history before 1897.

What won't we see and hear with from a weed smoking village historian

Ife- where eyes dare not see the Immortal king
Oduduwa- I don't know which version of Oduduwa you have heard of, is it Jerusalem abi na Mecca and Medina or the ile Ife own?
Oranmiyan - whether he is a Man or Spirit like Sango who is both god and man
The stories they tell in their villages they want tell the world...WEED smoking is dangerous he won't hear

TAO12:
Slave OKON, your oba remains my boy sha.

OKON, is there any reason why I can see through your fake laughs?

Address the points I raised for you before I open my eyes. You think you can escape with fake laughs.

OKON right now — see attached.

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So between 1485 when Oba Ozuala met the Portuguese and the last Oba exiled to Calabar in 1894 by the British.
Mosquitoes and deep forest conditions prevented the Portuguese, the British and every other Europeans from wanting to see this IMMORTAL all mighty King that towered the Oba.

For good 400 years while Benin traded with Europeans and when it was raided, the good and lovely sweet hearted Europeans with Fire powers that had penetrated into the deep of Congo, Mali and Burkina Faso never bothered to go look for Ogane the Suzerain king that eyes dare not SEE becos of mosquitoes and deep forest

When I say you smoke WEED honestly it s not ordinary weed, it must be weed from this Ogane of Ile Ife weed the weed no eyes can see. When the Fulanis were rampaging Osogbo and other cities they never spoke of any IMMORTAL king instead they were converting the conquered territory to Islam and you are here telling the entire universe with your junk ass Ryder of writer that a Suzerain King that eyes dare not see with no Armies or emissaries at the courts of his subjects existed, thunder strike your WEED smoking damaged brain.

Ordinary children of Uthman Fodio that rampaged Ilorin never mentioned of any nonsense imaginary king it is the British army hunger for gold, artefacts that exiled the Oba who won't go looking for such superior king.

Continue Smoking your suzerain WEED from the king that eyes dare not see, maybe Methuselah should be his name nonsense.
Better increase the strength of the weed you are smoking, cause you will need plenty of em

samuk:
I have made this argument repeatedly, it good to know others are not fooled by revisionists and their garbage history.

The first time the Alaafin saw the white man was in 1824. Ife was even much later. This same people are now telling everyone that Benin who was already dealing with the Europeans for more than 400 years before the Alaafin and Ooni saw a white man was under Ife.

Benin already sent an ambassador to Europe 200 years before the Alaafin and Ooni set their eyes on the white man for the first time.

Rather than these guys to concentrate on their fairytales threads, they are always looking for Benin threads to troll. Benin rocks these people's world. I wonder what they would have done with their lives without Benin history.

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I take delight in curing ego tripping weed smoking wannabe historian like BobRISKY aka TAO12 or 11.

They can only LIE within their villages they dare not take their lies outside their villages

TAO12:
I’m glad you wrote IF. Who born monkey?

Because to the Oghoni of IFE, no mortal was at par, let alone superior. Neither could a mortal see his face.

Because having W-Africans walk side-by-side with the whites does not help in any way with reducing their chances of falling ill in the course wading through the deeper W/African rain forest of the 1400s, 1500s, etc.

I am not from Benin kingdom. LMAO!

You mean your oba controlled villages, wOw he must be very gReAt. Haha

Komenda village had dealings with the Europeans — because the Europeans love to deal with gullible folks (not too far from the coast) whom they can short-change, e.g. Benin kingdom. Kisses!

Cc: Abohboy

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Your WEED is truly from Ogbomosho.... just read the jargons above

So the playboy present Ooni of Ife must be IMMOTEP the immortal...

Just like Oduduwa who killed gods and spirit
Immortal ya ewedu ASS!

TAO12:
Okon with the wonderfully low IQ,

Komenda villager (of present-day Ghana) have being trading with Europeans for centuries.

This villages and many other villages near the Atlantic coast of W-Africa (like Benin kingdom) still exist today.

The Europeans had direct trade contacts with these vilages (Komenda, your Benin, Cape 3 points) because:

(1) They’re are a group of gullible villages whom the Europeans found easy to short-change in trade.

(2) They are closer to the coast than the deep forest interior.

Make your pick as you no get sense. Don’t come back without making a pick. And it’s a trap.

LMAO!

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Confirmed Rabbit brain it seems you need a stronger WEED to smoke for better understanding

If the Benin Obas had garrison in EKO, if the Nana of Itshekeri always reported to the Oba, if the Oba knew all that the daily transactions in his empire how come the Ogane who you CRACK head and fellow junk writers claim was superior to the Oba never knew anything about the Europeans

Or why NEVER did any of the Obas assigned his men or chiefs to take the Europeans to go see his superior leader or did this superior leader never had emissaries at the Obas palace

Or is it only know to smoke WEED and type gibberish you sabi.

* Mind you the Oba Palace is several km from the Atlantic river, yet he controlled villages at the shores *

TAO12:
I can’t remember asking you for ocean of tears.

@Abohboy, you have an unfinished baby-sitting job to complete with this “town crier”. LMAO!

Iti-Boribo.

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Fishbrain
So for over 400years your Ogane the Suzerain of the Oba never knew the Obas had been interacting with Europeans you and that your Ogane, Ryder of a junk writer are the most dumbest of all in the entire universe

TAO12:
LMAO!

I am cracking because even your brother, @Abohboy, realized you have a wonderfully low I.Q.

He actually literally dumbed it down to you that white people dared not penetrate deep into the interior of the West-African rain forest at that time.

They have a substantial I.Q. unlike Okon to know that death awaits them from plasmodium parasites, etc. as those are more concentrated the deeper one goes.

Unlike them, West Africans are way highly immune to these parasites. And this was at a time when there is no real antibiotics yet.

As such they restricted their interactions to kingdoms and villages near the coast where their ships were.

Having educated you on what most people learnt in junior high school (thanks also: @Abohboy), the actual relationship between Benin and Yoruba is as seen in the attached summary below.

Moreover, the comparison made of Yoruba cities and Benin (that “Benin was inconsiderable”) by Punch was made before the DeStRuCtiON of Benin.

Regarding your screenshot, now I’m also curious as to why some earlier travelers to Benin exaggerated Benin (rather than paint it in the exact bad way that it was which later travelers did anyways)?

Are they simply painting exaggerations to enable them sell their books back in Europe? This appears to be the case.

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You lots are simply pathetic and a shame to ordinary common sense, I need not answer @Abohboy because they all were subjects and under the control of the Oba, even Onitsha bowed to the Oba
So for over 400years before the exile of the Benin king to Calabar, the Benin Kings never deemed it fit to report to their "supposedly" higher king the presence of Europeans to him, yet the Benin kings pay homages to him according to you and your " foreign writers".

If that be the case that your Ogane who you claim was suzerain over the Oba is the most foolish of all kings, so for every successive Oba interactions with Europeans they never bothered taking the Europeans to him your Ogane must be an insignificant nonentity to all the Obas until the fall of the Benin Empire.

If all the tribes and villages from the shore of EKO down to Warri/Forcados where the Nana controlled all submitted and reported to the Oba whose palace was several km from the Atlantic shore yet the Oba gives no regard to the Ogane, that suzerain leader over the Oba must really be an errand boy to the Oba

So you doubt if Europeans authors never wrote Adventures of imaginary
lands of gold, women in abundance and fighting of African savage tribes to gain popularity or to massage their egos, you are truly a dumb wannabe BobRISKY historian.

@Abohboy all of you, even the upper river Niger area all answered and bowed to the Oba, you can ask your village chief and also the Obi of Onitsha who never existed when the Europeans first set foot on this continent

BobRISKY you can continue smoking you weed from ile Ife maybe you can go add some from Ogbomosho village

TAO12:
Okon with the wonderfully low I.Q.

What version of crap did you just heap?

Crap-08-52-AM?? LMAO!

Give me evidence, I can’t remember asking you for crap.

So between the said period where was your Shaki, Modakeke, Ilorin and Ibadan enclaves?

And all that while the Portuguese NEVER thought going looking for your "imaginary " super king in ile Ife..

Continue smoking ya weed

TAO12:
Okon with the wonderfully-low I.Q.

Any I.Q. increment in recent times? Obviously none. Moving on …

I’ve been waiting on you for months now to provide an indisputable evidence (a video) showing where Oba Akiolu (a 21st century king) said or implied that Binis ruled even a plot of land in Lagos-island.

You fled to voluntary exile once this request was put to you, only to return from exile to continue peddling the very thing for which you had gone on exile.

Chief Ovaranmwen, the reigning Chief of Benin then was actually banished from his land to the forest.

He was banished not because of trade but because he ordered the killing of unarmed visitors to his land.

He was to be hanged like his men, but he was spared and only banished to the forest because he pleaded to have known nothing about the attack.

You Binis have to make up your mind on one of two things.

Were the Yoruba kingdoms (of Ibadan, Abeokuta and Ilorin) conquered by the British long before the Benin chiefdom was conquered — in which case they were already open to relationship with the British?

Or was the Benin chiefdom conquered first and Chief Overanmwen banished before the British supposedly began relationship with Ibadan, Abeokuta, and Ilorin?

Make up your mind.

In any case, there is no relationship between Benin & Abeokuta (that any historian is aware of) except that:

“As a town, Benin was inconsiderable compared with places like Ibadan, Iseyhin, Shaki, Modakeke, and Abeokuta.”

~C. Punch, 1889 Journal; cited in H.L. Roth (1903), p.vii.

Another relation I can recall between Benin & Ilorin is as highlighted in the attachment below.

IF any of these relationship look to you like a vassal & overlord relationship; Benin clearly is the vassal.

CC: Naigleria1

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BobRISKY the one and only weed smoking wannabe historian, so in 1556 and at other times when Benin and the Europeans were busy having intellectual discourse where were your Shaki, Ibadan, Abeokuta, Ilorin towns.
I bet Oranmiyan and co were still hanging on trees back then while the soldiers from the Obas palace were busy merchandising at EKO...

Fast forward to 1890s

"Unharmed" visitor according to who? Well good enough he ain't no coward like his subjects in Ilorin, Abeokuta and Ibadan who welcomed the British soldiers with fanfares.
Well no surprise cause they longed yearned to be free from the Obas control, EKO was now at liberty because of the Obas exile.

You and your Ryder of a writer came to the party very late, not until the exile of the Oba of Benin was there anything of significance West of the Benin Empire.
The Oba was the OverLORD

TAO12:
Kudos to you for trying hard to want to make sense.

However, [make I no talk ]

I would break things down a little bit for you, and you will understand. Amen!

(1) His first screenshot was from a book published in 1880.

(2) His second screenshot is from an article published in 1973.
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Having educated you on the dates, it doesn’t matter if it was written/published by Adam & Eve themselves.

Regarding His First Screenshot:
The crux is that, the content of the material shows a Bini man (Ourano) who said his oba is the sTrOnGeSt.

If this proves to be factual to you, then my own father is the strongest father in the world. Don’t you agree?

Regarding His Second Screenshot:
The crux here is that the author was referring to a Bini man (Egharevba) who gave that opinion. Hence the 70 which appears as a footnote label after the sentence.

If this proves to be factual to you, then my ancestors was responsible for hijacking the Northern Edo lands from the oba of Benin. Don’t you agree?

Breaking News:
Saying Benin once ruled some piece of land in Lagos, or that Benin once ruled some places in Ondo based on statements emanating from the Binis themselves is about the dumbest thing anyone could come up with as evidence.

Peace!

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Even the Oba of Lagos will testify to that.
The Oba was exiled to Calabar because he was a threat to the monopoly of trade at the port especially that of lagos

While he was exiled, the Ibadan, Abeokuta and Ilorin Chiefs were sending emissaries to the British so as to gain favors and celebrate the fall of their Overlord King

hey can someone tell me the difference between Ibiobios, Annangs and Efiks?

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What is the difference between Ohafia, Bendes and Ngwa
Or Mbise, Orlu or Owerri

What is the difference between Egbas, Aworis and Ijebus?

kingsceemark:
Anybody wey no wan hear words, we go death threat am.

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Make una de use unaself de shine

IPOB nothing good will come out of them

CRUISETOPIAVP:
Maria has been through a lot since last week till now.

From biggie setting her up against her fellow housemates with that unfair task to even bringing something that wasn't part of the pan into it on the live show and finally getting a strike plus being barred from participating in HOH for 2 weeks.

She's a human being with emotions too. She no be firewood. Her reaction to anything right now is not because she was nominated for eviction or because the person she nominated isn't up. It's all because of what the clueless organisers have made her gone through in the last one week only to reward her with useless abeg naira and strike. It's so unfair..

Pls punish her with votes..

Marians no sharing of votes..

Maria only has you and I.

let's crash the fvcking poll!!!

Beautilicious

maxwell530:
you are inconsequential, so I will move

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Move but always remember your WhiteRAT remains useless

maxwell530:
how does a guy that called other HMs "Useless" think?

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Useless more than useless, he is

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.Angel said it publicly yesterday dat white money has a big D

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Angel....she says anything