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TAO11:
Eeeyah!

So after disgracing yourself to stupor, your best bet is to now point to a teacher, right?. LMAO!

Well, never point to a teacher while knowing fully well that you’ve only taken half education from them.

I did make my statement on how the story of Ooduwa from Mecca is rooted in the presuppositions of Sultan Bello on the origin of Yorubas in general.

I also did clarify the context by giving an actual quote of Sultan Bello’s actual words, and how S. Johnson had keyed into the general narrative as all shown below:


You ran with the first part (i.e. my statement), and left out the actual quotation; hence your self-destruction of insisting that Sultan Bello wrote specifically about Oduduwa.

Sorry, you brought the disgrace upon yourself lad. You are the real manifestation of the famous saying that: “Half knowledge is worse than ignorance”.

The disgrace on you can’t be reversed sweety. Going forward, make it a duty to fully read what you spend time typing replies to. It makes you appear less dumb, and saves you humiliation like this.

I’m pretty sure rEaDeRs who hAvE EyEs actually read in full, unlike @samuk. Buhaha They know not to run along with half education.

Having said that, Sultan Bello’s presumption as per the roots of the Yorubas was debunked right then and there in the early 1800s by the Landers who also in the early 1800s collected and published the account of the Yorubas’s roots as received from the Yorubas.


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So, having admitted to have been humiliated vis-a-via your insistence that Sultan Bello wrote specifically on Oduduwa [and being from Mecca], I noticed that you have been avoiding the two simply questions shown below:

The following names are not found or mentioned in over 400 years Benin written European eyewitness historical accounts:

Eweka I
Uwuakhuahen
Henmihen
Ewedo
Oguola
Edoni
Udagbedo
Ohen
Egbeka
Orobiru
Uwaifiokun
Ewuare I
Ezoti
Olua
Ozolua
Esigie
Orhogbua
Ehengbuda
Ohuan
Ohenzae
Akenkpaye
Akengbedo
Ore-Oghene
Ewuakpe
Ozuere
Akenzua I
Eresoyen
Akengbuda
Obanosa
Ogbebo
Osemwende

So the questions for you remain:
(1) Do you likewise agree that the above-listed names of supposed Benin kings have nothing to do with Benin kingdom (based on your autistic standard of writing)?


(2) Do you likewise agree that the above-listed names are mere fairytales that were created by revisionists after 1897 (based on your autistic standard of writing)?

Peace.
Cc: babaolofin

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The Europeans were told what they needed be told!

The fact remains that the very first European that entered into the Kingdom met a King (1475) and like we all know the Oba Kingship is hereditary so as long as a King was in control of the Kingdom definitely he had predecessors.

I personally can tell you 12 generations of men that I descended from not to talk about the King of a Kingdom
I personally can read out 12 generation of my ancestors, so why would that be any problem for a King?

* Do you have any idea about the INITIATION PROCESS of a clan chief, even a village Chief? *

* Do you know how long a LIBATION process can take?

If you do, you will know that aside the "initiated" someone among the Kingmakers is vested with this responsibilities and act as a custodian of it.
To become member of certain groups in the villages you MUST receite to the very foundation the HEADs of that society, so telling me if by heart the Kingmakers of the OBA of Benin cant/don't know the names of their Kings does not hold.

They NEVER found it necessary to tell the Europeans their names and mostt probably the Europeans weren't interested in the names of the past Kings.

* Those NAMES never lived for 500 years neither do they claim them as gods*

Gbegirsoup:
Or maybe I should ask Agunwanyi too, he's obviously in the league of Dick-less mofos just like odogwu Carowhite...

Nothing is there, just a stump!!...

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Gbegirsoup:
Atleast we aren't all dickless.. That's what whitemonkey is... Odogwu Dick-less!!..

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My TV is so sensitive anytime the RAT pops up on screen, it goes blank.

That one DownChelsea is still having the kirikiri hangover

TAO11:
(1) Europeans are believed to have visited the Nigeria coastal areas from around the 1470s/1480s.

(2) These Europeans documented virtually everything they observed/heard, including details from meetings.

(3) These Europeans made occasional visits to Benin kingdom itself to apparently meet the Benin kings.

(4) Recent Benin stories tell us that the following have ruled Benin from the beginning till circa 1848:

Eweka I
Uwuakhuahen
Henmihen
Ewedo
Oguola
Edoni
Udagbedo
Ohen
Egbeka
Orobiru
Uwaifiokun
Ewuare I
Ezoti
Olua
Ozolua
Esigie
Orhogbua
Ehengbuda
Ohuan
Ohenzae
Akenkpaye
Akengbedo
Ore-Oghene
Ewuakpe
Ozuere
Akenzua I
Eresoyen
Akengbuda
Obanosa
Ogbebo
Osemwende

(5) Interestingly, none of these names feature as king of Benin in any writing of those Europeans.

(6) In fact, not even the red-highlighted names whom the Europeans are supposed to have met in person.

(7) Yet, from 1897 (and onward) some of these names began to feature in Benin stories/writings.

(8 ) Why didn’t the Europeans (who were on ground in Benin) document a thing on the above-listed names?

(9) A Benin m0r0n wants his fellow-morons to believe Oduduwa didn’t exist since his name isn’t written.

(10) Yet, the same Benin m0r0n (& his fellow morons) want to believe that the above-listed supposed Benin heroes existed — despite no single record of them.

(11) All these is despite that Oduduwa is supposed to have fluorished at a time when no European (or any writer) visited the Nigeria area.

(12) Also, all these is despite the fact that the above-listed names (the red-highlighted ones) are supposed to have flourished when Europeans visited them.

(13) IF Bini morons must exhibit natural ret@rdation, they should at least be ret@rded with consistency.

Peace!

Cc: MightySparrow, babaolofin

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Before I answer the above why do u people like calling for backups, ehn why?

samuk:
Oduduwa is widely accepted today as the common ancestor of most Yoruba monarchs/people and the Oba of Benin.

Questions:

1. Are there documented historical origin of Oduduwa.

2. Is there a documented historical evidence to back up Oduduwa ancestry of the aforementioned monarchs?

3. Was Oduduwa a mythical or historical figure in Yoruba history.

4. When did Oduduwa first appear in Benin documented history?

5. Do all Yoruba monarchs accept Oduduwa ancestry.

6. Was Oduduwa story historical or a political creation to first unite the Yoruba people and then Benin and Yoruba people.

Documented historical origin of Oduduwa:


The earliest known documented history of the origin of Oduduwa was told by Sultan Bello around the years 1822 - 1824. In that narrative, Sultan Bello told the story of how early Yoruba migrated from the middle east/Saudi Arabia.

This documented historical origin of Oduduwa remain so till 1897 when the first indigenous Yoruba author Samuel Johnson in his, the history of the Yoruba, argued that Oduduwa migrated from Egypt rather than Saudi Arabia, his arguments was based on the fact that he found no evidence that Saudi Arabia had an Oduduwa in their history.

The documented origin of Oduduwa remained that he migrated from the middle east, Saudi Arabia or Egypt until the 1970s.

In the 1970s, the Benin people through their monarch told the world that Oduduwa was the banished Benin prince Ekaladerhan who found his way to Ife and established the kingdom. Benin went on to date the period to the 1100s AD.

Few decades after Benin claim of Oduduwa being a Benin prince, the first documented Yoruba account of the origin of Oduduwa outside the middle eastern countries of Saudi Arabia and Egypt appeared. From the 1990s to 2010, some Yoruba authors claimed that Oduduwa was originally a native of Ife.

For almost 200 years since the history of Oduduwa was first written down as narrated by Sultan Bello, Oduduwa was believed to have migrated from the middle east, numerous Yoruba historians, writers and authors have always traced Oduduwa to the middle east until recently.

Less than two decades after Sultan Bello narrative of Oduduwa being from the middle east a Yoruba missionary Ajayi Crowder returned to Nigeria and started his missionary works in the 1840.

Since the 1840s, the Yorubas have been writing about themselves and did they claim Oduduwa to be a native of Ife, it will take almost 200 years before some revisionist will argue that Oduduwa was originally a native of Ife.

Documented evidence of Oduduwa ancestry of most Yoruba monarchs and Oba of Benin:


Until 1897 when the Yoruba historian Samuel Johnson wrote his, the history of the Yoruba, the is no documented earlier indigenous Yoruba accounts that traces all Yoruba Obas to Oduduwa.

The Ijebus is believed to have come in contact with the Europeans in the 1500s, the Alaafin of Oyo received his first European visitor in 1824 and there are hearsay European accounts of Oyo dating back to the 1700s, in all these accounts, I haven't seen any evidence were the various Yoruba tribes themselves claim Oduduwa as a common ancestor until late 1800s.

Oduduwa, a mythical or historical figure.

Early Yoruba historians such as C. C. Law in his book did confirm that there were Yoruba oral tradition that claim Oduduwa to be a myth rather than a historical figure. Their are Yoruba accounts that claimed Oduduwa to be a female deity.

Throughout the almost 200 years since the history of Oduduwa began in 1824, Oduduwa have variously been traced to Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Benin prince, a native of Ife and Yoruba female deity.

When did Oduduwa first appear in Benin history

There is not a single historical evidence of Oduduwa, Oranmiyan and Ife being mentioned in the over 400 years of eyewitness documented history of Benin until the fall of the old Benin empire in 1897.

Oduduwa, Oranmiyan and Ife only appear for the first time in Benin history after the fall of Benin in 1897.


Do all Yoruba monarchs accept Oduduwa ancestry:

The Awujale of Ijebu is one of the notable Yoruba monarchs who do not subscribe to the Oduduwa/Ife common ancestry. The Awujale traces the migration of his people to Sudan.

Another notable Yoruba monarch that doesn't believe in the Oduduwa common ancestry of Yoruba Obas and people is Fredrick Obateru Akinruntan, the traditional ruler of Ugbo Kingdom, a town in Ilaje Local Government, Ondo State. He is an oil magnate and founder of Obat Oil, one of Nigeria's largest and leading privately held oil companies.

Oba Obateru argues that Oduduwa is was a foreign to Ife from Benin.

Was Oduduwa story historical or a political creation to first unite the Yoruba people and then Benin and Yoruba people.

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Nice one, lemme go see what that Benin obesed friend of yours TAO11 got to say

Oba get all this and a Suzerain they call Ogane no get shinshin, which kind Suzerain be that?

Ogane wey nobody sabi except the smokers

DownChelsea:
There are different personality types.
I prefer when WhiteMoney steps back and allows the house fight for him.
It confirms his innocence more.

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Says who, he is just an ordinary chicken got no balls..
How was kirikiri?

FrankGiel:
I like you as a person, but i feel you are highly opionated and hardly see things from two sides.. remember what you said about CeeC??



How did it pan out??

You are making the exact same error two years later .

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Omo see Liberian una de do FBI no be small

PlayMaker14:
Mazi is just too good Abeg.... Even with his body, dude is flexible.

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Useless since 1400

PlayMaker14:
You did not bring anything to counter my predictions, rather you came here throwing shades like a little kid.


You'll be alright.

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Your predictions needs no countering but dismissal

PlayMaker14:
Atleast 3 housemates will leave the Big Brother's House tomorrow.

-Tega

-Micheal

-Saga

If biggie really wants to make it a King size eviction,

-Peace and Emmanuel will leave.

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Seems you are watching your normal village big brother series

DownChelsea:
If I reach there, I go choke Dem tirelessly again.



But then again, I can't even go there.




We keep pressing necks here

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So where you de now if not Kirikiri. Just like frog , WhiteRAT will also...

OGdaddy:
It's not about Instagram followers.

White money is currently the biggest trend in Nigeria.

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Stop talking like a rat

babyfaceafrica:
What really happened to Whitemoney? See fine and fit guy.. He just became orobo overnight.. Chai!!

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WhiteRAT bleaching since 1400 don see free food for biggie house instead of Puffpuff he was selling at idumota

rhektor:
Ekpa like you

From your mosquitoes ridden room you're replying with your opera mini megabytes

Why do you keep bringing this trash to nairaland with hope that it will not be trashed again?

Is that the reason you lots from scattered bushes in the southwest dare open you weed smoking mouths to a true son of the soil of EKO
Trash what? Best you shout that Oshogbo mouth of your

samuk:
Just Imagine the mindset. The anti Benin in some people on nairaland have actually shot down their reasoning capabilities. They so much enjoy fairytales. I usually smell them from afar, that is why I usually come down hard on them when I chooses to respond to them.

Many of them that know me, usually stay away when they see me in a thread. They now prefer to read quietly from the sidelines. Sometimes, they get carried away sneaked into a thread to give tacit support to TAO11 and quickly sneaked back out.

You now often see Benin related threads having thousands of views but the active participants will be less than 10 contributors, the majority read quietly.

These guys are not actually out for the purpose of learning but opportunities to bash Benin history.

This particular guy actually created another anti Benin thread in which he accused Benin of revisionism towards Yoruba and Igbo history, his intentions then was to create animosities between the Benin and Yoruba/Igbo alliance but the thread didn't fly because one of the Igbo guys that probably saw his nefarious intentions told him to let those that feel Benin are reversing their history fight for themselves, it died a natural death with just 3 posts, he then created this one.

Without Benin participation on this thread I doubt if it would have gone beyond 1 page.

Sometimes it's good to allow them enjoy their myths and fairytales.

SPIRITUAL Logical and mathematical interpretation is what you gonna hear next

macof:
There's really something off with every single Bini person on this forum in recent times, you guys aren't bright at all.

I specifically liked how the caption read "legend has it" that is the blow in the caption because it implies that it is an important part of Bini "collective memory" culture

Do you tell this or do you not?
Simple as that. The answer is obviously yes - seeing as there is even a statue depicting it. so for you to try to play around one Yoruba legend as if you don't have legends of your own is foolish

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This one must have attended Monsiratu Night School....
Mr comprehend can you comprehend ANYTHING!

Abohboy:
What is there in that photo that is of any relevance?

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You want solution but you don't want to know the source, how sensible and analytic

Abohboy:
He was asking permission cause i'm the only sensible and analytical one who doesn't argue with emotions or through ethnicity and on top of that i'm actually willing to learn from arguments not just argue

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Very very good so how do u respond to the below, plz no ethnicity and emotional talk but be sensible and analytical.

thebosstrevor1:
Southern Christians stop acting like you love arewa Christians aka Northern Christians. Stop pretending, the only reason you support northern Christians is because you want to pit Northern Christians against northern muslims forgetting that they are both from the same ancestry.

During all the destruction spree caused by ipob and odua nation AGITATORS in the south, did it come to your mind that some of the destroyed properties were owned by Northern Christians. You destroyed it all.

Don't come here and act like you love them when every northern that speaks Hausa is aboki in the south, is a terrorist and a fulani herdmen, don't think you can deceive Northern Christians with your false love, we know if you were given the right opportunity, you won't hesitate to massacre the north whether Christian or muslim because you won't know the difference, northern Christians know your trick, they might be United in religion with the south but they can never trust the Southern Christians. As they say blood is thicker than water, no matter our religious differences, we in the north are United.

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Professional weed smoker
Taliban in suit

thebosstrevor1:
I have come to realise that it is only Christians and Christian nations that always provoke muslims.

Many Christians know that muslims have their own rules and way of life, their is the sharia law, sharia education and sharia banking, infact Islam is a way of life for muslims, many Christians know that but they will always find a way to promote choas and cause conflict by interfering with Islamic traditions and way of life.

I have never met any muslim that will talk bad about Jesus christ or even try to burn the bible but it is Christians that will try to draw Mohammed picture in a scandalous way to provoke the muslims, burn the bible or talk bad about Mohammed wives, when muslims called them out, they will hide their bigotry and hate under freedom of speech to protect their provoking attitude. Even here on nairaland, you will see anti islam monikers all over the place but you will never see a muslim deface christian dieties, Some of them do it purposely to cause chaos and see the reaction of muslim because they know that muslims are emotional and devoted to their religion.

Another instance is, it is the Christian nation that will invade muslim countries and start preaching democracy to them, when they know, democracy has no relation with the principles of leadership in Islam. As a guise, the Christian nation will steal their oil, put tribes against each other and then kill their children, sisters, brothers , mothers and fathers with bombs, when the muslims organize and decides to fight back, they are called Terrorists.

Many Christians know that Saudi Arabia is the holy land of Muslims and that there are certain way which they behave with their women, men and society at large but the Christians will find a way to provoke the people by fighting for so called women right, human right and trying to cause choas even when the muslim society is at peace with it.

The truth is that you will never see a muslim country trying to influence western way of life but anyway the wars created by the Christian countries in muslim countries is already bringing about subtle muslim influences in western culture. immigration of muslim people from war torned muslim countries to western countries is already culturally and politically changing the west.

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Professional Weed smoker, Taliban in suit

omoadeleye:
What i know is that anything relating to Nigeria always have K-legs, that's so bad.

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Ogbeni don't use Government things to rubbish ordinary private hard working Nigerians
CBN lemme tell you useless pass Zenith bank 100 times, Nigerians
Do you know the deal CBN governor and his boys go de make for this deal, they ask to grow Nigeria yet they will never put trust on an average Nigerian
You think I won't support foreigners to take over our Government and politics, is government that developed our Music and Film industries, what have they done for any fintech company rather foreign companies are investing in them

I will always support any private Nigeria companies than any other, you think it is easy to run a company in Nigeria than in Ghana, South Africa or USA.
A Nigerian will run any company in the world than a foreigner running a company in Nigeria

TAO11:
Is everything okay?

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Very very okay just want us to check some Spiritual interpretation, no logic or mathematics just spiritual

omoadeleye:
They reside in Nigeria.

Does it make it Nigerian owned, if Julius Berger do behave like MTN many souls would have gone to d other side

omoadeleye:
GLO network is an indigenous company and they are big and yet still their services are always fvck up.

So MTN service wey de Bleep up any how na Nigerian company

omoadeleye:
I do not blame CBN too, you know how Nigerian companies do fvck up, and e-naira is a big project bigger than one ordinary fintech company.

We don't want any issues where unnecessary downtime problem will just be surfacing while trying to transact the e-naira.

You can even think about the problems someone always face when trying to pay through remita, so all these bvllshits can be frustrating.

So let CBN give the project to the best handler biko.

Nigerian fintech company should buckle up too.

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So how do make them grow?
Plz there is no excuse of whatever you leaders don't have trust in you and you are dancing with them

TAO11:
https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/9#105346648

Please read out their full names as known, I want to check smtin

macof:
Why would I answer a question that has nothing to do with the post you want to challenge
Go and reread the post and reframe your questions if you must

Their are lots of factors surrounding the post, you want to draw conclusion on an issue yet you limit yourselves to the least of all limits instead of broadening the the issues before dissecting it to the very least.

Ok just this 1 simple YES/NO question

I ask you again was any location of the said "imaginary" King ever mentioned anywhere

macof:
Do you comprehend at all? Or you just want to respond even when you have nothing to say?
Because I don't see how this addresses my post

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Sharap and answer the damn question, after all you commander in WEED very well answered the question and even gave names and years

TAO11:
Please get back to me on Ryder, I need you to debunk him.

CANNON ko, KANGAROO ni. Hahah

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Like you debunked spiritual philosophical logical and mathematical existing of the "eyes dare not see" Ogane.

....hehehehehe

TAO11:
https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/9#105346648

I will get back to you on the Ryder of a Guy and his works, pray to OLUDUMARE it doesn't hit you the way the OBA of Benin hit Lagos with Cannon in the year 1602

TAO11:
https://www.nairaland.com/6697675/power-oba-benin-wield-past/9#105346648

Bring something at least pseudo-intelligent as you’ve been doing earlier. Don’t give up quickly.

Peace.

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My dear BobRISKY you can't build on nothing, every house must have a solid foundation
You arguments and summation stand on nothing, your foundation is like basket holding water
You have said nothing since the onset except for calling Joao Alfonso a Dumb
His (Joao Alfonso DAvirieos) progenies will sue you for slandering if they found out what you have done to the name of their father