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Religion / Re: Where In The Bible Did Jesus Mentioned He Is God by kingstarr: 8:13pm On Mar 19, 2013
God the Father is the God of Jesus Christ and the God of Mohammed (SAW), because he is the God of all creation. But if Allah made Christ lord over all things, of what value will it be to obstinately refuse him?

Christians who believe Jesus but live a life of poor spiritual value are no better than infidels. Moslem who do not believe Jesus Christ as son of God but live a life of faith, love and goodness are in the same pedestals as true Christians.

Both the Bible and the Qur'an couldn't have been given by God, they are merely accounts of God-knowing men of old.
Religion / Why Jesus Christ Is God - Part 1 by kingstarr: 11:14am On Mar 16, 2013
THE PARADISE CREATOR SONS

THE Creator Sons are the makers and rulers of the local universes of time and space. These universe creators and sovereigns are of dual origin, embodying the characteristics of God the Father and God the Son. But each Creator Son is different from every other; each is unique in nature as well as in personality; each is the "only-begotten Son" of the perfect deity ideal of his origin.

In the vast work of organizing, evolving, and perfecting a local universe, these high Sons always enjoy the sustaining approval of the Universal Father. The relationship of the Creator Sons with their Paradise Father is touching and superlative. No doubt the profound affection of the Deity parents for their divine progeny is the wellspring of that beautiful and well-nigh divine love which even mortal parents bear their children.

ORIGIN AND NATURE OF CREATOR SONS

When the fullness of absolute spiritual ideation in God the Son encounters the fullness of absolute personality concept in God the Father, when such a creative union is finally and fully attained, when such absolute identity of spirit and such infinite oneness of personality concept occur, then, right then and there, without the loss of anything of personality or prerogative by either of the infinite Deities, there flashes into full-fledged being a new and original Creator Son, the only-begotten Son of the perfect ideal and the powerful idea whose union produces this new creator personality of power and perfection.

Each Creator Son is the only-begotten and only-begettable offspring of the perfect union of the original concepts of the two infinite and eternal and perfect minds of the ever-existent Creators of the universe of universes. There never can be another such Son because each Creator Son is the unqualified, finished, and final expression and embodiment of all of every phase of every feature of every possibility of every divine reality that could, throughout all eternity, ever be found in, expressed by, or evolved from, those divine creative potentials which united to bring this Creator Son into existence. Each Creator Son is the absolute of the united deity concepts which constitute his divine origin.

The divine natures of these Creator Sons are, in principle, derived equally from the attributes of both Paradise parents. All partake of the fullness of the divine nature of the Universal Father and of the creative prerogatives of God the Son, but as we observe the practical outworking of the Creator Sons functions in the universes, we discern apparent differences. Some Creator Sons appear to be more like God the Father; others more like God the Son. For example: The trend of administration in our local universe of Nebadon suggests that its Creator and ruling Son is one whose nature and character more resemble that of God the Son. It should be further stated that some universes are presided over by Paradise Sons who appear equally to resemble God the Father and God the Son. And these observations are in no sense implied criticisms; they are simply a recording of fact.

THE CREATORS OF LOCAL UNIVERSES

The Paradise Creator Sons are the designers, creators, builders, and administrators of their respective domains, the local universes of time and space, the basic creative units of the seven evolutionary superuniverses. A Creator Son is permitted to choose the space site of his future cosmic activity, but before he may begin even the physical organization of his universe, he must spend a long period of observation devoted to the study of the efforts of his older brothers in various creations located in the superuniverse of his projected action. And prior to all this, the Creator Son will have completed his long and unique experience of Paradise observation and Havona training.

When a Creator Son departs from Paradise to embark upon the adventure of universe making, to become the head--virtually the God--of the local universe of his own organization, then, for the first time, he finds himself in intimate contact with, and in many respects dependent upon, the Third Source and Center. The Infinite Spirit, though abiding with the Father and the Son at the center of all things, is destined to function as the actual and effective helper of each Creator Son.

Therefore is each Creator Son accompanied by a Creative Daughter of the Infinite Spirit, that being who is destined to become the Divine Minister, the Mother Spirit of the new local universe.

The departure of a Creator Son on this occasion forever liberates his creator prerogatives from the Paradise Sources and Centers, subject only to certain limitations inherent in the pre-existence of these Sources and Centers and to certain other antecedent powers and presences. Among these limitations to the otherwise all-powerful creator prerogatives of a local universe Father are the following:

1. Energy-matter is dominated by the Infinite Spirit. Before any new forms of things, great or small, may be created, before any new transformations of energy-matter may be attempted, a Creator Son must secure the consent and working co-operation of the Infinite Spirit.

2. Creature designs and types are controlled by the God the Son. Before a Creator Son may engage in the creation of any new type of being, any new design of creature, he must secure the consent of God the Son.

3. Personality is designed and bestowed by the God the Father. The types and patterns of mind are determined by the precreature factors of being. After these have been associated to constitute a creature (personal or otherwise), mind is the endowment of the Infinite Spirit.

The control of spirit designs and types depends on the level of their manifestation. In the last analysis, spiritual design is controlled by the Trinity or by the pre-Trinity spirit endowments of the Trinity personalities--Father, Son, and Spirit. When such a perfect and divine Son has taken possession of the space site of his chosen universe; when the initial problems of universe materialization and of gross equilibrium have been resolved; when he has formed an effective and co-operative working union with the complemental Daughter of the Infinite Spirit--then do this Universe Son and this Universe Spirit initiate that liaison which is designed to give origin to the innumerable hosts of their local universe children. In connection with this event the Creative Spirit focalization of the Paradise Infinite Spirit becomes changed in nature, taking on the personal qualities of the Mother Spirit of a local universe.

Notwithstanding that all Creator Sons are divinely like their Paradise parents, none exactly resembles another; each is unique, diverse, exclusive, and original in nature as well as in personality. And since they are the architects and makers of the life plans of their respective realms, this very diversity insures that their domains will also be diverse in every form and phase of derived living existence which may be created or subsequently evolved therein. Hence the orders of creatures native to the local universes are quite varied. No two are administered or inhabited by dual-origin native beings who are in all respects identical. Within any superuniverse, one half of their inherent attributes are quite alike, being derived from the uniform Creative Spirits; the other half vary, being derived from the diversified Creator Sons. But such diversity does not characterize those creatures of sole origin in the Creative Spirit nor those imported beings who are native to the central or superuniverses.

When a Creator Son is absent from his universe, its government is directed by the first-born native being, the Bright and Morning Star, the local universe chief executive. The advice and counsel of the Union of Days is invaluable at such times. During these absences a Creator Son is able to invest the associated Mother Spirit with the overcontrol of his spiritual presence on the inhabited worlds and in the hearts of his mortal children. And the Mother Spirit of a local universe remains always at its headquarters, extending her fostering care and spiritual ministry to the uttermost parts of such an evolutionary domain.

The personal presence of a Creator Son in his local universe is not necessary to the smooth running of an established material creation. Such Sons may journey to Paradise, and still their universes swing on through space. They may lay down their lines of power to incarnate as the children of time; still their realms whirl on about their respective centers. No material organization is independent of the absolute-gravity grasp of Paradise or of the cosmic overcontrol inherent in the space presence of the Unqualified Absolute.


LOCAL UNIVERSE SOVEREIGNTY

A Creator Son is given the range of a universe by the consent of the Paradise Trinity and with the confirmation of the supervising Master Spirit of the superuniverse concerned. Such action constitutes title of physical possession, a cosmic leasehold. But the elevation of a Creator Son from this initial and self-limited stage of rulership to the experiential supremacy of self-earned sovereignty comes as a result of his own personal experiences in the work of universe creation and incarnated bestowal. Until the achievement of bestowal-earned sovereignty, he rules as vicegerent of the Universal Father.

A Creator Son could assert full sovereignty over his personal creation at any time, but he wisely chooses not to. If, prior to passing through the creature bestowals, he assumed an unearned supreme sovereignty, the Paradise personalities resident in his local universe would withdraw. But this has never happened throughout all the creations of time and space.

The fact of creatorship implies the fullness of sovereignty, but the Creator Sons choose to experientially earn it, thereby retaining the full co-operation of all Paradise personalities attached to the local universe administration. We know of no Creator Son who ever did otherwise; but they all could, they are truly freewill Sons.

The sovereignty of a Creator Son in a local universe passes through six, perhaps seven, stages of experiential manifestation. These appear in the following order:

1. Initial vicegerent sovereignty--the solitary provisional authority exercised by a Creator Son before the acquirement of personal qualities by the associated Creative Spirit.

2. Conjoint vicegerent sovereignty--the joint rule of the Paradise pair subsequent to the personality achievement of the Universe Mother Spirit.

3. Augmenting vicegerent sovereignty--the advancing authority of a Creator Son during the period of his seven creature bestowals.

4. Supreme sovereignty--the settled authority following the completion of the seventh bestowal. In Nebadon, supreme sovereignty dates from the completion of Christ's bestowal on Earth. It has existed just slightly over nineteen hundred years of our planetary time.

5. Augmenting supreme sovereignty--the advanced relationship growing out of the settling of a majority of the creature domains in light and life. This stage pertains to the unachieved future of your local universe.

6. Trinitarian sovereignty--exercised subsequent to the settling of the entire local universe in light and life.

7. Unrevealed sovereignty--the unknown relationships of a future universe age.

In accepting the initial vicegerent sovereignty of a projected local universe, a Creator Son takes an oath to the Trinity not to assume supreme sovereignty until the seven creature bestowals have been completed and certified by the superuniverse rulers. But if a Creator Son could not, at will, assert such unearned sovereignty, there would be no meaning in taking an oath not to do so.

Even in the prebestowal ages a Creator Son rules his domain well-nigh supremely when there is no dissent in any of its parts. Limited rulership would hardly be manifest if sovereignty were never challenged. The sovereignty exercised by a prebestowal Creator Son in a universe without rebellion is no greater than in a universe with rebellion; but in the first instance sovereignty limitations are not apparent; in the second, they are.

If ever the authority or administration of a Creator Son is challenged, attacked, or jeopardized, he is eternally pledged to uphold, protect, defend, and if necessary retrieve his personal creation. Such Sons can be troubled or harassed only by the creatures of their own making or by higher beings of their own choosing. It might be inferred that "higher beings," those of origin on levels above a local universe, would be unlikely to trouble a Creator Son, and this is true. But they could if they chose to. Virtue is volitional with personality; righteousness is not automatic in freewill creatures.

Before the completion of the bestowal career a Creator Son rules with certain self-imposed limitations of sovereignty, but subsequent to his finished bestowal service he rules by virtue of his actual experience in the form and likeness of his manifold creatures. When a Creator has seven times sojourned among his creatures, when the bestowal career is finished, then is he supremely settled in universe authority; he has become a Master Son, a sovereign and supreme ruler.

The technique of obtaining supreme sovereignty over a local universe involves the following seven experiential steps:

1. Experientially to penetrate seven creature levels of being through the technique of incarnated bestowal in the very likeness of the creatures on the level concerned.

2. To make an experiential consecration to each phase of the sevenfold will of Paradise Deity as it is personified in the Seven Master Spirits.

3. To traverse each of the seven experiences on the creature levels simultaneously with the execution of one of the seven consecrations to the will of Paradise Deity.

4. On each creature level, experientially to portray the acme of creature life to Paradise Deity and to all universe intelligences.

5. On each creature level, experientially to reveal one phase of the sevenfold will of Deity to the bestowal level and to all the universe.

6. Experientially to unify the sevenfold creature experience with the sevenfold experience of consecration to the revelation of the nature and will of Deity.

7. To achieve new and higher relationship with the Supreme Being. The repercussion of the totality of this Creator-creature experience augments the superuniverse reality of God the Supreme and the time-space sovereignty of the Almighty Supreme and factualizes the supreme local universe sovereignty of a Paradise Son.

In settling the question of sovereignty in a local universe, the Creator Son is not only demonstrating his own fitness to rule but is also revealing the nature and portraying the sevenfold attitude of the Paradise Deities. The finite understanding and creature appreciation of the Father's primacy is concerned in the adventure of a Creator Son when he condescends to take upon himself the form and experiences of his creatures. These primary Paradise Sons are the real revealers of the Father's loving nature and beneficent authority, the same Father who, in association with the Son and the Spirit, is the universal head of all power, personality, and government throughout all the universal realms.
Religion / Re: NYSC Christain Female Corper That Put On Trouser You Are Playing With Hell by kingstarr: 9:11am On Mar 16, 2013
Goshen360:

It's simply because the Old and New operates under different covenants. When God was ready to begin the New Covenant whereby the Non-Jews, Gentiles will be engrafted into His plans and purpose for mankind, there's need to change from law to Grace. Therefore, Christ become the one that bridged the gap making the Jews and Gentiles ONE in God's family. I'm too weary for now to start quoting scriptures, hence, I will simply state the point.


If the truth must be told, Goshen360, you are not a confused person but obviously you do not have the understanding of certain truth.

The Greeks and Romans and all the so-called gentiles of the times of Christ were no more gentiles than the Pharisees who opposed the ministry of the most high.

God had never at any-time had dealings with a single race to the exclusion of all other races. Right from the beginning of the world God has been dealing with all mankind and manifesting himself especially to the righteous ones.

Jesus came among the Jews because at the time of his advent, the Hebrew practiced the highest ideals of truth and had the highest understanding about the personality, nature and character of God. These same Ideal and understanding had long been prevalent in Asia and India and other parts of the world. Palestine was just a most suitable environment for Christ to grow up in, thats all!

The mission of Christ on earth was not to bring salvation to the people of Earth. Christ came to give us the assurance of His Salvation, the same salvation which had been in operation long before the times of Adam.

Being from Paradise and resplendent of perfection, Christ came to show us a better understanding of God and a better way of life. Substituting pacifism for belligerence, faith for fear, joy for sorrow, etc.

And just like science, religion has been growing in the experience of man right from the beginning of the world but it attained its acme in the experience of the human Christ.

Christ is the way, the truth and life and no one attains the presence of the father but through him because in him all things consist.

And let it be know to you that everyone, including a Moslem, who does not revere Christ more than we revere John the Baptist, and all those who nerver heard about Jesus, will go to heaven on the last day if they lived a life of truthfulness, faith and goodness serving God.
Religion / Re: NYSC Christain Female Corper That Put On Trouser You Are Playing With Hell by kingstarr: 6:13pm On Mar 15, 2013
Highyo,

M't:12:1: At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
M't:12:2: But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.

Do you think Christ used his disciples to break the law in the scripture by indulging them? Modern day Pharisees like you are the ones twisting Christianity.
Religion / Re: Where In The Bible Did Jesus Mentioned He Is God by kingstarr: 1:01pm On Mar 15, 2013
beejaay:
have u ever considered taking a training on akashic record keeping and reading. i have been contemplating on trying it out but most times i get skeptical about what i might find out (maybe i still need to personal realization more or u think i should just go for help right away?). you and Billyonaire come across as someone that knows more about self realization. pls your reply will be appreciated

Some of your strongest desires I guess is to be able to access the Akashic records. But you vehemently refuse to listen to people who access these records effortlessly but not frivolously.

Jesus Christ did not come to dispute the truthful realities, before his advent. He only came to show us a higher concept of them. And we are obliged to trust him because of the following truth:

Joh:10:9: I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Joh:14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

If you access the book of life through Christ, you do not need to fear what you would encounter. If you access these records in disregards to the provisions for accessing it of which you are not aware, then you know you would be "exposing your network on a public IP without a firewall."

Our eternal firewall against grievous errors is the Lord Jesus Christ.
Religion / Re: NYSC Christain Female Corper That Put On Trouser You Are Playing With Hell by kingstarr: 12:48pm On Mar 15, 2013
Do you aver that the Holy Spirit is no longer at the acme of perfection? Was the idea of making a suspected adulterous wife drink from a bowl of unhygienic concoction a perfect ideal for settling such dispute? But it was assumed that the law backing up such traditional practice was enacted by God because it was found in the scriptures. God could never have had a hand in such practice, it was totally the way of man and are you surprised it found its way into the scriptures under the pretext that it is God's will?

Peter was merely observing a tradition supported by the scriptures when Paul rebuked him regarding the acceptable lifestyle for a true believer. Was the Holy Spirit in Paul contradicting itself in Peter?

The bible is the experience of God seeking men, race and individuals. And all over the scriptures these men were found to grow from concept to higher concepts about God and each time they did advance, they inadvertently adjusted their ways to conform with the new ideals; freeing themselves from the previous material, intellectual and spiritual encumbrance.

No matter how scriptural you are, if you refuse to believe and adopt the truth of a better ideal about the reality of God, the Holy Spirit doesn't open your head and put them in, He just wait until that time when your material and intellectual environment and capability are ripe enough for spiritual endowments. Refusal of the truth makes the Holy Spirit grieve and labour seemingly endlessly in getting us unto the right understanding.

The universal truth here is that female corp members who wear trousers may be breaking church rules, even pastors bend the rules when it suits them, but these corp members are not breaking any Law of God in anyway. They have done the right thing by covering themselves appropriately for the anticipated endeavour, to me that is preparation.
Religion / Re: NYSC Christain Female Corper That Put On Trouser You Are Playing With Hell by kingstarr: 11:53pm On Mar 14, 2013
Bro Highyo, you should realise that it is only a "highyocritic" Peter like you who would break away from the eating table because some fellow Jews came into the room. But enlightened Pauls like us who know that physical circumcision is just a hygienic practice and that it is the circumcision of the heart - making the heart hygienic - that is more important because it helps to coordinate the thoughts, and channel mind energy in a profitable direction. Remember the mind is the domain of the holy spirit. If the holy spirit is actually in you then you would know that the wearing of trousers for a woman in certain condition is the highest ideal; best thing to do. If the scripture told you not to wear trouser as a woman, remember the scripture also had earlier to the Isrealites about holy and unholy meat. But the Holy Spirit in the mind of Paul led him to a better truth. For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence. Rom:14:20: It is the motive for wanting to wear a trouser that should be scrutinize and not the act of wearing a trouser. Now you see, it is a personal responsibility and certainly not your business. Besides the Holy Spirit in me is better than the scriptures, because when the laws are written in your heart you become enlightened and you no longer need a bible to settle issues like this.
Religion / Re: Where In The Bible Did Jesus Mentioned He Is God by kingstarr: 8:38pm On Mar 12, 2013
beejaay:
have u ever considered taking a training on akashic record keeping and reading. i have been contemplating on trying it out but most times i get skeptical about what i might find out (maybe i still need to personal realization more or u think i should just go for help right away?). you and Billyonaire come across as someone that knows more about self realization. pls your reply will be appreciated

Now you are seeking a material medium as portal for your personality realization. Waste of time! The major difference between Jesus and the other prophets is that most of them heavily relied on material medium for contact with spiritual functions, but Jesus merely speaks the word or just exercise a silent WILL to achieve his desires. Even though he did not condemn the use of materials; like he used the clay on the blind man, from his life we can deduce that Jesus was showing us a better method for access to God. Just purge your conscience and trust the spirit within you then you would experience the divine relationship that leads to the experience of absolute mortal personality manifestations.
Religion / Re: Where In The Bible Did Jesus Mentioned He Is God by kingstarr: 7:44pm On Mar 11, 2013
dapsonlou: God is our father, because he is the creator, when Jesus said Hes the son of GOd, hes not saying that God gave birth to Him, but he was created by God, People need to open Up there minds and think beyond the words... Lord means master not God, most people thing the word Lord means God.

Jesus is the son of God. The Absolute representation of God the Father. The word used by the bible is "begotten." He is the direct son of God and his being is different from created beings. Jesus Christ is a creator. Divine Creators are not created they are begotten and this is how they acquire their creative prerogatives.

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Religion / Re: Was The Fall Of Man Designed? by kingstarr: 1:20pm On Mar 09, 2013
God has been successfully dealing with the affairs of man - bringing man through the evolutionary path of existence to attains God's presence in heaven - long long time before the fall of man on earth.

Our world is not the only inhabited planet and there are lots of planets where there is no such confusion about the reality of God as we experience here on earth simply because there has been no "fall of man" on such planets.

The "fall of man", nevertheless influenced by the devil, was wholly the choice of Adam and Eve. God did not will it neither did he sustain the plan to fruition.
Religion / Re: What Did Jesus Do For A Living? What Was His Occupation? by kingstarr: 10:01pm On Mar 08, 2013
logicboy:


Christianity is based on lies, sorry.

Christianity is based on the life and teachings of Our Lord Jesus Christ is probably what you meant to say.

You would be correct to say some accounts in the bible contradict the revealed nature of and concept about God.

Agreed. The Scriptures, Holy Bible or Holy Quoran, are sacred because they present the thoughts and acts of men who were searching for God, and who in these writings left on record their highest concepts of righteousness, truth, and holiness. The Scriptures contain much that is true, very much, but in the light of our present teachings, we know that these writings also contain much that is misrepresentative of the Father in heaven, the loving God whom Jesus Christ came to reveal to all the world.

Never permit yourself for one moment to believe the Scripture records which tell you that the God of love directed your forefathers to go forth in battle to slay all their enemies--men, women, and children. Such records are the words of men, not very holy men, and they are not the word of God. The Scriptures always have, and always will, reflect the intellectual, moral, and spiritual status of those who create them. Have you not noted that the concepts of Yahweh grow in beauty and glory as the prophets make their records from Samuel to Isaiah? And you should remember that the Scriptures are intended for religious instruction and spiritual guidance. They are not the works of either historians or philosophers.

Many earnest seekers after the truth have been, and will continue to be, confused and disheartened by these doctrines of the perfection of the Scriptures. Obviously the bible is not a perfect compendium but it contains the word of God together with the experience of God seekers of ancient times.
Religion / Re: But Why Did Jesus Had To Die For Us...god Could Have Just Forgiven Us by kingstarr: 2:18pm On Mar 08, 2013
The idea that Christ actually came to live a life on Earth so that he can die a sacrificial death is primitive and ungodly. Jesus Christ was not supposed to live in human form forever because it was part of the plan for him to pass through the portals of natural death. His mission was chiefly to live the mortal experience while revealing the true nature of God. His death, nevertheless its positive repercussions, was more of a personal thing to him rather than a necessity for the atonement of sins. Jesus had been forgiving human and spirit beings long before he came to the world to live as a man.
Religion / Re: NYSC Christain Female Corper That Put On Trouser You Are Playing With Hell by kingstarr: 2:04pm On Mar 08, 2013
kacyfine: how long ll pple of the world keep finding excuseses for der sin.you re using human intelectual to interprete God words my broda God is watching u wiv 3D

By the time you know it you would realise those 3d God is using are actually to guide and protect our female trouser wearers as long as they are on his side.
Religion / Re: Where In The Bible Did Jesus Mentioned He Is God by kingstarr: 1:59pm On Mar 08, 2013
Geewan:

Divine administrative policy ko, divine bureaucratic policy ni! Who created all things within our universe including you and I? Definitely not Jesus (Isa,PBUH)!

If Jesus(Isa, PBUH) is a son of God, what about Adam(PBUH)? They both have no earthly father remember?

At least we are making headway. Jesus (Isa, PBUH) is not almighty God. I think we all agree on that.

To the second question: when we say Jesus (Isa,PBUH) is a son of God what are we talking about?

When we say Jesus Christ is the son of God we mean that Jesus Christ enjoys a direct line of descent from God the Father. Humans are the creation of the agencies of God the father by the mandate of God the father, but Christ is personally begotten of God.

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Religion / Re: But Why Did Jesus Had To Die For Us...god Could Have Just Forgiven Us by kingstarr: 1:39pm On Mar 08, 2013
This is one big questions Christian leader have precluded themselves from asking nor answering because Christianity has taught us to dwell on the repercussion of the life of Christ rather than dwelling on the essence of the life of Christ on Earth.

Let me start by positing if there hadnt been a Lucifer rebellion, if there wasnt an Adamic Default, if there was no sin in the world; Christ would still have come to live and die as a man. Because it was the responsibility of his class of being, it is the way to reveal a higher concept of God to the material man and it was a requirement if he is to lay claim to absolute sovereignty of his personal Universe.
Religion / Re: NYSC Christain Female Corper That Put On Trouser You Are Playing With Hell by kingstarr: 1:26pm On Mar 08, 2013
Bacteriocin: You are playing with hell: NA TOY?
Why deeper life ladies wear skirt and wear tight underneath? U for say make ladies go dey climb rope with skirt? Na true say common sense no common o!

The OP is like Peter who drew a sword to defend Jesus. Fanatical! Right?
Some Christians have extemporised religious experience by over analyzing religion. If the trouser is the only available material to cover unclothedness in a camp situation would it be right to refuse wearing it? Even the anaesthetic you take contain a measure of cocaine. Does that make you a sinner?
Religion / Re: Was The Fall Of Man Designed? by kingstarr: 1:02pm On Mar 08, 2013
InesQor: No be small thing o

Is that all you'd say? lol!
Religion / Re: Where In The Bible Did Jesus Mentioned He Is God by kingstarr: 12:19pm On Mar 08, 2013
ifeness:

Everyone is divine and eternal,whether you accept that or not. If you think you are not,that is good for you. well i am and lets leave it that way. If you think you cannot survive with Jesus,that is your opinion. My ancestors survived without the Jewish guy,so will i!


Of-course, you believe in life after death. Maybe you believe in heaven and hell too. And I agree with you that: a non-fanatical approach to the personality of Christ and his mission on earth does not preclude eternal survival. All that is required for eternity survival is the embrace of truth in wisdom and the worship of God the father. But the knowledge of the fact that all spiritual activities necessary for our eternity survival are controlled by God through Christ because we originated in his universe domain and we are his personal creation.
Religion / Re: Was The Fall Of Man Designed? by kingstarr: 11:24am On Mar 08, 2013
God is not, however, personally responsible for the conduct of all spirit personalities. The will of the personal creature is relatively free and hence determines the actions of such volitional beings. Therefore the freewill spirit world is not always truly representative of the character of God, even as nature on Earth is not truly revelatory of the perfection and immutability of Paradise and Deity. But no matter what may characterize the freewill action of man or angel, God's eternal grasp of the universal gravity control of all spirit realities continues as absolute.

God did not pre-plan the fall of man but God is able to uphold his creation.
Religion / Re: Where In The Bible Did Jesus Mentioned He Is God by kingstarr: 10:40am On Mar 08, 2013
Geewan:

You are a god, idols are gods, dogs are gods, lizards and every other thing he created are gods. Therefore it will be absolutely right for me to referred to you as dog. Definitely you won't buy that no matter how much you likes dogs.

I am not here to talk about whether Jesus (Isa, PBUH) is god or not, I'm here to talk about whether he is the Almighty God or not. Jesus (Isa, PBUH) is not almighty God and he will never be. He is a messenger of Allah. Jesus (Isa, PBUH) definitely didn't created heaven and earth.

Do you even know the consequence if my father is a king and I went about saying I am a king while he is still alive? The worst I can be referred to is "Omo Oba" or "Oba lola" nothing more.

Do you also know what will be the consequence for a president elect who goes about calling himself president before he is sworn in?

Even the verses you quoted get as e be. You're still begging the questions eni.

I need verses where Jesus (Isa, PBUH) said he is Almighty God.

Still waiting...

Yes! Jesus Christ is not God the Father but if you understand the Divine Administrative Policy operating in the Grand universe then you would agree with me that Jesus Christ is God in our Universe because he is the only God-begotten son in our Universe and he created all things within our Universe, including you and I.

Col:1:16: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col:1:17: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

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Religion / Re: Where In The Bible Did Jesus Mentioned He Is God by kingstarr: 10:27am On Mar 08, 2013
ifeness:

I do not need to have an encounter with Jesus. He was only human like myself. He ate,drank and even shitt like me. He claimed he was god which i am too. He said anything he did i could do also. He took time to be alone and meditate,which i do also. He was aware of his higher self, so am i aware that there is a spirit side of me which i am only a physical reflection of.

The point is, he was around people who were not aware of how powerful they were. he was an enlightened dude among religious people. He created no law but instead debunked them.example; Harlots and wayward children were to be stoned to death,animal sacrifices offered to Yahweh,non Jew hated and considered to be slaves. He debunked those ideas....he asked if anyone hadn't committed a crime to caste the first stone,all children should come unto him etc I say homosexuals should not be dehumanized,is that not what Jesus would have said? If you have that consciousness he had,you will realize he was no different from you and i,but only advanced and aware of what should be. The story of the good Samaritan by far the best story he told; LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF, DO TO OTHERS WHAT YOU WILL HAVE THEM DO TO YOU!

He taught people on the mountain like you would do to kids. He couldn't have taught them more than that,otherwise they would be confused. He had to use stories like you do to kids. What you do not know was the mysteries behind his miracles. Who could he have told anyway?

Therefore,if you consider Jesus as your god,you have missed the point....SUCH A WASTE OF LIFE! you wont know anything more.




Now I get your point. But as a person who tends to place himself on the same pedestal as Jesus The Christ, do you think there is anything this Jesus can ever offer you that would be of eternal value? And lest I forget, I agree with you that there is a spirit side of you but I refuse to agree that you are totally a reflection of that Divine Spirit. Because, that same spirit is groaning inside of you hoping that someday you would embrace the truth revolving around you.

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Religion / Re: Was The Fall Of Man Designed? by kingstarr: 9:34am On Mar 08, 2013
inurmind: Great question op, good to see you questioning. God appears to be this all knowing, all powerful, all loving deity, yet he still keeps investing in things he knows will fail, he doesn't bother to stop those things from failing, and heck! He watches thousands of people suffer for things that could have been avoided.
When you study the bible objectively you will notice god doesn't seem to be so wise or loving as he claims he is, just irrational and highly impulsive, he seems to have all the weaknesses the average guy has although he claims to be perfect.
Another example to prove his irrationality is in 1 kings 21. Here god forgives a man for his sins, yet passes it on to his innocent unborn children. There's also other cases like of handing over the victim of a sexual assault to her assaulter, killing innocent people who never bothered you just because you want to take over their land as in the case of Jericho (I mean if god was so powerful and humane why didn't he just turn the wilderness into a fertile land?), infact the whole idea of attacking a set of people in defense of another set when you created them all sounds ridiculous. Imagine if a parent was doing that? Wouldn't you call that parent childish? But when it comes to the case of God we keep silent because he's...well...God.
The more you study the bible the more it seems like a book written by primitive minded and probably bored shepherds, only if we could be bold enough to accept that.

Great observation there. Reading the bible reveals the fact that most religious people living prior to the advent of Christ did not have as much knowledge of the truth as we do today. Some of these guys thought of God as sending lying spirits to the heart of man when it pleases him. Some of them thinks God does terrible things sometimes and then repents of the evil. But a time came when another understood a higher concept of God and proclaimed "God is not a man that he should lie neither a son of man that he should repent." And this is why certain accounts in the bible are not as spiritually relevant as they are intellectually relevant for today. God is ABSOLUTE and his nature is love. Even though the world is imperfect, God says heaven is and I think we should believe him.

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Religion / Re: Where In The Bible Did Jesus Mentioned He Is God by kingstarr: 9:03am On Mar 08, 2013
I think this debate is more of one between CHRISTIANS and MOSLEMS and it is arising out of the misconceptions about the personality, attitude and attributes of God by both sides of the arguments. If the word of God says "this is my only begotten son" and God said "this is my beloved son" then I think we are obliged to accept him as God. Afterall, a prince is always raised to become a King. Jesus is the only prince and even though he can never metamorphose into the person of God the Father, he will always maintain control over his jurisdiction where all power has been given to him. He is Lord and God as far as humans are concerned. He is the way, the truth and life. It is of an intellectual advantage if the human mind conceive Jesus as Lord and God.

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