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aaronson:
I'm sure if God truly exist, he wouldn't have approved of this belligerent words of Oyedepo, Not to mention how Jesus was manhandled, trialed and crucified but he never cursed anybody and even prayed for their forgiveness so, if Oyedepo was going by the scriptures he just deviated by being belligerent and petty. Only an ignorant man on the street acts this way but your know the funniest part right now.

All his followers worldwide would applaud to this foolishness by Oyedepo and say God is using him.


Ignorance is bliss.

you are a muslim from indication , now hear this as funalis herds men are killing innocent and you are spewing nonsense so shall you and your be killed at the prime of your life.

Biglittlelois:
As a redeem member, i'm ashamed of Osinbajo

please don't be ashamed of osibanjo, enjoy it ooo, was is not redeem church leadership that played down on the warnings from pastors Boidun message about the islamazation agenda Of this government . But adeboye up till now has not said anything about the recent spate of attack on Christians. Because of politics is a shame on him.

NwaAmaikpe:



Please what's the essence of the driver's survival, when his only means of survival has been damaged beyond repair?

It will take only an insane person to talk the way you just did. Instead of you to be thankful to God for saving the drivers life, you are busy vomiting nonsense about what is the essence of his survival when his only means of survival has been damaged beyond repair, so you wish him dead? You forgot that when there's life, there's hope. Infact I shouldn't be talking to you because I know you are not well.

See it a shame how pastors twist the Bible for earthly gains. Giving to the poor was giving to God. In the bible and yet they said you must bring it to o Church

asuustrike2009:
God hates thieves in any form.

please support your claim with the scriptures if Malachi is applicable to us as Christians , when we are not under The law. Please read those Bible verses above. Expect you just choose to close your eyes to the sound truth of the glorious Gospel.

Also read Roman's 3:19-22
KJV:Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
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KJV:Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
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KJV:But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
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KJV:Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Also read roman's 10:4-5
KJV:For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
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KJV:For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.

Please may daddy GO has not read these portion of the scriptures or am I the only one seeing it.

sonofthunder:
why? so the Church can be condemned on unverified claims?

mr the claim is verified OK. I will not put up here if it was not verified, OK let's even assume that it was a Fiction is it right or wrong for pastor salary to be slashed because of low turnout of members.

Now to those supporting the hell fire for no tithe payers school of thought please read Gal 3:1-24. And let God speak to you.

KJV:O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
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KJV:This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
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KJV:Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
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KJV:Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
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KJV:He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
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KJV:Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
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KJV:Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
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KJV:And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
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KJV:So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
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KJV:For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
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KJV:But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
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KJV:And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
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KJV:Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
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KJV:That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
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KJV:Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.
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KJV:Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
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KJV:And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
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KJV:For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
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KJV:Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
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KJV:Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
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KJV:Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
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KJV:But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
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KJV:But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
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KJV:Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
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KJV:But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
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KJV:For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
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KJV:For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
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KJV:There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
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KJV:And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Moderate please can you move this topic to front page.

Ok

Now let me say this @OP, every woman needs a leader, and leadership is influenced not by dominance. You have to stand up and take the leadership position as the man that you are. Every woman behaves most times like the horse which you need to put a reins on them to control their actions. There should consequences for bad behavior, if there is no consequences for bad behavior then there will anarchy within the home.

I strongly recommend that you take out time to go see your wife sit her down and talk some sense into her. That if such actions repeat itself again you will send her back to her parents house, also put her family in the copy too; that if their Duaghter continue this way that separation is inevitable, then watch their responses and then you will truly know where are loyalty lies.

You can also engaged the advice of her Pastor or anybody you think she reverence or hold in high esteem. That can help too.

Break up. No true Christian will marry a Muslim.

EverGlorious:
I know a lot people here are going to bash me for this but it's okay. I'm not the right or worthy person to say this but since no one here have no plans of saying this its good people know the Truth.

First of all, the true author of Christianity is Jesus Christ himself and not the 'white people'. This has been a sad misconception for a very long time till now. If I write a book and I want you and your whole family, friends and relations to read it and know it, and live by it and I give it to you first to read it and pass on, that doesn't make you the owner or creator of the book, you where just privileged to share it to other people. The white people don't own Christianity neither did they create it. And it's not 'black' mentality, for all those that'll always like to give themselves an excuse to do wrong. Well that's by the way. And FYI it's proper name is Christian marriage and not 'white wedding'.

In order for your marriage to be truly valid, three things must check, if any one is left out, your marriage is incomplete and may suffer in future (and by then the only people you can point at is your village people):
- the hospital
- the family
- the church

- the hospital has to check in the sense that the couple has to find out their compatibility status or else they'll be doing their children, their pockets and even their self serious bad. Compatibility status like your genotype, blood group, and any other related tests in the hospital/lab.

- the family has to check in the sense that both couples families have to agree and consent to giving their children away (though this is mostly the case of the woman). In some countries there's nothing like traditional marriage. They just fix a dinner where the families come together and know themselves and agree on what's up. But here in Nigeria culture, we do ours in an amazing manner where both families come together and the ladies family gives her hand out to the other family and they come to an agreement, in a grand style. This is our culture and this is good, very good.

But my friend your marriage is not yet complete, yes you've gotten your parents blessings, fine. But you see marriage is a special gift, a sacrament from God. And if he has given us such great gift, won't it be fitting that he bless it for us through his servants, our ministers in our Church?

- the church has to check in the sense that every marriage has to be blessed and bonded by God through His ministers so no one can put asunder. Yes I know, people seize this moment to point at the broken 'Christian' homes, cheating husbands/wives and co., but if you understand God you'll know that he allows some things just to test our faith. Constant prayer is needed in every marriage, in every home. Christian marriage is not to make your marriage known to the world, but rather to make your marriage known to God, to bring God into your marriage. It can be done between you, your spouse and the priest/pastor of your church. The misconception nowadays is that you must invite the whole world before you know you've done Christian marriage. And that's why many people shy away and give lousy excuses why it's not important and unnecessary. Now I tell you, a Christian marriage can be done between you and your spouse and a few family members. You don't have to do it big. Cut your coat according to your size. Besides the Christian marriage has nothing to do with the reception. It's just additional celebration.

Sorry this had to be this long. To answer your questions if you haven't gotten it by now, NO, Christians are not allowed to have sex after Traditional marriage because the marriage ain't valid yet until the Christian marriage.

you talk out of sentiment , now show me in the bible that it only pastors that have powers to bless marriage. Once your parents bless you, you are blessed

Is not a new thing now, not having light is a normal distribution in Nigeria, but having light is an abnormal distribution.

This tithe issue self tire me. I will the first Nigeria pastor to come out on air and speak against tithe on air. Watch out and see. Tithing is a scam. Just as joining couple in the Church does not have biblical bearing.

petra1:
ANOTHER SATANIC SPONSORED CAMPAIGN
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Over 90% percent of pastors have a job and don’t repend on funds . Some of them are your colleagues at work . Pastors are mostly volunteers like you . Church money does not belong to the pastor . Every ministry has financial structure . A pastor cannot make expenditure without authorization from the headquarter . Except some who may have percentage allocated for running cost to pay workers salary curl generator etcA pastor cannot make e Even many general overseer , hiring chord or hall rent equipment maintain ace etc . Most churches will not even send someone out to pastor without him having a good job . Most pastors use this monies to pay church rent etc . Satan is attacking the body of christ . He’s after the sheep . And the system is simply to strike the shepherd to scatter the sheep . It’s the pastor who intercede for the sheep counsell prays heals , cast out Devi’s . Teaches them to make Success out of their lives . Have you ever wonder why with all these campaigns over the years the Christians still have strong commitment ? Are they so dumb ? It’s simply because of the results in their lives .

If a pastor is wealthy , it’s not from church money . Apart from
The fact that most pastors are lay workers . People give gifts of appreciation to the man who has served them .

Luke 8:3 (KJV)
3 And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod's steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

Only a ban Luli of pastors serve full time in denominations and that is if their responsibilities require that . They may have to be asked to resign their jobs. A pastor give like every other christian . They are not the one taking offering .Some only see what comes into church from book record . They are only steward s

my friend pack well jor, is either you eating from the church money. Or you a zombified follower

Chevronstaff:
This daddy freeze sha....smh for this lost soul....

what makes you think he is a lost soul.

odimbannamdi:
You gave a non-contextual interpretation of that verse, sir. You simply took out the agricultural product part, completely ignoring the other parts.

In those days, there were little use of money as most items were procured by products' exchange. So, agric products were almost equivalent to present day money.

Of course, we cant all bring our "products" (and services) to God as tithe today. We bring money equivalent.

From that verse, Jesus appreciated the Pharisees for paying their tithes, but he encoyraged them to participate in weightier issue of life. This implies that the tithe is good and biblical, but should be done alongside other good things

and Jesus Christ also appreciated the existence of the Sabbath day, Luke 4:16, Jesus recognized the Sabbath day. So why are Pentecostal church not practicing the Sabbath day to keep it holy. There nothing you tithe folks want say your bishops and pastors have failed ours.

[quote author=ogatboy post=62272483]Okay, Nigerians are the real black people with black mentality. Tithing is a personal issue between man and God. Judas was the treasurer, what money was he keeping and how did they get it?? People quote scripture to defend their ignorance. Talking about alms giving, Christ said when you give alms do not blow your trumpet as the Pharisees do. Churches do more than you think, they don't have to make it public. We'll do what you believe and what works for you. No body forces you to pay tithe as no body forces you to accept Christ.

No wonder public religious debate is banned in counties like France. [ /quote]see it folks like that quotes scripture to back their ignorance , the money that Judas was keeping what makes you think tithes was part of it. States it with scriptural prove. And as for the church giving to charity is a big lie , if any church in Nigeria give massively to charity and scholarship constitently the whole Nigeria will know , is not about all this Media propaganda people do.

Penalty82:
Outline the laws that was changed in those verses.

my all the laws have been change OK.

Penalty82:
The Old Testament say we should pay tithe and the New Testament supported it by referring us to the tithe Ibrahim paid to Melchizedek.

Hebrews 7;
1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

how many times did Abraham paid tithes, and if you down on that same Hebrew 7:12, KJV:For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
ESV:For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.
NIV:For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.
AMP:For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is of necessity an alteration of the law [concerning the priesthood] as well. So please explain this verse 12 .

highchief1:
ur mum must be a native fowl

oboy u must be a comedian

kingjooo:
Please to the ladies i need help urgently,i got married to my wife last three months and since then uptil these moment she has not been able to conceive and it's really getting me worried.I have tried to track her ovulation period bt all to no avail because her circle has been irregular?pls what do i do? She has started menstruating today 25/10/2017 pls forgive my typin skills and help me.

this goes to show why you got married at the first place, it was all to make babies, you are a typical example of men who will make babies outside their matrimonial home, just because your wife can't give birth. 3 months is just too soon for you to be bring your wife issue to the public.

Lemme make a little contribution to the thread.
First, i would that, it be clear that i'm not a pastor or whatsoever anyone might think. The thinking of some as regards to the subject that anyone who agrees to such is brain washed or a pastor is shameful.
That point made, i'd add to what has been said that the subject is yet in existence and is valid.
My point comes from the word of the Master himself. The words of the Master is greater than the words of every one in the scriptures. His words can never fail.
And i yet discover that the Lord did not intend that tithe should go extinct.
We know the Lord is supreme and He is greater than Moses. The authority He commands is one that Moses did not have.
And we read of how the Master showed that when He brought the law of Moses to a wrap and introduced Kingdom principles (which the law was trying to do).
The master showed it here,

“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in
danger of the judgment.’
But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the
judgment. And whoever says
to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be
in danger of the council. But
whoever says, ‘You fool!’
shall be in danger of hell fire. Matthew 5:21-22

Here, the Lord showed Supremacy when He said, BUT I SAY UNTO YOU....
Again, the Master said on another occassion,

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou
shalt not commit adultery:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a
woman to lust after her hath
committed adultery with her
already in his heart. Matthew 5:27-29

Again, we see the Lord's supremacy when He used the phrase "BUT I SAY UNTO YOU". The "BUT" showed He was bringing a change here.
But now, the Lord comes to the issue of tithe and behold what he said,
But woe to you Pharisees! For you tithe mint and rue
and every herb, and neglect
justice and the love of God.
These you ought to have
done, without neglecting the
others. Luke 11:42ESV

Is it not revealing? The Lord did not use the phrase, "BUT I SAY UNTO YOU". Instead, He said, These you ought to have
done. Thats one big reason to show the Lord never abolished it.
By this, we understand that the Lord never put an end to it, He commended it.
People ask why there was no record of tithe in the book of Acts of Apostles. And i tell them, the book of Acts shows the Church in its evolving stage. The Church as contained in Acts was not perfect, it was evolving. A good bible student will spot that maturity increased in the Church. The Church we read of in the early chapters is not the same in maturity as that we read of in the later chapters. The Church was still experiencing growth.
And the greatest reason why a thing should be done is not because the Apostles taught it but because the Master said so.
Tithing is not yet extinct. If the Master was aware of it and did not personally scrap it but approved it, i see no reason why some one should try to convince me other wise.
Shalom!

note Jesus Christ spoke to them according to the law, he did the same thing when those men to be first to cast the stone to that woman caught in the act of fornication , he would have told them that stoneing the women was moses law and hence wrong, but he said if you have not sin first cast the stone. There was no were in the bible Jesus cancelled the law of moses , does that mean then that we should still continued in that law of moses

betterABIAstate:
Many religions like Islam, Judaism, Rastafarism etc also believe in the storyline of the old testament, they believe in the lives Abraham, Moses and that of any other prophets in the old testament. If you read the Quaran, tanakh and Torah (of Judaism), you will see the exact storyline as in the old testament of the Bible. As a matter of fact, the old testament of the Bible is a simpler version of the book of Tanakh (Judaism)

Then what differentiates you as a Christian?
You should believe that nobody gets to the father except through his son, Jesus.

You should accept Jesus Christ as your lord and saviour and also live by his teachings and his being, else, you are as good as any other person who believes in Abraham, moses and Joshua

According to the teachings of Christianity, you cannot get to the father through Abraham, Moses, Joshua or any other prophet, but only through Jesus Christ. You can only make references to the lives of these prophets, you are not bonded by their morals.

People make these things complicated but it's very simple to understand, the only difficult thing about Christianity is abiding by the teaching of Jesus Christ, that's why the heavenly race is not an easy one. It requires spiritual strength and meticulousness to be able to be a true Christian.

Hebrew 7 vs 18 and 19.

"18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless

19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God."
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Even as Jesus spoke about tithing in Mathew 23:23

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former."

He never specifically commended the ability of the Pharisees to pay tithe, he was condemning their uncharitable heart, this is not a basis for churches to collect monthly tithes from members.

Why did I go as far as talking about other religions that believe in the the old testament of the Bible? These other religions are not living the life of Christ, living the live of Christ doesn't talk about paying tithe before making heaven, its all about charity. Christians are not living under the law of moses like the Judaists, we are living under the grace of God through his son Jesus (he never paid nor collected tithes).

If we are to live by the deuteronomic laws of Moses, no one who make heaven. These same laws that says one must pay tithe, you also read them telling the isrealite not to barb their beards and not to have clean haircuts, no one can keep to this.

Jesus came to deliver us from the imperfections of the law of Moses, knowing fully well that we can't keep them all. The churches have decided to pick tithe (of the numerous laws) to enslave the children of God yet again in other to enrich themselves.

What makes you a Christian is living the life of chirst and not by obeying law of moses.

you just said it all, one will wonder why the bishops and pastors have not come out to explain this portion of the scripture KJV Deuteronomy 14:22:Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
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KJV:And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.
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KJV:And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee:
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KJV:Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose:
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KJV:And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
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KJV:And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.
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KJV:At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:
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KJV:And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the Lord thy be glorified. Please I really need the bible scholar to come here and explain this passage.

Any community that, entertain Islam as a religion always will suffer similar fate. Islam is the has always be linked to terror and will always be terror.

midolian:
If no one is giving Kudos to Buhari's Government for the obvious improvement in the supply of power, I am.

For the past 3months or there about, the rate at which we enjoy power supply here in Kwara is unbelievable. These days I dont iron until its time to go out, charge my phone until its 5% or below and its all because I am used to this development. Either you on the pay roll of APC or you are demented fool, that you have light does not mean I have Light too in my area,



Or am I the only one?

Lalasticlala, pls lets have people's view on this

Either you on the pay roll of APC or you are demented fool, that you have light does not mean I have Light too in my area, because you on your generator today ,you can not just come here to show us your curtain that looks like blankets they use to wrap dead body

gypsey:
i am not in nigeria, i am still in the UK. i was born in the UK. my parents are nigerians.

bros I greet you oooo. It is nice to know that. We shall meet in heaven shall if you believe in it. Nigeria is cell already.

efighter:
I am truly a typical Yoruba youth, brought up with the dignity of labour. I will never disgrace my tribe nor my ancestory. Omoluabi ni wa, we dont worship money like Flattinos from potopoto republic of drugs, robbery and kidnapping.

you don't need to tell me you are from the coward tribes, who use children for rituals, and charms, just to get powers to sleep with your brother's wife, neighbor's wife, or even your son's wife. You are a big buffoon.

efighter:
Another typical Flattino ready to sell even his parents for money. Your mates are awaiting execution in Malaysia.

guy see as your signature implies , you either an OPC clown or a boko haram, you ready to kill both your parents and everyone around you to serve your slave masters.

gypsey:
Rubbish! there is nothing of such in the UK jail, say what you know! have you ever been in UK jail?, i have! so stop making up things.

bros you done go UK jail I hail ooooo, but let me ask you,why you come back to nigeria now? I better stay UK jail than to come back here ooooo. At least my fundamental human right is ensure over there. Not in this zoo. Please I need d jail oooooo in UK . please have any slot for UK Jail let me know.