₦airaland Forum

AntiChristian:
✓ You are the one deviating from the topic How Many Persons Of God Is The ONLY TRUE GOD?

How many divine beings connect to the Allah of Islam? You had earlier said that the word of Allah was stored as a divine book separate from Allah of Islam, and that being/book was the very word out of Allah of Islam's mouth. And that being/book could even take the form of a man. 🥱

As a matter of fact, the Quran also referred to Isa of Islam as the word of Allah, and this is the same Isa of Islam whom we are made to believe did not die but was raised to be with Allah without judgement and would judge, in a similar fashion to the Quran, on the Islamic judgment day. How many are those? 🥱

AntiChristian:
✓ It is regarded as scripture by many who regard the Bible as holy book. So how do you determine which book is scripture in the Bible?

2. I accept all that are considered Scripture as that: Books of Scripture. Paul and the other disciples who wrote letters never stated or affirmed their words were Scripture. Are the stories/biographies in the Bible too scriptures? So which new testament book is scripture to you?

3. Well, first, the YHWH of Israel who in fact gave the Torah, His prophets, and then the Injeel as well to His people, Israel, is not the Allah of Islam. That's your own opinion and ideology.

4. According to much of Islamic scholarship, the Quran is the word spoken of Allah of Islam. It is considered eternally unchanging(divine attributes), even though you privately believe his word changes and is not eternal. It will stand as judge against all Islamists on judgment day; it will itself not be judged(yet another divine attribute).
Existence in Al-Lawh Al-Mahfuz (The Preserved Tablet):
The Islamic theology holds that the Qur'an, as the speech of Allah, exists eternally in a celestial record called Al-Lawh Al-Mahfuz. This is the divine, unalterable source from which the Qur'an was revealed to Prophet Muhammad.

The Qur'an as the Speech of Allah and Its
Uncreated Nature:
The Qur'an is considered the Kalam Allah (Word or Speech of Allah), an attribute of Allah that is eternal and uncreated. This means the Qur'an, in its essence, is not a created thing but an eternal attribute of God.

Unchanging Text with Abrogation in Rulings:
The text of the Qur'an is unchanging and preserved perfectly. However, some verses revealed earlier were abrogated in terms of legal rulings by later verses (a concept known as Naskh). This does not affect the text’s preservation but relates to the application of its commands.

Revelation Period of 23 Years:
The Qur'an was revealed gradually over approximately 23 years, beginning in 610 CE and concluding shortly before the Prophet’s death in 632 CE. This gradual revelation was suited to the circumstances and needs of the early Muslim community.

Eternity of the Qur'an:
The Qur'an as Allah’s speech is eternal and uncreated. However, the physical copies, recitations, and manifestations of the Qur'an in the created world are created and temporal. Sunni doctrine distinguishes between the eternal divine attribute and its temporal expressions.

The Qur'an as a Judge on the Day of Judgment:
The Qur'an will serve as a witness and criterion on the Day of Judgment, testifying for or against those who recited and followed it. This is based on Qur'anic verses and prophetic traditions.

The Qur'an Cannot Be Judged:
Since the Qur'an is the uncreated speech of Allah, it is not subject to judgment or critique. It is the ultimate standard by which all things are judged.

5. The Word of YHWH is the same Yesterday, Today, and forevermore. Which of the words did not change? Is it the spoken words or Jesus or which?

The word in the old testament was essentially different from the new testament!

1. Holiness/Scripture is not about popular opinion that you would suggest it should be according to what a majority claim. The writers of the letters themselves make it clear to separate their notifications from that of Jesus Christ of Israel, holiness himself, aka the Word of YHWH, That is how you know. 🥱

I bet if I asked you what the term means, you would immediately go off on some tangent as usual. 🥱

2. Not an opinion but a fact, since the YHWH of Israel says he is not a man gay he should lie. He cannot be YHWH and Allah of Islam at the same time by virtue of his very word. 🥱

For the YHWH to become the Allah of Islam then he would need to cease as truth to become a divine prevaricator(a great deceiver aka Allah of Islam). Note that would require a complete changing of his very essence. Therefore YHWH Is not the Allah of Islam. 🥱

3. As I said, the Quran has divine attributes and and yet is separate from Allah. Is it not?🥱

4. The Word of God in Israelite Scripture is direct reference to His Laws, both of them. 🥱

AntiChristian:
✓ Allah's spoken word already has a record eternally stored with Allah in a book! Is Jesus stored with Yahweh in a book?

1. Stop deviating! The question here is whether the Quran, that book wherever it may be; is a distinct image from Allah of Islam or not. 🥱

tnerro1:
➜I leave you to your convictions, e no change anything..

It does! Stewpid stories such as the one in your OP is behind the suffering of millions of women across Africa, Nigeria included. These are not stories told of wisdom but rather tales formulated from the myopic hallucinations of the few fascinated by the foolish things of this life.

tnerro1:
➜E go shock you, if I mention the university name, people wey dey during that period go code who I dey talk about.

None of that would be anything sensible to your argument because I can equally promise way more examples of women who did as you pretend they should have, only to end up regretting their so-called sacrifice.

So, excuse me for knowing Tales by Moonlight when I see it!

tnerro1:
Women should Learn to build their men and their marriages. You are not a spare tyre in marriage, if the marriage was a luxury bus, you would be the assistant driver of the bus.
Let me tell you a true story but with made up names.
Let’s call her Lucy, she was a beautiful girl on campus and her boyfriend worshipped her to no extent. People referred to them as a couple cause everyone said they were going to end up marrying each other.
Then came along a guy, let’s call him Mike. Mike was a flashy guy on campus cause he was into business while schooling, so he had money to throw around to impress the babes. Lucy got distracted from her boyfriend and fell for Mike and within a month, they had done their introduction and marriage ceremony.
So for the next few years, the going was good, Mike’s business was doing well and they had money to go on lavish trips and all the things rich people do and then came the issues.
After more than 8 years of marriage, Lucy has decided to call it quits and her reason was Mike was not measuring up , that all his mates have left him behind.
All the years that business was good, Mike never built a house, he was still on rent. He never expanded the business nor diversify into other areas. Now Mike is broke and his wife, the mother of 3 kids has decided to quit the marriage and abandon the 3 kids with him.
She has left home and what she now does is to shuttle between Abuja , lagos and port attending parties that have “ odogus” attending.
Why didn’t Lucy advise Mike to get a house of their own when business was good?
Why didn’t she advise him to expand the business (she never took part in understanding the business)
Why didn’t she advise him to divisify or even set her up so they could both have good businesses running together?
Women, when your man is failing in certain areas, you need to subtly come in and help him plan the future for both of you . You are not a spare tyre, you are an equal partner in the development of the man and by extension the family.
Stop being selfish and self centered.
P/s the boyfriend is still broke and looking for a job, so this story is not about being faithful or contented with what you have at the moment, it’s about helping in building what you have now for the betterment of the family unit.

This should be filed under the Tales by Moonlight section of things!

GodCovenant:
I start seeing this girl, the worst thing I hate is when someone helped or assist me when it comes to women matter. She work at the same place with my friend. When I went there to see my friend I saw her . She was showing interest in me and I woo her because of her big ass like normal Thing. And at the beginning she was not playing along well enough normal playing hard trick. But me I don't fall for those shit.. I back off.
So all of a sudden she called me. And was showing interest. I know at once my friend have getting involved even although he didn't tell me. But I noticed from a sudden interest.
When I query my friend like I know you have talk with this guy. What did you tell her he first deny because he knows I don't like that. He said he only ask her about me and he told her why she is not reasoning things. I know he wash her telling thing normally I wouldn't say.
Since then this girl have shown so much interest that I had to nack her. The problem now is she is madly in love but I am not feeling the same. I'm now the problem. I have stress her so much her big ass have reduced in size.
I have shown all signs for her to get the message but the more I shown to her the more she is interested going to church to play thinking she is the problem.
My friend have talk to me. I was like what is the plan? I'm very considerate with words that comes out from my mouth. I don't just say things anyhow or make promises.
The pressure was too much that I want to see her again. But this times while I was there. There is a way she talked to an elderly man that was the security of where she work. He called the old man and I talk to her disrespectfully.
It gets to me deeply. I was like my instinct never failed me just that I mostly question it or don't follow it. For her to talk to that man like that it says it all.
My intention for the relationship is been misdirected to something I don't plan for and my friend is spearheading the whole thing for what she have said to her about me.

Dude, if you do not like a girl, you open your mouth and communicate exactly that to her. Stop using your friend as an excuse not to communicate your exact intentions to the girl. If it then turns out that she is a stalker, then that is a whole nother topic entirely.

Watcharena:
➜MAGA withdrew from the Iran nuclear deal in 2018

So, you are still going with the claim that IAEA is MAGA? Is ISIS also MAGA?
https://www.iaea.org/topics/monitoring-and-verification-in-iran
https://isis-online.org/isis-reports/analysis-of-iaea-iran-verification-and-monitoring-report-may-2025

Expanse2020:
➜It just like Ms guy reading quran Ezekiel guy read it...when they read upside down.. and you gupped it up your lungs 🤣🤣
➜ Am not s fan of shia but when you see a lie you should be able to point it out And if you cannot identify a from b you are not supposed to put mouth because later later you will look stupiiiid when you see the truth

Stop lying! That is the same book I have posted several times before here on Nairaland. I was banned from the Islamic section because of it. It is Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran's own guide on Sharia highlighting acceptable Islamic practices.

2. You are not a fan of Shia, yet here you are glorifying the Shia-led regime of Iran? I am clearly not the one here with problems identifying A from B, or in this case, the one here who thinks Taquiya gives him superhuman ability to confuse others.

geoworldedu:
➜I know a lot of his theories and I'm not ready to share it with you. I took my time to go through his messages before I could see them. You can ask well take your time to go through. I can only argue with someone who already knows it too. Not someone I have to start explaining them to.

Everyone out there has theories to offer. I don't intend on examining them all. I am more interested in examining the validity of the evidence presented. Only then would I consider the theory worth exploring.

If your argument is unsound, implying the conclusion is false, what is the point of exploring the premises?

geoworldedu:
➜Since we don't know or have any premise, we can't even start an argument. Take care.

You had a premise. You suggested that the claims made by old grandmothers affirmed the theories made by your man. I only needed to know the falsehood of the consequent to figure out that the supposed theories remain unproven.

geoworldedu:
➜I want to know if you know any of those theories to start with so we won't just be arguing blindly.

I browsed your OP, and I am not interested in arguing the details of the individual theories, whatever they may be. I am more interested in the proven facts.

ola20ng, we all know that the following represent Islam.

Non-Muslims are absolutely shocked by this video of an Australian Muslim reformist calling for reform in Islam.

The video was quickly censored on YouTube.

What did he say that was so dangerous? He simply read out the official rulings of Ayatollah Khomeini, the leader of the… pic.twitter.com/QiEBeJv0tG

— Liza Rosen (@LizaRosen0000) June 9, 2026

Surah At-Talaq 65:4
Surah 4 vs 6

🚨HORRIFIC ATTEMPTED BEHEADING ON THE STREETS OF BELFAST 😱

Graphic Warning ⚠️

Just after 10:30pm last night on Kinnaird Avenue, North Belfast, a man was slashed and stabbed in a frenzied attack, with the suspect on top of him on the ground repeatedly hacking at his head and…

— British Patriot UK 🇬🇧 (@EnglandUK) June 9, 2026

Quran 47:4
Quran 8:12

geoworldedu:
➜What are the theories Otem put forward?

You are the one arguing that he did, then going on to suggest that not only are they akin to the theories put forth by Einstein, but that they are supposedly substantiated by the many unverified claims made by grandmothers and so on.

QuinQQ:
➜Stop pretending. You've been on NL too long not to know Otem Atum.
Here's his profile:
https://www.nairaland.com/otematum Below are sime of his topics

So, because I have been on Nairaland for a while, it means I know everyone and everything about them, including books they may or may not have written?

geoworldedu:
➜Have you heard of theory of relativity? Albert Einstein brought it ahead of the time. It was proven to be right years after he was gone.
➜Otem might be towing that path with his histories. Many people here already testified to how some of the histories re happened to them in this current world and even how their grandparents have told them exactly similar stuffs, which nobody has even written in a book prior to that time. You can go through Otem's main thread. You'll see many testimonies there. DM those people and find out about those things they said.

Theories are meant to be proven, not

2. None of these constitute proof, though, or evidence of reproducibility of the claims made by Otem.

geoworldedu:
➜Yes, he sent them to us through his email some years back.

And he hasn't written anything else since then?

Watcharena:
They enriched to 60% when MAGA walked out of the deal.

You mean even the IAEA is MAGA-inclined?

The IAEA and mainstream reporting cited that by mid‑June 2025 Iran had amassed a large stockpile of uranium enriched to about 60 percent purity—figures reported as roughly 972 pounds in mid‑June 2025 versus lower amounts earlier in 2025—which the U.N. watchdog and press noted is quantitatively closer to weapons‑grade material and that about 92.5 pounds of 60% material could translate into the fissile material component for a single weapon if further enriched

geoworldedu:
➜What do you mean by meaningful works? He has written the Book of Universal History. Have you read it?

I have never heard of it, and from what I have read in what you posted, all of it is unresearched and not based on history. So, again, what books have been written by this individual that one can maybe purchase to read? Is this Book of Universal History available for download or something?

Expanse2020:
crying na your things as usual

Is this really what you people live for?

Non-Muslims are absolutely shocked by this video of an Australian Muslim reformist calling for reform in Islam.

The video was quickly censored on YouTube.

What did he say that was so dangerous? He simply read out the official rulings of Ayatollah Khomeini, the leader of the… pic.twitter.com/QiEBeJv0tG

— Liza Rosen (@LizaRosen0000) June 9, 2026

geoworldedu:
➜As someone who has read all the texts in his books, he actually wrote a history to cover from billions of years back till our present time. I think his aggressions on nairaland a decade ago against Christianity and Islam was because these two were the reigning religions where majority of people found themselves in and the major gullibility and terrorism manifested all over the world today are generated mostly by these two religions.
But if you read through the texts, Otem is actually against all religions of the world.

So, he hasn't produced any meaningful works outside of his angst against religions?

geoworldedu:
➜They are Otem's book. I don't write books.

Does Otem write books that he sells? Or does he only write for Nairaland and only against religions he does not like as well?

geoworldedu, how many books have you written so far? And where can I go to purchase any of them?

AntiChristian:
➜So you don't accept Philipians attributed to Paul too?
➜ Which books do you now accept from the Bible books?
➜The Torah was his word as well as the Injeel.
➜ How is it divinity according to the Qur'an?
➜ Are the Torah and Injeel too same?

1. I didn't mention the name Paul, though. Anyways, regardless of the particular identity of the writer, my meaning is that when you elevate the opinions of a man(those letters were written by men who are believed to have been 1st century followers of Jesus Christ of Israel) over the Law(in this case, the Gospel, the eternal Law of YHWH), a practice that is typical among religionists.

2. I accept all that are considered Scripture as that: Books of Scripture. Paul and the other disciples who wrote letters never stated or affirmed their words were Scripture.

3. Well, first, the YHWH of Israel who in fact gave the Torah, His prophets, and then the Injeel as well to His people, Israel, is not the Allah of Islam.

4. According to much of Islamic scholarship, the Quran is the word spoken of Allah of Islam. It is considered eternally unchanging(divine attributes), even though you privately believe his word changes and is not eternal. It will stand as judge against all Islamists on judgment day; it will itself not be judged(yet another divine attribute).

5. The Word of YHWH is the same Yesterday, Today, and forevermore.

AntiChristian:
➜Are you saying the father, son and spirit do not each have distinct images?

You answer the question when you answer the following. Does Allah of Islam and his divine Quran have the same image or distinct images?

This is simple! The Quran is the word(out of the mouth) of Allah, meaning it is part and parcel of Allah. At the same time, the Quran takes the form of a book, and is also able to take the form of a man on the Islamic judgement day to then argue for the believers in the presence of Allah of Islam. Does any of that seem to you like the Quran has the same image as Allah of Islam or a distinct image?

Baxilexi:
To a carpenter every problem should be solved with a hammer.
Even the human body takes order from the brain. Even when this war is over, Iran would continue to have power struggles, because unanimous decision would be difficult.
There was a professor all over the internet that said Iran would never negotiate with the US, that he was 100 percent sure, but today they’re in talks.
Their president has shown that he is against the leadership of the IRGC. They’re not economist or diplomats, they’re fighters and victory is either being a martyr or absolute destruction.

Then they should be happy that they are getting exactly what they yearned for. 49 years at the negotiation table with billions of taxpayer money footing the bill all of this time with no progress is more than enough patience that has been accorded them. They can finally rejoice that they are being martyred now.

Watcharena:
Restriction on enrichment and inspection

Restrictions that allowed Iran to not only build bigger but deeper underground enriching to almost 60%? 🥱🥱

brownwindow:
➜ Important Note
Many Christian theologians argue that these passages can be harmonized through context, translation, textual transmission, or differing perspectives.
➜ Critics argue that some of these differences are genuine contradictions. Whether one views them as contradictions often depends on one's interpretive approach to the Bible.

More important than any of what your religious scholars claim should be the exact details presented in the book and the contextual message intended by the individual authors of each book.

2. Genuine in what sense? Clerical errors found in, say, records of how many horses one man rode or had do not impact the underlying message of either the Torah or the Injeel(the Word of God). So, to claim the particular errors are genuine, you would need to provide some foundation for the claim.

brownwindow:
10. What was the genealogy of Jesus? Gospel of Matthew 1:1–16. Gospel of Luke 3:23–38. The genealogies differ significantly.

This one is an interesting question, and if you read the presented details carefully, you would immediately note which of the two is the correct one.

Matthew 1 vs 1 - 16 presents the genealogy of Jesus Christ, of Israel's adoptive father, who is not a biological parent, so clearly, he could not be in Joseph's genealogy. The correct answer would be the genealogy that traces through his biological parent(mother in this case) back to the line of David, and that is presented in the gospel of Luke 3:23–38.

brownwindow:
9. How many stalls did Solomon have? First Book of Kings 4:26 – 40,000 stalls. Second Book of Chronicles 9:25 – 4,000 stalls. Different figures reported.

This is another case of clerical error.

brownwindow:
➜8. Who incited David to take a census? 2 Samuel 24:1 – God incited David. 1 Chronicles 21:1 – Satan incited David. Different agents named.

If you read the books well, you would find that Satan is actually a servant of YHWH.(Yes, contrary to the fairy tales of religion, Satan can instead be likened to YHWH's quality assurance officer who handles all the tempting needs necessary for sifting the chaff out of YHWH's herd. This is evidenced by reports in reports on Satan in Isaiah 45, Job 1, and Zechariah 3

2 Samuel 24 reports that the anger of the Lord against David caused David to command a census be taken. Whereas 1 Chronicles 21 outright states that the anger resulted in Satan taking over to tempt David.

brownwindow:
➜That shows to you that the Bible has been corrupted for it to have contradictions in it!
➜ Is it a Word of God or a Word of Man?
➜ And a new question for you, where in the Bible were your guys told to worship on Sunday or go to Church on Sunday?

1. Corrupted when?

2. The Books clearly contain both the Word of God and the words of men, including the words of Satan, all written down by the hands of men. So, what exactly were you expecting it to be, and why?

3. Oh, that is definitely not in any of the books of Israelite Scripture, the same way that all the contents of the Quran are also found nowhere in there, too.