FrankB1:
I think in times past there has been some misunderstandings about healing, because people think that healing is only about what happens in the body, but it's about what happens in the spiritual first. It's important to understand healing according to God and not just our opinion of what healing is. Because, if God means one thing and we think something else then there will most likely be misunderstandings about healing. [b]And in looking up the meaning of healing several had the same general idea--the removal or the taking away of sickness/disease/suffering. Now, understand this there can be an act of healing and yet not a manifestation of that healing. For example God told Abraham, I have made you a father of many nations and yet Romans 4:19 says, Abraham's body was dead and his wife's womb was dead yet God said he had made him a father of many nations. Naturally speaking a man with a dead body can't be a father of many nations so that would have to include that God had done something about his body, but notice what was done was not manifested, he had no way of verifying it by his senses. So, you can't wait until your senses can detect something to believe that God has done something. In Isaiah 53:4,5 it says, 4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.[/b]

This is all hogwash though!

Who put the sickness or disease on you in the first place?

FatherChrismas:
■ Who are the leaders of God's country? What is the name of the constitutional law? Who are the leaders of God's country? What is the name of the constitutional law? What name should we call people who follow Christ? Omo so Jesus don dey do recruitment What name can we call those people who have been recruited

Oh boy! The details you seek are documented in the 4 Gospels.

FatherChrismas:
■ Using a country to draw a comparison is out of context in this argument. And I notice you are trying to drag the discussion to your territory of equating an immobile factor (a country) with a mobile factor (Christ).
1. You failed to answer my question "Have you written your own tradition or setup your own Ecumenical"... Because that's the way you can determine who ought to be called a Christian and who ought not be called any name just like a "headless crew". A headless crew without a name, is that what your want
2. This is the meaning of "biblical tradition" the body of beliefs accepted by a society that gives it continuity with past generations and unity within itself and the process by which these beliefs are transmitted. Do you understand now?

1. The Kingdom of God is a country complete with its own leaders and Constitutional Law. So how can the comparison be considered out of context?

2. You are not making sense of any kind still. The term Christian has nothing to do with Jesus Christ or the person who follows Jesus Christ. The Law put down by Jesus Christ — the National Constitution of the Kingdom of God — does not include any such tradition and as such it is not of Him or me, a follower of His.

3. Again, these so-called biblical traditions have no foundation in Scripture particularly in the Law as set down by Jesus Christ, the one who is ruler and King in the Kingdom of God, the Nation to which those who belong to Him are recruited into.

JuanDeDios:
■ Yes, prophets aren't the standard for conduct for Christians (only Jesus is) but they do serve as examples. Just like Paul, James and others. I think the idea of referring to them is that if they did something and God didn't condemn them for it, it means God didn't have a problem with it. Sounds reasonable.

Those men were not prophets in Jesus Christ, I am afraid.

siant:
■ Here you are. You digress in a bit to cunningly looking for a way to escape from this. No way. Do you think you are conversing with an ignorant. Of all the questions thrown to you , you fail to explain any, instead you keep babbling.
■ According to you, Paul did not heed to Agabus, simply because he was not a prophet like the prophets of old? The same Agabus who predicted there would be famine, and the whole church heeded to the warning, before the prediction came to pass. You may keep fooling yourselves among the members of your cult-like sect, not the knowledgeable Christians.
There were prophets, there are prophets, and there will be prophets till Christ returns. You may choose to continue living in delusion. That's your own cup of tea.

1. No digressing as you refuse to answer even a single question to this point so I felt it best to narrow the scope to at least the one you paid some attention to is all.

2. I asked you a question but I see you are instead interested in reading my mind rather than broaching the question still.

Again, Why didn't Paul regard Agabus and the other prophets the same way he would have the Prophets of Old or even Jesus Christ? Why? There is a reason why Paul who did acknowledge that God had made some prophets in the last days, refused to heed the warnings of the same prophets.

siant:
.....Paul did not obey the instructions of Agabus, does it mean he did not regard Agabus as a prophet? The same Paul that said, 'he gave some to be apostle, some to be prophet '....Stop twisting the scriptures. God will judge you!

I had to drill down to this portion from all the news you were trying to make again. You still haven't answered the question at all.

Why didn't Paul regard Agabus and the other prophets the same way he would have the Prophets of Old or even Jesus Christ? Why? There is a reason why Paul who did acknowledge that God had made some prophets in the last days, refused to heed the warnings of the same prophets.

FatherChrismas:
■ The bolded is your own words
■ According to Biblical tradition and the First Council of Nicaea, (325)convened by the emperor Constantine, Christians are followers of Christ.
Have you written your own tradition or setup your own Ecumenical

I don't follow! If the agreement by which the country itself was established indicates that the Name the people chose to go by is "Nigeria" how does that compare to the case where Jesus Christ, the one whose nation His followers are a part of, never chose the term "Christian" or even agreed upon it?

2. There is no biblical tradition of the sort which you claim. Religious traditions are not biblical or sanctioned by Scripture. The name "Christians" was chosen by the community of Roman bishops in establishing what was their state religion, a mostly political movement, and that is that. Jesus Christ, who instead condemned the involvement of non-Israelites was completely ignored.

Macdeey:
See this Mumu
Na the same You Wey collect N 4.6 Billion from Dasuki Wey you talk say you pay some Mallams to pray for Nigeria during Boko Haram peak !
You chop meant for the security of Nigeria and you come open your dirty mouth dey talk nonsense
People like you supposed don die by Hanging if to say Nigeria na better country

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Islie:
After two months of steady appreciation to N1,140 on Friday, April 19, from N1,1,820 per dollar on Wednesday, March 21, the Naira, last week, depreciated for four consecutive days by N285 (25%) to N1,405 per dollar on Thursday, April 25th.
Following the same trend in the official market, the Naira depreciated by N169.24 (9.9%) to N1,339.23 per dollar on Friday last week, April 26th, from N1,169.99 per dollar on Friday, April 19.

Two months of steady appreciation? For where?

FatherChrismas:
■ Don't get it twisted, this is not about religionist, this is about language, terminologies and facts.
■ Answering your 1,2 You failed to realize you are now arguing against yourself If you go through the posts
■ About the number 3, it doesn't apply to the logic of the argument but the let's keep it broad. Muslims can call you a Christian in an offensive manner. Traditionalists can call you a Christian in an offensive manner. It on depends on the countenance and context. The same thing applies to Eminem calling 50cent "nigga" in the studio and still laugh about it. Life isn't that hard

1. There is absolutely nothing in the language or terminologies and facts that would lead you to conclude any such.

2. I disagree!

3. Again, you can choose to explain it to yourself that way, I guess. For me, once a term was meant as an insult from the start, it will always be so.

aswani:
■ Normally I would have locked horns with you by now because it is easily tweaked people like you that I like to engage with. Thankfully another poster disclosed what your real issues were so once more I will say, thanks for the "discussion" but I have now reached my bus stop, ciao Bella.

Look who's Talking! Save your public prayer to your gods for yourself there! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

siant:
■ You want to play along in the display of ignorance? Where is knowledge in what you're saying? Anyway, that statement is just to sweeten what. That's an epitomy of inferiority complex. I supported my submissions with relevant scriptural verses, yet you failed to provide single scriptural verse to back what you're saying. Your opinion is dismissed again. Like I said, the Bible is the last authority.
■ Where did any prophet of old from David say Christ would be the last prophet? Are you saying you know better than the scriptures itself that refered to Agabus, as a prophet? Or should we dismiss that part of the scriptures?
■ Please, quote it here, when Jesus said He was the last prophet?
■ Jesus is the messiah. Not Elijah, not Moses , not even father Abraham. He was greater than any prophet that lived before and after Him. Those ones were mere prophets. Jesus was more than any prophet. And let me quickly add this, I am less concern about YWH you are shouting all about. That's the Hebrews name for a supreme being. Nothing stops me from referring to a supreme being as 'Olodumare' that's Yoruba name for Him. In Arabic Bible, He is called Allah, because that's the name the Arabs call the supreme being. He referred to Himself as El shadai, to Abraham. In Hebrews Bible, He is called Adonai in some places in Isaiah. Moses called Him YHW. So it it is not necessary for me to call Him YAWEH.. That's your own problem.

1. What you instead did was pull verses out of context to assert an idea that does not even comply with that which is stated in Scripture. There is a reason why Paul did not heed the warning given to him by the many prophets of his day including Agabus, something that would have been unheard of had it been they were indeed prophets anointed by the Almighty Himself like the prophets of Old. I am used to you folks. With one side of your mouth you claim your bible is authority yet with the other you accuse the one you call God of Lying!

2. To answer that question, you would have to go back through much of the Old Texts but no point since you will likely not even get it. So, let's focus on your claim regarding the person of Jesus Christ.
▶ But you still have not answered my question. Jesus Christ declared that John was the last Old Covenant prophet to come. Did Jesus Christ lie? YES OR NO!
▶ Jesus Christ equally said in Matthew 21 that He was the last prophet, so did Jesus Christ lie? YES OR NO!

3. Jesus Christ revealed it by way of the Parable, or should I say, a mod on the parable of the Vineyard owner from Isaiah 5 in Matthew 21 vs 33 -46. Jesus Christ first informed you that John was the Last of the Old Covenant Prophets — He described John as being less than the least in the Kingdom of God meaning John was indeed the last of those called by God of Old. Then Jesus Christ went on to condemn all who would come after Him as false Prophets and Teachers, beginning with the religious leaders of His time along with their doctrines and traditions.

4. Um... Again, saying Jesus Christ is more than a prophet does not reduce the magnitude of the lie you accuse Him of. Jesus Christ said He is indeed the last and He proclaimed that all others would come after Him particularly those who would use His name are false Prophets and false Teachers. So, what in the world are you on about?

cjudy:
■ They play. Show me where God condemn Polygamy and those you does that in the Bible and you’re running around

I am not the least bit interested in the polygamy debate mind you. I am more interested in understanding why and how men who disavow God's standard which is holiness and righteousness seem to think it makes sense to demand they have that they too must have that which was granted by God only to his prophets.

aswani:
■ O kò! Ọ ma. May the Good Lord restore you to a sound mental health state, may all the challenges you face that you try hard to overcome be a thing of the past sooner rather than later. Do.

Look who's Talking! Save your public prayer to your gods for yourself there! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Beautifulday:
■ John 16:13
[13]Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

That is correct. That which is Truth — and is Everlasting— does include that which even then was to come which, according to Jesus Christ, includes the Kingdom of God and all that pertained to it.

Beautifulday:
■ So prophecy is not truth?

If the God of Israel made a note to differentiate them then clearly they are different.

You said earlier that Prophecy has more to do with stating that which is to come, whereas Truth as made known to His followers by Jesus Christ has more to do with stating that which already is and always will be —EverLasting.

aswani:
■ "Readily admit indirectly"? Anti, you are better than this, much better. Anyway, na Obidients I come face for here so allowed me bikonu.

A liar caught lying.... run along! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Beautifulday:
■ So the holy spirit he promised was false because he is the spirit of prophesy?

Huh? Jesus Christ never promised anyone the Spirit of Prophesy. The Holy Spirit Jesus Christ instead promised to ask the Father to send His followers is instead the Spirit of Truth, the same one who is Jesus Christ, the Word of God.

FatherCHRISTMAS:
■ Being a disciple and being a country are nt the same. And in the context of the discussion the comparison doesn't fit in
■ But then again, if you were brought up in Nigeria and follow/abide by Nigeria's laws... You will be called a Nigerian. If you follow Christ, why can't you be called Nigerian?
■ Well me and my friends call each other nigga and smile about it. I guess it's the effect of listening to too much G Unit, 50 cent, RedMan, Nas and 2pac

That is actually what you want to believe instead. You have been given this picture by religionists that it is nothing of the sort and so you can't seem to wrap your mind around the facts of things here. But the fact is it is pretty much the same deal you cut as a citizen of a Nation that you cut with Jesus Christ.

2. You would be called a Nigerian because Nigeria is the name that the Constitution says the country goes by, is it not? Why should I be called a Christian when the Kingdom of God is not called anything of that sort?

3. If a bunch of white men came along and called you all the same name, I bet you would all be fuming in the mouth then, right?

Beautifulday:
■ Was Jesus a prophet?

Yes, the Last Prophet at that!

cjudy:
■ My dear just rest, Moses was this and that. Did you know Moses committed murder in the Bible?

Yes, Moses did, but that doesn't change the fact that 40 years later, Moses not only found His way back into the graces of God but became a Holy and Righteous man, approved by God at that. So, are you a Holy and Righteous man approved by God that you should demand that which applied to Moses then?

The standard laid down by the God of Israel from the beginning has always been Holiness and Righteousness. He does not give His attention to those who do not follow His Law at all. So, comparing yourselves to His prophets, Holy and RIghteous men, I have to ask if you yourselves are holy and righteous men approved by Him as well.

Beautifulday:
■ Most prophet prayes this pattern of prayer.They pray to confess their own sins and that of their forefathers. Prophecy is different from the prophet. Prophecy is telling the future. Prophet is the person telling it I have a question.
■ Did this your restriction over prophecy also applied to Jesus too?
■ Daniel didn't pray to God to stay his hand but to fulfill his promise as prophesied by Jeremiah but God wasn't yet done with his plan as prophesied by Daniel.

1. Go back and read the Law. The Prophecy of the Last days is contained in the Law of Moses. The Prophethood began in the Law of Moses. Visions of the Last days established since the Law of Moses. Even the Kingdom of the Kingdom of God, disclosed in the Law of Moses.

2. Restrict Jesus Christ in what sense?

3. Below is the detail of what Daniel prayed for.

17 “Now, our God, hear your servant’s prayer. Listen to my prayer for mercy. For your own sake, do good things for your holy place.[d]
18 My God, listen to me! Open your eyes and see all the terrible things that have happened to us. See what has happened to the city that is called by your name. I am not saying we are good people. That is not why I am asking these things. I am asking these things because I know you are kind.
19 Lord, listen to me! Forgive us! Lord, pay attention, and then do something! Don’t wait! Do something now! Do it for your own good! My God, do something now, for your city and your people who are called by your name.” - Daniel 9 vs 3 - 19

God did do something. God showed Daniel a vision of what was to come, the Last Days to come for the Nation of Judah.

mamaafrik:
■ You need to take anti_rabbies drug. You are sick

Look who's talking!🤣🤣🤣🤣

FatherCHRISTMAS:
■ Whoever performs an act of worship is a religionist. Didn't the disciples perform the act of worship?
■ Also if you act according to someone you emulate or a role model, you could be named after that person and his personality.
Christians means "Christ-like". Were the disciples not christ like?

Act of worship? All the disciples did was obey the contract/agreement/Law given to them by Jesus Christ, the Constitutional Law of the Kingdom of God for which He granted them citizenship. Does abiding by the Law of the country you hold citizenship in make you a religionist?

2. If I sign a phone contract with AT&T and I act according to the terms and conditions of the contract, does not make me AT&T-like? Come on! The people who gave them the label, Christians, were pagans who didn't like their guts as is evidenced by the fact that the same are recorded to have chased after and killed many of them. Why should those who hate me get to decide what I should be called? Do you like being called a nigger by a bunch of racists?

colossus91:
■ Which makes me ask certain questions like where tithing come from? Where some doctrines come from sincerely e dey burst my head!

Tithing as practiced by those of the religion of Christianity comes specifically from the doctrines and traditions formulated by their Mogs and Pastors, who don't even accept Scriptural stances on pretty much anything. The beliefs held by those of the religion are entirely disconnected from those developed in Scripture.

AbuTwins:
■ Of course, no user of the Bible will pretty much agree!
■ Where did i consider Hamas accounts? That must have been an oversight then! I don't speak for anyone! Anyone and everyone can be a terrorist! It is hypocrisy labelling only Hamas or Al-Qaedah alone as the culprit!

If you google my history here on nairaland to when I didn't really believe in religion, you would note, that even then, I argued for respect of rule of Law in all things. So, don't pretend for a minute that only those who use the Bible believe in the place of the Law.

2. Oh, now anyone can be labeled a terrorist and it is no longer according to Law but opinion? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

cjudy:
■ How many wives did David got? If I’m correct, it’s 8 right? Did God condemned him?

Moses was a holy and righteous man of the Old Law of Moses. YHWH approved Him as such. Are you one a man approved Holy and Righteous by YHWH for you to declare you must have right to that which David had?

Barcalee:
■ Pls can you breakdown this your bruhaha because I find it difficult to see the alignment between my post and yours. I believe you're a Muslim abi? I had heard your Alfas especially Alhaji muyideen saying it's true the Quran allows a Muslim to marry more than one wife ,but,there must be equity from you to them. So tell me how you can love two women equally talkless of four. So who is the terrible one here?

First of all, you failed to comprehend the message in my post. Again, You Christians are terrible people. The God of Israel put a seal on His Prophets and visions about 1900 Years ago - Daniel 9 vs 24 - at the close of His Last Days. You lot pretend you believe all that is declared in the book yet here you are insinuating the God of Israel lied and this man's father was in fact one of His prophets. Why are your minds this broken?

Second, you are mistaken to conclude that because I am not a Christian, then I must be a Muslim. I am neither a Christian nor am I a Muslim. I am antireligion since Jesus Christ Himself was antireligion as well. Jesus Christ is famously known to have disavowed the religion that existed in His time — Judaism — beginning with its religious leaders and their doctrines which He proclaimed were antiChrist lies meant to deceive and delude the multitudes away from the Truth of God. Christianity as a religion is lifted as being modeled after the very religion disavowed meaning it too has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. Of course, no religion was granted an exemption by Jesus Christ, so no religion can claim legitimacy by His name.

aswani:
■ Are you OK at all Anti? It's a rhetorical question, don't bother answering. W[b]hat the hell concerns me with 2.1 Billion BS siphoned out from wherever?[/b] Did Peter Obi and his merry band of thieves audit the money Obidients, especially those from abroad, donated? Are existing reserves and money from individuals, trust funds, organisations etc the same? How do you know the government wouldn't sell these bonds through brokerages who have to provide yearly or whatever period account updates to their customers. You get luck sha say mods dey dis section. I for don tok sense inside ya head well well.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 So long as you readily admit indirectly that transparency of the kind you hinted at is far far away from the expectations you have of your government my mission is accomplished. All that extra jabbering una dey like engage in like rabid dogs no concern me at all!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

AbuTwins:
■ But you agree it is terrorism to kill animals, infants, old men and women as in Numbers 31 and 1 Samuel 15:3?
■ I don't give credence to any! You are the one giving credence to Al-Qaedah!

I don't agree! Why? Because terrorism is as defined by the Law of the land in question— the national constitution of a nation, for instance. I believe Laws are necessary foundations for civilization.

credence
noun
1. mental acceptance as true or real

■ You do give credence to Hamas since you consider the accounts/opinions of the Hamas group. I, on the other hand, am simply saying that both Hamas and Alquaeeda should be considered.

Emm4:
■ Who founded Christianity if it is a religion? Jesus ? Or Paul? Where did these people said they have come to establish religions?

Christianity was not founded by either of Jesus Christ or Paul though. So, your last question, I cannot answer for you. I can tell you though that Christianity was made official by the Romans thanks to the Roman Empire, Constantine, who made it the official religion of Rome creating the foundation of your churches today.

Jesus Christ was an antireligion. Jesus Christ is famously known to have disavowed the religion that existed in His time — Judaism — beginning with its religious leaders and their doctrines which He proclaimed were antiChrist lies meant to deceive and delude the multitudes away from the Truth of God. Christianity as a religion is lifted as being modeled after the very religion disavowed meaning it too has nothing to do with Jesus Christ. Of course, no religion was granted an exemption by Jesus Christ, so no religion can claim legitimacy by His name.

AbuTwins:
■ Of course! It will only make sense when the terrorism comes outside the Bible! Biblical terrorism doesn't make sense!
■ No! Al-Qaedah waged war against the invading Soviet Union in Afghanistan around 1979! USA (of which Israel is a subset of) and others funded them through a third party since the Soviets were also like an enemy to them! After the war the group still retains the millions $ worth of ammunitions and support! Hamas came around in the 80s if I'm not mistaken when the terrorism of Israel has gotten to another height. USA will always go against anyone who is against its allies! USA will support anyone who fights their enemies e.g. Russia! Of what use is my own support? The world order is flawed just as the definition of terrorism!

Of course, it can never make sense when the God of Israel is the one who is written to have destroyed His own Israel(and Judah). So no well-meaning individual would do anything in His name in this day and age.

2. Now you are simply telling tales! My question is why the words of Hamas should be given credence while Alqueeda according to you should not have been?