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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Call Pastors "Father" When The Bible Says We Should Not? by Kobojunkiee: 12:39am On Apr 28, 2021
omonnakoda:
How and why does that matter?

I have no understanding of it as a truth just a story that I read
Just like I have understanding of stories I read about Bobrisky does that make those stories TRUTHS?
You may not know it as your truth, but you know it as His Truth. undecided
That is what matters in this case. undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Call Pastors "Father" When The Bible Says We Should Not? by Kobojunkiee: 12:23am On Apr 28, 2021
omonnakoda:
I understand a tale does not make that tale a TRUTH does it?

It is just a story that some dudes wrote a long time ago
What matters is that you have understanding of His one Truth in this case. undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Call Pastors "Father" When The Bible Says We Should Not? by Kobojunkiee: 12:11am On Apr 28, 2021
omonnakoda:
I understand what Boko Haram are trying to do that does not make it The Truth of Shekarau
does it?
That may be so, but in this case, you know and understand one of the many Truths(laws) given by Jesus Christ and that is all. undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Call Pastors "Father" When The Bible Says We Should Not? by Kobojunkiee: 11:54pm On Apr 27, 2021
omonnakoda:
Which truth of Christ ?

Is your head hurting you?

I am a confirmed Ogun Lakaaye Adherent . I have not sold out my heritage to Hebrew Tales.

I just find the Bible stories to be quite entertaining though like the one about Manna falling from the sky and Lot's wife turning into a pillar or salt.
Nice bedtime reads especially when I can't sleep
Interesting how many black people people that there actually was a Garden of Eden and Noah herded mae and female of all the animals into an Ark
Don't you ask how and why Jehovah never sent anyone to black people
The Truth of Jesus Christ in this case is that you are not to call anyone Father in His name. You at least understand that, and that is all here! undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by Kobojunkiee: 11:51pm On Apr 27, 2021
petra1:
Righteousness and sinlessness are not thesame. Righteousness is a gift received through new birth. It is the new nature christ gave to us.

Romans 5:17
. . . they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousnes shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ


Question is if the gift of righteousness is less than what Christ had or did christ give the church lesser Righteousness
Holiness/Perfection(sinlesssness) comes before Righteousness and this is true in both the Old and New Covenants. You cannot obtain God's Rigteousness without first becoming Holy and Holy through submission and obedience to the commandments of God in either case. undecided

Jesus Christ died so that through His death, those formerly sinners(lost sheep of israel) are made holy(His Holiness), and then righteous(His Righteousness) and then dead(His death) to the Old Covenant Law, but reborn in the New Covenant Law. undecided

Christ's righteousness(and death) guarantees them the promise of Abraham which only belongs to those of the blood of Jacob. undecided

Once made alive in the New Covenant, they being alive to the New Law are expected to seek the Kingdom of God and God's righteousness through obedience of the commandments of the New Covenant Law as contained in the teachings of Jesus Christ. undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Call Pastors "Father" When The Bible Says We Should Not? by Kobojunkiee: 11:41pm On Apr 27, 2021
omonnakoda:
Did you read and comprehend what you quoted before saying I am mistaken?

Did I say Jesus taught that to the Pharisees?

If you do not understand English it is not my role to help you

What you have said is completely off point and tangential.


The point is that in those days there was a practice of calling Pharisees and other religious leaders; "Rabbi" which when translated could mean My Master ,My Teacher or Father

This is what was in contention here. The idea was to bring an end to that practice
To bring to an end a practice that is even today very much alive among those of the Old Covenant Law of Moses and now thrives among those in Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Law. undecided

The good news is you at least do not reject the Truth of Jesus Christ in this unlike many of this very thread. undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Am now a born again, should I sent my three wives away? by Kobojunkiee: 11:06pm On Apr 27, 2021
compton11:
they are all your wives
there is no where God said u cant have more than one wife
grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by Kobojunkiee:
petra1:
The new testament was only effected after his death.

Heb 9:16 — Heb 9:17
For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
The goal was to fulfill the Old Covenant Law of Moses, obtaining the promise included of a forever in the land of Canaan, and the only way was to live and die in one's righteousness, as death is the only way to be free from the hold of the Law .i.e dead to the Law and alive in Jesus Christ(the New Law)undecided

Jesus Christ lived and died a righteous man by Old Covenant standards , on behalf of each and everyone of the lost sheep of Israel(the sinners), who bound by the Old Covenant, would choose Him, the New Covenant instead, His righteousness "imparted" to each one who would - that is Christ's righteousness in even Paul's writings. undecided

Gentiles were never bound to the old law and so had and still have no part in Christ's righteousness since according to the Old Law,only those who of the blood of Jacob were bound to the Old Law in any way or form. undecided

As for life in the New Covenant, all are rendered equal since all are expected to seek God's Kingdom and God's Righteousness, through submission to and obedience of the commandments of Jesus Christ and the Will of God, in order to achieve the promised kingdom to Heaven and the treasures therein. And theundecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Smoke? by Kobojunkiee: 10:48pm On Apr 27, 2021
emzynuel1:
Even the apostles went usually gathered together
U must have forgotten iron sharpens iron
So it does not matter to you that Jesus Christ Himself declsred that He alone is Teacher? undecided

What matters more to you is that, though Jesus Christ never commanded any of your gatherings, His disciples did it? undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Smoke? by Kobojunkiee: 9:36pm On Apr 27, 2021
emzynuel1:
So you are saying you don't attend any church because u tink dey don't preach d truth
So by staying at home fo you think you would no d truth
Not because I think but because I know that the doctrines and traditions of men have nothing to do with the Truth of God, Jesus Christ, and this because Jesus Christ said so. undecided

Oh, God Himself has been my one and only Teacher, just as Jesus Christ declared it should be in His teachings and through the prophets. Jeremiah 31 vs 33 and then in Matthew 23 vs 8 -13. undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Am now a born again, should I sent my three wives away? by Kobojunkiee: 9:33pm On Apr 27, 2021
LisaAnneMia:
At the bolded, clearly he can't get it from humans.
He can't get it from humans? undecided

So humans do not know what God declared as sin from that which He did not? undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Am now a born again, should I sent my three wives away? by Kobojunkiee: 9:18pm On Apr 27, 2021
LisaAnneMia:
So every human should make decisions without bringing God to the picture? He should just go on ahead with whatever decisions without honouring God in his actions? I don't need to continue this discussion.

Op, I pray you do the right thing and allow the Holy Spirit lead you in making the right decision.
The Op is here asking of God's view on this supposed issue of his.

You told a tale of some other guy who supposedly came to know God in similar situation, and of how afterwards, his wives left him. And I am trying to understand how and if God played any real part in the man's wives eventually abandoning him. undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Smoke? by Kobojunkiee: 9:11pm On Apr 27, 2021
Emperor88:
He was accused wrongly, Jesus said he ate and drink but was accused of being a glutton and a drunk....Jesus was never a glutton or a drunk.... Oga go read your bible again.
Where exactly did Jesus Christ tell you that He did not eat as much as to be called a glutton, nor did He drink much to be considered a drunk though? undecided

Need I remind you that one Man's glutton is another man's healthy eater? undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Didn't God Forgive Adam And Eve? by Kobojunkiee: 9:10pm On Apr 27, 2021
viyon02:
Yes they were perfect before they sin, but when they sin imperfection set in and all their progenies automatically inherited imperfection.
How perfect where they that they sinned though? undecided

I really don't understand how Abel'a perfection, judged by God Himself as so, is not good enough to be compared to that of Adam's or Eve's. undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Am now a born again, should I sent my three wives away? by Kobojunkiee: 9:08pm On Apr 27, 2021
LisaAnneMia:
The women were unbelievers. They weren't interested anymore and they left. So how's that God's fault?
Just trying to understand where God fits into the whole deal is all. undecided

So, God had absolutely nothing to do with the other wives choosing to leave, and it was not that the man frustrated them out of some guilt that they eventually decided to pack up and leave? undecided

I ask because if in this guy's case, his wives do not make the move to leave, he does not maybe take it to mean God is against him, or something of that sort. undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Didn't God Forgive Adam And Eve? by Kobojunkiee: 9:03pm On Apr 27, 2021
viyon02:
point of correction, they are very close to perfection but they are not perfect, if they were, God could have use one of them in replacement for Jesus. But Jesus was perfect fit for the job thus God use him.
What? undecided

You claimed Adam and Eve where perfect......I guess I should ask of the standard of perfection you speak of. undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Smoke? by Kobojunkiee: 9:00pm On Apr 27, 2021
emzynuel1:
Dat the point
U tink it a llis because day my wat dey teach in ur church
N d orda guy whu attends anoda church thinks wat they teach u in ur church is a lie
Oya which church do you attend
You are not paying attention at all. I don't attend your churches because it is meaningless to claim I believe in the Truth of God yet it's to listen to the lies men tell in the name of God. undecided

Try to read my comments again so you understand what I am saying. undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by Kobojunkiee: 8:58pm On Apr 27, 2021
petra1:
Just leave matter bros

That was before his death. Now the righteousness made Available as gift wirhout the law

Rom 3:21 — Rom 3:22
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Christ's Righteousness even as spoken of by Paul IS NOT God's Righteousness. You may not know it now but the next time you read through even Paul's epistles, pay attention to that.

I am afraid you are also wrong about His death.His death was the completion of what He told you He came to do, which is to fulfill the Old Covenant on the behalf of those of the Old Covenant(the Lost sheep of Israel) who would switch to the New Covenant. undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Am now a born again, should I sent my three wives away? by Kobojunkiee: 8:51pm On Apr 27, 2021
LisaAnneMia:
Hi dear. I've heard of a case like this before. Cast this care upon Jesus and leave it to Him to handle. The case I heard of, it was the women who left themselves after he committed the situation into God's hands. It wasn't an immediate result but gradual... the first wife was left with him. Don't make decisions based on human advice or understanding. Let God lead you to make the right decisions. I believe everything will sort itself out. Don't make hasty decisions that you'll regret. Follow the promptings or leadings of the Holy Spirit. Allow your Abba Father to handle this.
The women who left in the case you described sinned against God, so are you suggesting that God had a hand in their sin? undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Didn't God Forgive Adam And Eve? by Kobojunkiee: 8:47pm On Apr 27, 2021
viyon02:
point of correction, Adam and Eve are both perfect. Imperfection came in when they sin again God.
But Abel, their son, was perfect in the eyes of God. So also were Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Job etc. undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Smoke? by Kobojunkiee: 8:41pm On Apr 27, 2021
almarthins:
you re overconfident, you think but you don't know.
Over confident about what? undecided
Don't know what? undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Smoke? by Kobojunkiee: 8:29pm On Apr 27, 2021
almarthins:
No you dont know him. You re far from him.
someone said, "If you say you love Him, Jesus Christ, but you do not keep His, Jesus Christ's, commandments, you are a liar and the Truth(Jesus Christ) does not live inside of you". undecided

So,far all you have done is present a wholly emotional argument on an issue that concerns sin, of which only God,even Jesus Christ, His Word, is arbiter of. Are you sure I am the one who does not know God here? undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Smoke? by Kobojunkiee: 8:21pm On Apr 27, 2021
almarthins:
I can tell that u r not even a Christian. You re jus merely intelligent. so u have no part in this matter.
Well, at least you admit to my knowing the one you claim to serve more than you do. undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Since Jesus Had No Seed, No Man Inherited His Righteousness by Kobojunkiee: 8:06pm On Apr 27, 2021
petra1:
Stop divergence. Is Jesus righteousness different from a Christian righteousness?

If the answer is NO. Then your teaching is faulty. (That's being polite )
Christ's Righteousness , even as discussed by Paul, IS NOT God's Righteousness. undecided

You are expected to seek the Kingdom of God and then God's righteousness. This is not done after with even if you are of those who were imparted Jesus Christ's Righteousness, which is doubt since you are not of the blood of Jacob - were not previously bound to the Old Covenant Law of Moses. undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Premarital Cohabitation Is A Sin. Desist From It. by Kobojunkiee: 7:50pm On Apr 27, 2021
AsherAmari:
I never preached any legal idea but used it as an example for some who may want to use legal backings to dump a woman they have been cohabiting with when issues starts arising. Please stop dragging me back

The acient landmarks are not bad. They are still in line with Jesus' teachings and are better than the recent practices im speaking against. so preaching and encouraging them is not out of place or would you rather I encourage them to continue in the Immoral of act?

Please I just got back from Bible studies and trying to meditate on what I learnt. Don't scatter my thoughts with this your unending arguments.

Go and sleep. tongue
How can ancient landmarks be of Jesus Christ when Jesus Christ said your marriages are of this world and not His Kingdom? undecided

How can your ancient landmarks and practices of old be of Jesus Christ when Jesus Christ made it clear that doctrines and traditions of men are nothing but lies as far as the Word of God is concerned? undecided

Your legal idea has no place with God who declare instead that a marriage is simply a man leaving his father and mother and cleaving to the woman he desires. Your legal is a complete departure from what God prescribed so how can it be of God? undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Smoke? by Kobojunkiee: 7:24pm On Apr 27, 2021
emzynuel1:
If different churches do preach the same ruth
Y are dere different churches
If the very foundations of your churches are built on lies, you expect them to be united thus in the lies they tell? Come on! undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Premarital Cohabitation Is A Sin. Desist From It. by Kobojunkiee: 7:22pm On Apr 27, 2021
AsherAmari:
I didn't post this for any arguement. I don't have the strength for that.
Those who got the message got it and im glad as that is the sole aim of this message.
Good day.
I am not arguing with you. Simply wanting to learn why you do not teach Jesus Christ but instead your ancient landmarks and practices of old, all this you do, in the name of God. undecided
You also teach your "legal" idea of marriage, which has nothing to do with God's definition of marriage too. undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Premarital Cohabitation Is A Sin. Desist From It. by Kobojunkiee: 7:04pm On Apr 27, 2021
AsherAmari:
Greetings to you my brethen.
Now, while cohabiting with someone else is not a sin in itself, based on the context
(premarital cohabitation) in which we are going to be looking at it in a nutshell, it is an act that could lead to sin. Eg, the sin of fornication.

A lot of people have deviated from the ancient landmark and practices of old that preserved our moral values and good conducts in time past. Everyone and even some Christians are now creating and following a wrong path and pattern of practice. promoting sexual Immorality hence the rise in moral decadence in the society. The worst of it is, parents, guardians and even some religious leaders have been silent about it, refusing to take a step towards putting a stop to these anormalies and the anger of God is kindled against those who do such.
Ancient landmarks? You mean your man-made traditions and cultures? They have nothing to do with God or Christianity though. undecided
And since Jesus Christ said God has left all the judging to Him as far as His flock is concerned, why are you waiting on the "anger of God" to be kindled against anyone? undecided
AsherAmari:
Read...
1 Samuel 3:12-14 In that day I will perform against Eli all things which I have spoken concerning his house: when I begin, I will also make an end.
For I have told him that I will judge his house for ever for the iniquity which he knoweth; because his sons made themselves vile, and he restrained them not.
And therefore I have sworn unto the house of Eli, that the iniquity of Eli's house shall not be purged with sacrifice nor offering for ever.
What has the house of Eli to do with Cohabitation, premarital or not? undecided
AsherAmari:
Premarital cohabitation is when two people of opposite sex are living together as husband and wife when they are not legally married. This practice is veeery common today in our society and has even crept into the house of God. You'll see a bro and a sis that are not married cohabiting and they still come and lift up "holy" hands in the house of God and join the workforce. This is very wrong in the sight of God and man.

They even have students couple where young boys and girls live together as spouses in school.

Some come to church and even join the work force as workers in the house of God but they are not legally married and they begin to birth children under this condition because no one is speaking up.
Does God only recognize your "legal marriages" where marriage is concerned?undecided
AsherAmari:
Now, When when these things become too much, it annoys God and He can get even with the fellow, Family or even group of people carrying out such evil practices in his sight. Just like he got angry with the sons of Eli and sent a warning to their father. telling him he would deal with his sons for their evil ways since Eli has refused to correct his children on their wrong doings just like no one is speaking up against this issue of premarital cohabitation, especially in the Church today.
It is nothing like the case of Eli and his sons please. Eli was the high priest in God's temple and so under a different set of rules as far as the Old Covenant is concerned, and that is one of the major reasons why God sought to humiliate him for the evil he wrought. Your average cohabitating couple occupies no such place and so are not to be compared with Eli in any way at all. undecided
AsherAmari:
Read...
1 Samuel 3:16-18
Then Eli called Samuel, and said, Samuel, my son. And he answered, Here am I.
And he said, What is the thing that the LORD hath said unto thee? I pray thee hide it not from me: God do so to thee, and more also, if thou hide any thing from me of all the things that he said unto thee.
And Samuel told him every whit, and hid nothing from him. And he said, It is the LORD: let him do what seemeth him good.

Instead of calling these people to order in the Church, everyone is feeling less concerned and forming, "I don't want to talk. Thou shalt not judge, It's God's house. Let Him handle it himself" bla bla...
Exactly Eli's reacting to God's warning. We saw how God dealt with him.
It seems you assume those engaged in this have no clue that they are living in sin(assuming that to be the case) and it is your place to correct them. But what if they are fully aware that they may be living in sin, what do you intend for your fellow churchians to do in that case? undecided
AsherAmari:
So my brethen, are you into premarital cohabitation? Please come out from it because apart from the spiritual inplications, there are other disadvantages of cohabiting with someone whom you're not legally married to.
Spiritual implications of living in sin? Those who live in sin are of their father, the devil, Jesus Christ said this, so what "spiritual implications" do you speak of? undecided
I seriously would like to know where God said,"...unless your marriage is "legal", it is not marriage I recognize"?undecided
AsherAmari:
We've heard cases of men who as a result of cohabiting with a girl was made to marry the corpse at death and perform the full marriage rites for the dead as tradition demands. Now, is that a good testimony?
Bullsheet story... I can give you more than 1000 stories of couples who you recognized as married today that cohabited before they were "legally" married, and are doing just fine.undecided
AsherAmari:
Repent now from these evil practice and let's go back to the ancient landmark and practices of old where we waited paitiently in our fathers houses until all rites are performed before coming to live together as man and wife. It is not a difficult task or thing to do.
Obviously, these people do not care for your ancient landmarks and practices of old, that is why they are openly indulging as they see fit. How can you offer them nothing better than the bondage they lived in previously as a reason to stop that which they consider freeing today? undecided
AsherAmari:
According to the book of
Genesis 29:18, 20-22, 28-29 And Jacob loved Rachel; and said, I will serve thee seven years for Rachel thy younger daughter.
And Jacob served seven years for Rachel; and they seemed unto him but a few days, for the love he had to her.
And Jacob said unto Laban, Give me my wife, for my days are fulfilled, that I may go in unto her.
And Laban gathered together all the men of the place, and made a feast.
And Jacob did so, and fulfilled her week: and he gave him Rachel his daughter to wife also.
And Laban gave to Rachel his daughter Bilhah his handmaid to be her maid.

See how long it took Jacob to get the love of his life. With hard work and respect for his would-be Father inlaw. That is how it is meant to be.

I pray the Lord gives us the grace to begin to retrace our steps back to the ancient landmark.
You actually want them to do what Jacob did? shocked
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Right For A " Man Of God" To Make Someone Blind? by Kobojunkiee: 6:40pm On Apr 27, 2021
Kuestions:
I don't understand why most pastors think God is a clown that you can call at anytime to your freak show to perform as you wish. just look at this pastor
https://youtu.be/
Jesus Christ never cursed or made anyone blind who was "hindering" His teaching of the Gospel and we also know that Jesus Christ commanded that we love our enemies and pray for them, not against them. undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Right For A " Man Of God" To Make Someone Blind? by Kobojunkiee: 6:38pm On Apr 27, 2021
Amotolongbo:
No problem if a Pastor can make a man blind.

But where the problem lies is if the same pastor can’t make a blind man see.

If a Pastor can’t make a blind man see but can make a man blind, that means the pastor is an agent of destruction and darkness,
ROFLMAO
grin cheesy grin cheesy grin grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Call Pastors "Father" When The Bible Says We Should Not? by Kobojunkiee: 6:33pm On Apr 27, 2021
omonnakoda:
The simple context is that the "God of men" Of the era i.e. the Pharisees were the subject of Jesus' remarks
I am afraid you are throughly mistaken there. Jesus Christ taught that to His followers and not the pharisees. If you would review the verses in the same context , you would realize this for yourself. undecided

His followers were with Him even when He was among the Pharisees and Jesus Christ took advantage of these many meetings to teach His followers His New Covenant, a doctrine different from that which was the tradition of the Pharisees of that time. undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It A Sin For A Christian To Smoke? by Kobojunkiee: 6:13pm On Apr 27, 2021
Akuruoulo:
SAY IT PLAIN. THE GIVER OF WHAT ?
Let's recall where this all started here.
Kobojunkiee:
Did you know that food also kills? Yes, if you unknowingly give peanuts to someone with food allergies, the person might die from it. But guess what? God did not make the giving of peanuts sin, so what gives? undecided
ROFLMAO!
grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy

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