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albahafs: When d Muslims say there are CONTRADICTIONS, INTERPOLATIONS, FABRICATIONS etc in d Bible Xtians get angry!!! The one above is a very good example.

You seem to be on the wrong end of the line.

After David became king, Elhanan killed the Philistine champion called Goliath.

By Femi Aribisala
Christians are confronted with the following contradictions about David in the bible. David is “a young boy, untrained for war:” David is a “skilled warrior.” David is living at home: David is living with Saul. David enters Saul’s service as a harp player: David enters Saul’s service as a Goliath-fighting warrior. Saul knows David and his father: Saul does not know David and his father.
Nevertheless, these turn out to be minor contradictions. There are more major ones in the bible that effectively lead to the conclusion that the whole story of David killing Goliath is fabricated.
Choice of David
The terms of the combat between the Israelites and the Philistines were ostensibly laid down by Goliath. Instead of having the two armies battle it out, he said: “Choose a man for yourselves, and let him come down to me. If he is able to fight with me and kill me, then we will be your servants. But if I prevail against him and kill him, then you shall be our servants and serve us.” (1 Samuel 17:8-9).
When David offers to meet this challenge, Saul is said to have told him: “You are not able to go against this Philistine to fight with him; for you are a youth, and he a man of war from his youth.” (1 Samuel 17:33). It therefore beggars belief that Saul would then agree to put the fate of the whole nation of Israel on the shoulders of inexperienced young David. While fully acknowledging that there is nothing God cannot do, it is not credible that Saul would agree that Israel should be represented by David’s incompetence, after all no directive about this came from God.
The idea that Saul may have been persuaded by David’s tale of having killed a lion with his bare hands just won’t cut it. Such tall tales are not believed without proof. Even more ludicrous is Saul’s agreement that little David should fight mighty Goliath without armour and with nothing but a catapult. Rather than provoke a revolt by his regular soldiers, Saul would have selected one of his trained and experienced military officers to do the job.
Two different killings
And then there is the problem of the actual killing of Goliath. Did David kill Goliath with a catapult or did he kill him with a sword? The bible is double-minded, recording two contradictory oral traditions side-by-side. As a result, David killed Goliath twice. The first time, he killed him with a catapult: “So David prevailed over the Philistine with a sling and a stone, and struck the Philistine and KILLED HIM. But there was no sword in the hand of David.” (1 Samuel 17:50-51). The second time, David killed him with a sword: “Therefore David ran and stood over the Philistine, took his sword and drew it out of its sheath and KILLED HIM, and cut off his head with it. (1 Samuel 17:51).
We are then told what David did with Goliath’s head: “David took the head of the Philistine and brought it to Jerusalem, but he put his armor in his tent. (1 Samuel 17:54). This is nothing but pure fiction. David could not have taken Goliath’s head to Jerusalem at this time because the Israelites had not yet captured Jerusalem from the Jebusites.
According to 2 Samuel, Jerusalem was not captured from the Jebusites until after David became King: “The time came when King David and his men set out to attack Jerusalem. The Jebusites, who lived there, thought that David would not be able to conquer the city, and so they said to him, ‘You will never get in here; even the blind and the crippled could keep you out.’ (But David did capture their fortress of Zion, and it became known as ‘David’s City.’)” (2 Samuel 5:6-7).
This suggests then that, in the original story, David was already king when Goliath was killed. Indeed, in the version crediting Elhanan with killing Goliath, David is already king and Elhanan is a member of his elite fighting squad. (2 Samuel 21:19).
More anomalies
The confusion in the bible account is compounded by the fact that while we are told in 1 Samuel 17:54 that after killing Goliath, David carried his head to Jerusalem; three verses later we are told he carried it elsewhere: “Then, as David returned from the slaughter of the Philistine, Abner took him and brought him before Saul with the head of the Philistine in his hand.” (1 Samuel 17:57).
David was then made a General in the Israeli army, and we are told this promotion of a young upstart over older more-experienced soldiers pleased everyone including Saul’s officials. (1 Samuel 18:5). This is nothing short of political propaganda.
City of refuge
But the clincher is as follows. After ostensibly killing Goliath, David became so popular that Saul soon saw him as a threat to his throne. He was determined to kill him and David had to run for his life. Of all the places that David could find to seek refuge, he ended up in Philistine territory: “That day David fled from Saul and went to Achish king of GATH.” (1 Samuel 21:10). This is absolutely incredible. How could the arch-enemy of the Philistines seek refuge in Philistine territory? Of all the cities that David could choose for safety, he chose Gath, the very hometown of Goliath: “So David dwelt with Achish at GATH, he and his men, each man with his household.” (1 Samuel 27:3).
This is conclusive proof that David did not kill Goliath. If he did, the last place he would seek refuge would be in Goliath’s hometown. That is a sure way to get him killed. But according to the bible record, David not only lived for years among the Gittites, the people of Gath, he was even prepared to go to war on their side against Israel. However, the Philistine commanders objected on the grounds that he could not be trusted: “He must not go with us into battle, or he will turn against us during the fighting. How better could he regain his master’s favor than by taking the heads of our own men? Isn’t this the David they sang about in their dances: ‘Saul has slain his thousands, and David his tens of thousands’?” (1 Samuel 29:4-5).
This is another giveaway. It shows that whatever tens of thousands David killed; they could not have been Philistines and certainly could not have included Goliath the Gittite. As a matter of fact, when David became king, his bodyguards were 600 Philistines headed by Ittai the Gittite. (2 Samuel 15:18-22). If after all this you still think David killed Goliath the Gittite, then you are entitled to your gullibility.
Let me try and draw some more plausible conclusions than the classical David killed Goliath fable. David was a soldier in Saul’s army. He performed such great exploits that the people sang about him killing tens of thousands to Saul’s thousands. Saul felt threatened by David and decided to kill him. David sought refuge in Philistine territory. After David became king, Elhanan killed the Philistine champion called Goliath. His head was then brought to Jerusalem. (Continued).
Source: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/11/david-became-king-elhanan-killed-philistine-champion-called-goliath/

I had a little argument with a cousin of mine on whether it is compulsory to take a Bible to church going by the recent advancement in technology where you can have the Bible on your phone or not.
Some churches even have projectors where any Bible verse to be read is displayed.
Also for some who branch to other places like the market after service, to me, carrying the Bible along may constitute an extra luggage.
So the question is
IS IT COMPULSORY TO CARRY A BIBLE (Hard Copy) TO CHURCH WHEN THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS?

As funny and probably inane as this might sound I still think it's worth debating on.
Leaving out the extravagant lifestyle any Nigerian would love to live but considering only the basic needs and the present economic situation in the country, how much do you think should be the salary of a fresh graduate in Nigeria?

Burger01: Jonathan or no Jonathan the north would not get the presidency.. not in the nearest future.. Btw, na you be Boko Haram spokesman?...

Is the question for me or...?

The President of Ondo State Unification of Cherubim and Seraphim, Primate Ademisokun Turton has stated that the incessant killings by the outlawed Islamic sect,Boko Haram will come to an end as soon as President Goodluck Jonathan discloses his 2015 political ambition.

The cleric said this in Akure, Ondo state capital at the inauguration of the Unification of the Churches in the state that the insecurity situation in Nigeria will come to an end the moment President Goodluck Jonathan makes it public that he is not re-contesting in 2015.


According to him, “amnesty or no amnesty, the activities of the sect will continue until our President speaks out on his political ambition come 2015.”

Turton who heads the Success Cathedral of the Church in the state alleged that Northern leaders are behind the growing insecurity in the country, believing that they can make it a campaign issue.

He said that the plan of the North was to regain power in 2015, adding that he was against the granting of amnesty to the faceless group who are bent at tearing the country apart.

Source
http://news.naij.com/30920.html

Nigerians seem smarter than the crowd in Jesus’ time; if Pontius Pilate were president, he would understand us better. Pontius Pilate was a poor judge of character, a wimp, who washed his hands after declaring the crucifixion of an innocent man. But at least he listened to the people…and they weren’t even in a democracy! Many Nigerian leaders think this is a synonym for the other nine letter word that takes place in 2015-e-l-e-c-t-i-o-n-s.
Oh! What do simple minds like ours knowabout the inner workings of leading a nation? Let’s just stick to the Bible stories.So, by this time next week, it will be Good Friday, and just as Barrabas’ wrists were free when Jesus was being nailed to the cross, Alamaseiygha can wave his hands in freedom. The few who felt he should have been punished did not dare question Pilate’s decision, and the night ended. But over 2,000 years later, Jesus has more followers than ever, but whatever happened to Barnabas?

vanguardngr.com

convicted robbers who had a confession beaten outof them in police cell; the thousands of Bayelsans who lost access to free education and health provision because of the money Alamieyeseigha stole; the Bill Gates who pump billions into eradicating polio in a country whose leaders seem to care less; the security agents home and abroad who spent theirtime, energy and money to catch this thief; the Nigerian children we leave with the legacy “steal as much as you can, if you get caught, you only have to pay a fineor call your friends in high places. You canalso come back and run for public office.”African China was right: “Poor man wey thief money, dem go show im face forcrime fighters,” beg to add, Rich man wey thief unco? Dem go see im face for forbes.

By Laju Arenyeka
Crucify him, but release Barrabas to us!” the Jews screamed, and Pontius Pilate was shocked to his toes. He had assumed that the Jews would want Jesus instead, him being blameless and all, instead of a robber who had terrorized the entire city.
Rumours had it that when the international police tried to catch him, he dressed up as a woman to deceive them…oops, wrong theology, that was Former Bayelsa state governor, ‘His Excellency’, Diepreye Alamieyeseigha whoafter stealing large amounts of public funds and sentenced to jail on corruption charges, now roams the streets of the world freely.
He is Pilate’s, sorry President Goodluck Jonathan’s early Easter gift to all Nigerians. Only this time, we could have sworn we asked for Jesus…you know, the thousands languishing behind prison gates many of whom have waited for more than ten years without being tried; the poor who have been sentenced to jail for years for stealing a goat or vegetables in the market;

Some forty Nigerian soldiers surrounded a suspected militant's hideout in Badoo suburb of Sokoto township leading to a fierce gun battle. A soldier and five militants have reportedly died from the ensuing gunfight that lasted hours.
The suspected gun men reportedly rented a flat in a new housing Estate in Bado area, using the house as their operational base.
Last year May Islamist militants in Sokoto were attacked by British and Nigerian soldiers in a botched attempt to rescue two Europeans held hostage there.
Just last week armed robbers in broad daylight attacked traders at old market and carted away goods and cash worth several millions of naira after they have injured several people.
source: saharareporters.com

Vikin: Who are we choosing for? You?

Will it make any difference?

KINGwax: automobiles dnt save nada except ur energy. It's a nice luxury, forget wot u knw.
Hope furtherin leaves u an assurance of work abi u go still dey search ni?
Marriage is necessary bt why didnt u include business?
Are u o.k?

Perfectly o.k. Business won't be a bad option but those are the three glaring basic needs for now depending on many unmentioned facts

Dear NL, I have decided to use this medium to seek advice from you on a very bothering issue.
At 33, which would be your priority
Furtherance of your Education (Masters), Life Partner (Marriage), Automobile (Car) To Ease the Stress of Transportation and Possibly Save Money for Something else.
Please ONLY constructive responses.

[quote author=~Bluetooth]My dad likes tiny waist,boobylicious and assylicious bi't'ch and I do too. [/quote]Does that make your mama "bi't'ch" or rather his concubines?
Just asking so next time BE PRECISE!!!

chrisxxx: There is need (if there is any) for us to know beforehand of any prediction or prophesy concerning the final score of the above stated subject. We would not want to receive an after match prediction or warning of what would have been done.
A prior prophesy from the usual source would give subsequent ones credence and credulity.
We are waiting!

I see the game ending in a one-all (1-1) draw.
*incantations-#$&"~Eli-Jah. Kun faya kun*
Mikel Obi will loose a penalty kick
*Holy!!!@#$%^&*
The Zambian keeper will get their equaliser...

word bro

braine: Give her what she wants. Its not like you haven't had anything together before. She may go to any length to get what she wants or probably find someone else.

I am very sure you didn't mean what u just said "Give her..." HELL NO!

Strange as it may sound, my ex, now married still wants a feel of me. I have been trying all means to avoid her but it's obvious she's ready to go to any length to track me down.
Two Sundays ago, I got my first shocker of my the year when I responded to a knock on my door only to find her with her baby strapped behind her. I had to lie to her that I had a girl in the bedroom who wouldn't be pleased with her presence before she agreed to go home that day. Since then she's been sending me stupid messages on how angry she was with the treatment I gave her (even requesting for an apology) and how jealous she is that I had another girl with me on her unscheduled visit.
Dear NL, who do I take this case to or what face-saving action do I take?
Constructive responses please.

SAFO: If you love her like you say you do then wait. Although I can't possibly see what a 33 year old man would have in common with an 18 yr old

To each his own though.

What's impossible or crazy in love?

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I don't get you please...

egbe4real: ask her wat she want and hw she wants it done?

she wants nothing else but me and that I must wait for her to obtain marriageable age.

masterpiecer: answer these two question before i say anything:

1-What number of years is the gab between you both?

2-How old is she?

15 years

Will be 18 this year

Dear NL, I have a girl that we've been dating for a year plus now. There's a wide age gap between us which is affecting our decisions and plans for marriage. The love is there but she's not set for marriage now and I don't want to wait any longer. I told her of my plans to get another girl so I can get married and she swore it will never happen as long as she lives.

Please help me out as in what do I do?

Only constructive answers please.

naptu2: If I don't get banned by pyguru, then I'll post the articles in full.

http://www.trust.org/alertnet/news/kenyan-farmers-use-sms-to-beat-climate-driven-price-uncertainty


http://ukulima.net/info/

guy, don't mind Nigerians with their irrational ways of thinking. They never see anything good in most govt policies but to be honest how plausible and transparent is the implementation?

@op, ur thread sucks
anyway, go ask em kids, they sure got the right answer for u

What most ppld dnt knw is dat it's nt d expertise of these goats dat make dem succeed in their missions bt rada dey succeed only in places where dey are accepted by muslim brodas wu think dey wil finally get bak at d xtians thru dem. Why didnt dey last in Kano? Dats cos d governor threatened 2 expose dose behind d whole thing. Y did they chose Jos n Kaduna 2 operate now? Its cos those states hve xtians wu are nt ready 2 bow down 2 dem. Xtians wu retaliate any time dey attack dem. Dey dnt feel any pinch in wat they are doin n b prepared, they wil stil strike again. Wat d govt ought 2 do nw is arrest or threaten d islamic leaders of states where they suceed n c wat result dat wld yield