₦airaland Forum

toba:
well im still not satisfied. we are being tricked and lied to.

The 1.3t was at least part of the 2011 budget of 4.43trillion naira meaning it was sourced from where the entire budget was sourced from. so where is the source of the 1.3 trillion to be saved? if they want to tell us its going to be sourced from same place as the budget then the 2012 budget = 4.48t +1.3t=N5.78 trillion.

we have bad accountants and economists in Ngr govt. simple

toba:
we need to ask ourselves that where is the so called N1.3t going to come from? it wasnt included in the budget and so are they also going to borrow money to have the N1.3t to spend? we are simply fooling ourselves.

did GEJ tell us how much was budgeted in the yr 2010 fiscal yr for subsidy. was it as high as 1.3t ? how much was spent annually since he came to power with yar adua in 2007? how come just in 10month we spent 1.3t to cater for the 35million litres of PMS that we have been consuming since 1999?

under obj there was a time oil price rose up to $140/barrel yet we didnt spend 1.3t to subsidize. in 2011 oil price stood between $80-$105. how did they spend 1.3t ?

Obiagu1:
Agreed. Some of the savings will be used to cushion the effect which I call "indirect partial subsidy".

Where we have disagreement is that you are demanding for it "now and not later" like you said or you'll strike, demonstrate, etc. Assuming the government tells you 20% of the savings will be ploughed back to the economy to help cushion the effect and you agree but it turns out that they actually needed to plough back 40% to make it easier for Nigerians, who do you then blame? Go on strike again? Demonstrate, riot, whatever?

Government will handle the situation as it unfolds and prices might only rise to "near" affordable levels without any help from the government.

toba:
I think we misunderstood this whole policy implementation coupled with the strategy adopted by Ngozi, Gej and Sanusi.

They siad 'we would commence the removal of fuel subsidy from 2012/2015' meaning they didnt intend to do it at once.

Now just as the op said, we shd strike and protest, then the price will come to about N100 then in 2014, the price will get to say 130/140 final destination.

Its tactics as told by OBJ.

houvest:
The way I see it the removal will not be done completely. Eventually there will be negotiations and government will pipe down and remove just some of the subsidy not all. No matter how painful or costly economically it is for GEJ, he will not want to fight so many battles at different fronts at the same time. By the time Labour cripples the economy, Government will come to negotiate as OBJ did. I think that Govt strategy is to aim at the sky and fall at the roof. The restlessness in the Nation coupled with the BH and other issues make it difficult for the govt to be rigid about this issue

Obiagu1:
Good, I agree it is our money but you wrote this:

What's the picture you portrayed in the above post look like?
A country that is going broke! Get it.

When we no longer have Excess Crude Account because it was depleted to finance your subsidy, where do you expect future funding for the subsidy to come from? More taxation? Desolution of the government because they have no more money to work with?

The probabilities in my statement were in line with my position, government is not absolutely certain the extent of measures to help out her citizens in the eventual rise in prices but they know the measures to take. Get the difference.

ActiveMan:
Please i really want to know the

EFFECT OF FUEL SUBSIDY ON THE COMMON MAN ON THE STREET

no big grammar. enlightening me and other Nigerians who want to know

Obiagu1:
The two statements do not add up and do not make sense.

First of all, the essence of your OP was that the GEJ government should provide you palliative measures sooner than later. It's like trying to force someone to pay for your medical expenses "now" when you're not yet sick and have not gone to see a doctor.

So lets stick to the topic. Now the question is what do you want to get?
Of course, prices will rise but to what level? No one knows. People still use generators at home but power supply will be deregulated so probably in the nearest future, you won't have to use those generators any more.
Refineries, public or private, might spring up to take advantage of subsidy removal and the impact of subsidy removal will be minimized.

So in essence, you're asking for what you don't know yet and have not experienced.

Okonjo-Iwella has said that measures will be put in place to "cushion" any adverse effect that might come up due to subsidy removal. The extent of such measures is not yet known so you have to give the government the chance to manage the situation if things do not go well.

Obiagu1:
You're not just making sense. What's your point?

Obiagu1:
@ koruji

Are you people bent on disrupting the government through riots, strikes, etc even when you have admitted that removal of fuel subsidy would save the Nigerian State from inevitable collapse?

Why put the cart before the horse?
As it stands now, no one is absolute certain of what would be the immediate impact of fuel subsidy removal, so why "demonstrate how bad the removal of subsidy is to your welfare" when you've not yet felt anything yet?
Why go out to demonstrate to "force GEJ to provide the palliative measures that he knows are needed SOONER THAN LATER" when some possible palliative measures were announced by Okonjo-Iwella some time ago?

Palliative measures will come in in phases as events unfold.

mikeansy:
Koruji what about the impact this will have on inflation and goods pricing. You forget that everything depends on the cost of petrol in terms of transportation/energy cost?

This is a very dumb move!!! this Government will bear the brunt!!!

stagger:
Well, it has finally arrived.

This week, I am heading to a sports shop to buy a sports bicycle to be riding around my neighbourhood and surrounding areas.

Nigerians, we need to readjust out mentality now and start riding bicycles to improve our physical fitness.

I am losing my pot belly in three months, and I am sure our ladies will find it attractive if their men follow suit. So let us stop complaining about the subsidy removal. I am one of those against subsidy removal 100%, but the fact is that by the time Nigerians stop using cars the way we use them, the demand for PMS will fall and the service station owners will be forced to crash prices to attract patronage.


Simple!

Princek12:
Even though I am somewhat on the fence on this issue, I am leaning towards in support of the removal of the fuel subsidy. While it appears on its face that ordinary Nigerians would suffer because of this move, I think the country would benefit from the subsidy on the long run (assuming the money saved would be used to develop our decayed infrastructure).

Beaf:
[size=14pt]Nigerian cities in lockdown after emergency decree [/size]
From: AFP
January 02, 20121:59AM

NIGERIA began the new year Sunday under a state of emergency in areas targeted by Islamist attacks as soldiers flooded hard-hit cities in a bid to end spiralling violence in Africa's most populous nation.

Residents in the northeastern city of Maiduguri reported a sharp increase in patrols and checkpoints, with soldiers in pickup trucks and armed with rifles stopping vehicles and forcing drivers to exit while also questioning them.

In the central city of Jos, security agents took over local government headquarters and two helicopters hovered overhead, while intensified patrols occurred on the ground.

Beaf:
[size=14pt]Nigerian cities in lockdown after emergency decree [/size]
From: AFP
January 02, 20121:59AM

Many of his previous pronouncements sought to minimise the attacks and reassure the country that the violence was only temporary and would soon be brought to an end despite near daily shootings and bombings.

While some welcomed the declaration, others raised concerns that it would provide legal cover for soldiers to carry out further abuses.

A military task force in Borno state has been accused in recent months of killing civilians and burning homes after bomb attacks, claiming residents collaborated with the extremists.

"The declaration of a state of emergency by the federal government will not stop or reduce the spate of violence across the affected areas, but will simply be a blank cheque for human rights violations by security agents," said northern-based rights activist Shehu Sani.

"Civilians will continue to be at the mercy of the military and the militants. Dialogue still remains the valid option to end this bloodletting."

The country was also facing the threat of protests, as regulators on Sunday announced the start of a controversial measure expected to lead to an increase in petrol prices.

Hundreds of people have been killed in 2011 alone in attacks blamed on Boko Haram, most in the northeast.

An early version of the group formed in 2004, though it has taken on different forms since that time. It launched an uprising in 2009 put down by a brutal military assault which left some 800 dead.

It is believed to have several factions, including those with political links as well as radical Islamist cells.

There has been intense speculation over whether it has formed links with outside extremist groups, such as Al-Qaeda's north African branch.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/nigerian-cities-in-lockdown-after-emergency-decree/story-e6frf7k6-1226234513141

buzugee:
IF you have time, watch this series (over 10 videos). the guy cross references the bible, history textbooks and maps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEciHIthNNo&feature=related

Buhari - Chaos Looms
Nuruddeen M. Abdallah
29 December 2011

Former head of state Muhammadu Buhari yesterday said the country is sliding into total breakdown of law and order because of injustice, bad governance and "massive and mindless" stealing of public resources.

In a bluntly worded statement he personally signed, in reaction to the Supreme Court judgment dismissing his party's petition against the presidential election, General Buhari said Nigeria was "now a fractured society, corruption everywhere, violence everywhere, a sense of helplessness and hopelessness nearly everywhere."

He said unless the leaders of the country move fast to arrest the situation, chaos would set in and there would be breakdown of law and order.

But he said it does not look like the leaders are concerned with the grave situation, as while "the country is sliding into this chaotic state, PDP governments at the centre and in the states are engaged in massive and mindless plunder of the country's resources in total disregard of the suffering masses."

"The country now is in an emergency situation. Law and order can break down at any time. Those in charge of the country should be warned that promises and sweet words are no substitute for practical action. To avert the looming chaos in the New Year, immediate steps should be taken to drastically reduce the cost of governance in the three tiers of government."

Buhari detailed the governance costs he wanted slashed: "Salaries and especially allowances should be drastically reduced; security votes should be abolished - not increased as the 2012 Budget has done. Votes for the Armed forces, Police and Security Services should be transparent and accountable; foreign travel and estacodes should be stopped for at least six months other than for the Presidency, Ministry of Foreign Affairs and medical emergencies. Government House expenses in all the states should be drastically reduced, foreign travel suspended for a while.

The National Assembly should give a lead in reducing their allowances substantially and stopping their foreign travels. These savings should be applied to education, infrastructure and agriculture with emphasis on youth employment through meaningful and practical emergency programmes. The public will see through any cosmetic or token gestures and will not tolerate a continuation of status quo. Corruption and plunder are the root causes of unemployment, insecurity, violence and unrest."

He added: "If all hands are on deck to help save our country from imminent collapse we should stabilize. When that happens Nigeria should take a close look at the country's structure in a calm and unemotional atmosphere. Hopefully we may come to a better form of government to see Nigeria through the next 50 years."

Buhari unsuccessfully contested for president in the April election on CPC's platform, and his party challenged the results at the tribunal, even though he personally refused to join the case. The Court of Appeal earlier dismissed the petition for failing to convincingly show that the elections were rigged, and yesterday the Supreme Court concurred.

On yesterday's judgement, Buhari said: "All who witnessed the conduct of the 2011 elections would know that this decision of the Supreme Court is politically motivated and has little judicial content."

He said, "This Supreme Court has proved no better than the Supreme Courts of 2003 and 2007" having toed a similar line of dismissing the election petition.

Buhari said this year's election "eclipsed all the other elections in the depth and scope of forgery and rigging."

He criticised INEC chairman Attahiru Jega, who he said "was touted as competent and a man of integrity. He has proved neither."

DuDelignc:
They say Buhari did not win the election, Jonah did.  Then why is Buhari calling the shorts, in fact, setting the agenda.  A few days ago, after stating the obvious, that Nigeria is in a state of emergency, Buhari went further to outline his idea of the way forward for Nigeria.  Suddenly, here it is two days later, Jonah has declared a state of emergency.  Could it be that the "loser" is teaching the "winner" how to run a government without charging for the expert advice?

http://news.yahoo.com/nigeria-president-declares-emergency-north-164323735.html

Ileke-IdI:
se your nose dey ja sinsin (smelling sth delicious).

Abi na only we ekitis use that term?

Amen ooooooooooooooooo.

Ileke-IdI:
Egbon make we yarn o, wetin dey hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? kilo sele? se ko si? se o dun? se ko ni'yo ju? se ata ko po ju? se imu yin ja sinsin?

Ileke-IdI:
Koruji, wey your mind dey always enter gan sef. Oya make we discuss am this new year

Negro_Ntns:
Mine:  To be an agent of change, to step above differences that divide us and build a bridge of love, harmony and beauty. May GOD help me.

May the message of GOD reach far and wide!
What is yours?

Ileke-IdI:
to give as much booty as I'll be getting o.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizraim
Mizraim (Hebrew: מִצְרַיִם / מִצְרָיִם, Modern Mitzráyim Tiberian Miṣrāyim / Miṣráyim ; cf. Arabic مصر, Miṣr) is the Hebrew name for the land of Egypt, with the dual suffix -āyim, perhaps referring to the "two Egypts": Upper Egypt and Lower Egypt.

Ugaritic inscriptions refer to Egypt as Msrm, in the Amarna tablets it is called Misri, and Assyrian and Babylonian records called Egypt Musur and Musri. The Arabic word for Egypt is Misr (pronounced Masr in Egyptian colloquial Arabic), and Egypt's official name is Gumhuriyah Misr al-'Arabiyah (the Arab Republic of Egypt).

According to Genesis 10, Mizraim (a son of Ham) was the younger brother of Cush and elder brother of Phut and Canaan, whose families together made up the Hamite branch of Noah's descendants. Mizraim's sons were Ludim, Anamim, Lehabim, Naphtuhim, Pathrusim, Casluhim (out of whom came Philistim), and Caphtorim.

buzugee:
First off, Happy new year. Now that we got that out of the way lets get down to business. If you think what i am saying is wrong why dont you offer the right representations of what happened ? logically, if i disagree with something, i would offer without it being requested of me, the right explanation. Or is it that you dont know the answers but feel the need to throw in your hollow 2 cents ? Prove me wrong. thats all i ask. you cant because my point is backed by numerous history books as well as the bible as well as all kinds of historic encyclopedic periodicals. PROVE ME WRONG. oh and there are many varieties of african  black people all over the world but they all fall under shemetic or hamitic. this is the easiest way to know-dark skinned tall lanky caucasoid features, streamlined face and islamic is 99 percent more likely to be hamitic. the rest are shemetic

Let me start by saying that all 'black' people are not the same. We are not from the same seed. There are two kinds of black people. The Hamitic black people and the Shemitic black people.

       Hamitic black people will encompass the hausas, fulanis, cushites (erritreans, somalians, sudanese, and ethiopians) and the ancient egyptians (not the ones who live their today. those are ishmaelites or arabs ). Hamitic black people though black skinned are almost always tall, lanky, stream-lined faces, aquiline noses and caucasian features. So next time a somalian or ethiopean person tells you that they are not negro, they are right, they are Hamitic people. Hamites are almost always muslims. Hamitic black people are from the seed of Ham. There is a biblical curse on them. The curse of ham. this is why everytime you turn around they are almost always in some severe pestilence such as severe famine etc etc.

       Shemetic black people are the so called 'negros'. Your so called 12 tribes of israel. These are the ones that have been cursed for disobeying the lords laws. These people have been in one kind of slavery or another ever since we lost favor with God from being used as slaves in egypt to build the pyramids (our slave masters then were the hamitic black people. the ancient egyptians) to being rescued by moses and taken to israel, and then been enslaved in israel and taken into a 70 year exile in babylonia by nebucadnezer to being allowed to return back to israel and then to being invaded by the romans and kicked out of israel into all parts of africa to being enslaved in africa in the trans-atlantic slave trade. the yorubas and igbos fall under this group. shemetic black people have wide noses, wide faces and what you generally will refer to as 'negroid features'. they are almost always christians and still maintain their ancient hebrew tradition of circumcision of their male children before 8 days. shemetic black people are from the seed of shem

      Hamitic and Shemetic black people are not the same and have different religions and the hamitic blacks (fulanis and hausas) have enslaved the shemetic blacks (igbos and yorubas) in the past. Our religion is also different and whenever you have a situation in which both types of black people exist in a country (such as in mauritania, sudan and nigeria), there is always violence and conflict. the hamitic blacks feel superior to the shemetic blacks and feel like they should rule over them. That in a nutshell is the framework and blueprint to the boko haram conflict.

     I am now, more than ever convinced that this is not about western bruhaha to get oil. Heck, nigeria is the most subservient nation you would ever get on the planet. You dont need to bomb us for our oil. you can have all the oil you want. we, as a country are docile and peace-loving. we are not 'rogue nations'. this is not about oil. this is about weaponry. outside forces are stoking the flames of a traditional life-long disunity between hamitic and shemetic black people and in return they get to peddle billions of dollars of their weaponry. its all about the dollar dollar bill yall.

koruji:
I am sorry, but words mean nothing right now.

There should be a BH war room in Aso Rock by now. After the Xmas bombings, GEJ should have:

1. Closed all our land borders on the northern half of the country - for a month in the first instance.
2. Immediately establish a line of defence across the country from just above Abuja involving roads, river and air.
3. Declare a state of emergency in several northern states, replace their governors and put army generals in place.

And that would be the beginning.

ndu_chucks:
If Buhari, who condemned the dastardly acts of Boko Haram  is not considered an elite, then you need to provide us with your definition of the word.  I warned you of the obvious repercussions of rigging the presidential elections and you accused me of threatening GEJ. I hope you now see that my observations back then were spot on - you can continue to wallow in denial if you wish.

You should be ashamed of yourself for writing the bolded. Why are you prescribing brute force for the Boko Haram problem when your fellow terrorists, MEND, who also murdered innocent Nigerians in the name of freedom fighting, got amnesty and negotiations? olodo

BTW Negro_Ntns, is a sensible poster unlike you, whose objectivity has been compromised by blind loyalty. You don't need to label him as a terrorists because his opinion differs from yours.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-16366477

A blast has rocked an area near a mosque in the restive north-eastern Nigerian city of Maiduguri.

Witnesses said four people were killed but a military spokesman said there were two deaths, in a shootout between robbers and security forces.

Another army spokesman told the BBC the Islamist group Boko Haram was behind a "major incident" in the city.

Maiduguri has been plagued by attacks from Boko Haram, which wants to impose strict Sharia law across Nigeria.

The group has said it attacked several churches on Christmas Day, killing at least 42 people.

"There was a loud blast near the mosque just after the Friday prayers as people were trooping out of the mosque," one Maiduguri resident was quoted by the AFP news agency as saying.

"Everybody scampered to safety, leading to a stampede."

Another witness said he had seen four bodies.

A military spokesman, Lt Col Hassan Mohammed said armed robbers had attacked a market near a mosque, killing two people and critically injuring a third.

Another military spokesman, Brig Gen Isa, told the BBC there had been a "major incident". He gave no details of casualties, but said the army was holding Boko Haram responsible.

The group has been accused in the past of carrying out robberies to raise funds.


Tens of thousands of people have fled their homes in Maiduguri and other cities which have been attacked by Boko Haram, especially in nearby Yobe state.

Earlier this week, Nigeria's main Christian group warned that the community may have to defend itself if the security forces could not protect it.

Analysts said the move raised the spectre of communal clashes in Africa's most populous nation, which is divided between a largely Muslim north and a mainly Christian and animist south.

On Thursday, Nigeria's President Goodluck Jonathan summoned his security chiefs to discuss the Boko Haram threat.

The leaders of Chad and Cameroon, which are close to Maiduguri, are reported to have held talks about how they can help prevent the violence spreading across their borders.

The group, which originated in Maiduguri, this year staged suicide attacks on the headquarters of the UN and the national police in the capital, Abuja.

It was also responsible for a string of bomb blasts in the central city of Jos on Christmas Eve 2010, as well as a New Year's Eve attack on a military barracks in the capital.

Beaf:
Do you yet know the details of his plans or are you just gossipping and rumour mongering as usual with mama Bisi?