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egobetatoday:
i dont like the way this discussion is going now. was hoping you'll give me the bible verse so that i will quickly check and take decision about my faith since it will mean that Joseph was a pedophile. Now I am disappointed! well, will advise that if you must argue on anything, not only religion, have your facts intact. it helps your argument.
Yes, there are so many things not in the bible which we practice (As long as its not evil, and doesnt affect any human being or terminate someone's life. life is too precious) e.g 'shitting' in the toilet instead of doing shot put, cooking your food with gas...just joking lol. christians respect culture as long as u dont have to kill or do evil. Its not an issue if you dont celebrate christmas or u do. its not also important if u celebrate xmas on the 1st of dec or 25th. christianity is not after such trivial issues and no body will be judged by the day he celebrated xmas or not!
if marry's age was important it would have been mentioned. if it wasnt mentioned , dont you think you are misinforming people with
speculations which u cannot prove? like i said earlier, it doesnt help your argument.
Before i go into a futile attempt to calculate 59 - 33, kindly quickly read through the bible and tell me e.g Ezekiel 12:5-6 where the age of Mary was recorded as 59 at the time of death. *let me quickly get my calculator*

If you accord relevance to just what you see in the bible,then tithe isn't relevant,worshiping of Jesus isn't relevant because Jesus never called himself God or asked people to worship him.

erusen:
did any of those men died for the sins of mankind?Noah brought light yet few years after he died people arose again to start their sins afresh then moses brought the mosaic laws did it stop the children of isreal from sacrificing their children to Baal?Joshua a conqueror is now a light bringer ?your wonder who was the shining light of the world before jesus?so these prophets are your shining light in Islam?why did these prophet are prophesy about Jesus?Noah who built an ark which law did he make which parable did he institunalized?8

Noah only did what God asked of him..To warn his people,make them turn away from their sins,make them know there's forgiveness from God if ther repent because his the all-forgiven and believe in one God. That was the message all prophets came on earth to deliver.
Please are there still no sins after Jesus Left?

erusen:
according to your Quran right,so marayam was married off as a child?the church is the first day if the week or is not? if it
is well just so the early church attended service at the first day of the week,Jesus said am "I the the way the true and the light"he is the mediator between us and God stop reading the bible from your Quranic mindset you hear.so the bible that was written before Mohammed was born is not correct?

You just giving me stories..

I wonder who was shining light to the world of Abraham,Noah,Moses,Joshua,Joseph before the coming of Christ.

And yes his the light and the way,he came to show his people the way and also light up their world,just as God called Noah to also show his people the way and shine them light.

Not with the numerous corrections and editing done inside the bible. Do you even know how the bible came into existence?

luke10:
who is this dust?

Sup Luke? You have anything to add to the discourse?

egobetatoday:
Kumakunta, it looks like you have great knowledge of he bible and you are about to show us some truth. kindly quickly go thru the bible from Genesis to Revelation and show us this great truth- that Mary was 12yrs when she gave birth to Jesus. Just tell me e.g Malachi 35 :2 - 6 'it says....'. I'm waiting.

There are so many things that's not in the bible but which you guys practice.eg
Jesus saying 'I am God worship me'
Tithe
Going to church on sunday.
Christmas being 25 of December etc
Therefore you shouldn't expect Mary's age of betrothal to Joseph to be included.
Jesus died 33 yrs,mary died 59 and we know Mary didn't die immediately Jesus left. She lived for more than a decade. So do the calculations yourself.

neocortex:
Are you trying to say that the holy spirit illegally impregnated a minor ?

No be for my mouth you go hear that 1

egobetatoday:
You have pointed out 'instances' but i want to say u are still biased. i say you are biased because your 4 instances are on pastors who rape underaged children. Are you being sympathetic towards Yunusa? What these people are saying, paradventure you dont understand, is that yunusa is wrong. You should actually be happy because if this part of the constitution is enforced, even pastors who engage in such act will be rightly punished. I am surprised that you had to pinpoint these instances. Are they untouchable? Rev king has been served, what makes you think christians are against the judgement? Did you hear CAN justifying what he did, unlike MURIC? The only people who are against the judgement are his church members who said they are IPOB for setimental reasons so that they can garner support, what do you expect? I have been waiting to hear the judgement for Rev King, it took too long to come and i am happy. I am a christian and i WONT support anybody, whether a pastor, an imam, a nominal christian or muslim who violates the laws of the state AGAINST AN ADULT LET ALONE A MINOR. This, is where we differ and thats why i said you are biased. It shouldnt matter whether the offender is a muslim or christian what matters is a crime has been committed. Do you understand? I WILL GLADLY SUPPORT PUNISHMENT for any pastor who EVEN RAPES AN ADULT, CHILDREN INCLUSIVE. I am glad that finally the laws of the nigerian state will be effective and pastors who do such can be punished too. ARE YOU HAPPY THAT YUNUSA WILL BE PUNISHED?

well, this is by the way, have you also noticed that christians are the first to criticise pastors who do evil of any sort? it is because we know that it is unchristian - like. I say 'unchristian-like' because Jesus didnt give us any of such BAD examples. Just compare whatever a pastor does with what Jesus DID AND TAUGHT. If its different then you know its 'unchristian like'. No right thinking christian will support evil in any guise.

NB.
just read through the thread and see how muslims are sympathising with yunusa. The fact that they keep sympathising with yunusa is what makes people say all sort of things against islam. i cant understand why (some) muslims think what he did is right, arguing from every corner they can think of sheubaba2003, kumakunta et al. if i were a muslim i will vehemently condemn what yunusa did because i wouldnt even want people to say ill about my religion. but what do we see (some) muslims do? oh well , maybe thats why we are from a different religion! Also know that if you are not condemning whole heartedly, we also know- its simple. The words you use says it all.

Mr Man,am not in support of Muslims committing crime,never in my life will i..But it seems common sense has eroded most christians on this forum. They are so sharp in bringing Islam to whatever form of crime being carried out in the north.

When I stand in a religious argument,i don't stand for the actor of the crime but for his Religion..His religion should be separated from whatever crime commited.
So in a case where we find christians trying to point out Islam by bringing in silly examples,we the muslims are also bound to bring in similar occurrence from your faith to buttress our points.

It's better you talk to your brothers to stop relating any crime commited by a muslim or sumone with muslim name with Islam. By that we can all deal with our problems.
We won't allow you christians term any criminal christian as being fake or endtime while you take charge of crimes commited by Muslims.
Most of your people are mischief makers,we know them and we ready for them.

The Quran and Islam is never in support of abduction or forceful marriage,and I will never support yunusa or any other muslim that has committed such anti-islamic act.
Christianity and Islam aside,no right thinking man/woman should also commit crime.

So tell me,did you read anywhere that prophet Muhamed (Pbuh) abducted and forcefully convert a girl? The Muric where against the crime commited by Yunusa,they even came up with Quranic verses to show it.

erusen:
Jesus was 33 when he died the bible didn't record marys death age because she was irrelevant and her purpose has be fulfilled,now you made claims give yuor so called phedophllic activity in marys child bible?is people like you that makes me dislike Muslims,what this this man said is simple,if a criminal is caught in the south he is punish by the Nigerian law not by his religious law,why must the same be done in the north.did he condemn your religion?he simply said no religion is bigger than the constitution

Mary Irrelevant Mr Erusen,i give up on you.

Your dislike or otherwise of Muslims doesn't add or take away anything from them.

Abukc:
TO All of una that comment or reply ignorantly,how many of una never dey Bleep since 12years,or wey his or her sisters never dey Bleep under their parent roof @ under 12yrs

You dey mind them? Most of the ladies here lost their virginity before 16 and also most of the guys here might have had sex with an underage at one point.

erusen:
biblical proof?

I just answered you. Even your pastors knows this,dont know why you feigning ignorance.

erusen:
show me marrys age in the Bible or shut the Bleep up,u clowns are trying to say that phedophila is also part of Christianity.was marrys cousin not Elizabeth who was an old woman

See this man. Pls how old was marry when she died? How old was Jesus when he died and how many years did marry lived after jesus death? Answers to this questions should give you a good knowledge of her age before childbirth. God bless you

nijabazaar:
we are arguing, did u not see d question marks...I would need justification,

To your question. NO it doesn't Justify..
What am also trying to tell you is that the prophet's (PBUH) marriage to a 12yr old isn't any form of paedophilia,that was a normal age for marriage in the middle east @ that period.

Urine:
Really?

Yeah man..she was between 12 - 14

Let it keep rallying.

nijabazaar:
if she was 12 or 16 or 6 does that justify in this 2016 someone putting his fat extremely long wooden prick through a barely developed vulva?

Never knew ancient 'Vulvas' were larger than what we have now..Ose Gynecologist

nijabazaar:
was Mary twelve or even 15?

does d modern church ( of all denominations) still allow marriage below 18?

mind u I am never defending xtianity, it has committed a whole Lotta evils but it s very good at amending and flowing with the times.

Good..there are conditions for marriage in Islam,which must all be adhered to before marriage.

There must be consent from the girls parent
There must be agreement from the girl herself

Achorise:
Religion has a culture, every religion has its own attributes and characteristics, e.g some religion encourages pedophiles, others, encourages gay, but in Nigeria this is a criminal act.When a religion encourages you to kill infidels and backsliders, please are this not criminal acts?.Most customs and practices are reflection of it's religion, which may be criminal depending on the country morality or constitution.

In other words, Baby Factory,child prostitution,Child rape, Huma Ritual,Incest, Kidnapping and militancy coming from the south also finds expression in their religion. You very brilliant.

sexyexcalibur:
u must b stupid , trying to justify child marriage ... gosh...

Are you a virgin? Are you married?

Agubushmenyo:
People will jump Into this thread and post all sorts of silly things now!! But before then, let me point out instances and leave the rest for Observations!

1) Ebonyi pastor Rapes 13yrs old girl
2) Rev King burns church member
3) Lagos pastor defiles 14yrs old girl
4) Pastor sleeps with 3 girls from the same family


Now before you Include Buhari and Castigate APC and Insult muslims, let me quote Jesus Christ from another dimension....

"The Religion that is perfect, let them be the first to cast a stone"

In every religion, we have Idiots!!

But avoid the Fallacy of generalization

God Bless the President!!

Even mary wasn't upto 16 when she gave birth to Jesus.

neolboy:
God help our society from Islam

God help our babies from pastors (Christian Leaders).

idee91:
And she is doing fine in life..... Oooops, i almost 4got she's even ur 1st lady

She's just being silly.. I bet you she's not even a virgin and with higher probability of been disvirgined before the age of 16.

nijabazaar:
I think that it is now imperative for the Islamic council to meet together and change the now archaic doctrines of the Koran.....remember their was a time when d catholic church burn witches and heretics, such was custom then way back in d dark ages...but over d years the churches dogma was amended to adapt to the modern age......Islam needs to modify it self for this century.....least it dies off.


because the prophet (may peace be unto him) married a 12 year old ( this was really paedophilia) does not mean that desert practice should be prevalent at this age.

Did I hear you say Islam 'dies off'? Whatever it is you drinking you better stop it. How old was Mary when she was betrothed to Joseph and how old was she when she gave birth to Jesus?

NB; the Quran is not an ordinary text,it cants be amended.

Noooo,let them keep displaying their arrogance,sillyness and double standard.

Dangote Eleniyan

Weah96:
You tell me.

No wonder.

Weah96:
Muslims have what we call institutionalized r.ape. Even the prophet was known to have married a minor. Minors do not have the capacity to make life changing decisions, as we all know.

The actions of the parent make it institutionalized. They agree to the r.ape.

How old was Mary when she gave birth to christ?

We have so many child rape cases carried out by pastors, but no one is coming out with any #tag. But a northerner commits any form of crime and Islam is quickly called out. You Hypocrisy won't let you make Heaven.

We the true Muslims know the truth and we stand by the truth,thats why we stand firm and never intimidated by what you hypocrites think.

All I see is Hypocrisy coming from our people from the other side. Now the actor is fake and doesn't represent his religion.

You people will forever sound and look silly on this forum and beyond due to your double standard.

I smell hypocrisy from our people from the other side. Now it's not about their religion,but the actor being fake.

You guys will forever sound foolish on this forum and beyond due to your double standard.

Frankiss44:
Nah Nah Nah.. That part of the Qur'an is reserved for the poor Muslims. The daughters of the rich get married to the love of their lives in a western romantic style

Pls what part of the Qur'an are you talking about?

bringbackourGEJ:
Who is she?

Queen Elizabeth the 1

They just want to taste death then.