lol u did not answer my question nd i guess the other coups against shagari,ibb,buhari were carried out by christians to return christians to power just like they did against shonekan,dont mix religion with politics,especially 9ja own

My bad i thought Dimka was a muslim,but there must be a muslim among them nd for every other thing u wrote maybe u did not notice me saying religion had nothing to do with people celebrating,u people should stop mixing religion nd politics nd i want u BETATHINGS to answer dis question,when Yardua died, those who celebrated was it was because he was a muslim or notherner

Muslims una own tire me, i was young when Abacha died,but with wat hv heared from Elders,people were happy dat a dictator had died,thats why they group him under Idi Amin nd not religion,as for Yar'dua if anybody celebrated,it was because they felt justice had finally be done to them,cause Peter Odili was not allowed to become d presido,it was not because of religion nd if i may ask why did people not celebrate when Murtala was killed by another Muslim or hv u people not hw he is being eulogized

Una over funny,i fit still vote(supplimentary election

Una over funny,i fit still vote(supplimentary election)

Mr_Anony:
I have answered your question. Have you read the passage yet?

My brother I am not the Holy Spirit. I don't want you to learn from me when you can learn from our Father directly. Please read the passage first, I think it is quite self-explanatory when you read it.

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Hv read dat passage a number of times nd wat if i say i get my pre tribulation rapture,now if u diagree nd i want to knw why,i dont think it means u constituting d Holy Spirit nd pls hv not seen ur answer,u might pls want to state it again.

@ Anony Ok lets say i see this as an opportunity for us all to learn cant u just answer my question

[quote author=Mr_Anony]
Ok, first of all, forget about "superiors in church" and read the bible for yourself. Christ is our only superior everyone else is just another Christian working out his/her salvation in fear and trembling that's why I always want us to find out what the bible says about it.
Personally I don't see anywhere in the bible that tells me that the rapture will happen before tribulation, if you find such a verse let me know and I'll be happy to break bread with you.

You can read Matthew chapter 24 where Jesus talks about the last days and check out in which order the rapture and tribulation follow.
About the antichrist, The bible talks about the Antichrist(a particular person) and many antichrists(false teachers) in 1John 2:18-22. The job of the Antichrist is to deceive many and if possible, draw the saints away from God.

In Revelations 13, we see the beast -actually two beasts operating at the same time- one is the beast that seeks to put himself in the place of God, and the other is the false prophet that does fake miracles and worships the first beast who we traditionally know to be the Antichrist. The false prophet causes all to receive the mark of the beast (666) by force or else they won't be able to buy and sell. I am sure you are conversant with this story.

Now there is a part of this story which is often overlooked and that is verse 7 of Revelations 13 and it says

"..........It was granted to him(the beast) to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation." Revelations 13:7.

Notice that the beast here is making war against the saints. This would not be possible if they are already raptured at this time.

Now finally, why I am sure the Antichrist will show up before the rapture is in 2 Thessalonians 2. I would suggest you read the whole chapter but I'll just quote an excerpt here:

"Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God." Thess 2:3-4

So my brother, this is why I believe that the Antichrist will definitely come before Christ comes again. But do not let your heart be troubled, Christ has overcome the world and he will keep us and the evil one will never be able to snatch us away.

I'll share with you a verse I read this morning and I'll highlight the part that ministered most to me.


Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy,
To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever.
Amen.
-Jude 1:24-25
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Amen.U knw d portion of d bible that says d mystery doth abound but he who stops it shall continue untill he is taken out of d way,pls explain.

Logicboy03:

That is possible. Unfortunately, you christians cant leave us alone!

Your theory of rapture means that atheists/unbelievers will suffer. Cant you guyz change your doctrine and leave us out of your fairytales?

And since u dont believe it cant overlook nd d life of an atheist will always be affected by the christian faith,just as yall stance affect us

as in

Dammn,he never learns

Must all you atheist comment on every discussion, the topic clearly shows that this is for christians, cant we have a discussion alone just because we are in the same section, its high time u guys learn to overlook some discussions.

I really want to discuss this rapture issue, nd who or what does the bible refer to as the one who is stoping the secret power untill he is taken out of the way nd Martian since u were not alive then u can hit ur head against a wall,must u comment on every topic.

Ok Anony, hv always believed that the rapture will take place before d tribulation,but of recent a superior in church for that matter said he looked into the arguments of those who said before nd those for after nd he became confuse nd decided that whatever, he will spend enternity with Christ, so i want to knw d argument for those saying before

I was not expecting u to reply me with a question, okay lets assume i knw nothing, will the rapture happen before or after the coming of the antichrist as u understand it nd pls provide some scripture, tnx.

Sweetnecta let me see d number of christians dat will continue to debate with u, infact they will the most patient nd for me, i'v planned to engage u many time but hv discovered u to reason blindly nd foolishly nd claim u are right nd that has detered, i'll prefer to debate Calloti with all her blaspheme than most muslim cause there are few who are not like u nd to Anony is d rapture taken place before d coming of the antichrist or after.

Am frm Imo but hv in delta all my life, but for close to a year hv been opportned to visit thre south east states alot, Imo,Anambra nd Enugu.As for Imo, Okorocha is still young dat leaves Peter Obi nd Chime,sincerely i think its Chime, whatever road Obi is constructing, i cant see it in Awka, nd d road leading to Enugu is he claming dat its a fedral road

i hv tried talking to many so called christians dat luv screaming pastor nd private jet, my question to them is hw much help hv they remdered to those among them, when last did they visit an orphange, when last they saw people begging for alms, hw much did they give, instead they will be busy deciding if they are fake or real nd also between buying a private jet nd lying which can we confidently say is a sin, because d stand of bible is dat even if u lie nd it does not affect anybody negatively, u hv no right to condem a murderer.

Hv seen their suv, its cool

Just a question, according to Jesus whom we all claim to follow, when we do good are others suppose to know about it.

you too, although i doubt there will be peace in dat region.

all of us should be praying for peace in dat region,if wat u stated above was true then dats bad of israel nd d islamic world should stop shouting d extinction of israel, it will only make d isrealis to be hardened.

Eggheader at first i wanted to tell u not to bring those western media story but i decided not to nd u knw d ANC issue is not like Al quade nd i repet d follower of islam hv not done it much good,e.g d islamic section where people threaten u, d most absurd one dat happen of recent was d hurricane sandy issue, even sweetnecta came here ranting about it, d earthquake in islam countries nd let me tell u dis story hope u will see my point, back den in my primary skul dis muslim kid will always boast hw d U.S will never catch Osama, d most absurd part was him saying in last war he will kill us with d sword nd skin us, were d hell did he learn dat frm, nd i was only showing through david post dat hamas started dis present conflict.

Eggheader dont expect d white to help arab nations apart frm israel cause most of dem are muslim countries nd d follower of islam have not done much good to it,it has gained a bad reputation nd question is more of davidly post countering dat of tbaba whos was trying to show dat israel started dis present conflict with gaza just trying reading d two its on d fourth page nd moreover when someone makes u angry two replys are more dan enough to calm u,wat d both of u are doing up there does not only look foolish on him but also on u.

you knw dis is more complicated than dat,nobody likes to be thrown out of their homeland, dis is d crux of d matter nd d israelies did not just go out nd start dis land grabing dey were more or less spoils of war nd they were not d first to attack.also d davidlyn first post against tbaba wat do u hv to say to dat.

ok sorry for insulting u i got angry,d first question where were dey living before d holocaust u said dey were wanderers now i asked wat of during d persian nd other empires u said u dont care now if i get u, u are trying to say d land does not belong to d isrealies because d land during d pre-exodus time it did not belong to dem, now my question how was land accquired then, even some of our tribes how did dey accquire their present ancestral land.

u dont care to knw nd u come here nd spew rubbish are d isrealies claiming a land that never lived on, nd u even had d guts to call dem wanderers frm history, what stupid history, hv u seen wandering fulanis with block house not talk of d temple dat was built by d isrealies olodistine if u knw nothing of history dont come here nd spew rubbuish nd u did not answer d davidlyn question, Egghead.

ok let me put it like dis from d study of history including d persian nd roman,assyria were were israelite living.

i cant help u with dat dis is not my first time of posting on nairaland, if u dont get d drift well

sonner dan u can ever imagin. #champange tins#

Eggheader u did not ans d question of were d israelis were living before d holocaust were dey living in their present site nd wat do u have to say about davidly first post was he lying.

Muslims i hope yall saw my earlier post nee explanation