NigerMan1:


God forbid that as Edo/Benin we regard Lagos as our own. Once again, God forbid.

But please note these facts:

1) The ancient Lagos is the present day Island, where the present Oba of Lagos dwell. The Aworis later occupied a great part of present day mainland, which were not inhabitable in the olden days.

2) The inhabitants of the Lagos Island were (and still not) Awori.

3) Is on record and well documented that the Oba of Lagos was established by the old Benin Oba. There is no dispute about this fact, and am happy you also agree.

4) The families of the Lagos monarchy ( I mean Isale Eko) still retain and recognize their Benin ancestry up till today.

5) The word 'EKO' was and still a Benin name.

6) The descendants of some chiefs of Benin Kingdom who started the reign in Lagos are today prominent families. A good example is the Obanikoro family

NigerMan1:


My Uncles? Oh sorry you're a typical Yoruba fellow. You were raised as extremely rude, socially indecent and lousy.

Hey I repeat the story of your Oduduwa and Oranyan were complete Yoruba fables and mythologies. They only existed in the Yoruba folktales and human rituals!

Please note this salient fact of recorded history: The Great Benin Empire was stronger, bigger and last longer than Oyo Empire.

You Yorubas can hardly point to great or solid achievement during European foray into our land, when histories were recorded. 97% of your 'history' are deliberate concoction of fabled mythologies attached to the 'dark eras'.

While your fake 'Oranyan' was great when there was no proof; however the old Benin Empire established the Lagos monarchy. And the name EKO (an Edo/Benin name) was given to Lagos.

Your Oranyan was so powerful yet you Yorubas could not invoke his dead spirit to help you overcome the Fulanis as they enslaved and captured Yorubas in Ilorin?

You could not reenact the so called power of your forebear to defeat the Fulanis as they mercilessly overran your terrified people, slaughtered Yorubas like rams and established Emirate.

What happened?

Again I ask you; what happen to the 'bravery DNA' of your forebear in you - their descendants? Why are you Yorubas not known as brave folks in the modern eras?

Or maybe the 'bravery genes' expired with the death of your fabled 'Oranyan'?

bigfrancis21:


Lmao. Egusi and Garri are not Yoruba words. Egusi in Igbo is Egwusi. Rather, I think it is the other way round. I think you are not educated well-enough to know that Igbo people are an ancient people and the Nri civilization started at about 10AD and Ife 200 years later at 12AD. Igbo civilization is older than Yoruba civilization.

Justfollowit:


You can lie

scribespad:


Cheers!

sonzo666:

Really?So why are Indians and lebaneses behaving in Nigeria as if they own the land?Why are Nigerians being beaten up to death in india yet your politicians and celebrities go die in india hospitals?Is that your definition of superiority complex?

kabiyesiii:
In the Yoruba Language:
Oyinbo = oyin (bee | honey | melanin) + bo (bleach | peel off). Oyinbo means lack of melanin.

The color of native honey is as dark as Melanin.

In Yoruba Ibadan dialect, Oyinbo is shortened to eebo

macof:


I totally forgot about Oke Oyinbo.
But I thought you are awori? are Ilaro, Oke Oyinbo not Egbado Towns?

Ericardo7:


really... so you mean people do that too here?

bigfrancis21:




Colonel bigfrancis! I will shoot every moving thing in sight! Baddo

bigfrancis21:


LOL! Absolutely false theory. Trying to explain away 'ibo' using yoruba, while forgetting that the correct pronunciation has always been 'Igbo' only spelt 'ibo' because the white people could not pronounce 'gb' correctly.

macof:


I take it you've never heard Afin omo Orisa Igbo wuji . Orisa igbo wuji is Obatala

macof:

ok fair enoug but these aren't town names by what I read there.. Oyibo camp and an organization named oyibo m p c s l aren't Towns
Have you actually heard "Oyibo" spoken by an Edo?

Google ehn? Is that where u get all ur education from?

bigfrancis21 : The Bini King's (custodians of culture
and tradition) folk lore story mentions
being the progenitor of yoruba people.
Thus 'Oba' might be of Bini origin. Their
story version seems more plausible to
me given the evidence such as edo-like names in Lagos such as 'Idumota'. I would rather more readiliy accept their
story than any other. FYI: I don't hate Yorubas. My 2 close
friends here in the US are Yorubas.

macof:


Guy you totally misunderstood the idea behind Orisa.
you use it in such an unclear way like it's one figure/person in reference to Afin. It's Obatala (Orisa nla) that is specific to Afin not jst Orisa
And I doubt that ibo are the orisa of old

bigfrancis21:


@bold...how do you know this? Without academic proof? Oh I remember, you've been living since 16th century.

bigfrancis21:


@bold...on the contrary, early usage does matter. Because it indicates the originality of something. Now, 'oyibo' might be Igbo and 'oyinbo' THE yoruba pronunciation however the bone of contention lies in the originality of which, of which to establish the originality of something, as it always is in the world of academia, academic evidence of its early usage has to be furnished. Open up any Oxford or Cambridge dictionary and look up words, linguists try to trace the origin of a word going by the very first mention of the world in the particular period of time. So far I have done that for Igbo, you have utterly failed to do that for Yoruba.

Now, let us assume 'oyibo' is Igbo (which is recorded in wikipedia) and 'oyinbo' is Yoruba and both are correct. The existence of 'oyibo' in Igboland as at 17th century has been established. Any academic author will quickly establish that as fact. Now how can you prove the Yoruba had been using 'oyinbo' before 17th century? How is it not possible that the word spread to SW, through the Edo peoples? Almost every tribe in Nigeria except the SW calls it 'oyibo' which makes us to believe that they are pronouncing the word in its original form and 'oyinbo' being the corrupted form? Ok, please furnish evidence for the earliest usage of 'oyinbo' in Yoruba land.

Going by semitunde's ill-formed 'logic' that borrowed words 'become shorter', now let us take a look at these similar words and establish the parent origins:

Igbo: okwute (6 letters) Yoruba: okuta (5 letters)
Igbo: mmiri (5 letters) Yoruba: omi (3 letters)
Igbo: gbajie (6 letters) Yoruba: baje (4 letters)
Igbo: Ogwu (more complicated sounding) Yoruba: Ogun (less complicated pronunciation). We all know language subsets often have less complex wordings than the original. French, Spanish, Italian (subset languages) words compared to Latin (parent languge) words is a classic example.
Igbo: Egwugwu masquerde, Yoruba: egungun masquerade (notice another simplification of the Yoruba pronunciation).

Going by semitunde's logic, Yoruba derived from the Igbo. The linguistic evience is too easy to see.

Carbon dating evidence of the Igbo Ukwu bronze metals proves their construction to about 10th century AD. Meaning the Igbo were already in existence on or before that time. According to Professor E.E. Okafor, the Dean of Archaeology at the University of Nigeria, new dating of samples of slag and bloom from ancient industrial furnaces in Lejja, Nsukka in Igbo land sent to UK for dating by the Archaeology Department at the University of Nigeria, Nsukka, recently returned with a shocking date of 4,000 B.C! However, Yorubas claim Ife civilization began at only 600BC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ife

Serious research is yet to be carried out on the ancient Igbo pyramids which might uncover a shocking early dynasty period of the Igbo people.

Maternal DNA evidence shows a common L1B maternal DNA ancestry between Igbo, and Egyptians.
.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1872497311001268#sec0085

This evidence might prove the similarity in the Igbo pyramids and Step pyramids of Egypt (both cultures might have shared the similar ancestral mothers and women are the transmitters of culture), and another heavy evidence confirming the much earlier existence of the Igbo in their geographical area.

There is much more evidence I can furnish but can't due to time constraints.

What is the point of all these? Evidence of a very ancient history of the Igbo people.

Yoruba authors want to believe everybody and everything came from them, and also claiming the Binis too, even when the Bini monarchs have utterly rejected the false fairy tale and they've researched and published that the reverse - the Binis gave birth to the Yorubas, and their ancient territory extended to farwaway Lagos. Place names in lagos with bini-like names such as Idu mota prove this point. http://www.edo-nation.net/origin.htm

Radoillo:


I also wondered why it didn't occur to anyone that the bolded might have been the case.

Oh, well, i'll be silently observing this thread like I did the other one.

bigfrancis21:


@bold...You've clearly edited your post to remove that part of your comment.

Radoillo:


I look forward to hearing/seeing the evidence on which this postulation is based.

kaorama:
Oyinbo was rather a derogatory remark made by the early white slave merchants to refer to an Ibo slave. It was transliterated Onye Ibo which means Ibo man. The early Whit slave merchant could not hide their preference for Igbo slaves whom they saw as hardworking. To register that preference, the whites usually asked for Onye Ibo which they themselves mid pronounced as Oyinbo. I have researched widely on this and can prove the word has its root in the Igbo history.

Radoillo:
Was your Ladionline account banned, too? It could be spambot, you know?