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^^Yarba or Yoruba. Meta, the Sango ephod may have been modified to bante over time, as this folksong shows: "Oni bante owo jingbinni, Oba koso". mum shared that with me, but I came across exactly the same song with Obaluaye, instead of Oba koso. Mum said the song belongs to Sango adherents, but the other source, Obaluaye pertains with Ota masquerade call Oya.

zeemoore: Awwwwwwww
Sorry abt ur Dad

How for do? a ti wa seesi? He has given me the greatest gift of all: the gift of life. Rest in peace, great dad, omo Eleba Ori, omo Ori Onoja Osan.

macof: Pagan 9ja has his ideology and reasons for his comments in this thread.
Paganism isn't all to do with this topic, The Irish man could be a pagan devoted to Esus or any Deity it doesn't Change the fact that 50+ Irish man marrying a Young Edo in her 20s is totally rubbish. I find it hard to believe it's love but abeg even love knows wat is right and wat is wrong

To the bold- Wat does that mean? Who is he indebted to?

You make good point. But you should remember the people involve are two adults, male and female. Their relationship is private to them as long as its not the first of its kind or illegal. I remember Hafsat Abiola, Akuiyili's and so on. At the bolded, I learnt from pagan9ja that he believe we evolve few days ago. The notion came from Charles Darwin and Herbart Spencer not last year, this guys are whites. When you share the same faith with someone, do you have to pick on just anything cultural from them with eternal suspicion again? Unhealthy suspicion is hate.

Babe I am Yoruba, my dad is Awori. But my mum is Egun. Lost dad at 2 and its mum's world all along. Dad's siblings around though. Miss you, happy nu year.

Pagan9ja, shilth sword. Can you change the world? And the wrong that was and that is to come? Is paganism a 'hand in glove' with racism? I am not supporting kolo, but what is the future of religion that is easy to offend and is discriminative? You once told me we evolve, that's the tenet of your paganism. Your tenet is not original to you or to Africa, it is Oyinbo belief. Why hate people you are indebted to?

Pagan9ja, shilth sword. Can you change the world? And the wrong that was and that is to come? Is paganism a 'hand in glove' with racism? I am not supporting kolo, but what is the future of religion that is easy to offend and is discriminative? You once told me we evolve, thats the tenet of your paganism. Your tenet is not original to you or to Africa, it

[quote author=[/b]Secondly, the name “Cain” (or Qayn) is a transliteration of “Akin” which means “brave/valient one” and is common to the people of Ondo who are agrarian. Also according to the bible, Cain moved to the land of Nod on the east of Eden after the murder incident. He also married a woman from the First People as his wife. It turns out that Ondo is situated east of Edena which is in Ilé-Ifẹ̀ and the name “Nod” is a re-lexification of “Ondo” which is the cult centre for the veneration of Ògún who is known for his bravery: (O)nd(o) > N(o)d). A name by which Ògún was known in one of his incarnations is Tobe Ode. “Ode” means hunter and the name “Tobe” is seen in the re-lexified name “Tubal-Cain” borne allegedly by one of the descendants of Akin. “Tubal-Cain” is probably re-lexified from “Tobe Ògún” because in this case the “-Cain” part must have been derived from “Ògún” and this person is described as the “instructor of every craftsman in bronze and iron”, a role which can only be borne by Ògún: (O)gun > Cain.[/quote]My real surname is Ogundipe, I only choose Akinleye because its my dad's name and its free. Tell me, Am I a descendant of Cain? Some ethical questions from your post.

Pal, growing up was such a fun that really wanted to go all the way back once again. I really miss my childhood. Maybe I was the great pawn in classroom, and suddenly, nairaland is fast becoming like my classroom again, with all the antics of old coming back to live. I hope that you feel this way too?

@amor4ce, I don't know what to say but I give you my vote just as others. Its as good as saying we have to know a lot to understand the simplest of Yoruba details. With that, it is no longer the Yoruba we use to know, but the Yoruba that belong to hundreds of worlds set apart by borders, space and time. Yet I will give you a title:

Chief Amor4ce Yemiton, "Ajagbalura" of Yorubaland.

Ajagbalura is someone with capacity to burrow through time and make epochs connect.

That's what you have done. However, I wish you try push to press. It might not be as terrifying as you think, I have been there before. Test your hypothesis and see.

Although the feedback here will do, but to publish, endure to give your work more Yoruba bearing, forget the need to touch down at every Kemet/Greco-Roman lexico-port, except it forms a pillar of what you do.

Then stop beefing the neighbors, its not Yoruba WORLD, it's a whole wide world, "IGI KAN KII DAGBO SE" It is Gods world, it belongs to all life.

Goodluck.

As to sensitizing our people, we have to. We are embackment people upholding the standards, both sides are longing to overwhelm the boundary owing to internal forces, ego and so on, but like it or not, mix heritage people tend to conscience than ego, and not few ancient potentates secure their territory in such manner. We have just to be a touch bearer unto the real truth if we can find it.

@Kolo Oyinbo, don't mind pagan9ja, he's trying to be 'territorial', and there should be room for soul searching and pockets of 'soul scotching' here and there. Anyway life is not suppose to be so fair and exotic 1oo/cent. Diversity and mix exist side by side with 'pure' if that truly exist, since "creavolution" Keep your queen, THAT'S MY VERDICT.

Black is beautiful, white is cute, and malato is 'cutebeauty'. Meet Sade Adu. Don't let recrimination crank your delight in your queen, ok? Those folks have theirs, so keep yours and make her happy. Age, race is not a thang! Humanity (love) come first before every other parochial affiliations. What do you call man being inhuman to man? That's why I equate humanity with love.

Still on the eponimous name, the sharing is much between. But what stun me often is when the villagers call Lagos, Ahonri and fine girl, Awiri. Its like they were just twisting things. So I kept asking them questions as a kid on holiday does. At a point someone scream 'pon ovie, aho teeh ni jeh, oho dho jhan ayor kansey'. that is, 'you are heck asking for the root of words!' ...t.b.cont'd

alj harem: Nice one. You are absolutely correct. I am half awori isale eko (father) and half ogu badagry( mother) myself. Since the influx of people, most of our isale eko cousins (myself included) have lost our dialect completely. Do you believe I am the one trying to sensitise our people

You know that being such a hybrid can be very special? You get to see things quite differently! I love my mix heritage so much, it help me to love different people. Moreso the affection given me by my 'yinneh weh' (mother's homestead) buoy my confidence in life.

alj harem: ah can't remember now. so you are from Ogun state. Nice knowing bro

I think it's good when you know someone is from your group. LOL

I am an Awori man ooo. I rep Ado-Odo/Ota LGA, Ogun state. Nice meeting you.

step1: God bless you.

I guess its the awori in Ogun state that still greet with Kiti gbe.

Lagos and Benin republic (sekiri ) don't again, I think !

Yes ooo bi ng o lowo mo lohun, ng o tor ni yera feebi seh, ajijor se tiwa, ah ko meh le ye o! Wait please enlighten me, were the sekiri of Awori league? I wont be surprise though the last time, I saw Iga Isoko at Ado, next to my Iga. I was just wandering. Isoko, Irobo: Moputa o!

alj harem: Thanks I am flattered. I also use the moniker step1 so you can follow Awori and Egun topics from me.

I know you are awori, you should join https://www.facebook.com/pages/Awori-People-of-Lagos/158562674212878

I will join that of your friends

eeeehhhh! Oloun o se o. ThANks so much bros. I will pass my friends no across to you. His name is Bolatito. Then I will join the facebook community of yours.

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alj harem: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Memories.

werangato !

Yes ooo you try, its not easy getting the alada (gbe) twist stuck. But it is actually pronounced 'when ren gan tor' (do do mi mi). It means 'struggling for the survivours' sake (father)', word for word. It mirrors 'eleduwa,' one who struggles to sustain existence. As such, the line that follows says 'a whenren mi je whe deh' (you sustain us till a year this).

Great! This reminds me of my childhood. Each time the moon shine so brigh, it is time to play 'bread and butter pass ...' Ere Osupa. The one that I have found resourceful is 'oni dende'; Oni dende o, saworo dede Osun, meaning 'one who returns caused the seer to become severe, the accurate Osun'. Dende is actually deinde, someone that came back (from exhile). Hence she enraged the seer. But trust Osun, she was never scared by the seer, hence it is said 'Osun ki' Osun was aki[nkanju]-brave Obinrin-woman. 'KI' is to stand your ground with boldness. Men, I love Osun parole, she was an ordinary lady, but she was so intelligent.

MetaPhysical: Wassup pardner!

alter egoooooooooooooooo

Ah metaphysical, in respect to the three miracles, I do not have any thing special ooo. But I always look to you at this miraculous junction, I can't attempt demystifying the scripture ooo, lest I miss it altogether.

But I know some of us have the grace to see with the third eye and breakthrough. Albeit, I am content with the givings that is in the scripture. Yet, I will enjoy your miraculous espose. I know you are close to the three wise men, the Sufi or as to Dee Apostle

My time is far spent, will be back shortly.

Please where is my tpia for God sake?

Please come back baby.

I'm missing you

MetaPhysical: Exactly! How does one go from Ibadariki to Badagry? It has been 100yrs and future generations may never know Ibadariki is the original. If we can correct for these errors im sure we will discover that most of these place names in Yorubaland are a match with similar correspondences in AfroAsia. Names like Ado, Eredu, Edomite, Ijebusite, Amalekite, Sumeria, Nineveh and so on.

I heard Badagry was Agbadaigi. Ladi can clarify, he is more familiar with the history of that area.

Yes the Egun are my mum's people. My mum is Egun, but she was raised as Yoruba on the Island. I was partly raised in the Egun village at (Idolehin), Ado from age 2 to age 7, before I was transferred to Sango Otta for schooling, then I visited home regularly and I'm close to the culture right from childhood.

Yes ooo, Ladi is Egun boy ooo. Guvi-special

I was actually born at my father's house in Isale Ado loun. as those Awori folks use to call it.

But with my mums people, Badagry is called Gbagri or Gbagli? They were Tori, so they do not miss 'r' for 'l', but i am familiar with some that write gbagri as gbagli. Do you know that gbagri sounds like "Gbagi?" More than that there was once a broadcast from the palace of the Agbara monarch that I once heard and, the leader said that Agbara means "a gba ra", meaning we took it outright. from the era of Dahomey war.

Then when you split the word Gbagri, you have something similar: Gba-gri, Gba-giri, taken by force or "taken with surprise". Compare with Gbagi. Badagry is the English rendition of the word on ground with the colonial force.

You know the English have bad and Aggrey, or bad and agree, so its easy to see how their intonation will go. And then that will make it to their gazettes and influence how those old elite (who were distance from the place in question) when they will be pronouncing the word (that has always been with the locals) in academic circle.

MetaPhysical: Ladi,

Share what you know about these three miracles.

1. The serpent - as in Eden and Moses' staff.
What is a Yoruba reference, if any?

2. The fish - as in parting of Red Sea.
What reference can you share?

3. The rat - as in the journey through the wilderness.
What do you know?

Im beginning to think, and quite convincingly, that these miracles were actually rituals and offerings prescribed by divination. In other words, in a time of tribulation a divination was cast to obtain guidance on what to do to avert the malevolent energy. These three animals were the offerings that Orunmila prescribed for that situation. The three of them appear in various odus in Ifa.

The serpent is a symbol of the earth, of fertility, of renewal, of life. In times of distress and opression one craves relief and change. Offering the serpent will ease the way for a new beginning, a new journey, a deliverance from a burden and start of new cycle of life.

The mystery of the serpent in Pharaoh's palace would indicate that Moses' miracle with the rod was in fact a offering.

Fish is a very interesting one, it lives in water. Fish symbolizes a breakthrough, an awakening, a phenomenon. Water symbolizes subconscious and depth of knowledge and the sustainer for life whether in form of amniotic fluid or a flowing river or stream. It is the abode of fish.

When one is faced with a daunting situation and in moment of monumental and overpowering force an offering of fish would help to guide a rescue. An inspirational breakthrough will provide a guided way forward just as the fish glides forward and easily through the voluminous deep sea.

This offering is what is suggested in the parting of the Red Sea for the Israelites to cross safely and away from the pursuing danger.

The rat is a survivor, it lives and adapts to all conditions. Symbolically the rat is a pathfinder through a wilderness. It represents endurance and foresight. When lost and we need our way to the right path, the pathfinder is the proper offering to ward off confusion and negative energy fighting to keep us distracted and diverted from our destination.

After the crossing of Red Sea the Israelites camped and spent time in Mount Sinai when Moses took time to approach and communicate with God. After he was gone the Israelites cast a cow image out of molten metals and started worshipping it - the earth cult. Moses came down with the ten commandments and established a new law for them. Thereafter they left heading Eastward and spent time through the wilderness camping and awaiting guidance for settlement. Aaron became the priest in charge of divinations and the keeping of shrine and altar. Part of the sacrifices and offering made to the altar was rat, some other time dove.

This offering of rat is to provide foresight and endurance through the many difficulties of the hardship in that stage of their being; it will find for them a path through the maze of obstacles and get them finally to their destination.

These parallels of the Biblical miracles and the various Ifa verses in which they are cryptically described in the animal symbolisms and offerings is an eye opener for me.

I also believe the ephod that the Rabbis wear is a divination plate.

Download the pdf on this link below, you go to this page and scroll to where they illustrate a Shango Shrine in Ibadan. I want you to zoom in on the instruments of office in the interior and you see two or three ephod pouches sitting in there. This is what L. Frobenius witnessed and documented in 1920s although he did not call it an ephod. The Jewish ephod consists of two parts, a "urim" and a "thumim" sitting in a pouch. The pouch is the beautiful decorated fabric we see, we dont see the contents inside. Arab divination tool is also called "ruml". Yoruba divines to "orunmila". This I believe nails the quest on whether or not Ifa is older than Judaism. If urim and thumim predated Judaism, then Ifa should correctly be called the OLDEST OF THE ABRAHAMAIC FAITHS.

http://www.frobenius-institut.de/images/stories/Ausstellungen/Nigeria/yorubaland.pdf

I always know you have good information strapped somewhere meta, thank God for this homecoming, I really am delighted that you come home, though I don't know how long you will stay with us on the Hebrew homeland. But what you have shared is remarkably perfect for situation, brother.

That was what Aron was wearing in MY BOOK OF BIBLE STORY by JEHOVAH WITNESS back as a kid. I remember drawing all these picture or watch other skillful kids do the same when I was 10 in primary school, i think i can relate easily with the picture!

I know those people did good research and even modern bible with back page concordance often show this as ephod, well I use to think its bones and so on usually cast to find the path of scriptural "Odu" or something. But you have reveal a great secret.

Now check page 8 of the link you share where ori Olokun was position in exhibition, the cloth that is hanging there is of especial significance, that is the shawl I called Shaki at the Gele thread.

MetaPhysical:

Ka f'owo wa, ka f'aje wa
Ka so aje nu
Ka wa f'ogedegede owo w'oko lo Iseri.

Omo Olofin O k'are o, Aye a ye o!

Ase ooo. Mo seba agba o, e je ko jumi se o, ada se nii humo, iba o gbodo humo!

Nsala+Akpu, dheusin+kanna (you will sleep and wake up and still found dheusin cooking on the fire like stone meal). My best is grhenma. It's soooo sweeet.

Fulaman198: I just also wanted to say keep religious threads mainly to the religious forum. I personally am tired of insulting attacks on Islam, so I come to the culture section to not see such nonsense.

I will encourage you to grow a thick skin, my brother. There is a reason it is call nairaland. If I ever have a site like this, I will call it problemland. It's fine, everybody have one. Thanks for killing axum lest our own Ajuran come alive at the heat of the moment. People=problem.

Somalia king, I'm glad at your witty response. Africa have hope if @18 you have such a good grasp of experience and information at your disposal. A change will come sooner or later to sweep away the nightmares we have endure on the continent. Its not just pain that unite us, common racial affiliations, neighbourhood and black experience are sometimes stronger than blood. We all have common destiny and the black Africa experience is our collective, grand creed. We just have to keep the flag flying, war will not do it because war did not start it, but enligthenment is our hope and as you can see, we have hope. Your points above is proof of it.

I'm laughing at macof right now, your somalia passport is on process! take it as my ogunxmas present to you. btw, Somalia king and yusuf, pagan9ja and all contributors, this is a wonderful thread. We can get to know people from the neighbourhood more and make good friendship across culture divides. I have not seen god or spirit all my life, but people I see daily are gods and words and post I read daily are spirits. Having open mind is the threshold of the true religion, 'brotherhood of man'. This religion is live on this particular thread. Who knows that somethimg like this can come from Ajuran's homeland? Love is good hate is bad. thanx to you all for making this enligthenment possible in just one day.

OJODEL10: OGA EJO E MA PA WA. ORI MI! DO U KNOW WHAT? MY HEAD WANT TO BURST.

You aint seen anything yet eeti ri nkenken. My own abracadabra is a child's play compare to my two friends. Meanwhile on a serious note, abiri means a.bi.ri. meaning 'having to do with river'. (biri is the root for hebrew according to wiki, check it out). abiri is equal to Obiri. The Yoruba would say obiri laye. Ebora means 'Sacrifice vanish', an ifa precept (omo Odu) is termed ejilaesebora, that is the twelve that emanated from Ebora. The verse was about an ancient Yoruba couple set at discord by divided favouritism to their twins children. This shows that Ebora used to be human back in time. Then when someone dies, the Yoruba says 'o ti deni Ebora' (abraham bosom). Odu Obara meji says baba Abiriyamu lo bi Abiriyamu, baba Abiriyamu lo bi Abiriyamu...

Amor4ce, I'm laughing seriously now for breaking your suspense. But I must commend you for your great effort and undying spirit. My sumarian crypt is ABIRI and EBORA or Ebira for Abraham, the sumarian. In fact, if you look at Osumare, the circle of continuity, it rhyme with Olodu-mare, sustainer of continuity. Sumer is the closest civilization to this historic token, it is also similar to Osumare (rainbow) when pronounced.

To say the fact your response impress me, I like it when friends are very clear about themselves and what they believe. With this I have a clear picture of you, sort of. As such, I respect your choice to be different, as I am different. Wont like to derail this brother's thread, but sometime we would have more friendly encounter and conversation somewhere freer. Goodluck this year.