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[quote author=top_kin link=topic=340156.msg6159508#msg6159508 date=1275767587] Let's call a spade a spade, what is wrong is wrong, no sugar-coating it! It's embarrassing to him, his family, all who look up to him and all Catholics, which i am proudly one! But does it mean all Catholic Priests are like that? Certainly not! That will be a Fallacy of Hasty Generalization. Do we really judge him? Let's leave that for God!

I condemn vehemently what he has done cos these are men of God that we are supposed to look up to. . . . such stories really break my heart! God help us all! [/quote]My thoughts exactly. I'd have more respect for anti-catholics if they used more logic, but then again they won't be anti-catholic if they used logic.

Anyway, all this problem comes form people who are not supposed to be Priests becoming Priests. We have a really high unemployment rate in Nigeria and therefore people are looking for ways to make a buck. So these men are entering the Priesthood looking for a meal. It would be better if they could be honest with themselves and leave the Priesthood, which they can do. But they want the benefit of the Church, so really the Church has become the victim, and they are causing a great wound to the bride of Christ.

If the public face of Christianity, a notable reverend cant keep his fly closed, while pretending to be celebated, what do we expect from others, except free will intimacy of anything goes, as long as you believe in the "ghostly" crucifixion, etc?

If the public face of Islam are terrorists shouldn't we conclude that muslims are terrorists and that Islam is definitely not a religion from God?
Be careful not to sound like a fool, your logic can be used against you.

Lol. Maybe he just really hates hypocrisy?

And what hypocrisy is that?

A logical explanation would be nice.

the idea of paying unemployed graduates is not a new trend,and is been done in other countries. why the cynicism? those ones kicking against the idea on here am sure will be the first to go grab their stipend every month ;d. we are just too good in criticizing the government sha,oga oo!

What countries?

How about investing in gov't industries that would create jobs?

I don't believe in handouts in the U.S. and it shouldn't be in Nigeria either. The Welfare states are all failing.

Exactly my thoughts, Greece has failed the rest of Europe is going along, the U.S. is failing as well. Anything that has welfare attached to it is failing. How about we not be like them?

How about we truly do invest?

It's not like graduates are not willing to work. I will support a scheme that will provide funding for them to start their business, but to give them handouts I don't agree with. It's going to lead to a mentality that the government is responsible for our daily bread.

lol but one is good and the other isn't. Oh if only we can differentiate.

Which of these oils do we use in Nigeria?
Is it Palm Oil or Palm Kernel Oil?

Palm Oil is from the fruit of the Palm tree, and Palm Kernel Oil is from the Kernel.

Palm Oil is cholesterol free, and Palm Kernel Oil is not.

So which is it?

I'm very health conscious, but I like eating Naija foods, and like using our authentic ingredients. So help would be needed here.

By going thru this thread, I have realised one thing
No be only men wicked oh!
Some women are just satanists

Seriously o. I'm thinking the same thing.
I didn't know women did things like this. I just thought I was one of a kind, j/k.
I don't blame guys sometimes.

This is rubbish!!!

Ofcourse it will go belly up. Anything that relies on the government handouts (Socialism) and government controlling everything (Socialism) will definitely go belly up or the government will start dictating what a person can do with their life (communism).

I just hope Africans learn from Europe's mistakes. But ironically the U.S. is not learning from Europe's mistakes and is going in that direction starting with this damned health care overhaul.

Stop giving governments too much power.
They will screw up. heck we know about that in Nigeria.

Europeans are gloating this week. The continent might be struggling with ballooning debts, a faltering euro and national strikes, but when the U.S. House voted in favor of President Barack Obama's health care bill Sunday night, March 21, Europeans seized the moment to thumb their noses at Americans and remind them that they've had pretty good health care for decades.

I bet you they're not gloating now. They wish they never started down that road.

I was under the impression that the government tried to privatise energy, but the people of NEPA refused to let that happen.

I am all for solar energy. It gives energy independence. My house will be powered by solar power.

Also having small businesses reduces inflation. There will be competition and the consumers will rule the market. As long as prices are down the cost of living will be manageable and people can survive and in the end, that's what matters.

It's simple logic, but then again Nigerian politicians don't seem to have that, and they seriously think it's too complicated. It's not.

Oh btw what America has now is not capitalism, it is corporatism, and that's why they're in the mess they're in. So let's learn about these things before we start taking from their playbook. I saw a comment on capitalism earlier on so just wanted to touch on that.

My favourite is Distributism though, but people don't want to listen to that, it's just too good and calls for people to be good, and that's just a bad thing, lol.

Let there be free markets, reduction of taxes on corporations and individuals, and there won't be a need for social programs because people will be able to take care of themselves.

wealth is not to have money, but to take your gift or resources and put it to use, it generates money, yes but money can easily run out, but resources won't.

to grow wealth, doesn't necessarily mean that I have to beat you out of business. If we are both farmers, I can grow corn and you can grow beans and we'll both be wealthy, and it will be healthy.

we should promote small businesses that way there will be more employers. If there are employers, there will be employees, and more people will be put to work, instead of left to scramble for one job in one major corporation.

the worst thing Nigeria can do is give the government too much power. The government's job is to protect the citizenry, by protecting the borders and protecting the streets, and a few more things. but the government's job is not to give handouts.

now as to what the government can do, to create jobs, the government can create an environment that will allow businesses to grow.

But people keep in mind that we are Africans and we don't have to copy the west. Some of us live in the west, and sometimes forget that what works for the west doesn't necessarily work for us. Their economy, society is crumbling, let's learn from them and not make the same mistakes by taking the same route.

But businesses keeps us going.

As for the U.S., um the governement is the major employer and that's the problem right now. The governement shouldn't do that much. If America doesn't learn and what they're actually doing now with their policies is leading them towards Greece. They're taking too much from Europe and we can see that Europe is falling apart.

Because we actually know how to properly interpret the Bible rather than read it in english without the cultural understandings of that time.

Please do yourself a favour first of all find out what the Bible really is and what the purpose of each book is, then take a study of hebrew, greek, and aramaic. Study the times these books were written. Study the purpose of their writing, then come back and tell me if you will come to the same conclusion.

Father Of Priest, Scientists, Military Men, People From Other Countries And Faith Traditions Among New Priests


WASHINGTON—Gregory A. Rapisarda of the Archdiocese of Baltimore is a widowed deacon with four children, one of whom is priest. When he is ordained to the priesthood this year, he and his son will be the first father-son priests to serve in the archdiocese since its founding. Rapisarda is an oldster in a class where the median age is 33. Over half (56 percent) of the 440 men being ordained to the priesthood in U.S. dioceses and religious communities this year are between the ages 25 and 34. Eleven men being ordained are age 65 or older, and young and old alike, the priests of the class of 2010 come from an eclectic array of backgrounds, careers and life experiences.

Paul Kubista of the Archdiocese of St. Paul-Minneapolis worked on the Playstation 3 processor at IBM before entering the seminary. Roy Runkle of the Diocese of Birmingham, Alabama was an aerospace engineer with NASA for 38 years. Members of the Dominican Order Tap Vu and Patrick Tobin hold PhDs in mechanical engineering and chemistry, respectively.

Baltimore’s Rapisarda is not the only widowed deacon being ordained this year. Others include James Reinhart of the Archdiocese of Louisville, who’s been a deacon for 27 years and is a father and grandfather, and D. Mark Hamlet of Austin, who was ordained a permanent deacon in 1995, was married for 37 years and has six children and 11 grandchildren.

Joseph Cretella, being ordained by the Archdiocese of Hartford, entered seminary after high school, left after seven years, volunteered in the Peace Corps for two years, was married for 40 years and now has three children and seven grandchildren. His wife died three years ago. He re-entered seminary in 2008, and is now being ordained at age 71.

With the permanent diaconate in place for several decades now, the Church is seeing a growing number of priests with deacon dads. In the Archdiocese of Washington, Anthony Lickteig notes that his father has been a permanent deacon since 1976. Over a third of new priests (37 percent) have a relative who is a priest or a religious. Newly-ordained David Wells says he first considered the priesthood after the tragic death of his uncle, a priest of the Washington Archdiocese.

The class of 2010 has at least two martial artists. Edward Breshnahan of the Diocese of Arlington, Virginia, and Kevin Elbert of Cleveland are both black belts. Elbert even operated his own martial arts school and rides a Harley-Davidson motorcycle. In the Diocese of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, ordinand Daniel Moris worked for 20 years in a maximum security prison.

In the Diocese of Grand Island, Nebraska, Jerry Wetovick practiced dentistry for 45 years, and Joshua Brown served as a firefighter for six years before pursuing the priesthood. In the Diocese of Paterson, New Jersey, Amadito Flores served as a sheriff’s officer before entering the seminary, and Benjamin Williams served as an officer in the U.S. Air Force for 20 years.

Other ordinands with military experience include Thomas Gillespie of Pittsburgh who was an Army psychiatrist before entering the seminary, Steve Thomlison of Lincoln, Nebraska, who served in the Army National Guard for 22 years, and David Hammond of Albany, New York, who attended U.S. Naval Chaplains School and hopes to minister as a chaplain in the future.

Other ordinands with unique experiences include Andrew Budzinski of the Diocese of Fort Wayne-South Bend, Indiana, who represented his alma mater, the University of Notre Dame, as its mascot, the leprechaun, before pursuing a career in radio. Richard Daise of the Diocese of Salina, Kansas, attended a one-room schoolhouse for eight years of elementary school.

Nearly one-third of new priests this year were born outside the United States. Lutakome Nsubuga, being ordained by the Diocese of Spokane, Washington, traces his vocation back to his native Uganda, where his family sacrificed to send him to Catholic boarding schools. Thien Nguyen, being ordained by the Diocese of Davenport, Iowa, was born in Vietnam and studied economics at the post-graduate level before switching to seminary studies and then coming to the United States.

David Price of the Diocese of Colorado Springs wasn’t in another country when he heard the call. He was in another faith tradition. Price says he prayed for and received a sign that God was calling him to become a Catholic priest even though he was a Protestant at the time. Ross Miceli of Erie, Pennsylvania, says he was baptized a United Methodist, but given a very Catholic middle name, Rosario. Nixon Jean Francois of the Diocese of Brooklyn, New York, is the first Catholic in his family.

Some ordinands report falling away from the Catholic Church for some time. Matthew Book of the Archdiocese of Denver dropped out of his high school confirmation program and didn’t return to the faith until he was 24. James Arwady of Detroit also labels himself a “re-vert” to the Catholic faith.

Other ordinands faced challenges and overcame obstacles to become priests. Alonzo Cox of the Brooklyn Diocese wanted to be a priest from the age of 12 but was afraid to tell anyone because of what people might think of him. Bernard Sehr of the Diocese of Rockford, Illinois, says he has a strong fear of public speaking. Christopher LeBlanc of the Diocese of Pensacola-Tallahassee, Florida, has been legally blind since birth.

Others used the challenges of their formation for self improvement. Vincent Wirtner, who is being ordained by the Cincinnati Province of the Society of the Precious Blood, taught himself to play guitar as a way to deal with the stress of his philosophy studies. Matthew Henry of the Diocese of Phoenix learned four languages while in seminary: Spanish, Latin, Greek and Hebrew


What is it that makes men with such accomplishments leave everything they've worked for to join the Priesthood? It truly is amazing.
Praying for all the Priests and those discerning the Priesthood.

http://www.usccb.org/comm/archives/2010/10-076.shtml

Mudley313:
miss/mr. lady. are u a christian or a catholic?

please ask educated questions. What's the difference between a Catholic and a Christian?

I'm a Catholic Christian.

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To me Mother Mary was just a favored virgin that God used.She could BE d earthly mother of Jesus,btNOT D MOTHER OF GOD

Then which one is Jesus's heavenly mother?

Was Jesus on earth not God?

Did Jesus as God on earth not have a mother?

Didn't Elizabeth call Mary the Mother of Her Lord, remove the Her and you have the Mother of the Lord, or Mother of Lord, now what is that? Not Mother of God?

Why can't people just accept that if Jesus is God, and Mary is Jesus' mother, then Mary is the Mother of God. Mother's do not give birth to earthly empty flesh without souls. They give birth to persons, with body and soul. Christ came as a person, and when he was in the womb he was God, and when he came out he was still God and Mary still gave birth to God, hence the woman who gives birth to God, is God's Mother. I mean it's just common sense.

You must be very argumantative. You are scholar of history and yet you fail to beleive reports even when those that are physically involve tells their side of the story?

I think the problem with you is reading. try and read those pages they might be many, but if you are really objective about what you are saying, you will come to a conclusion

So because I refuse to look at your link it means I am argumentative?
What am I supposed to do? Look at your link and like a sheep agree with you?
If I disagreed, you will just label me as an argumentative person right?
Is what you're looking for agreeance and no challenge?

My dear the problem is not with me reading, it's actually with you reading. Because if you actually read my initial post, you would've seen that I stated that they are diabolic. Because I didn't want to make a final judgment on them, doesn't mean I don't know what they are about. You should've actually read my statement before you replied to me. I wanted to point that out to you but instead thought it best to help you save face, but you just felt you knew it all.

I already came to a conclusion, I did not need to read your post. I'd already studied freemasonry, and actually almost became a member of their sister organisation but realised how incompatible they are with Christianity. So you see my dear my information doesn't come from writings on the net.

Now try this foolishness with someone else.

If I were not a Catholic, and were looking for the true Church in the world today, I would look for the one Church which did not get along well with the world; in other words, I would look for the Church which the world hated. My reason for doing this would be, that if Christ is in any one of the churches of the world today, He must still be hated as He was when He was on earth in the flesh.

If you would find Christ today, then find the Church that does not get along with the world. Look for the Church that is hated by the world as Christ was hated by the world. Look for the Church that is accused of being behind the times, as our Lord was accused of being ignorant and never having learned. Look for the Church which men sneer at as socially inferior, as they sneered at Our Lord because He came from Nazareth. Look for the Church which is accused of having a devil, as Our Lord was accused of being possessed by Beelzebub, the Prince of Devils. Look for the Church which, in seasons of bigotry, men say must be destroyed in the name of God as men crucified Christ and thought they had done a service to God.

Look for the Church which the world rejects because it claims it is infallible, as Pilate rejected Christ because He called Himself the Truth. Look for the Church which is rejected by the world as Our Lord was rejected by men. Look for the Church which amid the confusions of conflicting opinions, its members love as they love Christ, and respect its Voice as the very voice of its Founder, and the suspicion will grow, that if the Church is unpopular with the spirit of the world, then it is unworldly, and if it is unworldly it is other worldly. Since it is other-worldly, it is infinitely loved and infinitely hated as was Christ Himself. But only that which is Divine can be infinitely hated and infinitely loved. Therefore the Church is Divine.

- Archbishop Fulton J Sheen, Preface to Radio Replies

Now please leave them to their foolishness. Evil eventually destroys itself. Pray for them instead.

LOL@ OLAADEGBU!!!

No wonder you don't ever make sense. You follow Jack Chick.

Question to Jack Chick: What is 2+2
Jack Chick answers: 5

That my dear is who you're following.

Jack never made sense of anything and in fact I know plenty of Protestants who became Catholics because they realised just how illogical Chick was.

Anyway I can only pray for you. That the Lord will put positive into your heart and not just hatred.
It's a sad shame that all you and others can do is sit around and gossip about Catholics.

To all Catholics live your life. Remember this, they Persecuted Christ they will persecute you even more.

If catholics can confess that they are just trying to live right and be better people through their own human agency like every other person, and not come with some fictitious claim of divine ordination then I would say that something positive has been learned from this whole episode.  finito, fini, o pari!!

Honey, there is not one Catholic that states that they are better than people. We recognise our sinfulness, it is in our liturgy, it is in all Our prayers, it is in everything we do. If anything we recognise our sinfulness more than anyone hence why we do penance in our private times and together as a Church during Lent. If however our surety of the truth convicts you then that is your problem and not ours. If you are feeling inadequate the problem is with you and not with us. If you are convicted that while you throw insults at us we sit back, take it, and pray for you instead of retaliate, then that is on you.

There is no fictitious claim of divine ordination, Did Christ not choose His apostles? Did he not ordain them to go out and preach? Did they not in turn commission others and ordain them? Are you angry because you actually do know that we speak the truth, and you just can't accept it? That's not our problem my dear, it is actually with you.

My dear the Church will always teach the truth, She can never teach error this is guaranteed by Christ by when he states 'the gates of hell shall never prevail against it' while he speaks of the Church. If the Church is in error then Jesus was a liar. It's either the Church teaches the truth or Jesus lied. I know it is a hard truth to accept, but it is nevertheless the truth. There is not one non-catholic that can prove that the Catholic Church is not the Church founded by Christ, and if she is the one founded by Christ, then either the gates of hell prevailed or it didn't. If it did, Jesus lied, if it didn't (which is true bcus Jesus cannot be a liar) then what she teaches now is the truth and the problem is with your understanding of it. After all you aren't the perfect an infallible interpreter of scriptures. But then I also know you misunderstand the teachings of the Church too.

PaX.

This thread has brought out some things out of me that I'm not too comfortable with. Like the part about playing with the Pope's name benedict - maledick etc.

But the long and the short of the point that I want to make is that This organisation is not the paragon of moral excellence it claims to be nor is it the representative of God on earth. And it is those claims that are challenged by this current drama. In fact the entire history of the RCC challenges the claim but history is history, let's deal with what is before us now.

Actually it is the paragon of moral excellence that it claims to be and it is the representative of God on earth.
The Church is the only institution that actually defends morality anywhere. Even when Her members haven't been the best, She doesn't change in morality and defends all forms of morality.

Do not confuse the teachings of the Church with the actions of the members. Be very careful lest you yourself become a hypocrite. If you were asked if lying is immoral you would say yes, however you cannot state that there has never been a time in your life that you did not lie.
Because you lied does not in anyway mean that your answer is incorrect, neither does it make you holier than thou. It is those who do not want to hear that lying is immoral that will accuse you of being holier than thou.

Now as to the representative of God on earth. Let's go back to the Bible, let's look at the apostles themselves, yes those ones who were given authority to preach, to cast out demons, to forgive sins, etc. Yes those who wrote books in the Bible that you hold to be infallible. These same people abandoned and denied Christ, one of them even betrayed Christ. And they themselves had God in their midst, they ate with Him, laughed with Him, and learned from Him. They had love Himself in their midst and yet could not be perfect and sinless. But yet they were representatives. Do not confuse infallibility with impeccability. The apostles wrote infallible but they as men were not impeccable. The problem here isn't with the Church's claim, but with your understanding of infallibility and impeccability. The Church can speak infallibly, She has to, She is the bride of Christ, she is the body of Christ. The body cannot be different from the head, the head's blood is not different from the body's blood. The Bride is spotless. However it doesn't mean that the menbers are spotless. And when you finally understand that you will finally understand a lot.

jessefly:
The worship of Mary is the reason we have catholics, she is held in reverence so much see it makes sense
create a generally accepted religion that does not seem so obviously deceitful, once people got to believe there are still christ-like the real aim of our mission shall be achieved, create another symbol that is not the true God, Mary was just a vessel, nothing more nothing less
haba do u hear people eulogise alexander the great's mother or mohammed's mother or obama's mother so believe its a well orchestrated scheme by catholics to decive 1 billion people

I give u the challenge of actually proving that Catholics do worship Mary. Are you up to the task?

davidylan:
Lady and her incoherent defense of anything catholic.

Wow, I didn't know the Washington Post was incoherent. But thanks for the heads up.

I really await the day u use logic to reply to a discussion.

Are you saying that the abuse of children did not occur in the Roman Catholic church and that there wasn't a conspiracy to cover it up? Please, a simple yes, no, or it's complicated answer.

Please explain to me how you came to the conclusion that the article is saying that there was no cover up?

I'm giving u the benefit of the doubt that you do have reading comprehension skills.

I do.

lady, is your profile picture actually pc given the context?

what's pc?

Now the above is full of claims and not one shred of evidence, not one single document or link is sited to help us verify whether what she is saying is true or not.

My dear u must understand how annoying it is to be redundant. Questions like this discourage people from ever posting in the first place because people don't care to read what is posted. They already have their pre-conceived ideas and will spout them regardless.

Go back to the first or second page.

Have you never experienced what level of absurdity the belief, that a believer can lose salvation(Arminianism) is taken to?Have you read the book,'24-Hour Interview In Hell', for instance? Please do and tell me if it's message is a reflection of the gospel and if this thread is needless. The book in question was very popular in the streets of Lagos in the year 1999, it still might be.

Please do tell me what level?

This thread is not needless to me, but should be to you because according to you a believer cannot loose salvation, therefore it really doesn't matter if they don't agree with you as long as they believe they won't loose salvation.

It's a logic thing, u might not get it.