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harbjar:
In Exodus 21:10, a man can marry an infinite amount of women without any limits to how many he can marry.

In 2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3, King David had six wives and numerous concubines.

In 1 Kings 11:3, King Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

In 2 Chronicles 11:21, King Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.

In Deuteronomy 21:15 "If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons...."

There are a lot more verses from the Old Testament that allow polygamy, but I think that the above are sufficient enough to prove my point.
So basically what you just said is abraham who had two wives, moses who had three wives, david, solomon etc all Great men of God in the bible committed adultery.....
Then on ur last point that if a man dies during jihad amd, he would be given 72virgins in the heaven
Pls quote me an ayah in the Quran that shows this ..thank you

Your statement "There are a lot more verses from the Old Testament that allow polygamy"is very wrong because God never permitted any of them to marry more than one wife.

God wants monogamy for the purpose of raising godly children. Read Malachi 2: 15 - 16

Didn’t the Lord make you one with your wife? In body and spirit you are his. And what does he want? Godly children from your union. So guard your heart; remain loyal to the wife of your youth. “For I hate divorce!” says the Lord, the God of Israel. “To divorce your wife is to overwhelm her with cruelty,” says the Lord of Heaven’s Armies. “So guard your heart; do not be unfaithful to your wife.”

Your Allah commanded otherwise
Quran 4:3
"Marry of the women, who seem good to you, two or three or four; and if ye fear that ye cannot do justice (to so many) then one (only) or (the captives) that your right hands possess."

Your Allah approved of marriage to two, three, or four. In fact, your Allah approves marrying captive girls. (Chibok girls come to mind). Isn't your Allah the inspiration for boko haram marrying off some Chibok girls?

A furious stepfather has refused to let his 12-year-old stepdaughter finish her homework after she was asked to write a letter to her family about becoming a Muslim.

Mark McLachlan, 43, from Houghton-le-Spring, near Sunderland, has slammed the decision by the Kepier School to ask pupils to pen the note.

He has refused to let his stepdaughter, who he has asked not to be named, complete the task after failing to see what the letter would accomplish.

Mr McLachlan said: ‘I know as part of the national curriculum they have to learn about all religions.

‘I just don’t see why they should ask a child to write a letter addressed to their family about converting to another religion. I really just don’t see what the letter will gain.

‘If they want children to learn about Islam, then go teach them all about it and its history.

‘What I don’t want is a school asking my stepdaughter to look into reasons for converting to another religion.

‘Like every parent, it is our decision on how we raise them and once they are old enough to make decision, then it is there choice.’

Mr McLachlan visited the school to raise his concerns and was told that this was part of the curriculum and was shown example exam questions for Islam, Christianity and Hinduism.

The homework came to light when Mr McLachlan was looking through the youngster’s school planner and saw the teacher has written the task to be handed in on November 8.

He added: ‘When I saw this assignment in the planner, written by the teacher, you could have knocked me over with a feather.

‘I told her she will not be completing it and she is more worried about getting detention.

‘We send our kids to school to get a good education and use what they have learnt to have a good career.

‘I have no problem with them learning about religions but I feel they should not be asking 12-year-olds writing to their parents about why they are converting.

‘I just found the task wholly inappropriate.

‘I would like to emphasise how much respect I have for the head of year and deputy head who were very receptive to my complaint and concerns but unfortunately in this instance the national curriculum has failed miserably in my opinion.’…

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/11/uk-school-assignment-for-12-year-olds-write-a-letter-to-family-about-converting-to-islam

budaatum:
You know very well that your only history book is your bible so stop trying to shove it down other peoples throat as if you're being objective! Giants my ass! You read that in a history book?!

Why can't you stop being lazy and read about giants who once lived on this earth? The internet is an open library!

You're trying to hide your ineptitude and ignorance in condescension and insults, but you need to go learn some. You're rather poor at it!

Don't take it personal, just be open minded; study and get knowledge

budaatum:
The Balfour Declaration

I'll like you read this link https://www.newswithviews.com/israel/israel14.htm

budaatum:
I said they stole it from the very beginning. I'm sorry, but how can you claim to "know people like me" when you can't bother to read the only evidence you have for my existence? I even accepted your "giant" claim, but you refused to read it and make allegations about knowing me!

So it's now MY giant claim? Isn't that your 'claim' too in your previous post? Like I mentioned earlier, the major problem here is your inability to accept knowledge outside your believe system.

Read history; read books and be enlightened!

I haven't said it should be returned, least not to "giants" of some 2000 years ago plus. However another theft occurred in 1947, and this time, from the Palestinians. So, if you're thinking of giving it back, give it to them thank you very much.

The Balfour Declaration

So you mean they shouldn't return the land to the 'original owners' but to the Palestinians. Where were the 'Palestinians' when the Israelites 'stole' the land from the giants thousands of years ago?

Only lazy history students will even mention 'Palestinians' in the first place

menxer:
What is dribbling that you don't understand? That Yahweh and Allah are both tribal Gods? So if Allah commanded his followers to fight, and Yahweh commanded his followers to fight, are they not the same in that? how is the essence of the fighting different?

Its obvious your mind is already made up and not open to knowledge. The rubbish you posted have already been addressed in my previous posts

budaatum:
You know me, or people like me? I honestly believed I was unique.

Be that as it may be. I quote a list of the inhabitants of the land according to Genesis 15.

On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram and said, "To your descendants I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates - the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaite, Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites."


The Rephaites, known as Phoenicians by the Greeks, were one of the groups of people who occupied the land that is described as "either a people of greater-than-average height and stature (possibly giants), or to dead ancestors who are residents of the Netherworld".

The point however is that the land the Israelites eventually stole belonged to some people whom they stole it from.

Your response is clear enough. Now, you claimed they 'stole' it; who should they return it back to since the giants are all dead?

harbjar:
Another nonsense about islam....

What is nonsense about the FACT that God, whose name is Yahweh is different from the Islamic God whose name is Allah?

Firstly, since you re comparing, yoy shouldn't have used the name God's book for bible.. Its bias
Secondly, i need you to show me a verse in the boble where it was stated that one must marry one, most of the prophets mentioned in the bible practised polygamy.. Same bible said solomon had 700wives and 300 concubines...
The Holy Quran says..
Surah An-Nisa, Verse 3:
وَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تُقْسِطُوا فِي الْيَتَامَىٰ فَانكِحُوا مَا طَابَ لَكُم مِّنَ النِّسَاءِ مَثْنَىٰ وَثُلَاثَ وَرُبَاعَ فَإِنْ خِفْتُمْ أَلَّا تَعْدِلُوا فَوَاحِدَةً أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ ذَٰلِكَ أَدْنَىٰ أَلَّا تَعُولُوا

And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan-girls, then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four *[b]but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one* [/b]or (the captives and the slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice.
The only religious book that had the expression "marry only one is the Quran.. Not even the bible has such..

The Bible is very clear on monogamy! The standard for marriages was set in Genesis 2: 22-24

The LORD God fashioned into a woman the rib which He had taken from the man, and brought her to the man. The man said, "This is now bone of my bones, And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man." For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh.

God, in Malachi 2: 13 - 15 sanctioned monogamy because it produces godly offsprings

And this is the second thing you do:
You cover the altar of the Lord with tears,
With weeping and crying;
So He does not regard the offering anymore,
Nor receive it with goodwill from your hands.
Yet you say, “For what reason?”
Because the Lord has been witness
Between you and the wife of your youth,
With whom you have dealt treacherously;
Yet she is your companion
And your wife by covenant.
But did He not make them one,
Having a remnant of the Spirit?
And why one?
He seeks godly offspring.
Therefore take heed to your spirit,
And let none deal treacherously with the wife of his youth.

In 1 Timothy 3:2, the Bible is clear on monogamy expected of a Christian leader

Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,

There are numerous verses in the Bible that teaches polygamy of which I only pointed out few just to counter your lies.

Are you really in agreement with the Quranic verse that you qouted?

'And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan-girls, then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four *but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one* or (the captives and the slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice.'

It's obvious Islam sanctioned sex slaves and forceful marriages; no wonder, boko-haram could religiously boast about marrying captured Chibok girls, and an Emir could forceful marry Christian girls in Nigeria's north without any backlash from the security agents.

Thirdly. You said women re not respected in islam.... Pls het the quran and read pls and authentic hadiths to learn about what is said about women.. The quran also says;
Surah An-Nisa, Verse 1:
يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ اتَّقُوا رَبَّكُمُ الَّذِي خَلَقَكُم مِّن نَّفْسٍ وَاحِدَةٍ وَخَلَقَ مِنْهَا زَوْجَهَا وَبَثَّ مِنْهُمَا رِجَالًا كَثِيرًا وَنِسَاءً وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ الَّذِي تَسَاءَلُونَ بِهِ وَالْأَرْحَامَ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ عَلَيْكُمْ رَقِيبًا

O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, His mate, and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women;- reverence Allah, through whom ye demand your mutual (rights), [b]and (reverence) the wombs (That bore you): [/b]for Allah ever watches over you.
(English - Yusuf Ali)

via iQuran
That womb that bore you means women... I dont jave all the time to treat ur nonsense but u need to learn more and seek the truth about islam

This question should address the place of women in Islam if you can think objectively. The reward for muslims who dies in the cause of Jihad is 72 Houris in Aljana; what is the reward of muslim women in aljana?

budaatum:
Perhaps an oversight on your part, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your accusation that I changed my narrative is in error. I obviously haven't, as you'd note if you go through the sequence of posts.

As to my understanding of spiritual things, claiming one is ignorant, which is the implication of that statement, is a clear attempt to assume superior knowledge so as pass off absolute nonsense steeped in ones own ignorance.

That said, speaking 'spiritually', one could claim they were giants in ability, or intellect. Still, I am not the sort to take the word of land grabbers when it comes to such said land grabbing so to speak. The point remains that some people owned the land and the land grabbers' god told them to go take it off them. And claiming some spiritual reason for that theft is rather shady and somewhat dishonest.

Do note similar excuses were given to justify transatlantic slavery.

The problem with people like you is not being open to knowledge different from what you believe.

I pointed out in my previous post that Giants were the one occupying the land and not Arabs as you claimed but you never responded in that line

budaatum:
Well, at least you admit some people live on the land prior to the arrival of the Jews! But really?

If I pulled that trick on you, "claim my god gave land you dwelled on to my forefathers", I guess that's okay then. I wouldn't even have to fight you and rape your women. You'll just get up and go somewhere else.

Because my god said so.

Now you've changed your narrative from 'Lebanese, Palestinians, Egyptians, etc' to 'people live on the the land prior to the arrival of the Jews'.

I talked about those 'people' in my previous reply but seems you ignored it.

If you understand spiritual things, you'll know that the enemy always try to put in place stumbling block for the people of God whenever God promised to do something but through God, we're always more than conquerors through Christ that strengthens us. Even with the stumbling block of giants in the promised land, the people of God still possessed their rightful inheritance. After the defeat of the giants, the enemy still planted other 'tribes' to be stumbling block but the people of God always come out victorious

This issue is either you're on the side of propagation of the kingdom of Christ or against it

People should be very careful of teachings supported by atheists, Muslims, and other unbelievers.

The fact that atheists, Muslims and other anti-Christian movements supports Freeze makes the message to be anti-Christ

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán said that after decades of being under the control of “anti-Christian, internationalist powers” the country needs a government “based on the teachings of Christ” which “made Europe and the Hungarians great”.

Speaking at a celebratory event marking the 500th anniversary of the Reformation, the conservative Fidesz party leader said that it was a duty of his government to protect “the ways of life that have their roots in Christianity”, including human dignity, the family, the nation, and faith communities, adding that Christian Europe needs a spiritual and intellectual renewal.

After decades of oppression under Communist rule, the Hungarians’ emergence from the collapsed Soviet Empire led them to look to their Christian heritage to frame their constitution which begins: “God bless the Hungarians!”

Mr. Orbán told crowds assembled for the anniversary: “We are grateful that the nation has united its strength, regained its feet and strengthened, […] that it has regained its vitality, its capacity for action and the desire to do great things.”

Making pointed remarks conveying his government’s scepticism of progressive doctrine, he added: “We are grateful that, instead of letting the current carry it, [Hungary] has chosen a cardinal point of the compass and a lodestar, it has charted a course, and it is creating a route for its own life.”

Alluding to the country’s defiance against interference from open-borders campaigner George Soros and the European Union, the prime minister added that “although we need to stand in the way of major forces – even global forces – we can still stand, and we are still standing on our feet”.

Hungary is being assailed by the EU over the country’s stand on the bloc’s forced migrant relocation plans, and its new legal measures for greater transparency of foreign influenced charities and universities – the latter two directly affecting the interests of the billionaire speculator Soros, whose plans to flood the continent with one million migrants a year is believed by the Hungarian government to be directly influencing the EU’s migration policy.

“We are fighting and praying together so that God may bless the Hungarian people,” said the prime minister in closing remarks. “God save Hungary! Soli Deo Gloria [Glory to God alone].”

Last month, fellow former Soviet satellite state Poland celebrated another important date in Christian history, with the Catholic Feast of the Holy Rosary that marked the anniversary of the Battle of Lepanto where “the Christian fleet overcame the Muslim armada, saving Europe from Islamisation”…..

Read on
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/11/01/hungary-govt-dedicated-christian-values-made-europe-great/

budaatum:
The Amorites; the Arabahs, the Canaanites and Lebanese. Deuteronomy 1-3

And note, that was according to the land grabbers!

Today, that would be where they currently occupy plus Palestine (the West Bank and Gaza), plus some of Egypt and Syria, plus all of Jordan, plus some of Saudi Arabia and Iraq. They currently possess a fraction of the land 'God promised'.

The dwellers of the promise land were not the present day Arabs! The dwellers were the descendants of Nephilim - the giants.

Recall that Moses was instructed by the Lord to send out spies to search the land of Canaan and the feedback as recorded in Numbers 13: 33 is "And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight."

Though Caleb brought courageous report.

Also, in the record of Deuteronomy 3, all the giants were destroyed with Og king of Bashan being the only remnants of the giants (See Deut 3:11).

See a pictorial representation of a giant compared with normal human

budaatum:
No book was written by God. Those from whom the Israelites took the land were the owners prior to it being taken from them.

And who were they? The original owners?

menxer:
As brilliantly condescending as you are, you have failed to explain in whose image the woman was created, pay attention to your words:

"Man was made in the image of God and woman was made from man (just the body)"

Does that imply woman was made in the image of man?

If the only difference between male and female is just in the body, how come Angels have only male bodies?

Since there is no woman in heaven as all angels are male, is it safe to say heaven is "same sex" place in a sense?

Does it mean women will be transformed to males on getting to heaven to get their heavenly reward? If so, why the bias against transgendered folks on earth?

How does, "as in heaven also upon the earth" (Mathew 6:10) fit in this context?

Besides, your argument still bolster the dominance of male both on earth, in heaven and in the Trinity.
I guess that means the female should go and do the needful to herself.

Only the wise will understand

An active shooter fired at an outdoor concert crowd in Las Vegas’ Mandalay Bay Casino area. At least 50 people died and 400 were injured in the shooting, that was later claimed by ISIS. The roads leading to the Vegas strip were shut by the police. The gunman was shot down at the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel. The Nevada sheriff identified Stephen Paddock as the suspected gunman in Las Vegas shootout.

Islamic State has claimed responsibility for a shooting that killed at least 50 people and wounded over 400 in Las Vegas early on Monday, and said the attacker had converted to Islam a few months ago.

“The Las Vegas attack was carried out by a soldier of the Islamic State and he carried it out in response to calls to target states of the coalition,” the group’s news agency Amaq said in reference to the US-led coalition fighting the group in the Middle East.

“The Las Vegas attacker converted to Islam a few months ago,” Amaq added….

Source: https://www.thequint.com/news/world/las-vegas-shooting-concert-live

Habyz:
I adviced you read the Hadith

Which hadith? The one I posted earlier?

I already read it!

After posting it, you claimed I was ignorant; then, explain it to me so I will no longer be ignorant

Its a simple stuff

Stupid human beings. You write a book and claim your Gods wrote it. Then you fight and kill each other and claim your Gods done it!

Yahweh people, having wondered in the desert for a certain period, saw some nice juicy land and claimed their Yahweh promised it to them. Yahweh never bothered giving the original occupants notice to quit the land mind, and the rest is Biblical so to speak.

Forgive me if my response to your deceit is Jihad!

Your response is just stupidity and ignorance... Which book was written by God? Who were the original occupants of that land?

budaatum:
I fully understand my initial post and have no reason to further explain it to myself. Nor do I have to provide evidence to prove that that that is how I see it. If I were a Christian, say, would you ask me to present God so you can see what I see?

All the same, I'd advise you to go read the Quran and the Old Testament, they are talking about the same entity called God.

Go back and answer the questions... I don't like people running away from questions

menxer:
@bolded, And what makes you think no other God can make the same claim, since those are equally titles?

That was the genesis of the fall of Lucifer - wanting to claim the exalted throne of the most high. Think of yourself as the most high and be given the Lucifer treatment

Besides, King of Kings, God of Gods connotes an elective position, just as any member of Parliament can be elected Prime Minister by other parliamentarians.

Who elected the King of Kings? When was the election?

So Yahweh that was known to the Hebrews becomes the Unknown God of the Greeks?
How many Gods do you know?
How do you account for the Gods Unknown to you?

Its either you don't understand things easily or you're willfully ignorant or rather blinded by your false self belief because I explained in my earlier post about the different gods worshiped in different cultures and tribe.
Anybody can worship any god, the choice is yours! The most high God doesn't need your worship to be God. He was God even before creating man and other things - in fact, if men don't worship him, he can raise up stones (give life to stones) to worship him.

APCsupporter:
Oh God! is that your interpretation of tge verse? what it simply means is that Allah gave him a spirit just like everyone else. If i give you something then it means that it came from me and not that its a part of me. Gosh!

imagine a christian calling another book fake even when there is no book that is half as contradictory as the bible. lol

Your problem is very simple...comprehension!

You will become a better person when you're able to comprehend a passage

How many people in the Quran did Allah talked about as 'his word' and 'his spirit'? Not even Mohammed, the Islamic Prophet!

There are several other passages in the Quran that talked about Jesus as the Word and Spirit of God.

"…O Mary! Behold, God gives you good news of a word from Him, who shall become known as the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary..."
(Quran 3:45)

The meaning of Messiah is Saviour - Mohammed was never referred to as the saviour. Why?

The name of Jesus is found in 25 places in the Quran whilst the name of the Islamic Prophet Mohammad is only found in 4 places in the Quran. Why?

The Quran Chapter 2 verse 87 ...We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit...

There's no place in the Quran where Mohammed was strengthened with the Holy Spirit like Jesus. Why?

Quran Chapter 3 verse 45 “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;

Quran never mentioned that Mohammed will be held in honour in this world and the Hereafter. Why?

To summarize this post, read below Quranic passage
Quran chapter 57 verse 28 says
“JESUS, the messenger, will provide for you a Light by which ye shall walk
…and that Jesus had the authority from Allah to forgive your sins.”

Mohammed was never mentioned as the light by which you shall walk. Why?
Mohammed was never mentioned to forgive sins. Why?

Answering all the 'whys' will illuminate your mind

Habyz:
I don't need to show you, it was on your last post, I advice you read and understand the Hadith.

I posted the hadith in my last post and you claimed 'ignorance' on my part. It will be nice you explain the hadith so I will no longer be 'ignorant'

APCsupporter:
So many lies in this poo.

okay, lets start with the first lie. Where did Qur'an claim that Jesus is the spirit of Allah?

In the heavily distorted and plagiarized book, the Islamic God - Allah had to recognize 'Jesus' as the word and spirit of God just to fulfill the biblical prophecy which says 'at the mention of the name Jesus, every knee must bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Lord'.

Sura 4:171

O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a Spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Three (Trinity)" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is One God. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.

Jesus is the word of God

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

He was in the beginning with God.

All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
John 1:4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.( John 1:1-4)

Jesus is called the "Word" (Logos) in Greek here. And Logos was used for God. John declares that in the beginning Logos existed, He was with God and Logos was God. This shows the complex nature of God. Jesus is none other than God Himself. And by declaring this John said that, Jesus is the eternal God who was from the beginning and He came down in the form of human flesh.

And Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. If you read the whole Bible you can see that Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. The very first chapter of the Bible says about the Spirit of God. "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters." (Genesis 1:1-2)

May you be delivered into the the truth in Jesus name

Here's the full story from the link OP provided

In the 14-minute video shown below,Mario Joseph, a former Muslim Imam shares how he became a believer in Jesus Christ by reading the Koran.

Mario was born into a Muslim family and raised as a devoted Muslim, eventually becoming an Imam. One day while he was teaching in the mosque, one of his students asked, “Who is Jesus?”

Mario did not have a good answer, so he read the entire Koran once again, all 6,666 verses, to find what it says about Jesus. He found in chapter 3:45-55 the Koran identifies Jesus as the Word of God, the Spirit of God, the Messiah, the Christ, born to a virgin named Mary, conceived in her womb by the decree, the spoken word of God. In addition, it says Jesus created a bird from the dust, healed the blind and the leprous, raised the dead, was put to death by the will of God, was then resurrected from the dead, ascended into heaven, and will one day return. Verse 3:55 says God (Allah) will cause those who follow Jesus to be above those who do not believe in Him.

Based on the Koran, Mario compared Jesus with Muhammad and realized these facts:

It says Jesus was the Word of God, but it never says Muhammad was the Word of God.
It says Jesus was the Spirit of God, but it never says Muhammad was the Spirit of God.
It says Jesus had power to create life from dust, but it never says Muhammad did anything like that.
It says Jesus performed miracles of healing, but it never says Muhammad did any miracles.
It says Jesus was raised from the dead and is now alive, but it never says Muhammad was raised from the dead. He still remains in his grave.
It says Jesus ascended into heaven, but it never reveals Muhammad’s eternal fate, so Muslims cannot be sure whether or not he made it to heaven.
It says Jesus will return, but it never says Muhammad will return.
The Koran only mentions Muhammad 4 times, but it mentions Jesus 25 times.
The Koran never mentions Muhammad’s mother’s name or the name of any other woman, except Mary, the mother of Jesus.

So, Mario concluded Jesus Christ is greater than Muhammad and became a follower of Jesus. The complete passage from the Koran is shown here.

[3.45] When the angels said: O Marium (Mary), surely Allah gives you good news with a Word from Him (of one) whose name is the ‘Messiah (Christ), Isa (Jesus) son of Marium (Mary), worthy of regard in this world and the hereafter and of those who are made near (to Allah).
[3.46] And he shall speak to the people when in the cradle and when of old age, and (he shall be) one of the good ones.
[3.47] She said: My Lord! When shall there be a son (born) to me, and man has not touched me? He said: Even so, Allah creates what He pleases; when He has decreed a matter, He only says to it, Be, and it is.
[3.48] And He will teach him the Book and the wisdom and the Tavrat and the Injeel (the Bible).
[3.49] And (make him) an apostle to the children of Israel: That I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that I determine for you out of dust like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird with Allah’s permission and I heal the blind and the leprous, and bring the dead to life with Allah’s permission and I inform you of what you should eat and what you should store in your houses; most surely there is a sign in this for you, if you are believers.
[3.50] And a verifier of that which is before me of the Torah and that I may allow you part of that which has been forbidden to you, and I have come to you with a sign from your Lord. Therefore be careful of (your duty to) Allah and obey me.
[3.51] Surely Allah is my Lord and your Lord, therefore serve Him; this is the right path.
[3.52] But when Isa (Jesus) perceived unbelief on their part, he said, “Who will be my helpers in Allah’s way?” The disciples said: We are helpers (in the way) of Allah: We believe in Allah and bear witness that we are submitting ones (Muslims).
[3.53] Our Lord! we believe in what Thou hast revealed and we follow the apostle, so write us down with those who bear witness.
[3.54] And they planned and Allah (also) planned, and Allah is the best of planners.
[3.55] And when Allah said: O Isa (Jesus), I am going to terminate the period of your stay (on earth) and cause you to ascend unto Me and purify you of those who disbelieve and make those who follow you above those who disbelieve to the day of resurrection; then to Me shall be your return, so I will decide between you concerning that in which you differed. (Koran 3:45-55)

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Seriously serious, I never knew of your extreme stupidity before this thread (apologies for the word stupid )

Wait... let me lecture you

What makes human male or female are the differences in body... A man/woman is made up of the body, spirit, and soul. The body was made of sand and will decay, then turn back to sand after death, the spirit lives forever.

Man was made in the image of God and woman was made from man (just the body) but we all share the same spirit form as a result of same breath of God whose name is Yahweh. (Read the creation story in Genesis 1 and 2).

The moment man or woman dies, there is no more gender difference that is why there won't be marriage in heaven (Mathew 22:30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.)

Note the bolded from Jesus' quote- they will be like the angels of heaven

There are no female angels

The Greek word for “angel” in the New Testament, angelos, is in the masculine form. In fact, a feminine form of angelos does not exist. There are three genders in grammar—masculine (he, him, his), feminine (she, her, hers), and neuter (it, its). Angels are never referred to in any gender other than masculine. In the many appearances of angels in the Bible, never is an angel referred to as “she” or “it.” Furthermore, when angels appeared, they were always dressed as human males (Genesis 18:2, 16; Ezekiel 9:2). No angel ever appears in Scripture dressed as a female.

The angels named in the Bible—Michael, Gabriel, Lucifer—had male names and all are referred to in the masculine. “Michael and his angels” (Revelation 12:7); “Mary was greatly troubled at his [Gabriel’s] words” (Luke 1:29); “Oh, Lucifer, son of the morning” (Isaiah 14:12). Other references to angels are always in the masculine gender. In Judges 6:21, the angel holds a staff in “his” hand. Zechariah asks an angel a question and reports that “he” answered (Zechariah 1:19). The angels in Revelation are all spoken of as “he” and their possessions as “his” (Revelation 10:1, 5; 14:19; 16:2, 4, 17; 19:17; 20:1).

wolesmile:
Quite interesting!!!
Your point number 5 interests me. Maybe I should ask you, is your "GOD" of the old testament the same as your "GOD" of the new testament? Cos if yes, then he is the same as Allah. And if no, then you guys need to remove the old testament from your book. If you want to debate this, think twice, else you'll have your fate shaken.

'Fate shaken'?... If you mean 'faith' then you don't know anything about me

Create another thread on your 'challenge' and tag me, then I will address it cos I don't want you to derail this thread

budaatum:
Yet, you are wrong! First Yahweh is not Jesus. Second Yahweh has the same values as Allah. And third, a Muslim and Christian who does not have the value called love of God and his fellow beings is worse than a dog (no insult to the dog is intended).

I want you to read your post again, this time read it slowly

Yet, you are wrong! First Yahweh is not Jesus. Second Yahweh has the same values as Allah. And third, a Muslim and Christian who does not have the value called love of God and his fellow beings is worse than a dog (no insult to the dog is intended)

I will like to ask you some questions from your post

1. Who is Yahweh?

2. Who is Jesus?

3. What are the values of Yahweh?

4. What are the values of Allah?

5. Where was it written that 'a Muslim who does not have the value called love of God and is fellow beings is worse than a dog'?

6. Where was it written that 'a Christian who does not have the value called love of God and is fellow beings is worse than a dog'?

Your answers will address your initial post

menxer:
In a rational arguement of this nature, it is idiotic to claim Yahweh is the God of Heaven and Earth, because to the Romans, Greeks, Sumerians, Egyptian, Indians, Arabians, Chinese, Mayans, etc they had their own God of Heaven and Earth.

Yahweh is the God of Heaven and Earth when we view things from the Hebrew perspective, but Allah viewed from the Arabian, or Amen-Ra from the Egyptian, or Brahma from Indian, or Quetzalcoatl from Mayan, Anu from Sumerian, ... Perspectives.

Since they all refer to the "God of Heaven and Earth," it begs the question, why only Yahweh should be different if he is also the "God of Heaven and Earth?"

Unless "God of Heaven and Earth" is a title that change hands over the aeons.

If you can, decode what was said in the Matrix :-

Spoon boy: Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth….
Neo: What truth?
Spoon boy: There is no spoon.
Neo: There is no spoon?
Spoon boy: Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.

The problem with most of you guys is too much knowledge without understanding!

The word 'God' is not a name
The word 'God' is not a name
The word 'God' is not a name
I hope you get the emphasis now...

The word 'God' is not a name but a title (a position) just like the word 'President'
Anybody can bear 'President' but the question is 'President of which country?'

Anybody/deity could bear 'God' but the question also is 'God of what?'

The Yoruba race, long before Christianity or Islam was introduced into Yoruba communities understood these things very well...

There are many Gods in Yoruba culture...

Sango - God of thunder
Ogun - God of Iron, etc

But with all the numerous Gods in Yoruba culture, the wise Yoruba still understood that there's a supreme God called 'Olorun' or 'Olodumare'

In Athens, many years ago, they also understood what the Yoruba culture understands. Athenians worshiped many Gods but still understood there's a supreme God - they didn't know the name of the supreme God but labeled him 'THE UNKNOWN GOD'. (See Acts 17:23)

All tribes and cultures worshiped different Gods but there's only one God of Gods, King of Kings, the creator of heaven and earth whose name is YAHWEH

Habyz:
OK! I'll take your advice. I don't need to defend God, I just hope you'll learn to see past your ignorance before it's too late.
NB: Please read the hadiths well before comingonline to showcase your ignorance.

Please show me my 'ignorance'

menxer:
this long sermon just to show how ignorant a person is?

You end up affirming what you set out to refute: Yahweh is the God of the people that followed Moses, of the tribe of Israel and Allah is the God of the people that followed Mohammed, of the Quraysh tribe.

If you check the world over, all tribes have their own Supreme God.

Where and how does the Mayans, Aztec, Sumerians, Atlantians, lemurians and their Supreme Gods fit in all these?

You always beat around the bush... why cant you address each of my points?

Get out of this thread since you cannot refute the fact that the God of heaven and earth whose name is Yahweh is not the same person as the Islamic God Allah

Habyz:
And the 'aim' as you call it is written in which book, give me some verses.

You want to know whether am aware of the Quranic verses that supports stealing right?

NB: Muslims should stop supporting evil; Islam is not your religion, it is a religion started by an Arab named Mohammed. You are a Muslim today because someone introduced you to it which is most likely your parents. Study with free mind, get knowledge and come to the saving grace of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Now, to show Islamic verses on stealing from kafirs, I will only state a few

Ibn Ishaq (327) - "Allah made booty lawful and good. He used it to incite the Muslims to unity of purpose. So enjoy what you have captured."

Ibn Ishaq (503) - "Allah saw what was in their hearts [what they coveted] so he rewarded them with victory and with as much spoil as they could take. Allah promised that they would soon capture a great deal of booty.” 508 goes on to say that, "Whenever they heard of a Meccan caravan setting out for Syria, they intercepted it, and killed everyone they could get a hold of...They tore every caravan to pieces and took the goods."

Ibn Ishaq (764) - As for taking from unbelievers, perhaps the most illuminating example among many comes from the aftermath of the battle against the Khaybar, as recorded by Muhammad's earliest biographer. The Khaybar were a peaceful community of Jewish farmers who did not even know they were at war until Muhammad led his men against their town one morning, taking them by surprise and handily defeating them.

Not only did Muhammad take much of the town's possessions and land, but he actually had the tribe's treasurer, a man named Kinana, tortured until he gave up the location of hidden treasure. Muhammad then beheaded the man and "married" his traumatized widow, Safiyya (who passed through the hands of one of his lieutenant's first, due to the luck of the draw).

Sahih Bukhari (44:668) - "We were in the company of the Prophet at Dhul-Hulaifa. The people felt hungry and captured some camels and sheep (as booty)..." Muhammad said that Allah would always provide sustenance for those who believe in him. Stealing from non-Muslims was a legitimate means of fulfilling Allah's promise.

Again, you don't need to defend the god that hates (Allah)

menxer:
There is nothing to argue.

Moses from the tribe of Israel brought the worship of Yahweh.
Mohammed from Quraysh tribe brought the worship of Allah.
Making both initially tribal Gods.

Now which God did Jesus preached about?
if Yahweh, how come the requirements from the people changed from what it was in the days of Moses?

Does it mean the God Jesus talked about was different from that of Moses?

These are different men with different concepts of the same God.

Your ignorance is extraordinary!

The God of heaven and earth whose name is Yahweh is not a tribal God!

God was speaking in Psalms 87:4-6

“I will record Rahab and Babylon among those who acknowledge me— Philistia too, and Tyre, along with Cush — and will say, ‘This one was born in Zion.’ ” Indeed, of Zion it will be said, “This one and that one were born in her, and the Most High himself will establish her.” The LORD will write in the register of the peoples: “This one was born in Zion.”

Rahab, Babylon, Philistia, Tyre, and Cush mentioned in the above passage were not Israelites.

The word 'Israel' has three primary layers of meanings:

1. The Jewish people
2. The land/nation of Israel
3. God's covenant family

Not all Israel (Jewish people) are Israel (God's covenant family - the saved). See Romans 9:6

Every man saved by the blood of Jesus no matter the tribe or color belongs to the Israel of God!

To your second question; the answer lies on the mount of transfiguration in Mathew 17: 1-5

After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.

Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here. If you wish, I will put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.”

While he was still speaking, a bright cloud covered them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. Listen to him!”

To answer your other question, read this

Mathew 19:3 - 9

Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”

“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

“Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”

Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

Now, to your last post

The prophet of Islam, Mohammed has no ties with Yahweh! Infact, his message is directly against 'the people of the book' i.e. the followers of Yahweh - the Israel of God.

Mohammed never knew Yahweh because his works are against the works of Jesus

Consider the passage in Mathew 11: 27 “All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

The Son (Jesus Christ) never revealed the Father to Mohammed!

To have a biblical clue to the message of Mohammed, read Galatians 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

Mohammed preached a gospel other than the one preached in the New Testament so the above passage is against him

Jesus prophesied about Islam in John 16:2 They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, the time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God.

Mohammed taught Muslims that killing kafirs (Christians) is an offering to Allah which is a fulfillment of Jesus' prophecy in John 16:2


Allah is the God of Mohammed and his followers - the god of Jihad, violence, Sharia, No mercy; Allah is a god that sees the Jews and Christians as the enemy forever

Yahweh is the God of heaven and earth - the God who forgave the adulterous woman; he made the thieve on the cross to enter into paradise; he healed the sick, opened the blind eyes, met the needs of a widow in drought; brought salvation to mankind no matter the sin, tribe or color; loves the sinner but hates sin.

He loves the atheist, the homosexuals, and the prostitutes. He loves Muslims, Buddhist, and every one.

He wants all to come to repentance and be delivered from the coming destruction.

Just believe in the name of Jesus and be saved