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KingEbukasBlog:
Most atheists do while some believe the universe is eternal . You really need to read the OP and understand it cos I'm forced to repeat whatever being said there and it is stressful . An eternal universe does not preclude the existence of God it only makes God seem like an impersonal God .



Atheism is the belief there is no God .

Please, can we try to avoid that immature type of conversation where someone never admits they are wrong. You just admitted here that your premise that atheists believe something is a generalization (most atheists do while some believe the universe is eternal ...) Why not admit that my conclusion on that point was right so that i can atleast know that am reasoning with a respectable interlocutor?


Atheism is the belief there is no God: This is false. disbelief of the existence of a thing does not mean belief in its inexistence. If someone told you your relation is dead and you do not believe; it does not mean you believe said relation is alive either. If someone calls you at that moment to ask if that particular relation is dead your answer is most likely "I dont know". You simply do not believe he is dead!!!! It is a state of denial. I trust you will be kind enough to look up the dictionary definition of atheism.

Atheism is not the rejection of religious principles , it is the belief there is no God .

This is a grossly wrong assertion. Please look up the definition of atheism... or look at it here. atheism
ˈeɪθɪɪz(ə)m/
noun
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

I think you should understand the cosmological argument for the existence of God . Its not saying that everything in the universe has a cause therefore the universe has a cause . The universe as a whole began to exist , therefore it has a cause . Clearly , there is no fallacy of composition .

Good. The cosmological argument for the existence of God is not a fact. It is a theory which you can take sides with or against. It proves nothing. Nor is it wholly accepted amongst philosophy icons, past and present. It cannot therefore constitute a premise to a logical conclusion and i must toss it aside and welcome you to do same.

According to the lecture by Stephen Hawking , physical laws show that the universe had a beginning . All indications show that the universe is finite . There are other reasons why the universe is finite as stated here : hawking.org.uk/the-beginning-of-time.html

These are not facts and cannot constitute a veritable premise for any logical conclusion. I respect Stephen Hawking. But even he appreciates the difference between theories and laws. Theories only serve to persuade us to think about things from a certain perspective. Laws/facts means that once we acknolowedge a piece of information, our thoughts are to be bound by it. e.g. upon discovering a dead person. you must consider him dead in every thought you wield of him afterwards. And so must anyone who comes to discuss with you.

There is no fallacy of special pleading . Abstract objects like numbers , properties are also uncreated and are necessarily existing .

Your premises are wrong.
numbers do have an origin: they began to exist the minute the first objects came together to form a collection. Properties are born the minute the object they describe is born...


I am a very unbiased person...possibly the most unbiased you've interacted with. And in all sincerity, your response, has done nothing within the boundaries of logic, to distort my previous conclusion; mainly that you initial assertions for which we began this conversation and their conclusions are false.

These are my logical conclusions.
1. The litmus test to determine an atheist is not what he believes, but what he doesnt.

2. Stating that the universe has a cause immediately presents the problem: what caused the cause? Stating that that cause is exempt, for any reason, from being caused, presents the problem of special pleading. The statement that the universe has a cause is therefore logically false.

KingEbukasBlog:
These are not mere assertions , these are logical deductions .





Atheists believe that something can come from nothing uncaused - that's it so illogical .




Exactly .



God has no material nature and yes nothing comes from nothing which makes atheism is illogical .



This is a mishmash of contradicting thoughts . Nothing can't create anything . It is causally impotent .

All I'm trying to say is that something can't come from absolute nothingness uncaused or without a transcendent force which is eternal . Since something which is God already exists then How was it created ?

There is what is called infinite regress of causes : an infinite chain of cause and effect [endless beginnings] and this is totally illogical . And since infinite regress of causes is illogical , something has to be eternal . Something being eternal means it has always been . It never had a beginning and it is changeless or immutable . The term 'First Cause' was coined to represent this eternal being that could cause the existence of things while itself is uncaused or without any cause .

The atheist belief is that there is no such being . And that there was absolute nothingness then suddenly something comes into existence without any cause .



You clearly did .

Creatio ex nihilo : creation out of nothingness . That is the coming into being of our material universe caused by an immaterial entity an unembodied mind or consciousness

Creatio ex deo : creation out of being of God . That is our material universe and everything in it was created out of the being of an immaterial entity or an unembodied mind or consciousness



Its pretty simple . If you believe there is no creator . It is either

1. The universe created itself from absolute nothingness which is clearly illogical

2. The universe is eternal [ all scientific evidence show that the universe is finite or began to exist , physical laws show that the universe have a beginning but they don't show the universe began]

That means atheists believe in 1 which is clearly illogical .

Atheists believe that something can come out of nothing: this is false. There is no definition of atheism that describes them to believe in anything. They simply do not agree with certain religious principles. Anything u add further here is speculation. There are atheists who assume the earth came from big bang theory. there are also atheists who think that story is bullshit. These views do not make them atheists. What makes them atheists is there disbelief in religious principles.

Then infinite regress of causes is illogical: this is not only false; but suffers from the fallacy of composition. This fallacy has to do with assuming that what is true for the member of a group is true for the group as a whole. The fact that every element on universe has a causal effect does not translate this attribute to the universe itself.

the infinite regress of causes doesnt even set in at all. We dont know that the universe must have a beginning to start with. The fact that you posit that a being has to have set off the events presents the fallacy of special pleading where you say everything has an attribute, and then go on to make an exception to be able to justify your claim in the first place.

analice107:
Have you tried the Holy Spirit?

How do i know its the holy spirit talking to me? So many people say the holys spirit is talking to them and they sound sincere....yet the holy spirit seems to be telling them different, contradictory things.

KingEbukasBlog:
Good question but you should read the OP

Creatio ex nihilo , a concept of creation is from a materialist perspective : Creation out of nothing . Material in the sense of what is tangible , physical or bodied . And God is an immaterial being .

But creatio ex nihilo in my opinion seems to be a subset of another concept of creation called creatio ex deo that is the creation out of being of God . So what is seen as nothingness is actually of the being of an immaterial God since He is omnipresent and the source of everything that exists .

That is why atheism is illogical . If absolute nothingness once existed then why do we have the universe which is something - this only bespeaks of the existence of a transcendent force which has to be eternal and immaterial .

I'm struggling to understand the numerous assertions here. Hopefully, you will correct me where i've misunderstood you.


The assertion am trying to prove or disprove here is the statement "nothing can come from nothingness".


You seem to be saying that God is immaterial, and then created the material. And that atheism is illogical because it assumes the universe rises from absolute nothingness.

On the first point, the material or immaterial nature of God doesnt prove the assertion that Nothing comes out of nothing. If immaterial means nothing; then nothing is already creating something when the immaterial God created a material universe. Thus, proving the OP's assertion wrong. If however immaterial means something that exists which we cant feel/touch/see, but it exists nonetheless, then something already exists here and the next question is how was it created? None of these train of thoughts however proves the assertion in question?

If i misunderstood you on this first point, please clarify without resorting to Latin as i sincerly do not speak latin.

On the second point, I consider this off tangent since atheists assume nothing. They simply do not believe certain assertions.

KingEbukasBlog:
God is eternal ( he has no beginning or end ) , God did not create himself , God is not complex . Its illogical to ask how someone who is eternal came to be .

Thanks for your response.

Please understand that am being very sincere here and not seeking argument for argument's sake. Your assertion that God is eternal seems more like a belief than a fact. Thus, we cannot really accept it in an intellectual conversation since i and everybody else, have beliefs ranging from the sensible to the ridiculous. However, we can judge your pattern of reasoning to decipher if its correct, and therefore, possibly leads to a correct conclusion.

So back to the question; if God is eternal and has no begining nor end; then your initial claim that nothing can come from nothing seems flawed. Since God has already come out from nothing already and his existence was caused by nothing. Or could it be you meant to say that everything has a beginning except God?

U guys are overlooking the main cause of the disruption: THE INTERNET.

Before now, it was super difficult to learn about islam as a christian. It was impossible to learn about bhudism, hinduism. It was impossible to read a wide array of free thinkers. If you were born in a Christian home, you believed that was all there is and before you realize its not; its too late to change ur mind.

Then comes the internet and places every conceivable piece of information in the hands of everyone including 15year olds.

The truth is; in a matter of decades, Nigeria should be split half and half between atheists and theists. This is sure to happen because while there are people who will remain religious even after learning every fact about religion, a great number of people who are currently religious will renouce their religion if they were exposed to certain pieces of information. The internet is bent on exposing those pieces of information...

KingEbukasBlog:
That something cannot come from absolute nothingness or cause itself to exist . Didn't you read the write-up ?

Is funny that the basis of your own belief is either of the aforementioned and that every orderly complex system began to exist due to random chaotic processes . Am I wrong?

Good thinking...but if nothing can come from absolute nothingness...how did God come about? if we can believe that a being as complex and intelligent as God could create himself; then we must admit that a thing as complex as earth could create itself; right?

well, its just off tangent to blame the failure of these projects on self-taught programmers. Reading up each project gives detailed causes, none of which mentions that. But seeing as the thread is derailing... i say touche!

Febup:
If regulated then they should have used Licensed Software Engineers.

Do you have proof that none of them were designed by non-cs graduates.

Yes i do. I knew that high level government projects like that couldnt be given to self-taught engineers, not with how right-winged governments like the UK are. Then I went researching into the projects and their leaders. You should have done that too before drawing that opinion of yours.

Then whats your explanation for failed medical/architectural/accounting projects? Self-taught people too?

You know Elon Musk is self-taught in aviation, right? And Steve Jobs (as a businessman)? And John Carmark (as the best thing that happened to gaming)? And paul allen? And steve Wozniak?

Or do you understand cs better than say...Steve Wozniak?

How the hell does one come up with an opinion like that?

asalimpo:
Architecture and medicine and engineering have their peculiarities:
For one, with medicine, there's no duplicate for life. You dont want a hobbyist or self taught brain surgeon working on you.
You dont want self taught /bootcamp engineers building bridges or aeroplanes.
The risk is too high and have to be mitigated by government intervention , hence the licensing and certs.
2) The body of knowledge is static.
The human body isnt changing everyday.
They're a finite amount of bones in the body.
Buildings are rigid fixed structures. concrete is concrete,
The basic way of house building is relatively static. Buildings are essentially, stacks on foundations with roofings. Period. Nothing more nothing less.

There's also no uniform way to build software! -
With software its differnt - It's pure logic!!
It's hands on.
YOu cant bluff your way thru with a piece of paper.
If you can't do it you cant do it.
No one can estimate the complexity involved for unfamiliar projects.
Something that looks simple could be very complex.
The complexity explodes!!
Look at internet ie browser. With all the resources of microsoft at its disposal,
they still can't fix their browser bcause browsers are so complex to write.
They just have to cobble up and use old code bases!!

Paradigms are always changing in the software field.
There's no over ruling body voting on paradigms. It's the developers influencing the rate of changes. Jquery didnt take the world because, the professor of some board thought it up with his credentials!! John resig did and published it to the web.
If government censors participants in the field,the rate of accelaration of changes and improvement in the field will dry up and the world will regress. Government censorship will kill innovation.

Everytime you open your mouth, bro; reason flows out like its cheap.


At OP, looking at the projects listed above, none of them were designed by non-cs graduates - which i imagine is quite regulated. So your opinion is flawed. And while you are chewing on that, also consider this article i found online http://www.cracked.com/article_19682_5-most-embarrassing-architectural-failures.html. It seems to me like architecture and other regulated industry projects fail heavily too. lol

talk2hb1:
I predicted all this in my post on linkedin https://www./future-nigeria-ict-habeeb-salami I wrote the post in 2014 (During my Service year) and did not post it on linkedin till 2016

https://www./future-nigeria-ict-habeeb-salami

Please like and share if you believe in it

Read ur post. It comes from a wider trajectory than this but the predictions were dangerously accurate

Baba... After u na u

Craigston:
You observe well, larisoft!
Another undesired effect is that it has caused some developers to relegate ethics to a place quite lower than it should be. I was approached to setup a ponzi site, but I couldn't take it. I don't regret it anytime.

The proliferation of ponzi schemes demonstrate the general disregard for privacy and online security in Nigeria. The guys that approached me had no decent plan to circumvent possible tracking by law enforcement. They would use their emails, bank account / debit card numbers, registered phone numbers, ... to run the scam.

What might be the most destructive to entrepreneurship in Nigeria is the tendency to equate ponzi administration to internet entrepreneurship: they're orthogonal to each other, and we need to correct that impression in order to move Nigeria's tech community forward.
Again, great observations, larisoft.

Thanks, brother. I totally concur.

Tanks for reading, Bro

ITS AWAKENED NIGERIANS TO THE POWER OF SOFTWARE
Just as MMM was gathering momentum, the demand for Nigerian developers skyrocketed. For the first time, people were paying money to an online platform other than betting sites for something that was not forced on them. Millions of girls/women suddenly realized that they could also get paid browsing, as opposed to just chatting online.

This awakening is a very desirable thing as it will definitely outlive the ponzi era, and participants of ponzi websites will be sure to translate their internet skills to more decent sites in the future.

MORE NIGERIANS ARE LEARNING PROGRAMMING THAN EVER
With so many people wanting to own their own ponzi sites, a lot of Nigerians, especially students, have taken the bull by the horns and turned themselves into programmers overnight. With ponzie scripts flying all over the place, the skillset required to deliver a finished ponzi site is minimal. All one has to do most times is intercept one of the source codes, and tug at the html a bit to change the UI.

We now know conclusively, which type of software works with the Nigerian software consumers.

WE NOW KNOW CONCLUSIVELY; WHAT TYPE OF SOFTWARE WORKS WITH NIGERIAN SOFTWARE CONSUMERS
Believe it or not, the Nigerian tech industry has witnessed a lot of potential Mark Zuckerbargs (social network entrepreneurs), Bill Gates (operating system entrepreneurs), e,t,c; they all did their best but their products never really resonated with the common man. But with sites like Nairabet,and now, the numerous ponzi sites, its clear what type of software sells in Nigeria: THAT SOFTWARE THAT PAYS USERS IN CASH

Obviously, Nigeria is a developing country and the numerous productivity apps that most developers have been pushing have just been out of touch with the real needs of the populace. With the advent of these software applications that pointedly address the main issue of the average Nigerian: Poverty; it is clear what kind of apps Nigerian developers should start paying attention to.

THERE ARE SO MANY DOMAINS/HOSTING SPACE TAKEN UP AND UNUSED

Ponzi sites usually do not last for more than a week. And so with all the sites getting launched; many by amateurs who do not realize that they could actually reuse the hosting services with new domains, we have a lot of hosting space paid for, but not being utilized. This is quite an interesting fact as most of these hosting packages are quite large. Ponzi sites usually take in a lot of traffic upon getting launched and thus; require large hosts.

The real waste though, lie in the domain names which will only be used once. This fact is even made worse by the fact that professional cyber squatters snatch domains as soon as they are free. If someone has used a domain name before, chances are that someone else will require it soon. This means that the domain will be out of reach to other potential website owners for atleast a year; and possibly forever (cyber squatters hold on to domains till they sell them at exorbitant prices).

In conclusion, in as much as the ponzi wind is a foul one, it has had very propitious effects on the Nigerian tech landscape and tech stakeholders will benefit from these effects for a long time.

Culled from Nigeria's No1 Programming Blog http://larisoftng..com/2017/03/the-effect-of-ponzi-era-on-nigerian.html

Do you have any sample apps/sites you have developed? It'll be interesting if you are really a good developer, and somehow has been managing that with your teaching job.

In answer to your question, Being a freelancer developer is definitely going to be more lucrative than being a teacher. You can expect to earn over 100k each month but you must be prepared to make the initial sacrifice of creating a brand for yourself, usually by seeking and accepting projects for low pay at first as well as marketing the hell out of your self.

Good luck, man.

I backup stuff on google drive and bitbucket a lot so my most important assets are
1. My eyes : if anything happens to them, game over.
2. My fingers : I touch-type, so if any of my fingers are hurt...well productivity will be greatly affectd
3. My laptop: every important thing am working is backed up online shaa thanks to github and co, but I have sentiments about a friend that has served me so faithfully for 2 years now.

When you do it inline, do you put it inside the <head> tag?

I think I failed to explain why I think OP is misguided.

From a techinical point of view: lets take just one of your ideas: making an os that can run all apps from other OSes.

This has been attempted severally by seasoned world class engineers from different perspectives and the result is what we see in apps like bluestacks, windows android, blackberry android, emulators, and even the java runtime environment: still the results are far from satisfactory. For you to really accomplish this, you must liase with the other Oses or they will keep making platforms that will render your efforts futile. Why on earth will blackberry, android, windows agree to help you make them obsolete?

if somehow, you beat this obstacle, your resulting operating system will still require so much ram to run that the cost of production will be outrageous.

If somehow, you beat this obstacle, there are likely less than 200 engineers in this country who can build these applications to the extent which they've been built. Talk more, improving on it And none of these 200 engineers will agree to work for you without you paying an arm and a leg. Why? Apart from all the companies harrassing them to come work at for them, even if a handful of them wanted to work on a startup, they usually have ideas of their own + money, or more focused startups in line to choose from.

And finally, who will be leading this project? As a software engineer, I've seen you have very little information on what you are talking about here apart from faith and dreams. No experienced software engineer who sees this will let you lead them even if you were using jazz and surmounted all the problems listed above.

Now, this is just one project. Multiply it by all the other things you mentioned ...tesla? google? microsoft?

Calm down bro. This is not something saving the date and waiting till 2021 will change. The people I suspect you are using as a reference point (Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, e.t.c) all had very simple logically attainable visions. Yours is nothing like it.

Ubuntu 16

willie7:
I suppose nobody's into algorithms here

No. We are here. Algorithm is a wide topic though. The only way to rub minds may be to exchange problems...probably on this board...

good job @op. but pls , only column a should be stored in ur database. b and c should be computed in ur business logic.

think about this...what happens when u need to change the date of employment? in ur current db design u ll have to also change the other columns.

keep coding bro.

alexisSr:
I won't paint it, this is just a lack of focus coupled with too much time spent watching movies.

u have an idea for an os, search engine, email, at the same time and ur looking for Nigerian programmers who are very good, but just happen to be unoccupied at the moment to help u implement these ideas?

go and get a job, bro. there's a difference between having a vision and being high. there's no iota of vision in what ur saying here.

u just said my mind. ppl just open their mouth and utter trash and rather than help them receive sense on time, u see ppl encouraging them so they won't look negative. @op, in ur mind now, we are the negative minded ppl saying ur awesome plans ll not succeed. Don't worry, u ll understand soon.

I said it! Things are getting better. Notice how this job is simply looking for a. Net developer as opposed to the former "java, PHP, c#" developer we are used to seeing here?

there'll probably be no better time to learn programming in Nigeria than now.

DROP TABLE students

Please take your time to learn this thing properly and also learn how to use google to resolve simpler coding problems.
Keep coding bro.

to go to your parent folder type

cd ..

to go into a folder

cd folder_name

you can use this info to navigate to any folder of your choice

FincoApps:
I totally forgot o.... Hope it's not too late to send my profile

Even fincoApps? omo, boys chances don dey slim down ooo

awesome app! awesome idea!

first get the data from the database and pass it to the home view.
to keep it simple, I didnt use models

In your home controller, create or edit the index function to look like so

function index(){

//get 10 music info
$this->db->limit(0, 10);
$music = $this->db->get("music_info" )->result_array(); //music info is name of table

//get 10 video info
$this->db->limit(10, 0);
$vids = $this->db->get("video_info" )->result_array(); //video info is name of table

//get 10
$this->db->limit(10, 0);
$posts = $this->db->get("posts" )->result_array(); //posts is name of table


$data['music'] = $music;
$data['videos'] = $vids;
$data['posts'] = $posts;

$this->load->view("index", $data);

}


Now in your views, create index.php and in it you can output music like this

<h1> Music Tracks </h1>
<ol>
<?php foreach($music as $m){ ?>

<li> <?php echo $m['title'];?> <!--Note that title is the name of a column in the music_info table --> </li>

<?php}?>
</ol>


Do same for videos and posts on the same index page. Just place each in the section of the html you will want it to appear.


let me know if you meet any errors. Just wrote this here and didnt test it.

idu1:
You are a great man.

thanks, bro