₦airaland Forum

Roland17:
Your first paragraph reiterates why I say Japa can not solve any nation's problem, because Nigeria's issues are more complex than an individual desire to Japa. The conversation of Japa is not new, it has been going on and will continue, it only becomes heightened when things like what happened in Owo happen again.

You must also concede that the realities of Nigeria over the last decade, worsestill now, makes the conversation about Japa inevitable because it has become dire and there seems to be no way out, especially for young people who are watching their prime years slip by. You have to understand that a lot of people are coming from a place of frustration as they watch the country continue to slip even further with no reprieve in sight.

When I started my conversation regarding this Japa, I made it clear that Japa is not for everyone but for those who meet certain criteria, including the mental aspect, it will be in their best interest and that of their future generations to consider Japa, especially young people. Nigeria has some of the brightest minds in the world but they are being held back in Nigeria.

Yes, I remember that conversation. A strong database is the bedrock of any modern society and until we get that done there is no way Nigeria can sustainably secure the nation and it's economy. Without a strong database, the idea of community policing is just a waste of time and resources which will get us no where. In the mean time, what can be done? In the mean time where can Nigerians run to for reprieve? nowhere, absolutely no where. Right now, the country is not even being governed because of the elections. Everyone is in Abuja and nothing is getting done.

Well we seems to agree on most of each other points.

We already have the database, we just need to harmonize it into a centralized base for easy access for law enforcement agencies. This is Doable.

Where the issue lay is how to structure the community policing and how to go about the funding. After that we need to start talking about recruitment into the police force. The force is grossly understaffed, to effectively police this country, we need a minimum of 1m police officers. We currently have 370k police officers. Please how exactly do 370k officers want to police a country of over 200m people? These are the issues.

izzou:
[color=royalblue] Nope.

The last one was that it was Marlians.

No investigations concluded yet. Maybe it's your people, maybe it's even Nigerians.

Yet, e say na imported terrorists[/color]

He’s an unserious clown.

nihilistjnr:
Yes he said the guys that did it came from Mali.

They must be insider Malians then, as they had a indepth knowledge of the local terrain near the obas palace

Akeredolu is not serious.

This is why most of these insecurities persist. Attack that happened less than 10 hours ago that they haven’t captured any of the criminals but Akeredolu already concluded they are foreigners.

Na wa.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]In real life, when your neighbor's house is burning, you would be restless to see how you can stop the fire

It's not so in Nigeria.

The insecurity has finally entered the SW.

Instead of pursuing investigations and revealing the true face behind it, Na Marlians him dey talk

Na small small e dey start.

To anybody concerned, Leave this country. I have delayed that decision enough, but I think I'm ready[/color]

Akeredolu has given another press release?

raumdeuter:
An average American with the shooting will consider other positive in the country what are the compensating positive a Nigerian can think of to endure the insecurity

This is a solid point but my argument has never been about enduring the insecurity but about how we can find solution to the insecurity.

That’s why I said Japa is not the “SOLUTION” for the country though I do agree that it can be the solution for some people.

donstan18:
I don’t think it’s disheartening to spill the bitter truth, given the fact that most politicians claims to give a fvck like you, about the welfare of the nation but won’t stop failing woefully.

You have no agenda against anybody here? Fine and agreed. Now let’s talk abt the selfish interest that engineered your first comment on Nihilistjnr.

The question is, if given two options..

1. Find the Owo killers and prosecute them with assurance that Tinubu won’t get the presidential ticket.

2. Forget about the Owo incident while Tinubu wins Nigeria presidential election.

Which would you choose respectfully??

This makes no sense.

Finding the killers of the Owo incident and Tinubu winning Presidential election are not mutually exclusive.

Infact not finding the killers of the incident will likely dent the chances of the party in the general election.

You think oppositions won’t use the insecurity in the land to campaign against the APC? (rightly so)

I want the criminals terrorizing the country to be caught and dealt with and Tinubu still remain my preferred candidate.

popizaino:
Neither is one Nigeria the solution so profess another solution to this mess we find ourselves in.

If you believe any politician from any part of this country will dissolve it, you are joking sir.

Nezzjnr:
It has gotten so bad that Party delegates determines who will run the Country and not the citizens

Lol. As if party delegates started picking their party presidential aspirants this year.

If you don’t like the candidate of a particular party, vote for another one.

Roland17:
Baba, I think you are misconstruing the idea of japa to mean the solution to Nigeria's current problems. Let me assure you that many Nigerians in diaspora are as patriotic as they come. You are right, Japa can not solve Nigeria's problem and it shouldn't because it is more complex than that, however, discouraging people who feel differently about staying in Nigeria is not right because it is an individual decision that is personal based on personal circumstances. The idea of Japaing from Nigeria has never been because Naija was good enough for many, if anything it is the search for greener pastures for many, especially those from humble backgrounds.

As for resolving the spate of insecurity in Nigeria, while I like the community policing idea, especially if the officers are recruited from their local communities, I want you to know executing it effectively is even more complex and if not properly managed will cause more problems for a developing nation like Nigeria. I don't know how I feel about handing over the administration and control of the Police Force to overzealous Nigerian politicians who occupy governorship positions or other local positions when you consider our laws are not even strong enough to resist the potentials for abuse.

The last time I checked NIN was supposed to resolve some of these killings and help the police in tracking these elements, how has that gone thus far? It is now used mostly for business purposes and barely has any influence in resolving these killings that are occurring in droves across Nigeria. I have said this before, the first step to pushing Nigeria forward is to have a strong database of Nigerians, without it, we are pushing square pegs in round holes.

Before I continue, I never discouraged anyone from Japaing. It’s impossible to do so sef. I only expressed that whenever tragedy happens, shouting japa japa is insensitive to a lot of people. A lot of people want to japa but they don’t have the financial resources to japa, a lot don’t even think about japa at all. Almost 50% of people in the country stays in the rural community and they are always 80% of the time the victim of these criminal attacks. How many of these people in the rural areas have the means to Japa? That’s why I said Japa is not the solution, it doesn’t mean people should not JAPA.

You raised an important point which ib.ime raised when we had this discussion. That’s why I said an “Effective” community policing will solve most of these insecurities because all the security architecture will be local. We can still have an agency will FBI which will be controlled by the Federal government but the security must be decentralizing to each community. While it is true that Governors might abuse this powers, it’s still safer than having alot of ungoverned space which criminals thrive in.

If you remembered we had a discussion about this database matter, I do agree with you that we need to have a centralized database instead of different agency collecting data without harmonizing it.

While the country problems are homogeneous, it can be tackled and solved one after the other.

Ellexy:
What Larride said is the truth. "Japa is not the solution to Nigeria's problems and can never be".

Nobody on this thread is against japa, but izzit the solution to this terrorism, corruption etc we are facing in this country?

The leaders have failed yes, the system is against the average young man yes, but if Nigeria will get it right, how is japa the solution?

It’s almost like whenever they see my post, their thinking process just hibernate.

Goodluck with 200m people japaing.

donstan18:
Nobody sincerely gives a fvck about the solution to Nigeria because there’s none.

Both of us knows this.

While I’ve respected and keep respecting your civil and reasonable way of engaging debates, but you’ll be telling yourselves lots of lies if you say your first quote on Nihilistjnr wasn’t engineered with little sprinkles of political views and selfishness.

No condemnation of what happened, no remorse, just direct USA comparison and usual “insider” cappings from politicians.

How so?

Me mentioning US is to bring attention to the fact that a country with a huge population having insecurity issues should be looking for solutions to solve these issues and not shout of Japa. It’s clear in my post.

I have no agenda against anybody here and I drop my opinion based on my belief, it’s not my fault if most of the people on this board wear rose tinted glasses and can’t see beyond politics during any discussions.

For a thread that claims to have a lot of intellectuals, it’s disheartening.

A40:
Failure is indeed an orphan. You're quick to defend any APC achievement here and inundate us with nonsense.

Now that we highlight their glaring failure you deny them like an illegitimate child. We all know about Community policing Captain Obvious. Why then are your principals not implementing it. Why can they not catch anybody? Why do we have your leaders speaking to the masses like they are powerless citizens and not the ones entrusted with securing life and property

This is what you should be explaining not this drivel you wrote here

Even on this same board, while I was advocating for community policing, ib.ime for example was against it as in his words, putting the police is the hands of Governors might even be disastrous.

There has been debate and ongoing debate in the National Assembly concerning this particular issue.

My party has dropped the ball on security and it’s only normal they are held accountable. There’s another election coming next year, you have a choice to vote them out and vote another candidates/party in. That’s how political process works.

It still doesn’t change the fact that Japa can never be the solution for a country with the kind of population we have.

ToyinDipo:
There is tendency for more crimes to happen in a society where criminals are rarely apprehended.

Bro I want to ask you a sincere question, do you present your Nairaland posts as report card to your senior party members.

If you have challenges reading, I can’t help you.

A40:
Your party is in charge in the state the attack happened, is in charge in Kaduna, in charge in Federal. In charge in Senate. If these bills are not passed whose fault?

We have been debating over 7 years. Debate no dey finish?

Allow people attacking your party to do so. You are affiliated with them so it's part of collateral damage

What is the difference between people shouting japa. And you advocating for the community policing that will never be implemented. What makes your argument superior to theirs?

I never stop anyone from attacking the party or even the President. It’s their right to rightly criticize those that handle the affairs of the country.

What makes my argument superior to theirs is that, 200m people cannot japa but a form of community policing can happen.

Again I’ll say it, anyone that want to japa or have the resources to japa should do everything within them to JAPA but Japa is not the solution for a country of 200m.

Roland17:
Don't make it read like Japa talk just start today. Japa has been an ongoing conversation and will remain and ongoing conversation in Naija, especially amongst Nigerian youth. This is not a new conversation or gist in Nigeria. Nigerians have been "Japaing" for decades.

If anything, today's killings only buttressed the argument for Japa for those who want to or are considering it because of their respective situations. Everyday, look around you and you will see enough reasons for young people to continue the japa conversation.

What kind of closure if any will the killing of the 50 in Owo bring when their killers can not be arrested or the Police held accountable for any of the killings and spate of insecurity?

Yes. Migration is not a new phenomenon. People will always seek greener pastures everywhere they can find it and like I said before, I am not against anyone japaing if they want to japa.

My stance is simple, as a country of over 200m people, Japa cannot be the solution because not everyone can japa, so the question remains, how do we take care and protect that haven’t japa or don’t even have the means to japa? That’s why I mentioned effective community policing. It’s in my first post to nihilist but someone everyone missed it.

The police in Owo is grossly inadequate and understaffed. The whole security architecture needs a complete overhaul to combat the new realities we are currently facing.

No one is happy with the constant killings and insecurities and for the sake of those that can’t japa, A solution must be found. It’s simple.

donstan18:
The reason I’m not against Larride is because I’ll be selfish too with my opinion if i was a very active deep party man.

If you want to JAPA, I’ll tell you to relax that Tinubu is here for you, that he’s the solution and will create a secured and conducive environment for you, I’ll even tell you that he’ll turn Nigerian to America or UK in less than 7 days.

What need to be said must be said to keep the political ministry and interest going. This is why I’ll never risk my life to vote for a Nigerian politician.

Japa is the way!!!!

But that is the THING.

Since this discussion started, I have not mentioned any politician or a political party. I only expressed my opinion about how japa cannot be the solution for the whole country with the kind population we have.

I did not ask anyone to vote for any candidate or any political party.

A40:
Killings did not start today and will never stop. So I don't understand this your jejune question
Your nonsense whataboutism is always the problem here. There will always be crime till the world ceases to exist. We know this

What separates the cesspit Nigeria has become to other countries is that you at least know for sure the killers will be caught

Where have you seen criminals ever get apprehended in Nigeria? You had bandits attack a train. Federal Government property in Kaduna. Kill people, kidnap people And the government did not catch anybody. Could not apprehend anybody. Southern Kaduna nko? Middle belt nko

And you're here talmbout Japa is not a solution. No shit Sherlock. What is now the solution. What solution have you proposed here besides dropping megedefegede party man arguments

Please stop this nonsense.

In the first post to nihilist that I responded to, I clearly highlighted that community policing will be the game changer to our security issue.

We have a police force that’s understaff and stretched out, Infact the army is at the moment overstretched because they are doing the work of the police. Decentralize the police and let each community police themselves.

I have had this discussion before with ib.ime on this thread and my stance is clear. I do not do whataboutsim.

Infact I don’t even talk about APC like that or this thread but any small discussion whenever you guys see my moniker you just hibernate your thought process and start inferring what is not in my post.

You guys should stop that nonsense.

A40:
What solution is your party providing to stop this carnage. Stop telling people japa is not a solution while endless carnage and killing keep occurring in your party's watch and they are showing zero competence to come up with solutions.

Telling people to Japa is better than what your party is currently doing. They're arguably the reason more Nigerians cannot japa

You can't beat a baby and tell it how to cry

During the EndSars, I had an argument with Ib.ime about community policing and that is what my stand will always be. We have a lot of ungoverned space which criminals take advantage of to carry out their activities.

There has been debate and bills to decentralize policing in the country which has always met obstacles but it is something we must continue to advocate for. That is the only way we can effectively combat the numerous insecurity issues we have. COMMUNITY POLICING.

I have nothing against that people that want to Japa if they have the means and resources to do so but I still stand on my initial post that Japa can never be the solution for a country of more then 200m people because 10% of the citizens can’t Japa. It’s the honest truth.

I don’t know how party talk comes into the discussion when it’s not even as if we are talking about a party or an individual.

And bringing party talks into any conversation or argument that I hold here changes nothing when my post was clearly not even political in the first place.

Most of you can’t even hold a discussion without throwing tantrums like someone who they collected his biscuits.

All of you are sick in the head. Rubbish.

Unlimited22:
Larride, I'm really sorry for this, especially as I imagine you're older than I am, but you are mad.

As in, ara n'agba gị.

You, your family and generation are mad.

What is this nonsense?

A40:
Which kin talk be this?

The difference between shootings in that country and Nigeria is that at least the perps always get caught. Can you bet any money that these killers are brought to book?

Not everytime play company man. Sometimes allow people vent and express their frustrations how they deem fit

So killings are okay as long as the criminals are caught.

I did not stop anyone from venting or expressing their frustration, I am not the cause of you not being able to properly interprete a simple statement that has no political undertone.

nihilistjnr:
Spoken like a true party man.

You are the one that used Yankee as an example of a land of mass shootings.

But at least we can point to the criminals that did it cos they were caught or killed.

You are here now, speculating that the hit on a church was an inside job. So was it the Bishop that carried AK47? Or was it the Ushers that were toting shotgun? Cos which one be inside job


This is the reason we say people should japa, because party people like yourself are unwilling or unable to say the truth, or do the right thing. Your principal is a fraud, a thief and a drug baron who has stolen generations worth of resources for himself and his family, and there is absolutely nothing anybody can do about it.

The reason why japa is always a solution is because you people literally own Nigeria now. Anf there is no salvation coming from anywhere.

Not everybody can japa, but if you lost anyone in a church shooting, and you don't want the larrides of this world to tell you it was the choirmaster that did it, please please please at least look for a way out.

I am sure you are intelligent enough to know what I mean by “insider job”.

If you think “insider job” means it’s part of the congregation that carried out the attack then maybe you need to go pick up a dictionary of what that term means.

The church was deep at the center of the town very close to the King’s palace, for criminals to move to that location and leave swiftly means the tragedy was carried out by those that knows the terrain of the town very well.

I don’t know why most of you guys suddenly hibernate your thinking process whenever you want to have an argument or push an agenda.

When the dust settles and more information is revealed or the criminals are caught, everything will become clearer.

Meanwhile what I said up there remain true, japa can never be a solution for a country with a population of 200m. To fight insecurity, we need effective community policing.

nihilistjnr:
Did they catch all thr shooters or not?

Today we saw mass shooting in Broad daylight and the shooters disappeared.

This is why we dey shout japa. Imagine killing 90+ people before 2pm, and nobody apprehended even one of you.

Larride stop am abeg.

I’m not stopping anything. It is insensitive of you guys to keep shouting japa japa as if you are reading to give them the financial resources to japa.

Anyone that has any idea of Owo and where the church was located will know it’s most likely insiders that carried out the attack. Owo has one of the lowest number of police in the state with little or no DSS/Army presence. Those other security agencies only come to area when the Governor is around.

Now how many people will japa save in that town? Most probably less than 10% that’s even if they have the resources to japa but effective community policing will stop most of these attacks from criminals/terrorist.

You are well within your right to not give a fûck about the country but please stop this japa japa japa talk everytime a tragedy occurs. The highest number of people that japa annually from the country no even reach 50k out of a population of 200m.

Japa is not a solution.

Japa will never be a solution for a country with a population of 200m people. Anyone that has the means and resources to japa if they want but what’s the % of people in the country that can JAPA. It’s insensitive and you guys need to stop IT.

Every time a tragedy happens, the next thing we hear is japa, japa, japa as if 5% of the population have the financial means to japa.

This week alone, the US has recorded more than 3 masa shootings. They just had 1 overnight sef. Maybe their citizens should be shouting japa japa japa also.

Amoto94:
So sad that human lives are no longer sacred around this part.

All over the world, criminals don’t care about human lives.

It’s disheartening what humanity has degenerated to.

afrodoc2:
We know say you be don dada. Nobody fit follow you drag. Wetin me wan know be say how the caucus meeting go? Hope rising?

Except something drastic happens that change the Governors hearts on their preferred candidates, JAGABAN will get the ticket in a landslide win.

21 mentions.

Na wetin I buy for una hand?

I said it here that whatever Buhari wants to do, it’s the Governors that can help him achieve it. Most times the way we analyze politics on this thread just make me laugh.

Governors/Godfathers can impose candidates in their states because they control their party structures in their respective states but the President needs to convince the Governors to support him in whatever choice he wants to make.

I have said it before, only a naive politician will think Buhari won’t have a preferred candidate, the koko is how he will make that candidate emerge.

Roland17:
Tinubu is putting a ton of pressure on the Yoruba leaders to force Osibanjo to step down. The SW Presidential aspirants are having a meeting with Yoruba leaders and this may just pave the way for Tinubu, except Osibanjo refuses and chooses to push this thing to next week.

Nobody is stepping down for anybody except those Amosun n co.

Make campaign start first sha. We go piece all the lies una candidate dey push every now and then.

Meanwhile anybody that wants to bet, Peter Obi won’t get up to 3m votes in the general election. I’m willingly to stake 100k on it.

That’s if he even contest the election proper sef.

Presidential candidate wey no even sabi anything as it relates to the economy.

As at 2018 during that debate, car ownership in Nigeria is 35.3 million but baba say na 2 million.

All you need to do is to fact check all the “numbers” the lieing fraud use to quote and the fraud will be exposed for who he is.

But then, who among his deluded supporters can actually fact check anything.

izzou:
[color=royalblue]When the deal is done, we will know who's mad between the two of us

You go tell me whether na your money we wan take pay am

Rubbish, stingy boy [/color]

If na your club, you go support that kind transfer?

afrodoc2:
Point of correction. Amad and Pellistri had unsuccessful loans. Amad in particular struggled a lot……..in the Scottish league.

I think some of you guys here overestimate the ability of that boy.

Oasis deserve cane abeg.

You spend the whole season complaining about these useless players only to start saying they are not that bad.

No wonder we are were we are currently. Like fans like board members.