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chrisley024:
I'm actually trying to remember the games we've dominated recently,

I can't find any either. good luck.

Leyqute:
na wah 4 u o

You asked for matches in which we weren't dominant or were reactive and I mentioned a few. I could've listed more but those were the ones that came to mind.

The first game against Liverpool we weren't dominant. At the end of the match most of us felt as if we lost 2 points instead of gaining 1.

The City games we were reactive. Good thing it ended well in the second leg. Same for the Crystal Palace game. Burnley too?

See, I'm simply stating my observations. I don't know where you got this vision where I said the team doesn't want to win.

I'm not ready to be arguing with you over this issue. You've stated your position in an earlier post and I have my own opinion about things too.

Sorry bro. I agree with you. we are a reactive team.

funlord:
Would be glad to be a Bench master who can change things from the sidelines? Supremely talented and would be a Big character in the dressing room? Still a quality player that is doing things in la Liga even at his age? Is ronaldo not 33/34 like him? Experienced to death? Complete professional? Would most definitely please our most important guy that plays in goal?

Well....wetin I dey see na things na wetin others no dey ever see on time! How much would his wages be? Are with not united? Wetin be wages for this sort of chap? I don talk my own....

Forget whatever He might or might not offer us coming from the bench or not, even the board will not want to be seen as running a retirement home. Iniesta is past it, let him go collect him pension in China.

We don't need him.

Leyqute:
I'm only stating my observations bro. I know it's possible for a team to dominate and win a high percentage of their games.

The thing is Mou "dominates" without the ball and LvG "defends" with the ball.

How do you dominate without the ball? How is that possible??

patrickmuf:
Till then...However, with the investment in our squad, we should be doing better and challenging our contemporaries for the UCL.

It depends on how you want to look at it, we could have done so much more this season but due to inconsistency from the manager down to the players, we are where we are right now but that being said, there's no touching City this season, they are well above everyone, for all Klopp exciting football and what not, they are 21pts behind City while playing a game more. Put that into perspective and you will see that this season is all on City, they were far better than everyone, as at today, we are the second best team in the league, not Klopp Liverpool.

We have been poor in the CL for quite some time, we will get there hopefully. I have hope in the manager to take us to the level we all desire which is the top, If we are willing to give other coach time, then we have to give Mou also.

Leyqute:
Liverpool first leg, both City matches, recent Crystal Palace game?

Mourinho's idea of dominating games seems different from many people's. Dominating games to him means playing without the ball, it seems.

I've seen him say, at post-matxh interviews, that we were in control of a game when we played for significant intervals in that game without the ball.

That's 4 games out of more than 40 matches, what about the other matches? You are not going to add Southampton, Newcastle, West Brom, Burnley, Huddersfield, Leicester, Stoke?

You watch all our match this season and you could say it with a straight face that we are a reactive team? We don't set out to win, we just go look and applaude other teams as they play until we go a game down.

Take a sit gentlemen. Our in house wailer is here to entertain us.
This is going to be interesting.

funlord:
Left for me why not just sign this iniesta on a free for one season and let pogba have someone on his level to mentor him mentally? Let lingard, martial rashford and gomez etc have an experienced and hi octane soccer leader to train with and learn from? At least let jose have a chief in the dressing room that can inject some la masia attacking principles and professionalism into some of our brats in that forward line? He would also be a great bench option whether in the league or UCL!

Wetin dey china wey dey call am if not tekwe?

Let Iniesta go to his China jejely biko, he's now too slow to even have much impact anymore. We are not some retirement home. Let his go collect him pension for China.

chrisley024:
No one says it must be ghen ghen style but at least dominate games instead of being reactive.
Maybe you tell us the one way you want us to play.

We have played more than 40 matches this season, can you list the matches we were simply being reactive and not dominant

engrelvis:
my bro we nt quarreling.we r on d same team . listen v never been a fan of pep but we v to agree dey r playing gud football for now.yes Liverpool v always been threat but now dey r of a bigger threat.man utd is a big club (thanks to Ferguson) so we expect more bigger things from dem.yes dey v improve since d wahala of moyes n LVG but mou is suppose to b a first class coach coaching a first class team so we expect more from him n nt dis inconsistencies.man utd v cough out good money for supposedly quality players but is nt reflectin in our quality of play.luk at our match against sevilla.a team might lose a match but after watching their quality of play u will nt b too disappointed.somethin is wrong with our team.d earlier we fix it d better.instead of trying to console ourselves with recent trophies we v won.sir Alex lost matches during his days but because of their quality we were nt afraid because dey will surely bounce back.i cannt say dat for dis present team .we don't even v a strong first eleven team because mou is always experimenting or maybe he did nt like d way dey played.therefore dey Shud nt play d next match

Of course, something need to be fixed in this team and I trust Mou to fix things with what I have seen so far whether you agree or not is another thing entirely and that's where we will disagree to agree.

chrisley024:
At the bold, are you saying we can't have both?

Of course we can have both. Exciting football is not all about ghen ghen pressing. I hope you know that. There is no one way to play football.

patrickmuf:
Before the season kicked off, I am sure you must have read several pundits drop their predictions, a lot of folks favored Man City, us and Chelsea, no body gave Liverpool a chance thus finishing third isn't a failure as you might want to suggest. Another pointer to the praises Klopp and Liverpool are getting is their progress in the UCL where we were dumped out by a relatively weak Sevilla team. If they go ahead and win the UCL, then Klopp has definitely overachieved...

The point here is 'IF'... Without winning the CL, this season is just like one of those season for Liverpool, all puff puff and nothing to show for it. If Liverpool finishing third isn't failure, then why should Mou finishing second been seen as a failure. You guys are forgetting that City had an unbelievable season, they did everything right this season and are well deserved champions.

Even under the great SAF, we failed to qualify from a group that has opponent that are weaker than Sevilla. Let Liverpool win the CL first and we can talk about that.

As Roma dump out Barcelona.

patrickmuf:
The truth is even if Liverpool don't win the UCL and finish at 3rd position on the log, they'd have overachieved as no one gave them a chance at the start of the season. Talking about average players, apart from Van Dijk who I rank on the same level as Bailly, they don't have a better defence than us.
In midfield, we have the better players as well as attack where I believe Sanchez isn't inferior to Salah and Lukaku is just as good as Firmino. Elsewhere, Martial is better than Sane. On the bench, we still have Rashford, Mata and Lingard who are much better than anything Liverpool have to offer.
The difference is in the system employed both coaches. There's no way we could have attacked City like Liverpool did in the UCL, we'd have approached the game conservatively. As much as we would love the improve our squad quality, the players Klopp at the disposal of Klopp and how well they've have performed raises big question mark on this our excuse hinged on player quality...

I don't understand what you are trying to say here bro, no one is claiming our matches has been el do rado but if the league ends today, we both will end trophyless and the league table will show that we finish higher than they are with 3 point while playing 1 game less.

What exactly is Klopp employed to do at Liverpool, is it to come do ghen ghen every season without any end product (trophies). This season is his third season and he hasn't won a single cup while you guys want to crucify someone that has won 2 trophy for us in 2 years. You guys are making it seems as if Klopp just came to England today. Football is not mathematics and I expect you to know that. We collected 4pts from this same Liverpool, why hasn't the system been able to do any real damage against us. Not every manager will use the same tactics or system.

I'm sure you do understand that.

engrelvis:
my brother I don't totally agree with u .city n Liverpool r gathering momentum every year.forget whether trophies were won or nt .jusr watch their confidence n pattern of play .dey r improving everyday .city clicked dis year.it might b Liverpool turn next season.for we( man utd) we will take one step forward today n 3 steps backward tomorrow.city n Liverpool r known for attacking style of football right from blast of whistle till d end.one on one their midfielders r nt better dan our own.liverpool might nt win anything dis season but deep down we know dey r going to b a threat next season.when d current of Celtic was coaching Liverpool,d team was just there even tough dey were churning out points but right now d footballing world is paying attention to city n Liverpool . mourino doesn't know what he wants .

Read what you typed here, this time slowly and see if you made sense or not. You mean Klopp has been gathering momentum for the past 3 season, Pep has done absolutely well this season but let's not forget quickly that he went trophyless last season. The truth is that we are not where we used to be neither are we where we want to be, if you can't see any improvement, then you need to go get a customised sun glass whenever we have match. Liverpool will always be a threat every season, what they win at the end of the season is what will be remembered.

Liverpool might 'click' next season but Utd will not click because some analyst on NL can already see the future.

We were here last season when everyone of you hailing Pep now labelled him a fraud.

Yeye

odizeey:
na you dey suffer from taste.
Sanchez to replace martial. Young he met is replacing shaw. Or is matic d future. I wonder how someone can be in love with mou style of mgt. Are joking?

Sorry for quoting you in the first place, obviously you are not very bright.

Continue with your garbage Pls.

eph12:
I agree with you that the players are equally responsible to the way we play as they have shown that they can be better in some key games or when in tight corners.

However there's no manager that will pick that Liverpool team ahead of United in terms of quality preseason or during the early weeks of the season. We're talking about Lovren Karius Roberson and Arnold in that backline. How are they better than the ones we have? Is Henderson really better than Matic? Is Milner better than Pogba? Is Ox better than Herrera? The players are just lazy jare and the coach is relaxed. The team plays like they don't understand themselves most times.

They need to entertain more, can't be spending all that money and the fans can't be sure of winning Hull City

Of course, look at my post here, most people could say I'm a fan of Mou but going through my post, you could see a pattern that I always criticize Mou whenever he Bleep up, what I'm against is really blaming Mou for some of the attitudes of our players, imagine someone blaming Mou for how terrible our players are at passing the ball and stuffs like that. Both Mou and the players are responsible for how our season pans out, that's what I have always maintained here.

Early in the season, ain't we blowing things apart until Pogba got injured and Mhiki revered back to his ghost mode. Just look at some matches we either draw or lose this season and you could see for yourself. I don't believe Liverpool midfield is better than ours but they are definitely more hardworking than our players, no showboating, not holding on to the ball for far too long, no fancy tricks, they are hardworkers and give everything to the team. Do you remember how many times you yourself have cursed both Pogba and Herrera this season?? Matic has been our best midfield this season. People say Mou is the one limiting Pogba but where else will Mou play him, he has play 8, 4,10, in a three man midfield and two man midfield, yet the inconsistency continues, it's our childish players.

Why do you think Lingard is seeing more game time than both Rashford and Martial now, apart from Sanchez arrival, Lingard puts more work to help the team and scores also, you will see him track back, collect the ball and still move his limited technicality notwithstanding. Why can't Martial evolve his game, a player must be able to raise up to the challenge and come out firing. I believe Martial should be able to play across the front line instead of just the left wing along, he needs to stop sulking and whining and start developing himself.

Mou has his work cut out for him and I don't envy him really and if things do not change next season, I won't be surprised if the board let him go but frankly speaking, it's easier to sack the manager than try to change the entire team.

eph12:
What our team just need to work on is the attitude towards games. It's just too poor. The match starts from kick off and no slowing down till final whistle. We have the team to cause havoc.

Attitude bro, attitude... Our players are damn lazy and some of them are sulkers, they sulk at every little thing and whine about. it's annoying.

odizeey:
from all you have said, your thinking is all about short term. People are setting their team up for d future you are here satisfied with mou style. You no even get taste. Your babe go fine so?

Pls don't quote me if you cant read properly. I won't be responsible to cure whatever you re suffering from.

List out the players Mou has bought and how he's not planning for the future.

patrickmuf:
The if is because with an inferior squad to us, Liverpool are matching us and to some extent outdoing us.
If Klopp is achieving so much with the current players at his disposal, one begins to wonder how good Liverpool will be with more investment, let's not forget that only Van Dijk has improved their overall defensive game.
On the other hand, we have a much better and larger squad but we are not showing enough as a team to justify the talents in our ranks, talking about the summer window, players might opt for our competitors because they offer a better brand of attacking football and I can guarantee that most players will opt for clubs that are more attacking in their approach.
If Liverpool wins the UCL playing the breakdown and of football they're playing, players will most likely warm up to the idea of joining them rather than us, that's why Hazard opted for Chelsea rather than us...

Is it about having Large squad or what?? I think quality trumps just making up the numbers, do you see how much work those Liverpool players put into their match, do you notice how many running about they do, even Mane and Firminho helps out from the back and starts their counter, I think only Salah doesn't have much to do with tracking back, Liverpool game is based on swift counter attack and high pressing. Do you notice how lazy our players are? Let the coach try to ask the players to do this or not, we the same fans are the one that will blame the coach for trying to make the players do things they are supposed to do. We all complain of SMALLING, Jones, even Lindelof and Valencia and you expect Mou to go gung ho in every match.

Forget the IF this, if that because I could also say if Mou wins the FA cup and Liverpool do not win the UCL, then Klopp is a total failure. In the league with Klopp fantastic football, they are still behind Mou with 3 points having play 1 game more.

This season failures and success is down to both our players and Mou. Trying to pin how our season pans out on Mou alone is comical. we have some of the average and lazy players in the top 6.

Godwindanielboy:
one of the key difference between mou, pep and klopp is salah, de bruyne, sane, alexander arnold. Look at the man management of the four of them. Salah and de bruyne were written off by mou. Was sane better than martial before mou arrived at utd. I have not even heard his name but now pep has transformed him. Look at shaw and pogba, mou can not bring the best out of them. Shaw has a bad game then mou destoys him in the press. But look at alexander arnold having his worst game against man utd in wich rashford destroyed him but klopp stick to him and he is flourishing. Man utd has all the necessary talents in their squad to win EPL but the problem is mou, his past, stubborness, ego, impatient. He is a good coach but an average manager. Mou is still living in the past while pep, allegri, zidane and klopp are playing wondeful football. Mou brings trophy, yes but he needs to play attacking and fascinating football, develop martial give him 5 games to prove himself, play pogba in his favourites position. I think martial should leave man utd. He needs to develop, he should look at salah, debruyne, lukaku and move to a better club like Juventus where he will destroy their defence at serie a, then come back to a team like chelsea to hurt mou. I am a utd fan but don't like the way we play no true utd fan loves it. Mou needs to forget the past and live in the present. Mr. Heritage, i pity for you when you don't get us epl next season.

All rant I must say.

pick a struggle and stick with it bro, which one do you want, play exciting football (as if all our matches under Mou has been less inspiring) or win a trophy. stick with one abeg.

He has all the talent to win the EPL, why didn't the past manager before him win the EPL, anyone could have thought we were winning the league back to back before Mou came. This is Klopp 3rd season in the EPL with nothing to show for it, Poch nko? The league is on lock down for Juventus, what exactly is Allegri doing?? Yes Zidane has done exponentially well but how many point is Barcelona using to top them in the league?

You don't know Sane before but you knew Martial before Man Utd bought him. Where exactly is Pogba best position? Martial should leave Man Utd for juventus so he can come back to hurt man Utd and you call yourself a man Utd fan.....

Get out of here...

patrickmuf:
With Keita coming in, it's going to be crazy...
If Klopp manages to improve the Liverpool defence and midfield as well as add one more top quality attacker, we might find ourselve behind in the running for the title...
Let's not also forget Chelsea who with a new coach might bounce back...
Mou needs to up his game cos if we fail to win the league or UCL next season, he will have to be sacrificed...

LOL..

If this, if that because Mou and the board will just sit and let others upgrade their team without doing anything. Lmao.

Unlimited22:
CR7 is ultra special.
I'm not saying he's a talent killer. Far from it. I'm just pointing out that his style tends to limit players form expressing the full extent of their creativity and flair.
Don't get me wrong.
After all, he's still chelsea's greatest coach.
But a spade must be called a spade.

You are contradicting yourself bro, Yes CR7 is ultra special but he turn into a goal machine under Mou, his best ever season stat wise was under Mou, it means Mou does not limit any player creativity or flair. Hazard best season so far in a blue shirt is under this Mou, even with any restriction you say Mou placed on him.

For all of Mou style limit players from expressing the full extent of their creativity and flair, Mou Madrid still hold the highest goals scored in a single season in La Liga.

What you guys do most times is use one or two match during a course of a season to judge Mou which isn't fair.

Unlimited22:
Imagine Anthony Martial in, say, Leo Jardim or Maurizio Sarri's hands.
Then imagine Leroy Sane in Mou's hands.

Imagine CR7 under Mou.

Martial have his most productive season under Mou, even your so called best player Hazard best season so far is under Mou.

Yeah, Mou is the talent killer.

What will As Roma chairman be thinking right now You collected 35M for this guy?

Damn!!!

lordfalcao:
while strikers like lukaku, firmino with close to 4000 minute between them what happened to thier opportunity??

Lukaku has 16 goals and 7 assist in the league alone, your MCM has 15 goals and 6 assist in all competition.


Argue with your keyboard.

Mrphilia:
Ask them ooh... People react as if Morata is the second coming of Torres. Morata has contributed to 21 goals this season (15 goals 6 assists)

Lukaku has 16 goals and 7 assist in the league alone.

Wenger is a goat for selling Giroud to skepke FC.

We like out Morata like that, Giroud respect yourself.

Wenger is a goat for selling Giroud to skepke FC.


We like our Morata like that, Giroud respect yourself.

So your 18M back up striker is now benching your MCM. What a day to be alive. 58M down the drain.

Deep calleth unto deep.

We have to keep the Sabbath day holy.

Go saints.

We really need to get RB, LB, RWF and CM properly filled next season. We have some garbage players.

raumdeuter:
Lets strike a deal

If Hazard can perform well and deny Man Utd the FA cup, I will not bash him for 1 full month

Na so you hate Utd reach?