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chukwudi44: if you have nothing t proof then what you are saying is no fact.We have the writings of the church fathers as wells as those of early christain and secular historians to prove our case.You have nothing but sentiments!!!

the link below contains an unbroken list of poPes from st Peter to the current Pope Francis 1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_popes

Dont show wikipedia post written by the catholics to substantiate a false claim.

chukwudi44: Stop making unsubstantiated claims,if you say the catholic church started in Rome,give me proof of that and state in what year it was.!!!!

There is nothing to prove.what am telling you is a fact.at the same time nobody can connect the Roman catholic to the church in Jerusalem.

chukwudi44: I have already stated that catholic church remains the original church.if you don't agree,the onus is on you to adduce facts to subatantiate your claim

Catholic Church started in Rome and infact was taken as the state Religion.The first church started in Jerusalem.you do not have anything to prove here because the church in Jerusalem has no resemblance whatsoever to the catholic church that we know today.

chukwudi44: the churches the apostles founded where is it today?

you tell me

PastorOluT: No don't get me wrong, what I meant by the first church was that it was the only available church after the first century church that was started by d Apostles in the book of Acts.

It even surprised me ow it all phased out n came into one as they were many as at the time of creation? Well I believe there is so much to history that isn't recorded.

Ok.i understand the angle you are coming from but like i said earlier,the first church was founded by Jesus christ and it took off in Jerusalem,then when paul came he was given the mandate to go and preach to the Gentiles.

PastorOluT: Hmm, so they must have given birth to me before I talk about history, so pls why do people study history?

So much for all these overzealous impulsive kids on NL, this might be one of the reason I will be opting out of the thread. Bt i will be honoring Italo by continuing as long he doesn't follow this kind of rationale.

Pastor Olu it amaze me that you believe the crap that the catholic church is the first church.what i know is that the first church started in the book of Acts when the disciples of Christ recieved the Holy ghost.The Catholic church we know today was founded in Rome.

Ethnic war about to start

qstar: I am irreligious.
In a healthy society, we don't need religion to be civil. Civility is necessary for the growth and development of a society.

But, when you talk of Islam, also talk of Christianity. Do not be biased. You guys are more evangelical than the Muslims. Shouting at the top of your voices, binding and casting imaginary Devils.
Now, that's pathetic! When you tell them you are irreligious, they condemn you to "hell" and eternal torture by their deity.

Now my point is that you have been allowed to be irreligious and nobody is pointing a gun at your head to take your life.this is freedom and thats my emphasy.now its left for you to believe in hell or not.is not by force.do what you have to do with your life if only it will not be a harmful to the next fellow.this the choice that you may not be allowed in some countries whose main religion is islam.

qstar: ^^^
I don't think i called you names. If so, point at it. Or you are accusing me falsely.

Anyway, have a nice day.

before you go,do you think forcing people to adhere to a particular religion is good? Pls be sincere

qstar: Why are you bickering on Islam? You are into your religion by virtue of locality and upbringing. The same way, majority of those who are Muslims inherited it. Do you think that by casting aspersions on their religion, it helps validate yours?

You should go and research more on your-imposed-religion. Christianity has a lot of historical issues. No religion is without such issues. "Google" is your friend.

Stop your religious bigotry! You're feeling so proud of an imported religion. hmmm. smh4u

Thats the problem "intolerance".you are already showing anger by calling me names.even if i am to agree that christains once used force on people,the good thing is that christains no longer use force on anybody on the matter of religion.the world has seen civilization and peoples way of doing things are beginning to take a different shape but it seems islam is still lacking behind in trying to adapt to changes in the world.Bokoharam is still saying that western education is evil,they are killing innocent children,adopting underaged girls,there is still child marriage which normally happens against the wish of the child bride.my guy that came back from dubai told me that you dare not eat as a christain during the ramadan period.these are evidence showing that islam employs the use of force in its practices.
This is my point.if you have or claim to have the way of truth,then people should be allowed to embrace it without being forced.this is the key to world peace "religious tolerance"

tartar9: when did usman Dan fodio force people to convert?trough out history there haved not been any forced mass convertion to Islam.

no need to argue. just google how usman danfodio forcefully converted northern nigeria to islam.he was on his to eastern nigeria when he heard that the white men has arrived in the north and he turned back.

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I doubt if the above is true but even if it true,i am also aware that some of the missionaries were killed in the process of trying to preach and spread christainity. in christainity.you are left to give in to fear-factor on your own free will.christains do not points gun and tell you to convert.
well wether they preach hell or not,people are still left with the right to choose to obey the bible or not.in christainity nobody says u must obey or you cannot join another religion.

^^^
I agree with u a little bit on the need to enforce some truths especially when it directly harm the next human.Apart from this case no religious truth should be enforced by human agent.why should be people be forced to adhere or convert to religions they did not believe or accept.an example is the case of ISIL where the leader asked christains and other religious minories to convert to islam or face death.i mean people should be free to choose who or what to worship anywhere anytime.

If the statement were made by isrealis in 1680,i can say it may be true but in this civilization no prominent isreali leader can make such statement.we know the most wicked people on earth,they are the children of the devil.

Just to drive home my point sunni rebels who newly declared the ISIL as a new caliphate comprising some part of iraq and syria has asked all the christains and other religious minorities to convert to islam before the end of saturday or face death.you now ask yourself how the truth could be forcefully imposed on people.if islam is the truth,then people be allowed to happily accept it as the truth and not by someone asking you to convert with a gun pointed at your head.

I have red the epistle of barnabas and he preached the same message that paul preached.Islam is always attacking christainity.you guys are liars.

In the world you will have tribulation but be of good cheer for i have overcome the world

snowpe: l appreciate all the advice given,it makes me strong and opens my eyes more to understand something s which I didn't.by God's grace I will never cheat on her.

From every look of things,the fault is all yours by allowing one stupid ignoramus to pastor your wife and convince her into stupid things that christ himself never talked about.what if she has been asked to do other stupid things by these same preacher that may even be dangerous to her health?is just not funny?
Get yourself educated in the things of God and convince her back to her normal state of being.Get spiritual yourself and study scriptures so that you will be knowledgeable enough in spiritual things and then come back to convince her from scriptures that all she had swallowed up are nothing but lies.you may also need to change church(one of the new generation churches).
Thats my humble advice.

lakpalakpa: Another beast worshipping scallywag..

I didnt know that people like you still exist.

lakpalakpa: Most soldiers are uniformed beasts, so why should I care...

Only a beast recognise a beast

winner01: you had better think about being delivered from the curse of the law.

If am missing something,you can let me know.

Kingharzyz: hey !!!! SO CHRISTIANITY WASN'T FORCED ON OUR FORE FATHERS BY THE COLONIAL MASTERS...
OGA ABATE YOUR IRE ON ISLAM.

I didnt know that the missionaries used force in converting people?please did they kill our fore fathers because i know that some of them where killed by those whom they were trying to convert.
Being a christain is a choice.nobody cut of your hand or flog u for breaking one commandment unlike in islam where people pay severly for failing to abide by one of rules.why should people be declared apostate and killed for leaving islam and converting to other religion.why should young girls be forced to marry against their wish?why should human agent be used in enforcing Allahs rule?the question is endless.
If islam hold a promise of showing the world the truth,then i question why everything is done by force in islam.you dare not ask questions or challenge authority even when you have a different opinion.once again,i maintain that truth should be liberating,it should bring peace to the mind,it should be accepted willingly,it should be attractive,every heart should yearn for the truth,it should remove fear from the mind truth should bring peace to the world and it should not be forced on people.

Let me begin by saying that this post is not in anyway aimed at portraying Islam and their Allah in a bad light.As a matter of fact i do envy the seriousness of muslims in the worship of Allah.
Now my understanding tells me that the truth should be attractive.It should be willingly accepted and should not be a source of fear.it should be a means to freedom.Any ear that hears the truth should be quick to respond.
Now muslim believe that Islam as a religion offers the truth to the world but what i have not come to understand is the reason why this truth must be enforced by human agent.why is there much use of force in islam.you must do as exactly as it is written even when you may not want to.failure to cover well could be detriment to a female muslim worshipper.leaving the religion to another religion is termed apostacy and is punishable by death and sometimes new converts to the religion is by force eg Usman Danfodio.
This clearly shows that there is excessive use of force in islam.so my simple question why use force when the truth should be attractive and freely accepted,sweet and a means to freedom?

ITbomb: Jesus Christ or even His apostle Paul would have had a simpler way of explaining this if it were the truth.

You want him to write 2 lines to prove that he is saying the truth.maybe the bible should have been 2 chapters to prove that it is Gods word.
Anyway he who has an ear let him hear.if you are a keeper of the law,remember to keep all.as for me i have been delivered from the curse of the law.

Forgiveness for doing what?this is vogue

Anybody writting the test tomorrow in umuahia should pm me lets put heads together and nail this uactest.

bolaino: everything has to do with Religious extremism, it seems there is an increase in Religious Extremism. We all have to be more tolerant of each other. We are all human beings, christian and muslims alike.

Nice thought.

bolaino: the last few months have been rough for me psychologically, but I'm keeping on. I hope the world gets better though, and I wish all of you well.

Guy take it easy because the world would be better.By the way Isreal is in a big fight with the terrorist Hamas group that has led to the lose of lives of innocent civilians.whats your opinion on this?

Obidiah777 now Obidiahreborn has risen from the valley of the dry bones now is waiting for the end of the world.

PastorKun: Corrected.

Thanks for the correction.

Op tithing in christainity is nothing but an unholy fraud that is rooted on selfishness in the mind of the payer and reciever.