italo:

Thanks for your reply. Just to let you know that I have no problem whatsoever with people with differing opinions from mine. What I have a problem with is insincerity and hypocrisy.

Allow me to ask you more questions based on this reply of yours.

1. When you say the Catholic Church was the only Church that existed, you agree it was founded by Jesus Christ?

2. You claim the Church was good until the Papacy ruined it. When did this happen? Give us a date or a timeframe at least...and tell us where you got the information from.

3. Are you serious and sincere when you say "anyone" against the papacy was burned? If you are, please give us the date the papacy went bad and I will provide evidence that what you said is false.

4. You said idolatry came in with veneration of saints. Give us the date when this came in.

5. where did you learn that Mary and statues take God's place...and who told you that prayers must pass through Mary to be legitimate and that she became more important than Christ to the Catholic Church? Pls tell us where the Catholic Church teaches that?

6. You said "The bible no longer became the final authority." Please tell us the date the bible came about, who brought about it, and when was the Bible ever the final authority?

Thanks.

italo: This is in response to your statement that you're always sincere in your discussions with me.

Well, this is my own way of testing if you can actually be consistently sincere.

1. What is your opinion of the Catholic Church, its doctrine... and actively practising Catholics?

chukwudi44:

the churches the apostles founded where is it today?

lastmessenger:
you tell me

chukwudi44:

I have already stated that catholic church remains the original church.if you don't agree,the onus is on you to adduce facts to subatantiate your claim

[/quote] It constitutes one of
the three primary divisions of Christianity, along with
Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy.[2] [quote]

lastmessenger:
Catholic Church started in Rome and infact was taken as the state Religion.The first church started in Jerusalem.you do not have anything to prove here because the church in Jerusalem has no resemblance whatsoever to the catholic church that we know today.

chukwudi44:

Stop making unsubstantiated claims,if you say the catholic church started in Rome,give me proof of that and state in what year it was.!!!!

lastmessenger:
There is nothing to prove.what am telling you is a fact.at the same time nobody can connect the Roman catholic to the church in Jerusalem.

chukwudi44:

if you have nothing t proof then what you are saying is no fact.We have the writings of the church fathers as wells as those of early christain and secular historians to prove our case.You have nothing but sentiments!!!

the link below contains an unbroken list of poPes from st Peter to the current Pope Francis 1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_popes

lastmessenger:
Dont show wikipedia post written by the catholics to substantiate a false claim.

chukwudi44: It constitutes one of
the three primary divisions of Christianity, along with
Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy.[2]

If pentecostals are not protestants then which of the three major divisions of christianity do they belong to?

lastmessenger:
Dont show wikipedia post written by the catholics to substantiate a false claim.

chukwudi44: so wikipedia is now written by catholics !!! Chai chai!!

voxpopp: And to you all confused about the name of the first christian church...it was addressed the as "THE CHURCH OF GOD" or "CHURCH OF CHRIST" in the new testament, depending on the translation. This is quite evident in the letters and epistles Paul used to write to his apostles in the new testament.

Read 1Corinthians 1 vs 2, Romans 16 vs 16

Thank you and God bless

lastmessenger:
Anybody can paste an article in wikipedia.Even you can do that

voxpopp: Common man, what point are you trying to make? 20th century Pentecostalism, Christian fundamentalism and Evangelicalism all "evolved" from protestantism but aren't the same. I already pointed out that their similarities stems from the fact that they share the same divergent beliefs opposed to Roman Catholism. Modern day churches are mostly Pentecostals, Christian fundamentals and Evangelicals(not protestants). The protestants were more of a political movement during the period of the infamous "inquisitions" and persecutions by the Roman catholics and there relevance died down when the inquisitions stopped...(not without some form of bloody revolution anyway). After this revolution, modern day churches now sprang up from among liberated protestants. These includes the Pentecostals, Christian fundamentals, Evangelicals and other forms of christianity found nowadays like the seventh day adventists, jehovah witnesses just to mention a few.

So, the protestants were more of freedom fighters and that's what makes the difference.

italo:

Thanks for your reply. Just to let you know that I have no problem whatsoever with people with differing opinions from mine. What I have a problem with is insincerity and hypocrisy.

Allow me to ask you more questions based on this reply of yours.

1. When you say the Catholic Church was the only Church that existed, you agree it was founded by Jesus Christ?

2. You claim the Church was good until the Papacy ruined it. When did this happen? Give us a date or a timeframe at least...and tell us where you got the information from.

3. Are you serious and sincere when you say "anyone" against the papacy was burned? If you are, please give us the date the papacy went bad and I will provide evidence that what you said is false.

4. You said idolatry came in with veneration of saints. Give us the date when this came in.

5. where did you learn that Mary and statues take God's place...and who told you that prayers must pass through Mary to be legitimate and that she became more important than Christ to the Catholic Church? Pls tell us where the Catholic Church teaches that?

6. You said "The bible no longer became the final authority." Please tell us the date the bible came about, who brought about it, and when was the Bible ever the final authority?

Thanks.

chukwudi44:

You know nothing about church history but only hatred for the catholic church.The key protestant leaders martin luther and John calvin had their hands soiled in blood!! Martin encouraged the murder and persecution of jews and John calvin killed miceal servrtus for disgreeing with the doctrine of trinity!! So even your so called freedom fighters were also guilty of what you accuse catholics of

chukwudi44:

If you paste any wrong info on wikipedia,it will be contested and if found credible will be removed!!!! That is why wikipedia is the most reliable online piece of information on the planet earth.

You just make baseless claims without any proof!! Arguing with you is just a waste of time

chukwudi44:

So where is this church of God or church of Christ. Today? So where was it in the 2nd,3rd and the early centuries of christianity? Where were they when the bible was compilled by the "unchristly" catholic church? You people should learn to use your heads at times.The catholic church has records of christian leaders from the 1st,2nd centuries to the prseent day so how come no one has any extra biblical records of their existence?

JMAN05:

If you are sincere their are questions you should not be asking. You should know it happened. Unless Pastorolut has time for this circle dance.

voxpopp: The more reason why I said it was a bloody revolution. It was like a war back then and in a war, there is always casualties on both sides. Am not in anyway in support of the protestants and some of their actions back then that's why I tried to emphasize the difference between protestantism and its off shoots after the revolution. Mind you, no one practices protestantism again...(Who are they protesting against).

voxpopp:

In the example that I cited from the scriptures concerning the original name of the first church, the bible was yet to be completed.

Another fact I will like to point at is that the canonical bible was not compiled by the catholics alone but rather by the council of Nicea and the process was arranged presided over by emperor constatine.

Other members of the coucil of Nicea includes Delegates from;
Assyrian Church of the East,
Eastern Orthodox
Oriental Orthodox
and Most Protestant Denominations

voxpopp:

In the example that I cited from the scriptures concerning the original name of the first church, the bible was yet to be completed.

Another fact I will like to point at is that the canonical bible was not compiled by the catholics alone but rather by the council of Nicea and the process was arranged presided over by emperor constatine.

Other members of the coucil of Nicea includes Delegates from;
Assyrian Church of the East,
Eastern Orthodox
Oriental Orthodox
and Most Protestant Denominations

voxpopp: The more reason why I said it was a bloody revolution. It was like a war back then and in a war, there is always casualties on both sides. Am not in anyway in support of the protestants and some of their actions back then that's why I tried to emphasize the difference between protestantism and its off shoots after the revolution. Mind you, no one practices protestantism again...(Who are they protesting against).