₦airaland Forum

prince3009:
Great!

Just watch as Children of Hate will come with comments like...

"Useless crap cars assembled in Biafra"

"Igbo motor from potopoto republic"

Some will start posting "western media self-created links" like...

President Donald Trump leads US Army and Pentagon delegation to PROFORCE headquarters in Lagos, buys 1,000,000,000 units of proforce armored carriers.

www--dot fakenewslink-- dot com

Yes we have already secured a deal with UN

iaamxavier:
Something Afonjas will never do!!
Hypocrites

Afonja is already manufacturing Armoured Cars, secured a deal with the United Nations, you will always be behind no matter what

aribisala0:
Are you the Tribunal in their matter? Why talk like a child . What is lost cannot be reclaimed?
Israel was lost for 2000 years and today they are back peppering the Palestinians



Has Ooni not lost power to Nigeria?

This is not to say I support him or even believe him.
By your logic we should never have fought for independence

The fact that you have always believed something does not mean it is true

It is stupidity to compare this situation to freedom fighting

He is not fighting for freedom but supremacy

aribisala0:
Was there a war to claim independence from the British

You cannot envision beyond the confines of your brainpower.

Who is in power today will not be there tomorrow
Do we even know that there will be Yoruba in that space tomorrow
Such limitations are innate and are rarely overcome.

War is not the only way to achieve political objectives

You think you are wiser than every one and that just make you a big fool

It was even the Oduduwa descendants that succeeded in uniting Yoruba after they usurped power from Obatala descendans but you can keep wallowing in your ignorance, I'm done arguing with a big fool that thinks he is wiser than everyone

Obatala and Oduduwa fought this war and Obatala lost

Your IQ is even low to have compared this situation to that of Nigeria and Britain

Britain granted Nigeria freedom because they wanted to and Nigeria exist on their own while British departed, but Olugbo of Ugbo is fighting to be the head of all the Kings in Yoruba Land that will even head over Oduduwa descendants that usurped the power of Obatala descendants.

Nigeria fought for freedom with Britain not supremacy

Olugbo of Ugbo is not fighting for freedom but supremacy

You have no brain power at all

[quote author=samuk post=78185976][/quote]There is no mirage anywhere, there is Unity In Yoruba Land but we have some few bad eggs though but no one take anything serious and even if Nigeria fall apart all the sub tribes can't form a country on their own.

aribisala0:
Are you the Tribunal in their matter? Why talk like a child . What is lost cannot be reclaimed?
Israel was lost for 2000 years and today they are back peppering the Palestinians



Has Ooni not lost power to Nigeria?

This is not to say I support him or even believe him.
By your logic we should never have fought for independence

The fact that you have always believed something does not mean it is true

The Fulani Usurped Hausa power so who is now with the power today?

Americans Usurped power from the Aborigines people so who is now with the power today?

Yes Isreal is back but not without a war

Obatala and Oduduwa have already fought this war and Obatala lost which means any Obatala descendant don't have any right to power because they have already lost it.


If Obatala descendants want to be back in power but then there is going to be another war to reclaim what they already lost

All you are doing is calling for war in Yoruba Land, no Obatala descendants have any right to power in Ile ife because they have already lost it and if they want the power back the will have to follow the same process of which they lost the power again and that is through War.

aribisala0:
Just like the Fulani came and usurped power in Hausaland so also Oduduwa came and usurped power from Obatala

Now what is not clear is whether this guy is claiming to be an Obatala descendant

Yes Oduduwa usurped power from Obatala which means even if he was Obatala descendant he still have no claim, the power is already lost

Born2Breed:
I won't call you a liar but a miserable ignoramus. Your ignorance reeks to high heavens. Go study more about your distorted history. Engaging you is like talking to a wall.

You are the one that really need to go and study more about your distorted History and you are the miserable ignoramus here.

You call Oranmiyan the son of Oduduwa when he was really a Grandson of Oduduwa and even the last Grandson, that alone prove that all you Benin is trying to do is lying and falsification. Keep your falsification to yourselves and keep Yoruba out of it, you are already lying about what the Olugbo of Ugbo said about Oduduwa, Olugbo of Ugbo himself said Oduduwa did not come from Benin but you are already lying about what he said.

Born2Breed:
To them it's about supremacy,ego...

One scholar even said to me that it's preferable to claim Oduduwa is from the North than Benin,one person here even stated the same thing.

That was when I gave up on them,before then some of their scholars met at Oranmiyan Hall at Airport Hotel,Ikeja and agreed that Oduduwa is definitely not from Mecca and they should never agree on Benin either.

Leave them and let them wallow in their ignorance. Tomorrow we will hear Hausa people were the first in Ife before Igbo. Las las them go agree on Benin soon.

When all You Benin do is lied


You Claim Oranmiyan was the son of Oduduwa when Oranmiyan was really the Grandson of Oduduwa

The Olugbo of Ugbo King did not say Oduduwa migrated from Benin, but you Benin are already lying that he said Oduduwa migrated from Benin

Vanguard called It a Prison, and if children are not going to school then it is a prison

TAO11:
Nothing could be more absurd, incoherent and contradictory than the hypothesis that Oduduwa is from Bini land (formerly Igodomigodo land).

The "Oghene N' Uhe" (as the Binis in ancient times articulate "Ooni Ife" ) was considered by the Binis themselves (evidenced by many of their conversations with João Afonso d'Aveiros around 1480) to be suzerain over Bini Kingdom.

The Ooni of Ife was an emperor whose approval must be sought before Benin Kingdom would crown an Oba.

How can such an emperor be descended from a kingdom who accords allegiance to him and his Empire?

It just doesn't add up and there are many more piercing evidence demonstrating that Oduduwa is certainly not from Benin Kingdom even though his Yoruba descendants later gave him admission into the Yoruba pantheon, thus later giving him mythical attributes.

Regarding whether or not Olugbo of Ugbo was the ruler of Ife prior to Oduduwa's ascension from "his country", wherever that is:

Firstly, the submission of modern experts on the subject of whether Oduduwa is alien to Ife is that many "Yorubas" migrated back home to Ife from the North-East of Africa in different waves of home-coming migration.

And that Oduduwa was a leader of one of those waves of home-coming migration of the "Yorubas". We see evidence of this in the fact that Shango-Oba-Koso, born in Ife, once ruled as king over the Nubian Kush kingdom.

Secondly, prior to Oduduwa's coming to Ife, there were already about fifteen different Ilus (or states) in the country called Ile-Ife, each with its Oba (or king). These states which still exists till date with its respective kings are:

Ido
Iloromu
Ideta-Oko
Odun
Iloran
Oke-Oja
Imojubi
Iraye
Ijugbe
Oke-Awo
Iwinrin
Parakin
Omologun
Ilemure (now Obokun)
Ugbo.

It wasn't until the ascension of Oduduwa that all these Ile-Ife kingdom-states became centralized under one political structure with all of the kingdom-states accepting Oduduwa's central political and religious leadership, unlike Agboniregun whose central leadership (prior to Oduduwa) was solely religious.

So, given this background it becomes immediately obvious that the Olugbo of Ugbo's claim that he ruled Ife prior to Oduduwa is just a spin, a twist, and a reshuffling of historical facts.

Olugbo Ugbo never ruled the country called Ife. Instead he controlled only one of its states just as each of the other fourteen state has its independent king and at a time when there wasn't yet a centralized political structure.

[[If you doubt any of the facts I have stated above, please let me know and I will provide you with evidence, proof, and reason.]]

They are just lying and trying to falsify everything as usual, even the Oba never said Oduduwa migrated from Benin

Their claim that Oranmiyan was the son of Oduduwa was even wrong, Oranmiyan was the Grandson of Oduduwa

https://www.google.com/amp/s/guardian.ng/sunday-magazine/akinruntan-i-occupy-oldest-throne-in-yoruba-history-making-me-first-among-equals/amp

Amujale:
The Mecca story is debunked as a falsity.

Oduduwa hails from within Yorubaland, Nigeria.

When The Emperorsic reigns on the throne, Arabia wasn't even in existence.

These times depict when the only people on the planet are residents of the African continent; blacksic, brown and, or, bronze.

You are right, the King said the same thing

https://www.google.com/amp/s/guardian.ng/sunday-magazine/akinruntan-i-occupy-oldest-throne-in-yoruba-history-making-me-first-among-equals/amp

AreaFada2:
Until people are prepared to subdue ethnic pride and sit down to collectively research Ife and Benin history there will always be room for confusion. I have argued it here for years and I have been banned for speaking up here.
These days ethnic or monarchical supremacy has no relevance. Therfore nobody should be afraid of objectively researching history.

But in Nigeria we politicise everything so that truth has no place.

He never said Oduduwa migrated from Benin, but you Benin have already twisted his words and lied as Usual

https://www.google.com/amp/s/guardian.ng/sunday-magazine/akinruntan-i-occupy-oldest-throne-in-yoruba-history-making-me-first-among-equals/amp


You call Oranmiyan the son of Oduduwa when Oranmiyan was really the grandson of Oduduwa and the last born

samuk:
The Oba believes that Oduduwa who was from Benin met his ancestors in Ife. According to him, Oduduwa who is a foreign king in Ife can't be senior to him who was met on the ground. Yoruba history sort of supports the Oba's position because it agrees that Oduduwa was actually from somewhere else and non native, some said from the sky, others said from Saudi Arabia. The Benins believe he was heir to the last Benin Ogiso (king from the Sky), this was what Oduduwa actually told Ife people when he got there, hence the believe by some that he climbed down from the Sky

You are wrong, the Oba didn't say Oduduwa came from Benin


You Benin have to stop lying and stop trying to distort Yoruba History


Even Oranmiyan was not the son of Oduduwa but the Grand son of Oduduwa, all you Benin Does is lying and falsification.

You are already twisting and lying about what the King said

https://www.google.com/amp/s/guardian.ng/sunday-magazine/akinruntan-i-occupy-oldest-throne-in-yoruba-history-making-me-first-among-equals/amp

Prosperchuks1344:
bro, its a made up story, cooked and spiced...
stop deceiving your self bra, we only know of Bini empire in our history books, I'm sorry..

Well it is a pity no one care about your opinion

Afonja have more sense than this King

I know the kidnappers must be Igbos

Watch out for any Igbo looking at your Kids in South West

mmorah6:
they hawk gala and build storey building u mine skull and still live in brown roof

That because you are too poor to build houses, so they build storey buildings for you to live in

Beautiful

johndoexxx:
Afonja now

She is ugly

Anambralstson:
Owerri, you guys are still backwards

Look at the people that can't build houses calling someone backward, posting pictures of hotels and business outlets and Storey building built for people that are too poor to build personal houses

Anambralstson:
Abakilike boasts of four flyovers non in Akure and Osogbo

There are fly overs in Osogbo and Akure

Anambralstson:
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Yoruba only developed Makoko, Ajegule and other slums
In Lagos

But all Islands and Estates are all own by Yoruba while you run to Lagos Every day to hawk Gala and Push Wheel Barrow, I guess all the Government projects in the state are being carry out by Igbo too with your Gala Money

Anambralstson:
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Yoruba only developed Makoko, Ajegule and other slums
In Lagos

But all Islands and Estates are all own by Yoruba while you run to Lagos Every day to hawk Gala and Push Wheel Barrow, I guess all the Government projects in the state are being carry out by Igbo too with your Gala Money

Anambralstson:
Your people are hawking herbal remedies on streets of Abakilike

This is Akure

Anambralstson:
Your people are hawking herbal remedies on streets of Abakilike

Still can't be compare to how you invade south West with Wheel Barrows,

this is Akure

Anambralstson:
Storey buildings in Abakaliki dwarfed Osogbo and Akure

Look at the storey building this one is boasting about that's still because you Igbo are too poor to build your personal houses that's why they build storey buildings for you to live in .

So storey building now mean development? It just prove that you are poor to build your personal houses

Excaperx:


I thought some Yoruba people said Oyo state have biggest GDP, igr than south east.

So common pension is now a problem

Kogi state Governor owe workers for 36 months, does that means Kogi don't have the money?

At least they voted the Governor out unlike Abia that they re elected Ikpeazu

Anambralstson:
Abakilike

Osogbo can do better and Osogbo people don't invade Abakaliki with Wheel Barrows

Anambralstson:
Abakilike

Scarce Houses every where, I don't know why you Igbo are too poor to build houses

Look at houses every where in Osogbo, and Osogbo people don't invade Abakaliki with Wheel Barrows

Anambralstson:
Osogbo skyline

Yes Osogbo is better than your Abakaliki and Osogbo people don't invade Abakaliki with Wheel Barrows