₦airaland Forum

ginggerxy:
Osu was mostly people captured during war and it has been abolished in every SE state . Just do what I ask you and stop your normal lies and propaganda.

Osu , " people captured during war " or " those who did abomination"?

Yorubafather:
LAGOS IS A NO MANS LAND ..... LAGOS BELONG TO ALL NIGERIANS.... NOTHING ANYBODY CAN DO ABOUT IT, KISS THE TRUTH CHILDREN OF HATE

Is that what your father told you?

kazyhm:
Are related to the two of them ?
Funsho Williams is from Edo state
Musiliu Obanikoro is fromoyo state
Michael Otedola is probably from Kwara state....
Also Lateef Jakande is from kogi......


You people will go any length to prove that Lagos have no indigenes.

If you have been following my post albinitio you will know that I've not been party to this nonsense talk of "Lagos is no man's land" , I am a proud Yoruba man and I believe Lagos has it's indegenes.

But I don't post falsehood and nonsense to defend my point just for the sake of argument.

Open your ears and listen again

Fashola , Ekiti by origin.
Ambode, Ondo by origin.
Tinubu, Osun by origin.
Jakande, Kwara by origin.

Have they denied their origin, even though a lot of them were born in Lagos.

They were born in Lagos (some of them) but they have never denied the origin of their father.

Touchypro:
So what exactly are you talking about? That someone from Sharjah will go to Dubai and be treated with a different law because he's from Sharjah in the same UAE? Is Lagos not part of Nigeria anymore? Indians are not from UAE they are immigrants, they would need passport to go to Dubai but in this case Igbos are Nigerians so they have the right that every Nigerian have.

Now there's a question that you didn't answer, what are the things in Lagos that you want only Yorubas to enjoy that other tribes shouldn't enjoy? I want to know those things. If you tell me I will honestly help you campaign for it on Twitter. I just want to know these things that an average Yoruba man should enjoy in Lagos that shouldn't be available for other tribes

They want to favour their own.
They may show bias in land acquisition, rentals e.t.c

Touchypro:
Nobody is crying, it is you who said we taking over your State when we haven't done anything. We really don't care how you do things in your State.

You are not taking over our state because you are not the only one there, just wait and see how things will go, no noise yet .

kazyhm:
Babatunde Raji Fashola is from surulere
Akinwunmi Ambode is from epe
Olusola BabaJide Sanwo-olu is from Lagos island

Fashola is Ekiti by origin while Ambode is Ondo by origin.

Creeper:
This is a great post. There was a thread about the people who founded different parts of Lagos on here a few days ago and if you understand the etymology of Yoruba names - you can pretty much tell the subgroups of Yoruba a lot of them belong to.

I think Oyo seems to always get neglected when it comes to indigenous Lagosians despite Oyo people being one of the original inhabitants of what’s known as Lagos today. With Badagry for example: Oyo and Aworis have a better claim to it than the Eguns (Ogus) who’re settlers that arrived there after leaving Whydah (I think or is it Quidah?) - due to the King Ghezo. I don’t know if you have seen Viola Davis and John Boyega’s “The Warrior King” (the movie isn’t 100% historically accurate tho) but it did show when the people of Quidah were attacked by King Ghezo. I believe that’s when a lot of them migrated to what’s know today’s as Badagry. Ikoyi is another one: Onikoyi anywhere in Yorubaland is Oyo, so that’s pretty straightforward. Also, with Eyo festival - the Dosunmu family inherited Eyo from Ijebu (Iperu-Remo) via marriage thus making them the custodian of Eyo in Lagos as Adimu orisha but the 2nd most powerful Eyo (I can’t remember its name) is Oyo (from Iseyin). Etc.

Let me go on a tangent a bit with the excerpt about Ijebuland sharing borders with Osun. I didn’t really know that and thanks for the heads up. It makes the claim that Ijebus stationed tens of thousands of Ijebu warriors in Ife to protect Ife during the Yoruba wars much more plausible now. I always thought Ijebus just shared borders Oyo state since Ijebus are part of the integral part of the Yoruba settlers in Ibadan - after the Egbas vacated the city and migrated to their current abode in Abeokuta. I was going to delve more into Ife and the pre-Oduduwa migration of Yoruba groups like Aworis and Eastern Yoruba subgroups from Ife and Ife empire but I’ll leave that for another day.

Oyo people are from Oyo, a well pronounced place as Oyo before they migrated.

budaatum:
Are you not here dragging?

No one has to remain in their indigenous state if they do not want to and have the cahunas to resist bigots like you.

That's true , it's not a must that people must remain in their indegenous home, if one doesn't want to go home , one can at least find a better place but it's insane if you have an option and you don't utilize it.

If you an okada man for instance , will you not move to Asaba to continue your Okada business after it is banned in Kano and if you don't want to move to your home town.

budaatum:
This is amusingly funny if true. A non-Lagosian wanting to pass laws that negatively affect him too, lol.

He began by saying " Lagos is NOT a no man's land" that "Lagos is a Yoruba land" perhaps his proposal will be Yoruba friendly in general.

Is that not stupidity , if you say someone is not Lagos indegene and he will propose a law that will go against him, when he is not stupid, why would he do that.

Touchypro:
Good so why are yoruba people crying everywhere when we haven't done anything. These things you mentioned are still controlled by Yoruba people in Lagos. Igbos are taking over your State yet you are still in charge of every important position in the State, is their any Igbo man that makes any decision on how Lagos should be run.

Like I said before if they enact laws that will be unfavorable to non indigenes they'll start leaving and I'm sure the Lagos State government won't even consider such laws cos they like the way Lagos is progressing which means more money for their selves.


They only use taking over propaganda to make sure that no opposition will smell power and it is working very well for them.

Why are Igbos lamenting even when the law is not out yet , a state wants to help her indigenes more and you are crying! are you the only tribe in the state?

You say the law will make people/development leave the state , then why not wait and see.

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nnamdi640:
Continue deceiving yourself. When it get to 100years, go and collect it

Don't always place emotion over fact.

happney65:
How do they sort indigenes and non indegines school fees between Yoruba students at tertiary institution? How?

The same way wale from Ekiti can't become ordinary councilor in Ibadan,the same way wale from Ekiti isn't an indigene of Lagos except the original owners called the Awori's

The rest of you cannot claim Lagos as you are not an Indigene

Simple,Yes..


If you don't like it, you can Hug the nearest transformer

Indegenes still get bursary.

The owner of Lagos include the Aworis, Ijebu and the Ogu people.

The indigenes of Lagos should be able to tell their family house and their heritage.

Only idiots will claim Lagos indegenes cannot be determined, if the needs be.

What is obtainable now is deliberate waver and leniency to almost everyone, and that's the reason it seems it's a place of no indegenes.

Perhaps a reason for an adjustment now.

kcnwaigbo:
Mumu there is no host community.Ogun and Osun visitors insulted a son of the soil like GRV

Get your thinking right, there are host communities , one isolate for political reason like GRV should not make you lose your reasoning.

Lagos indigenes in APC are also part of those who worked against him.

So it's politics, don't pretend it's not.

leisuretym:
Nonsensical nonsense, Lagos is a No man’s land, they want to steal Portuguese Annex

Lagos is Yoruba land, Portuguese shi**t, so Christopher Columbus did not meet red Indians in United States?
"Lagos is no man's land" is a stupid utterance, a stupid position.

Touchypro:
You no get Dubai, and I haven't seen any one person who owns Lagos even as it is a Yoruba State what exactly do you think Yorubas should enjoy in Lagos that other tribes shouldn't, just tell me that one thing.

Lagos is in Nigeria and uses Nigeria constitution I don't see where you are going with this. Dubai is a City in UAE and everyone from UAE have the same right as people from Dubai. Have you been to Dubai before? Indians have the highest number of new businesses there.

Yoruba currently and will still get more benefits in Lagos at the expense of Igbo just like Igbo people get more benefits in Anambra or Imo at the expense of Yoruba for example there is no need for unnecessary list .

Where all can do their businesses in the states , but the indigenes or the ethnic groups will get more chance in their respective states civil service , considerations in University admission (catchment area) , Health services, Bursaries e.t.c. infact. they have the soul of the state compare to strangers.

Dubai is a city opening to tourism and investors for benefits obviously.

So they will allow people in, including Nigeria and India you mentioned but they still have restrictions and can adjust if people abuse benefits just like what they did recently against countries, including Nigeria.

There are no lawless cities or countries
( where there is no war ) , a place can't be without those who control it .

UNDFTD:
You can NOT force people to be in a relationship ...that's why there's divorce. You or nobody else has the right to tell a person who to be in a relationship with. That word "non-negotiable" when it comes to the unity of the Zoological Republic of Animal kingdom, Zoogeria is anathema and as false as FALSE teeth! Talk about "Respect," I do NOT understand where you are going with that. But let me remind you that no ethnic group would claim that it has respect for others. Nigerians hate themselves and each other and that's the MORE reason each group has to go on their own. There would be NO love LOST! So, please, you need to STOP this deception and understand that NIGERIA is NOT ONE, has NEVER been ONE, and would NEVER be ONE! NOT until you and others get a grip on this simple fact, all of you would be living in DENIAL and deceiving yourselves. We were NEVER ONE before the British came and we are NOT ONE since they left!

What IAM I saying? what are you saying? you were just ranting , bla , bla, bla and I don't think you are in contradictory with me , what I think is there is misunderstanding somewhere,

When I say "non negotiable" I put "no" before the statement, and IAM saying that our unity is not automatic, it's not a must.

That if we are going to be together, there must be things we have to ensure or allow.

For me , do i give a fvck about Nigeria's unity , is it a must, if Nigeria will divide , let it divide now! my wish is if it can come peaceful why not!? Because people are dying avoidably In this contraption called Nigeria.

Unity is not by force ! I know but while we are still together, we must give ourselves sense to an extent , or we truly make it a full blown zoological garden, a zoo where we eat ourselves raw! Survival of the fittest.

Narratives of Nnamdi Kanu, Simon Ekpa and his IPOB/ ESN boys not forgetting unknown gun men (UGM).

Musaspp:
Why do we keep postponing the doom's day The unity of Nigeria cracks up everyday, and we pretend all is well. The proposed bills would be nothing, but discriminatory and tend towards disunity. Let Nigeria separate peacefully - TOO MUCH TRIBALISM!

It's should be done to help the indigenes not necessarily discriminatory..

tamudabu:
Clamour does not make a thing so, and the constitution of Nigeria would hopefully not allow states to pass laws that would not be favourable to the anyone, because after you pass laws unfavourable to Igbos, laws unfavourable to Catholics, or Baptists, or Muslims might follow, and laws against light skins people or dark skin people, or people who worship Ogun too.

We'd just accuse those we dislike of the so called crime of clamour, then pass laws to discriminate against them.

It's just a proposal to put indegenes on right pedestal , no noise , other people , various demographies will still reside in Lagos.

tamudabu:
No, its not clear at all. You can not pass a law against people talking nonsense since their talk does not make it so.

You can say Lagos is no man's land as much as you want so long as you pay me your Lagos rent when due, and if you don't pay, the law allows me to evict you from the so called no man's land which you are renting from me since saying Lagos is no man's land does not mean you then get to be the man that owns the land.

It's not a legislation/move against a mere talk of "Lagos is no man's land" alone, but the saying is in their cautiousness , they are pushing more than talk , feeling of entitlement, no more see things as privilege, so reason for a reset button to be pressed and put people where they belong.
Good reminder.

UNDFTD:
Why the 4uck do you guys claim to be in One Nigeria but yet there's hatred everywhere! Nigeria is NOT one, has NEVER been, and would NEVER be ONE! You're all living a lie and in denial!

No unity is non - negotiable, it must come with
terms and conditions and mutual respect.

We shouldn't act like pigs that trespass anyhow, regardless of our closeness.

Only pigs will support life of no mutual respect.

tamudabu:
It is more stupid than wrong if you ask me, and even more stupid to think legislation needs to be passed against it.

If a Yoruba person goes to Imo or Katsina and says it's no man's land, which they can indeed say though some level of insanity must be involved, Igbo and Katsina people should watch him claim that so called no man's land for himself and see how far it gets him.

Land belongs to the title holder regardless of origin. But I guess Lagosians must fear. They must have heard the next Oba of Lagos is from Imo or Katsina or somewhere like that, or they'd just laugh at any idiot who says Lagos is no man's land.

It's not a legislation against the mere saying of " Lagos is no man's land" per se, but to legislate /move against the odd indulgence/action/control of outsiders that truly gives the impression that " Lagos is no man's land.

nnamdi640:
This one is already in pain. Don't pour your hatred on innocent people

Do you call demolition of baby factories , fake drug/drug e.t.c structures as a fight against innocent people , you are funny , just to be mild.

Italy from May 31 to June 12

Italy lost Europa league final.

Italy lost Europa Conference league final

Italy lost UEFA champions league final

Italy lost U - 20 FIFA WORLD Cup final

Italy lost Sylvio Bellosconi

OH ITALIA!

nnamdi640:
Go and do your own research if you really want it badly.

All lie talk from you.

nnamdi640:
Who told you that our place is not developed, you just continue spreading rumors as a result of hatred you have towards Igbos, remove Lagos State that was developed as a result of initially been the federal capital territory, which other states in southwest is developed. Imo State alone is more developed that any states in southwest accept for Lagos, talkless of Anambra

So you are now satisfied with the development in your region and. there is no need for development again including those dirty places in Aba & co.

Ibadan, Akure, Abeoku e..t.c. are better than your region you wanderers don't want to stay in.

Is Lagos sstill fct, no hatred though.

ginggerxy:
I'm glad you can recall that the statement was attributed to lateef jakande . That's one point to note, You also made mention that we practice federalism which classifies everyone to a particular state of origin before residence right? You also said lagos state indegenes should be given some quota in the civil service and I can boldly say that statement is wrong and doesn't portray the lagos indegenes as being in charge of their polictical space. It's should be the lagos indegenes giving some quota to those within the catchment area maybe every SW state which is right. But here you carefully stated that some quota should be given to Lagos State indegenes, and I ask who is the person and where is the person from that is supposed to give them some quota in their own state? The lagos polictical space which makes the law is filled with other Sw state indegenes in the government house is not occupied by indegineous lagosian. Check the senators , house of reps and even state house of assembly they're not filled with indegeneous lagosians. Now who are those occupying those positions? Those are the people marginaling the indegineous lagosians. Not people that came to Lagos with their business plans rented shops or bought lands and established their business without government grant. You also made reference to what I said in the other post. That the government shouldn't dwell on Petty things and ignore the important thing . I really feel it's important if the look in to the welfare of the people from makoko slum which are historically part of the settlement of indegineous lagosians and other parts too. Give them grants to start their own business, pay them bursary and subsidize education for them and make sure their people take the number one sit in the state , and represent their people at their different senatorial zones.

Jakande or no Jakande, the statement is not as bad as those who have misunderstood it and acting badly, that's apart.

And it's erroneous of you to term someone's statement as wrong when you don't understand the breakdown and nitty-gritty of the point.

When you say it's wrong for Lagos indegenes to be given quota by those who you say have dominated them and it is Lagos indegenes that should be given quota to outsiders, this position is fair but if you want to be realistic, you know you can't just purge out those who you say are dominating the indegenes in Lagos State at once , just like that.

You say those dominating indegenes are in State House of Assembly, government house bla, bla, bla ..... are you saying there are no true Lagos indigenes in these and other positions too?

Let's assume there are very few or no Lagos indigenes in so many positions, this bill or this proposal will bring about change even if it's a gradual one.

It's like moulting in snake where you will have to shed the old skin and the new ones will emerge.

With this policy , Lagos will truly begin to be for Lagos and no more anyhowism in getting political and other offices.

And during the course of this evolution, you and your people who came from the south - east to come sell markets (goods), should always calm down, talk less and generate less controversy because it's a political evolution for indigenes of Lagos and not necessarily against outsiders , let's wait first.

ginggerxy:
Do you know the origin of that statement lagos is no man's land? I just hope you understand that the statement was meant to present lagos state as home of opportunities for all? And that was lateef jakandes speech. Will you kill jakande because he said so? And how did that statement affect the lives of indegenes of lagos State? You give so much energy on petty things and neglect the important ones . Typical of Africans. And please aside Igbos "allegedly" saying lagos is no man's land, what bad things are they doing in lagos again? Please just list a few ? Because you can't keep accusing someone of doing bad things without giving examples of what they did . You keep saying you're not a hater which I agreed to, but then you have to tell me those bad things.

Or else if you are ignorant of it albinitio, I know about it long time ago that the statement "Lagos is no man's land" is attributed to Lateef Jakande, a man from Kwara state and is done in supposedly good faith to suggest Lagos is land of opportunity where all can make it, even though I belief the man would have been circumspect in such speech , if he had known that such statement will be misdirected to mean " Lagos doesn't belong to any particular indigenes, unlike other states that if you arrive Lagos this morning you can begin to raise your shoulders in the afternoon claiming you are also the indegenes of the place , and that's is what " a no man's land " mean in direct interpretation and such has been expressed many times , which is wrong!

If they describe your father's land as no man's land, the direct meaning of it and with such cautiousness in people , the result you've been getting in Lagos is what you will get.

Indigenes of a state can be given some quota in state civil service for instance, bursaries, catchment in University admission, Subsidy in education, health services e.t.c

This is Federalism , a state is not just in a name , they have their indegenes and if you call it a no man's land , then people can leave your father's land say Anambra this morning and land in Lagos and also feel entitled and demand for what was listed above with immediate effect , what they should enjoy in their state, that is what " a no man's land" means.

These are some examples, other exist in other areas , it's not everything a state has in mind for his indigenes , that others will be making a noise or lamenting about.

This is different from outright discrimination since non - indigenes will still live in the state and enjoy some benefits, a reminder that indegenes exist in every state and we have state of origin and not state of residence in this country, but Lagos has been cheated, raped and dominated overtime by outsiders making ungrateful comment and tend to forget their origin.

And stop this stupid act of personalizing the issues , am I the one making the plans, is it not issues in the news that is on the table?

" Concentrate on petty things and ignore the important ones " nonsense!

Jeffy1206:
you try small but I'll give you 5/100 👍

If you visit your elders (who are enlightened & not emotional ),

Or do site visit, meet researchers, meet professors of Geography, Anthropology, History and the likes and present them with what I have served you , they will score it 100/100 because it's a known fact for the enlightened, there is no controversy in it , only if one is emotional or unenlightened.

More examples ijaw in Bayelsa and ijaw in Rivers are the same people in different states, who spread over the two states even before any boundary is drawn, before Nigeria is formed , let alone Rivers and Bayelsa state.

ginggerxy:
What mad thing has the Igbos done in lagos exactly? Just give me example. Because in all what I have been seeing no body has actually said the bad things the igbo did in lagos state. If you know anyone say it, and don't run away from the question .

What do you mean about running away from the question? do you think IAM a hater !? No!
I have all tribes around me, some are my families .

I ve been told personally by an Igbo person that Lagos is a no man's land, until he was strongly opposed,God is my witness, only if you don't believe in God .

I don't know if the same has been said to another person , but we shouldn't assume that the place is without indegenous people and our body language should not suggest that and why not ?! people should carry on with their business and wait for what is going to be done , no panic.

I wish Lagos is decongested and other parts of the country are relatively peaceful and are also well developed , because people come in thousands /per second , even from another country.

Lagos is the smallest state, and if the authority are in for a bit of control ,we shouldn't see things from point of politics.

ginggerxy:
Then why trying to make it look like it's other ethnic groups living in Lagos (especially the Igbos) are the ones subjugating Lagos State indegenes? You are happy the state assembly is trying to make law that will protect the indegenes of Lagos State? if that's actually what that law is to address , then it should be to stop people like Tinubu, sanwo olu, fashola from becoming Lagos State governor. At the bolded , it's the mad man who is always first to call others mad.

Have they mentioned you or mentioned any Igbo , they say they want to improve their indigenes and you Igbos are unsettled, are you the only tribe in Lagos?
If you had not done mad thing, then you wouldn't have been served mad food.
You are mad because you acted that way, by abusing him first.

nnamdi640:
Trust us, we do joke with our home town, unlike some people that don't know where they came from

Those people who don't know where they came from are part of you now ...