allCopacetic:


The question should be, why would you want your perimeter light on at all times in the first place....when for the larger percentage of the time it is neither providing illumination to anybody around, nor deterring intrusion....

makes sense,

bizzle2:

You see what I'm talking about.... Both your insults and your idiocy are displayed here.
You claim not to be accuising me of being a fraud,
But you are here constantly calling me a dishonest fellow. But you are yet to show a single shred of your so-called dishonesty
I just showed evidence of the condition and description of the phone i sold in good faith. Do you see more of how wrong you are.

I also recall describing in my thread the exact building where the price of the g3 screen was obtained.
A sensible man is careful with his words. Once spoken they can never be taken back. And irreparable damage is done.

Take it easy bro, i understand your anger, but you need to learn to ignore certain type of comments. Not every statement deserves a response. Even though i know it's a little different when your reputation is being questioned, but nevertheless...
I know you as a gentleman oo, I surprise for this kyn cursing & vexation

gambus007:

Like i said conflict is inevitable. am not faking maturity.dia is what is called rethink and i have to reposition myself back to.....so sorry! i rest my case

To be honest, that's a pretty lame apology.

Out of curiosity i went through most of the communication between you two, and I'm still yet to understand your exact reason for pegging him a fraud, a dishonest seller , having no conscience etc. those are very very strong words my frnd.
Stating a different price from what you believe to be the price of a screen is that it That's wrong man, very wrong. There's absolutely no justification for such reckless slander .
98% of aftermarket parts in Nigeria are low quality variants. That's the simple truth ...that's what you'll find in all aftermarket shops, and that's what most people know. You should have simply stated the price you know and left it at that. Instead of implying that he was intentionally being dishonest with the price he stated.

If he has never defrauded you or anyone you're aware of , then your statements are actually "Libel" and such character defamations are chargeable in court.

I have bought an original pair of Rayban sunglasses and a Sony Vaio notebook from the same person, without even meeting one on one. I received them in Abuja and they were exactly as described, so i was suprised to see his angry comments.
The problem with situations like this is ....even when you realize you're wrong , spoken words are like spilled water. You can't take it all back, that's why we have to be careful with the things we say in public.

Lifted1:

...and you both don't have a C of O....

@excuzeme the above was the premise of my position to start with.

Excuzeme:
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There have been many of such cases already decided in LAW COURTS Sir.

The position of the law is that whoever owns something FIRST, has a SUBSISTING Right of Ownership on the same thing, if he/she has not contracted to sell/transfer such right to another person.

Whoever has the first 'properly processed' C of O is the owner of the land.

Its not about what each party thinks, it is about what the LAW/COURTS say.
You can both compare the documents you have and it will be obvious to both of you who is at fault.
But you can still decide not to accept the glaring truth.

The second person who carries another C-of-O on the same land with a prior C of O is carrying a counterfeit C of O because a land should have only one ownership. He was DUPED by Civil Servants who issued him a C of O on a land already rightfully acquired and properly processed by the same authority.

I am not a Lawyer Sir so dont take my word too seriously.

That's my point exactly, you're making it sound like it's so easy to settle these kind of issues out of court over a bottle of b beer.
They are both agitated, they both strongly believe in rightful ownership, so the next logical step would be going to court.
So your position that the individual who lost the case lost his chance at making a truce by proceeding to court in the first place is contradictory, he's not in court because he's stubborn, he's in court because he seeks validation of his ownership claim as does the other party

allCopacetic:

Yes we do

Oh, i thought it was limited to the items in your catalogues, I'll be in touch thanks.

Excuzeme:


Sir,
I said this is all hypothetical. We are just saying all these for discussion-sake.

But if one buys a land and is duped by an omo-Onile (your example), the best thing to do is to still go through the steps l mentioned earlier, as reproduced below:


- Own-up first and accept responsibility that you were duped by Omo-onile (It is still not your land, you were only duped)
[s]-Apologize for your greed and show remorse (fake or real)[/s]
-Put an irresistible offer on the table for the victim (real owner) to consider.
-Do everything to prevent the aggrieved from seeking Justice in a Law Court
- if Victim is still adamant they want their thing back, U GIVE TI TO THEM (it was never yours in the first place).

What you must never do is GO TO COURT with the real owner, employ Lawyers to defend you on trying to take what does not belong to you (you were duped so you should take the fraudster-Omo-Onile to Court so they can refund your money and get punished) and then expect any sympathy at the end of the day, if you lose the case!

The moment you start defending your position (taking what you know rightly belongs to another person) IN COURT, then you lose any sympathy you would have got from anyone who stands with Justice.

Buying or selling it is at the discretion of the rightful owner. \
The bad blood caused by the court case makes such situation very unlikely, in real situations

The question then arises.... who determines the rightful owner, because as far as both parties are concerned each believes himself the rightful owners.
If you're sitting in your house and somebody shows up one morning telling you have built on his land, and you both don't have a C of O, do you just cede your property like that?? Absolutely not.. you go to court.

Excuzeme:


The real owner could have lost the land to the fraudster as well.

it should be executed to the letter to send a message to other greedy usurpers.

Reasonableness, Empathy, Right/Wrong thinking, e.t.c are meant for sensible people and sensible people dont take what belongs to others,

l am yet to see one person or example who displayed such "sensibleness" in this type of land matter.
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In response to the first three paragraphs.... innocent people buy resold lands everyday, infact a good number of land disputes are between parties who were sold the same land by the thieving omoniles. So assuming the builder is greedy or a fraud is a little rash.

And i know atleast three such situations in which the house builder had to re-buy the land from the party that won the case. Right here in okota , no be say them say.

In any case no body is really sure of the circumstances surrounding the demolition. Such waste just doesn't make any sense to me

Excuzeme:


You are right on one side of the coin.

On the other side, if it was your land that someone forcefully acquired and rushed a building on it thinking you cant do anything once he builds on it.
You took pains to go to court and finally, got a judgement that he should remove his building.
Would you ASK THE GOVERNMENT TO BE SENSIBLE AND GIVE THE UNFORTUNATE OWNER TO RIGHTLY PROCURE IT?

I am just asking o.

Greed is at the root of most problems.

Ofcourse ... the opportunity to "Rightly' procure it, which will obviously be from the genuine owner.
The owner of that building would gladly pay thrice the market value of that land than loose his whole investment. He might as well sell the building to the genuine land owner for whatever the land owner is willing to pay
There are various ways to resolve such situations without the needles waste.

allCopacetic:


the word is copacetic my good sir, so basically... allCopacetic.

10mm x 4c armoured
For Nigerchin - 2000-2100
For coleman - 2500-2700
used to be in the same range but Coleman is currently more expensive for 10mm

short lengths/off cuts are generally a little cheaper than drum cuts (hence the price range), because for short lengths you have to buy "as is".
i.e if there is an offcut of 15m and what you actually need is 14m or 16m you'll have to go for the 15m anyways.

95mm x 4c
Nigerchin- not sure
Coleman- 13800-14000

Busbar - dependent on brand

Ohh, my bad sir.
makes sense now.
Thanks for the kind response. Do you sell cables too?

danowena:
I saw this on another thread. Very sad. I wonder how many millions have been made waste through this demolition exercise by LBS in Lagos

This is the more reason it is wise to do your due deligence. Pay good lawyers to investigate ur land properly so you won't waste millions trying to save a few thousand naira.

Gaddam !! In this era of change?

Is this economic waste really necessary? In the name of wetin?? Even if the land was wrongly acquired, a sensible leadership would give the unfortunate owner an opportunity to rightly procure the land.

Due diligence is indeed necessary

Afternoon house, please i would like an idea of the prices of the below items

10mmx 4c armored (Coleman/Nigerchin)
95mm armoured for upriser. " "
200A Busbar

@allocapcetic and all the electrical bosses your input will be greatly appreciated .
Thanks

Okay, ...... after the law prevents your land from being grabbed , and you proceed to apply your hard earned kobo to develop or build on your land.....Where does the inhumane and continued extortion of hapless citizens at different building stages fall into?

segzy14:


Contact allCopacetic on Nairaland, he sold them to me.

Thank you. I have reached out to him.
I have also forwarded your contacts to an acquaintance who might be needing your service soon, great work.

segzy14:
more pics

There are really lovely,
Will you be kind enough to share the cost and possibly location of purchase,
Thanks.

Pls forward most recent to idowu.oluwole84@gmail.com

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oshey!
@ thegame , guy you sef your oversabi too much. y'all need to chill

bizzle2:
did you say pride? pride? lol, look brah, you definitely shouldnt be the one giving that lecture. when you call and sound like youre giving me handouts and i'm supposed to be grovelling that you're even making me an offer. or like no one else will make the purchase if you dont. serzly ? . to be quite frank i was quite put off by the unnecessary aroro, and u seem to exaggerate alot. most of your offers were made on whatsapp and the call u put through wasnt even up to 3 mins, whats with the blowing out?
on top of that i put an item up for 18k, gave u a 1k discount and you were still haggling over 500 bucks, serzly man.

about sustaining relationships, the guy who bought one of the very first items i ever sold on Nairaland still hits me up till date , that was about two years or more back , even the gentleman who bought the retina mac pro i sold recently still calls just to say Hi or to ask little questions. and í'm talking high value purchases'. if you're in doubt i could invite them to this thread.

So Brah, My personality is Who I am, My attitude depends on who you are. being polite doesnt necessarily imply being sheepish. I dont have to kiss your feet or dance to your tune to be polite. speaking of polite i just looked you up and i see you conveniently ignoring people's offers on your samsung notebook/play station thread and you're lecturing me about being a polite and courteous seller; meanwhile what you primarily do on other people's threads is criticiize, complain and whine...

And for the record, I'm not a sunglass vendor. so when i say i'm just giving this away/selliing at almost the cost I mean exactly that, if it was for profit it wouldn't be worth the stress.
I try to be as polite and courteous as I can, and i avoid cocky and shrewd people, and those who like to take advantage of others. because i cant stand them. If I am nothing at all, I'm Honest and direct.

Sweet sweeet machine , used a friends's for just about half an hour . i detested my own notebook ever since
Hold on for me OP I dey save up

Damn, this is one lovely piece of machine....watched the second video and couldnt stop laughing

dis is prob one of the most sensible replies in this thread..... the how,who or where of the op's predicament cannot be ascertained at the moment. but the right to protection in the event of such can be. I recently watched a prog on NTA (late last week or earlier in the week dnt recall xactly) about the probs of ATM service in Nigearia and a victim of ATM fraud spoke on how he was defrauded to the tune of 450,000 he filed a suit against the bank, the court ruled in his favour and the bank was instructed to pay the said amount WITH INTEREST, so that got me thinking ...if the court ruled in his favour, there jst myt be laws protecting us that we completely unaware of. I for one don't hv much faith in the judicial system here so I like plenty odas myt not think of legal redress

KokoBeware: CBN needs to force these banks to insure card against such happenings because the bank can obviously trace the money......

lmfao

xynerise: @op. When your father reminds you of your age.

folks jst aint getting it , nobody's saying its a crime for dbanj to be in a photo wiv big sean or whoever, heck he cud evn take shots wt bieber for all I care, ..point is he's like an entertainment king here but ova dere...hes barely significant. i'm not gonna say he should of shouldn't hv done dis or dat. only time will tell hw great a decision his move was..
and about khalifa, the devils drug peddler...the dude resemble half past dead. smh,..dts part of wt a life of sudden wealth and fame can do to ya. katt Williams once joked dat sometimes being broke is a blessing...it protects u frm sm typa shyt, including yourself.

LOL, like serzly

tayoccu:

Erm you do know this thread is 7 years old right?

@ poster, wts d word on experience level and disciplines for engineers.