₦airaland Forum

BlueRayDick:
I didn't watch Madrid vs Girona yesterday so I'm in no position to judge the highest performers in the game.

Shebi u are a Madrid fan , oya name the top 3 performers in the Madrid side of 2022, I want to check something .

The fact that u think Kroos was one of the top 3 performers for Germany in the 2014 World Cup shows u no know ball as much as u think u do.

PS : I am willing to bring player ratings for each games in each of the two competitions aforementioned.

Feel free to bring ratings from opta, squawka and whoscored so we rate the players😎

BlueRayDick:
I didn't watch Madrid vs Girona yesterday so I'm in no position to judge the highest performers in the game.

Shebi u are a Madrid fan , oya name the top 3 performers in the Madrid side of 2022, I want to check something .

The fact that u think Kroos was one of the top 3 performers for Germany in the 2014 World Cup shows u no know ball as much as u think u do.

Name the top performers for Germany in that 2014 world cup.

You don't watch Madrid games bro, so I nor fit indulge you. Because you go run go look awards.

2022 the very top performer was Courtios. Then we have 3 spots you can share between Kroos, benzema, vini, modric and casemiro. Bonus mention goes to Camavinga, rodrygo and fede.

But the number 1 performer was Courtios

TrebleChamp:
Xavi will play Modric and Kroos role and play it better at Madrid, Kroos is a very exceptional midfielder, but comparing him to the god of midfield, the Controller-General in chief of midfield is an insult. Like Raumdeuter said, choose wisely who you compare your fav player with.

What is this?
When has xavi played as a DM consistently?
This season and last season, Kroos has had to play the DM while still creating chances and helping to protect the defence. (Tchoumeni's first season was rough for him)
In yesterday's game against girona, Kroos had to sit deep not just to orchestrate play but protect the defence because we have been playing without our first choice CB's.
Militao, rudiger, nacho, Alaba all injured. Tchoumeni dey play for CB once once.

Better behave yourself.
Put xavi in that position if madrid will not die.
That short fvck

"xavi na god controller"
Oya show me workings, you dey bring YouTube for me.
Like say Kroos nor dey the YouTube.

I'm sure when we have the modric vs iniesta debate here, people will cry.

Naso Ibime dey tell me say xavi dey better than Zidane 😂

izzou:
[color=royalblue]Kroos doesn't play in a possession based team

Then you went ahead to compare, and even rate him over someone that plays in a possession based team.

Ehn, Prosper?[/color]

Bros each team has their football philosophy.
It shows just how great Kroos is.
He still is a high volume passer while maintaining a minimum of 90% degree of success year in year out.
Check the number of passes madrid makes each year against Barcelona (in terms of total oo not vs) and check who is responsible for the number.
Take out Kroos and that number deeps for madrid.

Without xavi, the tiki taka went on for years.
Like Ibime would note, iniesta leaving caused the tiki taka to start dying

Android17:
You don't need to rob Peter to pay Paul. Xavi is better than Kroos but Kroos is one of the greatest midfielders of all times. You don't stay in Bayern and RM this long and be average. Our issue generally is in assuming any player that is not considered in GOAT debates should be rendered useless or we are a tad too radical in our player to player comparisons that we amplify the worst attributes of any player we want to say is inferior to our preferred.

Yaya Toure does not have to become rubbish because I want to say KDB is City's best ever player. Same way Kroos does not have to be scum for Xavi to be better. Xavi is objectively better because he revolutionized the CM role and showed more leadership and peak consistency but Kroos was a necessary part of a European dynasty that started from his WYC 2007 days in the German National team, playing finals of many FIFA, UEFA and I think Olympic games to Bayern's winningnest team, to RMs most successful UEFA CL team. Kroos typifies the much famed German precision and accuracy. He was a 96 at his peak but played at 82-91 for any other season than his peak while Xavi was a peak 100 who also had 70-ranked years atleast in his earlier career days. In other words Xavi's highs outstrip Kroos' but so does his low. We should be cognizant of this.

. If this was 2017 then I'd go with this.

But we are in 2023 and xavi has been surpassed.

The only person I can be arguing for is modric vs iniesta and that is subjective.
Imagine blaming Kroos because pep went to play high line against prime BBC.

Who does that?? 😂😂😂

BlueRayDick:
See this one o; he's looking for escape route after comparing legend to regulars. So what happened to the years before he called FIFA out ?

We are still waiting for u to point out one single tournament triumph Kroos' teams had and Kroos was one of their best 3 players . We Dey wait because u need to explain to us how a player who u claim to be so good on the world scene would not even be one of his own team's top 3 players . Make it make sense na.

I'm sorry who was our 3 best players when we won the UCL in 2022?
Who was German's top 3 best player during the 2014 world cup?
Who was our top 3 best player when we won la liga in 2019?
Who was our top 3 best player when we won la liga, UCL, super copa and cwc in 2022?

How well do you watch our games?
If I ask you yesterday who were the top 3 best players against girona, who would you mention?

Ibime:
For posterity

In Xavis most dominant passing season in laliga, he averaged 124 passes per game at 95% success rate

In Kroos most dominant passing season in laliga, he averaged 83 passes per game at 93% success rate

Don't talk this thing outside again.

Xavi is the nigga that sucks the oxygen out of any midfield battle. He never allowed dem breeeeeeeeevve

Again Kroos doesn't play in a possession based team oooooo.
And please give me details or links to this state you got so I can read it too.

TrebleChamp:
This Xavi is who Prosper is comparing to Kroos, this Controller-General in Chief of Midfield.
This disrespect deserve punishment


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfHhhyWAUZE?si=lOEW5Aa7R_QlWt7s

This is funny because all those turnings xavi is doing to escape being tackled, Kroos uses a single first touch to take out people.
Just a single first touch.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_vrz-_kuaE?si=lBODTdnhlYM1Nfzi

BlueRayDick:
Na anecdotal evidences like " highest chances created " we go chop ? Did he create the most assists in a World Cup winning team in Germany and Champions league winning team in Madrid ?

Na him be Ororo wey dey score the goals ? Na him be Ramos ?

All this ur chances created superstory, I believe none moved Ballon D'or and FIFA to place him above Kroos at any point in their respective careers. For ur information Xavi made Ballon D'or 3rd place 3 times in his career and na him gamesmanship place him there.

Like I said earlier , I just like to create argument out of thin air for fun. Xavi and Kroos were never close .

What is your expectation of Toni Kroos if you have him in your team?
If you are using fifa awards for Kroos then I will not argue with you because Kroos in the last couple of years doesn't even get featured on fifa because he has called them out.
Everybody knows this but it seems I will have to educate you.

Ibime:
Real Madrid talks

If Xavi and Zidane play midfield in their prime, Zidane won't even see ball

Lmao.. Xavi can keep the ball, Zidane will keep the number midfielder tag.
They are not on the same level. Okay?

DissTroy:
Ironically, the same website you quoted posited Kroos isn't fit to lace Xavi's boots, while calling Xavi "the engine room".

https://therealchamps.com/2017/05/28/toni-kroos-hardly-xavis-heir-xabi-alonsos-heir/

How about that for a reply? Shooting you with your own gun.

This was 2017 when we were about to defend our UCL (which we did)
Please tell us where this site said Kroos could not lace Xavi's boot?
Because this is what the site said.

It basically said Kroos is not the heir to anyone because he is his own beast and he is unique.
2017-2023 is 6yrs and Kroos has gone on to win 3 more UCL while reaching the semi finals every season except 2018(lost Ronaldo) and 2019 (of which we won la liga)

Comprehension has never been an issue for you, so why start now?

Lmao.. Not one start to show xavi is better

You just dey shout the same regurgitated point.
You call am trailer, I've shown you videos with his first touches taking out players.
There's evidence showing him being more creative than xavi at a more efficient rate too😂.

Make Kroos retire first, we will then know who is who in the midfield hierarchy.
Nobody is touching Zidane.
We will argue from 2nd position 😁

Ibime:
Which pass completion?

I guess Casemiro does not exist

It is not our fault that Kroos is too heavy to leave the semi circle outside his box despite having Casemiro to protect him and Modric doing all his running. Trailer

Casemiro protects Kroos?
Ibime you don't watch real madrid and the more you talk, the more you expose your lack of depth.
I get it.

BlueRayDick:
Somebody up there has told u that the champions league winning streak of Madrid ; Kroos was not among the top 3 most important players for Madrid. As a Madrid fan u should know that is a fact !

Also, the 2014 World Cup triumph of Germany Kroos was not among the best 3 German players in that team.

That can never be Xavi either in Spain or Barca . Xavi is who everybody that watched him saw him to be. No amount of revisionism can suddenly make Kroos better than him. Na only for ur mind and few misguided Madrid fans Kroos better than Xavi

How can the madrid midfielder with highest chances created not be important nau?
Which kind beer parlor talk be this 😂

Ibime:
How many assist does Kroos have?

Is Kroos an advanced midfielder?
Why are you asking a deep lying midfielder how many assists he has?
How many chances has xavi created compared to Kroos?
Who has a higher pass completion rate between both especially attacking wise?
Xavi has more assist than iniesta and yet iniesta shits on him when it comes to influencing the game especially in Barcelona 😎

BlueRayDick:
Prospa practically creates arguments out of thin air . That's the only explanation for comparing Xavi with Kroos . Even Madrid fans know Xavi is a midfield maestro through and through

Lmaooo which madrid fan nau.
You think say we dey 2014?

Go ask on twitter if argument nor go begin.
It's the same way madrid fans will tell you modric is better than iniesta.

Ibime:
Xavi could never

Oga.. Kroos has more successful passes into the final 3rd than xavi in the ucl.
Feel free to confirm.

Also with better completion percentage too.

DissTroy:
Kroos was never in the conversation for the top 3 most influential players in the Madrid UCL-winning teams and the WC German team.

The IG model, Benzema, Modric, Ramos, and Casemiro were more decisive than him for the Madrid team.

Muller, Boateng, Neuer, and even Lahm were more influential to the German World Cup success.
----

In contrast, Xavi was Spain's and Barcelona's top 3 player for all of the stretched periods of dominance. So much so there's still a debate if he was denied a Balon d'Or or two - something nobody has said about Kroos.

Who be this man?
KCM was dubbed because of all 3 of them.

https://therealchamps.com/2022/06/01/toni-kroos-best-passer-champions-league-history/

Read and confirm the stats mentioned there.
It's not by noise.

Ibime:
Kroos is a possession based player. Xavi could never lose possession battle once much less umpteen times a season like Kroos

BTW, don't think there's any attacking stats you can bring to put Kroos over Xavi

Lmao.
You are sure about that last statement? 😁.

Toni Kroos is a controller in a madrid team.
We are not possession based Bros.
Drop Kroos with Pep then you'll see madness and even at that he still has more passes in the UCL than someone like rodri (anchor) who is in a pep team😁

Emaprince:
Which kind argument be this? Kroos is a nobody in the world of football.

He is just decent. Nothing else. I have never seen anything special about him. Xavi is a controller. Half turns everywhere, while kroos is still turning like trailer. He cant even wriggle his way out of tight situations.

Let xavi attempt this.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_vrz-_kuaE?si=TPnuskmH2p4oA6bE

Or this



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7baQ-o-yjc?si=NKNuUwHNfeDp0LSs

Incognito9:
You go soon see tree and iniesta picture 😆

That na the tree business.
But the decline of Barcelona was after iniesta left and not xavi.

Godx:
Tell us how kroos led Bayern Munich midfield to the champions league then list your 5 important players in your b2b champions league run. Madrid fan the floor is yours.

Bros na you talk something.
You said I lied.. Oya show how I lied in his importance in all 5 of his UCL win.
Not 1.
All 5 of them.
I added the fifa wc as bonus to give you more ammunition.

Ibime:
These possession stats can never be Xavi

Bros you sef fear God.
Is madrid a possession based team?
Abi you think say I be small pikin? You are using football philosophy of club to judge player😂😂.

Ibime, let's look at chances created, let's look at passes completed especially percentage into the final 3rd.
Lets look at defensive contributions.

You are a numbers guy.

Godx:
Kroos the miracle worker leading Bayern midfield from house. Somebody that played only 30mins from quarterfinal to final led them. When they want to count top 5 important players in that Madrid run kroos won't even be mentioned.

Lmao.. Please count the 5 important players in the 4 UCL Madrid won that Kroos partook in.

I am waiting.
Also count the important players in the German team that won the world cup in 2014😁

Incognito9:
You dey praise iniesta where ibime dey 😆

Yes.. Because person like Ibime nor fit appreciate iniesta or modric😂

Ibime:
You can ask his coaches

Lmaooo this man went to bring fans comment after a game.

The season of Rafael benitez, please tell the house what trophy we won?
Because that was the same season Zidane took over😁.
Common don't be shy.
Tell us

BlueRayDick:
I read he has 4 kids; so I'm guessing he has 3 surviving children whose lives will never remain the same again .

Life will just humble u! Just last week his university made the news about their fees that are to be paid in dollars . All of that and more he has left behind. Chai!

Kobe again

Ibime:
Go and rest. Barca stopped dominating in 2013/14 when Xavi started having Achilles problem. 2015 win was built on pragmatism and swift counters rather than tikitaka. Kroos is nowhere near Xavi in this life or next

You must be pulling things out of your arse to think Barcelona's Triumph after xavi wasn't also hinged on iniesta performing in midfield. Iniesta showed how he was more important than xavi.
Kroos on the other hand has consistently demonstrated his level of importance.
He is 34 and we are begging him to renew.

Again
Kroos led midfield has delivered 5UCL while winning b2b2b. Brother that is dominance

Aturitoroman:
Kroos a lazy player? Lmao, the kind funny things we do read here

guy.. Ibime nor dey watch Kroos.
I just confirm am with that statement 😂

Ibime:
Kroos is a lazy player who could have been greater. He carries a bit too much weight and is a bit too heavy to make space for every pass like Xavi

Kroos is a lazy player?
Kroos?
The same player who is practically playing as a dm/playmaker this season.
Ibime e clear say you never watch Kroos in a long time.

Na Liverpool fans suppose talk about am😂

TrebleChamp:
Kroos passes are similar to Scholes passes, Kroos is a very exceptional midfielder but Xavi remains the Controller-General of Midfield. No play in his generation comes close in that department....

Kroos is on a different level to Scholes.
Please abeg don't insult Kroos.

Kroos is a better passer and is way more consistent than Scholes was abeg.
Levels dey this thing