₦airaland Forum

Reyginus:
Trolling does not make one a Judas if not you'd be one too. When people troll do that by shifting from your opinion.

Did I mention "trolling"?

Logicbwoy:
When did derailing and cyvber-bullying become a "differing opinion"?

Tufanja:
I am surprised that a contribution full of ignorance, as that of the dblackninja is even liked and shared by you. Its disappointing that you who finds his pride in logic reasoning doesnt see the problem in that contribution. Didnt u notice i even didnt do efford to respond to it? I only do that when the level of reasoning is too depressing...

I dont follow anybody, also not reyginus, so calm down, i m a leader not a follower. Take some icecream to lick :p

So, what about your friend, LOJ that still agrees that colonization is a major problem?

Are you going to listen to him?

LoJ:
Hello to all.
There is no need to indulge in personal attacks and remarks, especially since we are in an anonymous forum. Whatever someone is or pretends to be, is of no value here, let's try to stick to the issues.

On the issue at stake here - Colonization - I think Logicbwoy is right. I do not always agree with his methods and remarks, but on this issue, simple objectivity can't deny he is right.

First of all, some of you speak as if colonization is something of the Past. Whereas we all know, it is still very living, although in some parts of Africa like in the francophone part of Africa, the impact is heavier.

Reyginus:
Are you sure? Or you can't stand a human being like you having a different opinion?

When did derailing and cyvber-bullying become a "differing opinion"?

LoJ:
Hello to all.

There is no need to indulge in personal attacks and remarks, especially since we are in an anonymous forum. Whatever someone is or pretends to be, is of no value here, let's try to stick to the issues.

On the issue at stake here - Colonization - I think Logicbwoy is right. I do not always agree with his methods and remarks, but on this issue, simple objectivity can't deny he is right.

First of all, some of you speak as if colonization is something of the Past. Whereas we all know, it is still very living, although in some parts of Africa like in the francophone part of Africa, the impact is heavier. Those in the know, should just follow the geopolitics of countries like Ivory Coast, Cameroon, Niger, etc. or discuss with citizens of those countries. On request, I may deepen this, with concrete facts and examples, but is it really necessary for any objective mind?

Furthermore, to claim that Christianity built Europe, is to look at history with apologetic intends. Europe experienced (economic and societal) growth and freedom due to rationalism and the age of enlightenment. Religion in itself is neutral. It is men that use it to contribute or prevent development. And in History, all religions have been used for both purposes, and it should be noted than religions have usually prevented (economic/societal) development rather than promote it. Before the age of Enlightenment and rationalism in europe, it was superstition, monarchy, despotism, and of course poverty for the masses, and this is well documented.

The present problem of the Europe is not the fall of Christianity. The present problem of Europe is the negative long term repercussions of his actions of the past. The western world has failed to live to the level of their noble ideology in their interaction with other people. They preached equality but actively promoted superiority. They spoke about freedom of all, but enslaved others. In doing so, they created a context in which, the european paradigm would benefit them and them only. In such a context, all the people from impoverished nations around -many of those nation being poor thanks to imperialism - developped some form of hatred and anger, which although unethical, is understandable.

Yes, there are internal reasons that explain why Africa is Backward. Among these is a culture of accommodating to life circumstances rather than fighting against life and the gods (like the greeks) and striving to find internal happiness in the midst of the storm. This however, is not sufficient argument to claim that the impact of colonization and neo colonization should be minimized.

Again, there are other cultures and people who have been enslaved. Some managed to get out of it quicker than africans, and some other did not manage, and did not even survived. Nothwithstanding, this is no sound basis for Comparison. Because the way people and cultures have been put under the yoke and the aim of their "masters" differ. In the case of Africa, the spiritual and cultural foundation of the continent has been destroyed fundamentally and this is not easy to recover from.

Colonization is no reason to remain helpless and powerless. Africa shall rise again. However, every good cure should start by an objective diagnosis, rather than just blaming.

Greetings to all.

*applause*


You have said it all. I completely agree with you assessment of the colonization issue. Many people also do not see that it was a secular enlightenment that gave Europe its civilization


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However, I think you misunderstand me. I can be civil but unfortunately, I am a product of my environment. You see, I am reacting to the situation I have been put into. There are people on this very thread that conspired against me. Even your friendly Tufanja insulted my mother once- as a result of rolling with ishilove. See how bad friends can influence people?

So please, do not be suprised if I respond negatively to certain people- it is for a purpose.

Reyginus:
He needs our love.

sonOfLucifer:
Lol. He's always had it.

May the ancestors that be, never allow me to receive the love of a Judas!


AMEN!!

Reyginus:
Lol. As long as you are not a Judas.

Reyginus:
Lol. As long as you are not a Judas.

Epic! Good answer!

I was friends with a muskeeto once. He became a Judas

Reyginus:
Lol. You don't want to know how far I've got about this angle.

Someone said you are my friend?

Are you my friend?

sonOfLucifer:
Everything has to be about you. Life must be lonely when you suffer from a 'Messiah' Complex. Keep making enemies of friends...

E pain am!!!!


Some people call me troll Jesus. I reason that I must be a Messiah in some ways

Reyginus:
I need to be convinced without reasonable doubt before I accept anything to be true. For the time being I stay on the fence.

Yet, you believe that an invisible man in the sky is controlling the universe.




dumbo

sonOfLucifer:
It's complex. Ours is a system that swallows those who try to operate on sound principles, we mock them for daring to be different... 'who u be', 'u think say u be jackie chan'.. we want quick fixes.. who e help? We feel no attachment to our environment, no obligation to do things right

BUT there is hope. There always is.

I can really relate to your comment! I remember a particular man from mars who scoffed at all of my efforts to create a humanist/atheist group. This particular man scoffed at my atheist hangout and my efforts to get a better non-christian chatbox, while he never did anything himself despite being an atheist.


Isn't life just interesting? A nairalander once told me that we all see ourselves as the good guy in the story......

Reyginus:
Lol. This boy again. But I recognized it as a problem so why am I still in your murky waters?

No. you misunderstand.

With regards to my mentioning of you, I was not talking about colonization per se. The point I was trying to make is that you don't listen when being corrected.

dblackninja:
My dear colonization is never used as a false excuse. It's the major cause why Nigeria is where it is today. Look @ the amalgamation of Nigeria. Is that really for a good cause!?


My people where living in peace with their laws before the colonists appear & with their brainswashing, all hell broke loose. I believe also that the northern part were at peace until the blood and gold thirsty Arabs started spreading their bloody religion to them. Then the laws of the land were followed strictly. No one exploits another with a textbook. They were hardworking people back then, but now, one man will take it upon himself to exploit the gullible ones. Collecting their money through dubious means and giving them condemned oil & adulterated water to use and kill their enemies by fire & you tell me such things exist back then..


No good at all. Whatever you may have perceived as good where brought to suite their life style and that of their children and also for milking us dry of our resources You don't need to be colonized in other to humanize and modernize.

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Tufanja, since you don't listen to me, I hope you listen to dblackninja- colonization is a major reason why Nigeria is bad. It is not a false excuse.



You have been corrected on your ignorance, dont follow Reyginus by arguing nonsense when you are wrong.

johnydon22:
If we all practised an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth the whole world would go blind or become toothless.

For a continuous existence of ourselves and humanity we must do away we the whole notion of retaliation and revenge..

My opinion

The lust for revenge can leave one full of hatred. But hatred is an emotion and we humans cant and shouldn't suppress our emotions all the time.

If someone killed your family member would you not feel like taking some revenge on the killer?


I have realised that many people actually take the moral high road on nairaland when it is easy. But in real life, they take the less moral road.


It is easy to be all moral online and say "no" to revenge but I tell you, revenge is a lust and it can be so sweet when you actually get your target.

Tufanja:
Logicbwoy, pls be serious for once and admit this comment is you playing with our feet. If this is serious, we need to book an appointment in a clinic for you. You cant be a self respecting well-thinking person and claim the above. We all have been witnisses of what happened in that threat. You want us to install an independent jury to finally discuss and settle this case so that your soul can be at rest forever and the healing of this big trauma in your life can finally start?

You were not mocked, and nobody really wants to mock you, but seems you love to be mocked, you are so begging for it...apparently that is the only love-language you know. Lemme teach you some other languages too ;-)

Tufanja:
HAHAHAHHAA...you have only exposed yourself now dear with this reply. Please drop the emotions. In times of need, you suddenly ask sonoflucifer for support to burn me down? Hahaha, aint your own raging fire of hate hot enough?

Please calm down and read (try to understand) what i said instead of doing what you do with everyone's post twisting around the true meaning.

You are clearly a product of the education system you so dislike yourself. Please read the contributions of Reyginus, way more balanced and also reflecting on the human nature self. Such contributions give food for thought...but seems you only want McDonalds and no real food to chew and digest well.

My points have been made. Both you and Reyginus like to talk about what you dont know.

Tufanja:
You have the tendency to be harsh on everyone, especially those who treat you kind. I know it is hard to accept some love, you have been disappointed so many times in your life before after all. To avoid any new disappointment, you try to hit on others until they hit back and then you will tell them their love was corrupt indeed and you were right in not trusting their love for you. But what is really corrupt is trying to put people to their edges to just find a fault in them and crucify them accordingly without ever know their real heart.

You are living so far from the essence, oh logicbwoy, and with it you deprive yourself of a lot of joy that can come from knowing people who are worth it to be known and to encourage one another in the tough journey life sometimes is. Don't you see that Reyginus is reading your personality why better than you do read his? Dont you even notice that he is having the patience and compassion of a father? Give up your fears for once, o boy.

You dont understand, I have a very angry reaction to silliness from other people. It is a disease that is consuming me.

Reyginus:
This one is very simple. Please get a quote where I supported Ishilove derailing your chatbox. Even after cautioning you two and you going ahead to break the silence first you come up with this? Are you all right?

Seriously?

Your folly is well documented on the non-christian chatbox. Over 20 pages of it.

You joined her to mock me, then over 15 pages later you tried to caution us- When you were even part of the derailment.



You are such a clown. Keep on amusing me.

cc Tufanja


You can still see the effects of colonization on American indians. Where are the native indians today in America? Decimated and depopulated.

Look at China, Japan and India- they are all better than Nigeria today because they resisted many aspects of colonization of the British. They never for once prioritized christianity over their local cultures and religions.


The Chinese, Japanese and Indians were not enslaved the way West African black people were. We were rape.d and brainwashed. Our educational system was rigged by the British- we dont teach our history of slavery. We worship a white Jesus and an Arab prophet. Democracy was forced on a country that should not have even existed.



Colonization will forever be a valid reason why Africa is like this today.

Tufanja:
I think that colonization should not always be used as a false excuse for everything. Don't read me wrong, I am in no way defending colonization. But I see it too often used as a false excuse, also typically part of the blaming culture overthere.

- You should study the mindset and the way people/tribes treated each other before colonization. It was not that rosy at all!!! So you wanna claim people where back then reasoning as rational beings, as free minds? Joker.
- You should look at the good and the bad something has brought. Not only highlight one side!
- You cant claim that somebody enslaved someone's mindset or that of a whole nation. Mindsets get only enslaved when you allow it to happen yourself or when you are too weak yourself
- Where exactly do you think the charm-bull*shit comes from, from the colonizators? Joker. It just shows you the artefacts of the time before colonization..so rosy...not.
- What religion do you think we had here in West-Europe before christianity came? Do you hear us blaming others for brainswashing us? No, we have adopted christianity to build up a civilization, which has produced great things, as much as bad things as well. Many of you are dying to come to europe, thinking it is heaven here..but forget that what europe makes attractive is what it thanks to the deep rooted christian foundation..the current crisis on europe can be partly explained by the vacuum that arises when you have no common shared moral reference anymore because with religion you also lose the norms and values that come with it....you are somehow not united into the same anymore...others who are, will replace it with theirs (like the islam) with all consequences.
- I can't count for how many times we as country were occupied by others, for long periods in history not allowed to practice our own religion, we were enslaved by the once who occupied, robbed of our properties, our land, our language, our freedom, killed, tortured, prosecuted...everything. Time after time in history. Do you think we still blame our current state on those periods? No, we don't carry the burden of the past but we are people focussed on making the future ourselves. This is what i call, taking responsebility instead of watching your belly button of the past.

One thing you didnt name but which might be a valid argument of the effect of colonization on the blaming mindset is that long term enslavement can take away the own sense of initiative of people, the feeling that they are responsible for their own actions and their own lives, that they should not wait for a corrupt government to get into motion, that they dont stare at leaders or pastors but stand up with grassroot projects of change themselves...When something is not happening, you should make it happen yourself. Youth should be activistic and mobilize themselves, create the solutions for their own problems....not lay down under a palmtree and complain about their phone not being charged thanks to fuel scarity while you lie down with your ass on oil. Where is the creative mind of the youth? The passion? The ambition? Where is the spark that can put a nation in fire? You are with so many...but where are your ideals? where is your vision for the future? why cant you never unite? Because you are deeply devided, and you were also deeply devided as tribes before colonization. Other nations only managed to become successful because they united forces and trusted one another. You dont trust not even your own father, mother, brother...thats the impression I get all the time.

Are you a racist or just ignorant?


Colonization is one of the major reasons Africa and not only Nigeria is not doing well.[b][/b]




Yes, there are other problems that we Nigerians ourselves are causing but to excuse the problems of colonization is clearly ignorant and racist.


And here you are praising christianity for Europe's civilization.



I did not know you were on the same level of ignorance as Reygi and Josh.



With this one comment, Tufanja, you have exposed yourself. Learn not to talk about things you do not know.

What a disappointment.




cc loj, muskeeto, sonoflucifer

Reyginus:
Of course sharia is a violation of the constitution. If you were honest enough the same Google that got you the above info should have also fetched you clear violations of the law. Read this:

'For record purposes, the Nigerian
Constitution does recognize in section 6, subsection 5, the following Courts: a) The Supreme Court of Nigeria, (b) The Court of
Appeal; (c) The Federal High Court; (d) The high Court of the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja; (e) the Sharia Court of Appeal of the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja; (f) a Sharia Court of Appeal of a State, (g) the Customary Court of Appeal of the Federal Capital Territory, Abuja; (h) a Customary Court of Appeal of a State; and (i) such other Courts as may be authorized by law to exercise
jurisdiction on matters with respect to which the National Assembly may make laws'.

What exactly do you think the above means? Oh! I forget easily. You don't even agree it's in the constitution. Read further:

'For the purpose of subsection (1)
of this section, the Sharia Court of Appeal shall be competent to decide-

(a) Any question of Islamic personal law regarding a marriage concluded in accordance with that law, including a question relating to the validity or dissolution of such a marriage or a question that depends on such a marriage and relating to family relationship or the guardian of an infant;

(b) Where all the parties to the proceeding are Muslims, any question of Islamic personal personal law regarding a marriage, including the validity or dissolution of that marriage, or regarding family relationship, a foundling or the
guardianship of an infant;

(c) Any question of Islamic personal law regarding a wakf, gift, will or succession where the endower, donor, testator or deceased person
is a Muslim;

(d) Any question of Islamic personal law regarding an infant, prodigal or person of unsound mind who is a Muslim or the maintenance or the guardianship of a Muslim who is physically or mentally infirm; or

(e) Where all the parties to the proceedings, being Muslims, have requested the court that hears the case in the first instance to determine that case in accordance with Islamic personal law, any other question'

Did I pull this out my ass or yours?

You keep proving my point. Rather than admit your ignorance or mistake, you keep powering through with more nonsense.


1) The fact remains that Sharia law is a violation of the constitution. That is a fact. Let's be clear that you were clearly wrong on that.

2) The other fact you seem not to realise is that having sharia courts is not a violation of a secular constitution or country. Britain has sharia courts but the sharia courts are only binding if-
a) Both parties agree to accept the ruling of the sharia courts beforehand i.e before the case
b) The sharia court does not go against the British law (In which a muslim can have the sharia courts decision voided). That is to say that the tradtional courts and british law supersedes the the sharia courts

3) Another fact that you are ignorant about is that the provisions for the sharia courts were an amendment- they were put in 1999 and not the earlier versions of the constitution.



Please, learn to either keep quiet or accept your mistake when someone corrects you.

Tufanja:
@Logicbwoy, thanks for the answers.

Your first post made (apart from some aspects) sense. However, your second post (@Reyginus) rides like a french car on a nigerian road...it will crash in the next pithole in the road (reality/fact check) and it provides enough firewood to even bbq our big meat sonoflucifer.

I have two additional questions for you (or to others who feel for sharing)

1. If you look critically in the mirror, how did growing up in such a context influence you, willingly or knowingly, in the positive and in the negative sense?

2. What strikes me when talking with Nigerians (and I know many), that there seems to be a general mentality (few exceptions excluded) among the majority of always blaming others, always overlooking the own role, contribution and personal responsibility by projecting the cause of any form of misfortune or bad tiding on others, history, collonisation, destiny, God, devil, parents, society, corruption, government, partner, etc. It is always someone else fault, mea culpa seems a very unknown concept. I see so little energy focussed on what is someone's own part in it, own role, what does a person self to make a change? Why critical on everybody but oneself? Why is there that constant blaming others and laying back mentality without giving oneself a quick a*ss and to become oneself the change one wanna see, to set the good example. Im not trying to stereotype here but I am just giving an observation from an external perspective of an approach that I saw again and again and that kept shocking me. It always gives that negative, not-constructive feeling. In a land cultivated by blame, nothing fruitful can blossom, even no weed can grow . What could be the cause of this mentality?

Peugeot (a french car) actually drives well in Nigeria.


As for the rest of your comment, stop encouraging Reyginus.

If you notice, I have a tendency to be harsh with Reyginus and Joshthefirst. Their ignorance is one of the worst kind of ignorance- educated ignorance.

These guys are educated but not sensible enough to accept where they are wrong or not knowledgeable enough.

I will leave you with a picture-


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HOW CAN A DOCTOR (JOSHTHEFIRST) THINK THAT A FETUS LOOKS ANYTHING LIKE THAT? SEE WHAT HYPER-RELIGIOUS ANTI-ABORTION STANCE HAS DONE TO A DOCTOR'S BRAIN? 90% OF ABORTIONS HAPPEN BEFORE THE END OF THE FIRST TRIMESTER (12-13 WEEKS) OF PREGANCY.

BEFORE THE END OF THE FIRST TRIMESTER, THE FETUS IS THE SIZE OF A KIDNEY BEAN WITH WEBBED FINGERS.

Reyginus:
You should have properly read my post to understand how to properly respond to it.

1. Your first point shows a lack of proper comprehension. Even when I wrote that it wasn't as if the History being taught was 'complete' you still couldn't see the point is simply what you have stressed yourself unnecessarily again to explain.

2. Another comprehension problem. I never said humans were made to take even the smelliest of bullshits. I simply said humans can take all kind of it. It is a matter of our ability as humans. So, you see, reasoning and deductions like this are part of the problem.

I have never shown any attitude that affirms your assumption that I want the atheist thread derailed over the Christian thread. This a wrong kind of reasoning stemming from a crazy mental invention. I hate all kind of negatives.

Your argument that I became an activist as a result of a ban also shows no logical sense. Assuming I was banned for words that are so powerful to term activism, how can one even begin to think that my activism, that is, the use of such words, started after the ban. It makes zero logical sense. If you were honest enough you'd have known introspection to he my thing. And how does one do that and still be bias? I'm being enjoying the benefits of self-disgust.

3. Sharia court is not supported by your constitution but you have Shari's courts? Lol. This boy. Pick a copy of the Nigerian constitution and read. I was lucky to be educated by my motherly and wonderful elder sister who did diploma in Law in University of Jos. Her materials helped me understand Aguda and others. Just read Bro.

4. No. You are wrong again. Anyone can be anything or in anything as long they don't destroy the country by this involvement. Catholism is not s problem to the nation. Their are catholics in a large portion of the world and reasonings like this makes everyone guilty of the woes of their place of residence. That's a little way to think.

Also I'd like to repeat it so you comprehend it once and for all. Humans CAN the take smelliest of bullshits and not like they were MADE to take it. Comprehension is a good thing, bro.

Thanks for proving me right. You are proudly ignorant and you are part of the problem.


1) You probably do not read your own comments and see how you poorly explain things.


2) You must be damn ignorant not to know that Nigeria has a secular constitution that does not allow sharia law. Sharia law is a violation of the constitution-

Section 101 of the Nigerian Constitution provides:

“The Government of the Federation or of a State shall

not adopt any religion as State Religion.”


3) You were a supporter of Ishilove, weren't you? Remember when she first derailed the atheist chatbox with her friends? Even her fellow christians were annoyed with her- stritklymi, Tgirl and even HBG spoke out against christians doing things to others that they wouldn't tolerate on the christian chatbox. If you notice, she never set foot in the christian chatbox again.

I wont talk too much on this as I dont want to mention the foolish failed mod again.


4) The catholic church has proven itself to be an evil organisation. You are free to be a catholic- it is your fundamental human right of freedom of religion. However, do not deny that you are a part of the problem. We do not need catholicism in Nigeria. We need humanism and humanitarian efforts.

Reyginus:
No, you wouldn't. Humans are built to take even the smelliest of bullshit.

The problem is foundational. We started on a wrong foundation. Seeds of disagreement and ignorance were placed within before the masons poured the concrete. I think it has a lot to do with our heterogeneity in ideology, religion, and tribe. These to an extent precede patriotism.

This is what I mean. Because we are too different creating the right laws in the system and creating the right systems of education is frowned at. The stronger or the one who thinks himself stronger may fall for selfishness and the laws will appear so. This in turn shape human reasoning, our reasoning, over time and any attempt to switch off that irrational connection leads to chaos.

Take for instance the issue of child marriage. The Hausa Muslims in the north in the majority, see it as a religious right and must not be tampered with but the Christian Majority in the South, and Southern Yoruba Muslims, see it as a vice.

And because the south themselves share equal educational curricular with the north, the poor educational foundation I mean, instead of arguing rationally they insult these northerners whose ignorance they consider a special breed and vice versa.

Do you have an idea our constitution recognizes sharia law? And this a supposed secular state. Do you know History as a subject was recently wiped out of the secondary school curriculum because of a certain region? It's not as if the former was complete.

Our faulty foundation has taught us a lot of wrong things. I could recall back in school arguing with a Christian prayer warrior the morality of Jungle Justice. That is, the burning of people who steal or do evil by the populace. This guy who disturbs me and other lodge mates with shouts of fire and different tongues was in support of it. I was too weak. We've been educated too negatively to raise our emotions over our common sense. Wrong education stemming from a faulty foundation. You have to be a rebel to be different.

You made many good points but I have 3 major problems with what you wrote


1) History was never taught properly in Nigeria. I ask many people how islam and christianity came to Nigeria, they do not know. We should not have Usman Dan Fodio, Missionaries and Colonists as heroes.

2) Humans are not made to take the smelliest of bullshit and thus, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. You cannot live in a corrupt system and not be corrupt. Charity begins at home and if you cannot fight even the smallest of corruption (like on Nairaland), you are corrupt. On nairaland here, you supported biased christian moderation. You also still think that a christian should be able to derail an atheist chatbox but not the reverse for a christian chatbox. The only time you became against bias on nairaland was after you were banned. This is the fake activism of the new Nigerian- CHANGE FOR ONLY PERSONAL INTERESTS. APC PARTY WANTS CHANGE THAT WONT AFFECT THEM BUT BENEFIT THEM.


3) Sharia law is not supported by our constitution. It is a secular document but some idiot senators and governors from the North forced the nonsense on us.

4) Religion is a problem in Nigeria. You being a catholic is a problem. It is your religious right to be a catholic but on the other hand, you are indirectly supporting one of the most powerful churches in the world that seems to never improve Africa significantly despite its huge reach in Africa. I wonder why the charity it does must always benefit the mother church? Catholic schools to get children to be catholic members. Catholic charities that preach catholic doctrines to get catholics. Also, why does the Vatican, need money to be brought from poorer countries such as Nigeria to its coffers? The Vatican that sits on wealth and influence?

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I just want to clearly repeat number 2;
2) Humans are not made to take the smelliest of bullshit and thus, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. You cannot live in a corrupt system and not be corrupt. Charity begins at home and if you cannot fight even the smallest of corruption (like on Nairaland), you are corrupt. On nairaland here, you supported biased christian moderation. You also still think that a christian should be able to derail an atheist chatbox but not the reverse for a christian chatbox. The only time you became against bias on nairaland was after you were banned. This is the fake activism of the new Nigerian- CHANGE FOR ONLY PERSONAL INTERESTS. APC PARTY WANTS CHANGE THAT WONT AFFECT THEM BUT BENEFIT THEM.

Tufanja:
I wonder how you guys can survive in Nigeria. Every time I read the general forum and see the mainstream way of reasoning there, I wonder if it sort of represents the man in the street. If so, I think I would run mad when being surounded by this type of mindsets all the time, all my life. How is it possible that people en masse seem to lack the most simple skills of coherent, logical and critical reasoning? Seriously,...and those types are even teaching at schools for their NYS. I am in full admiration for everyone who manages to stay sane amid all of this...for this occasion i wld even forgive some folks' escape into weed :p.

@reyginus, logicbwoy, sonoflucifer, dblackninja, logicmind, etc

Now, you can see my predicament.

Nigeria has many problems and these problems are why the average Nigerian is a silly, animalistic bigot;

1) We were colonized (by British and somehow Arabs in the north) and our local cultures were stripped and dehumanized.

2) We were made one country by the British when Nigeria should have been 3 countries

3) Our Nigerian history has never been taught properly to us as Nigerian children

4) Foreign religions (islam and christianity) and cultures have been forced on us, destroying our independence and identity. Imagine teaching a dog/cat to be vegetarian. That is what islam and christianity does to us. We are worshiping middle eastern religions and people. This is why an igbo man can claim he is a Jew and an Hausa man would behave like an Arab.

5) Tribalism and corruption. After seeing corruption from a young age, many Nigerians learn to see it as a normal thing.

6) Poverty and jungle life. When I and many Nigerian children grew up watching poor workers receiving slaps from superiors, we think violence is the normal way.


7) Failed educational system. The British gave us an educational system that works for the British. Our educational system does not teach us about slavery and colonization. Our educational system teaches only 3 languages when there are 250 languages in Nigeria. Our educational system has not been upgraded. Lack of infrastructures- no internet, computers etc leaves many children behind. Mix a poor educational system with parents who are violent, misogynistic, tribalist and super religious, we then get a toxic mixture of ignorance.




These are just the major problems in Nigeria.

Reyginus:
Yeah.

Catholic atheist humanist abi?

Reyginus:
I fit don come back from morning mass na.

Oh, yes. You're a catholic.

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Joshthefirst:
someone who believes that right and wrong are only concepts of our various subjective views.

I am an atheist and I believe in both a subjective and objective morality. Morality is multi-dimensional like time and so, it can hold contradictory properties as an abstract concept.


For the most part, morality is objective. There is a logical balance to it.

The part where morality is subjective is where there are logical paradoxes/conundrums.


Take for instance, it is quite clear that just killing a random person is wrong. We can list the disadvantages or cons of that.

Tufanja:
There is only one possible answer! Madness.

Love is madness. But madness is not always love.

And you said that you dont smoke weed?

Reyginus:
Lolololol. Welcome mad man.

Bros, you no go church?

Tufanja:
Lol, dont stress, I always try to see the good in everyone. To you, people are mortal beings, to me not, they host a huge potential and extra dimension, if they just wld be willing to explore it. In life, the most bright or loving people were told to be mad. Because the truth is here a lie and the lie the truth. If u wonder what madness is...you can always check your own way of reasoning :p

love or madness? I just need an answer.

Tufanja:
The guy is an unpolished diamond. Everyone who wants to make him shine cuts his/her skin open on his rough edges. The future will tell if his full potential will ever shine. It will highly depend on which hardrock is capable to polish him. Sometimes he shines some light, mostly he flares gass, he is a vulcano that erupts as unpredictable as a ladies mood. As we wait for his lava on nairaland to cool down, we fantasize about what thoughts can spout out of the land he fertilised ;-).

Is it love or madness that makes someone write what she doesnt know about a guy?

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Joshthefirst:
I'm only asking him so he'll state his position and not accuse anyone of misrepresentation.

If he is a subjectivist then he has no stance to judge the subjective views of others unreasonable or irrational. That is hypocrisy.

Your logic is good. However, the issue is a multi-dimensional one and so even if he is a subjectivist, he can still judge against some subjective values.