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AnonyNymous:
There are too many crazies on this forum. Honestly. The first page of the religion board is filled with madness upon madness.

And are you sure that you are not one of the mad ones? Are you sure you are sane?

After all, your username is madness itself. Have you tried pronouncing it out? "Anonnnnynymous'?

Tufanja:
I was already surprised that JB got away with this....

Although I don't support calling names, it's clear that overall this forum is worse than Orwell's farm. No critical sounds whatsoever allowed. No serious response of the leader on topics that need attention. Never seen such a crappy forum having so many members and 90% existing of copy/paste nonsense....

Reyginus:
I often ponder same thing. Initially I responded with anger but now I know it should be pity instead.
My criticism comes from understanding but often times when I understand a portion of the whole, it melts into pity. I'm beginning to accept no one does wrong willingly.
People have brains and we must make no attempt to assume they don't use them—that's my new position. When they honestly do what appears unreasonable our empathy ought suffice.
He has his reasons. He knows better. But reason is nothing if it doesn't address poor logic or what seems like it. Humans know humans think but humans also want to know if they reasoned.
I'd like to weigh his defense with my reason to make sure I'm not the one in the wrong. I love truth so much. Even if this truth is not the right action or doesn't seem like it to me, I can at least respect the honesty. We can start another journey.
If only Seun can tell us/me(logically) why he allows these powers to operate, I can then bow and receive the punishment a morally incapacitated ignoramus deserves, which is, the exposure of this vice he must have shown I live with.
I was banned for "misrepresenting the reason for which I was previously banned'
I was banned for 'posting off topic' where I questioned the logic behind banning the Biafrans movement and taking an obituary of one these guys on the homepage.
I was banned for accusing Nairaland wrongly where I said Nairaland is like Nigeria, filled with double standard exhibiting people.(can't remember the exact words)
Honestly speaking, I don't think I should ever get any ban on any Forum. I've risen above so many laws. This is not my ego speaking. I find it hard to follow any thread anymore. Very little or no substance in arguments. Insults everywhere. It is not fair. We are better than this. We can be better than this. Legacy matters. And if it matters our actions here matter too.

Guys, I was banned quickly for that comment.


Tufanja, I did not get away with anything.


Nairaland is a mad house and one has to be mad to survive

Reyginus:
I know what it means but I don't know what you think it means. Tell me what you think it means.

You should have ended at the bold. Go and sleep.

It is funny that the christian and muslim god did allow incest once upon a time.

Now they are asking atheists to justify their moral stance against inbreeding.

What is the religious argument against incest when we have many incestous men of god in the bible?

Your argument against incest is in the old testament.....the same old testament that is laden with murderous punishment for little things like not respecting the sabbath day or stoning for being gay.

Richirich713:
Here's what king asked:



Nearly every atheist response ignore the "just for pleasure and not for procreation" part, most atheists responses focused on inbreeding and the bible, that I think is bad answers.

Thank god you didnt say "all atheists"......because some like me, did answer the consensual part

Farmerforlife:
There are child abuse laws. I do not think they have reduced cases of in.cest. Nor do I think that permitting in.cest will suddenly have more fathers/brothers having sex with their underage daughters/sisters. I also doubt that it is the unacceptability of the act of in.cest itself that prevents people from doing it...those that will commit child abuse will not balk at in.cest.

What is sex grooming in this context? And how is that harmful?

Your last point makes no sense. Pure fishing for validity. I doubt that you believe it yourself. In a society with lots of multiple partners, I doubt that people will stay exclusively with their siblings or parents. Also, they will still have to go find a spouse, since inbreeding will be prohibited (due to science).

Are you married to kingebukasblog? Both of you always react to sensible posts in the most foolish ways.

I have given you a simple logical answer why I frown on incest. You are here arguing as if you are an expert on incestuous people.

Richirich713:

KingEbukasBlog:
From the answers they have given , they can easily bang their mums without any guilt because it is consensual. Atheism is dangerous . They do not know what is right or wrong - they lack the moral compass

Why do you guys remind me of this clown-


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjLRHBXJSMo

Farmerforlife:
Now you sir, are the only brave atheist on this thread. Thank you for your honesty. And contrary to your statement above, first cousin marriage is not especially 'wanted' in any religion. It is done more often to keep family ties secure... the principle being... better the girl you know from birth than a stranger.

Read more on islam and stop fiddling with manure, you farking farmer

dblackninja:
Oh don't sweat over kingebukasblog
He can never, and will never agree to anything said by any cognitive person.

He is a real Lie Mohammed.

Farmerforlife:
Escapism in action. I actually thought you were one of the more intellectual atheists on NL, yet here you are. Disappointing.

Let me make it easy for you, if there is any reason, based on logic, fact or evidence, as to why having consensual sex with one's mother or sister for pleasure is wrong, please let us have it. If your personal opinion is (by your definition), not based on any of the above parameters, please explain to us exactly what it is based on, and how that basis does not disturb your atheistic vows to only believe in what is logical, reasonable and evidential.

Child abuse.

Just imagine if we all said that it was ok for parents to have sex with children. Sex grooming will start early.

The same grooming can happen between older and younger siblings.


Also, there is the issue of being a lazy, over-sheltered douchebag if one does not go out to find love. Keeping love in the family alone- causes one to have anti-social behaviours.

KingEbukasBlog:
From the answers they have given , they can easily bang their mums without any guilt because it is consensual. Atheism is dangerous . They do not know what is right or wrong - they lack the moral compass

LIES! For someone claiming moral superiority over atheists, you are such a liar-

here is what an atheist told you on page one about incest-

johnydon22:
Every atheist will have different opinions based on their own personal philosophy and reason and now to give my own opinion and view.

Incest is wrong to me [Apparently whether a deity agrees or not] it soils the human human gene pool, leads to reproductive anomaly.

secondly; My culture abhors it totally [Igbo culture of African origin] so it is a societal ill going from the factors involved and my view on bad actions is

Actions that increase individual human suffering, are detrimental to societal well being or growth, justice, equality, fairness and freedom.

thirdly - as a matter of personal feelings it is disgusting to me so i could never support it

Inbreeding is a societal ill that retards societal growth or well being so it is wrong to me apparently not to you...

Farmerforlife:
It is very likely because he was at a loss for words. It is probably destabilising to his self esteem to imagine that someone who plays solitaire on his system in a congested office all day, waiting for a client that he can request for 'kola' from, can be intellectually stumped by someone who deals with manure, hence the intended attack. I dont mind though. I do intend to work with poo for life, otherwise, what would people like him buy to eat with the egunje you scrounge off his customers/clients?

I play zuma and candy crush, rather.

Also, you are not intellectually gifted or superior as evidenced by this thread.

Atheism has nothing to do with incest. Atheism is a philosophical stance on the non-existence of god. What the individual atheist wants to do with his or her life is their own business.

Farmerforlife:
What disappointing answers. I really expected to see lucid responses backed by scientific research, instead of counter accusations (your God allows it too), deliberate misrepresentation of the question (in.cest is different from inbreeding) and appeals for mercy (stop attacking atheists).

Come on guys, surely you can do better than THAT?

That's why you're a manure farmer for life.

You don't know $shit

KingEbukasBlog:
Yup . God has prescience . It does not negate . He just knows the outcomes of any action . Freewill means you have the choice of action or that carte blanche in life . He just knows the consequences of your action .

Wait!

If God knows that I am going to eat ice cream tomorrow, then I can't change my actions- I will eat the icecream the next day.

If I don't eat the ice cream, then God's prescience would be wrong.


Is that a negation of freewill?

Ishilove:
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Isn't that redundant and repetitive?

I'm already fvcking off with the vaseline


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KingEbukasBlog:
The emboldened text is not rational one bit and its your opinion so you can choose to believe anything though

Bros, why na?

You said that God cannot commit sin. But then again, the only people that can not commit sin are people that lack freewill or people who lack the mental capacity to make informed choices eg toddlers and mad men.

KingEbukasBlog:
Its just to let you understand that it illogical to insist something can be greater than God . He is beyond every imagination of powerful . So that's it .

Any other question ?

Does God know the future? If he does why does he need to test human beings? He tested Abraham. He tested Job.

Also, if he knows the future, does that not negate the freewill concept? If God knows that I am going to eat ice cream tomorrow, then there is nothing I can do, I will eat ice cream the next day.

Ishilove:
Okay that's it. Tufanja, you really need to cut out the bullshit because it is getting really and really annoying, really fast.

You keep throwing shades and I have been acting like I'm not seeing them.

You said I, Logicboy and the other lady should not 'pollute' your thread. That was downright rude but you called my response rude.

Now, on this page alone, you have called me ignorant and unintelligent, and you are talking about true colours?? You dare talk about lack of civilisation when when addressing people??

You flap your 'mouth' commenting bullshit despite the fact that I and that troublesome LB have explained the rationale behind my 'crawcraw' comments but you insist on acting the the uppity, snotty know-all.

Young lady, this is me being very restrained because of the respect I have for you. If I should become 'unrestrained', believe me, you will re-examine your understanding of 'lack of civilisation'.

Throw one more insult my way and you're gonna get it. Nuf said

What is this? Ishilove is acknowledging me and backing me up against tufanja?

Something is happening! I having an £rectio.......


ehem.......*goes to get vaseline*

KingEbukasBlog:
All these are hypothetical and cannot be obtained in reality . plus Its like asking God to do dumb things when He told you he is an all wise God . Or commit sin when He told you that he is Holy , righteous .

If your God can not commit sin, then he is weak. He is not all powerful.

Isnt that why he needed Satan to do the dirty work of tempting Adam and Eve or even Jesus?

Reyginus:
You don't seem to understand me. Time travel is a Logical contradiction.

You are only half right.

Time travel contains many logical paradoxes. That is why you say it has contradictions


But you are not looking at the bigger picture.


Time itself is a paradoxical concept containing contradictions.


Let me ask you- what is the first event that happened in our universe/cosmos?

You can't answer the question! Why? Because there is always a preceding event before any event. This is the paradox of cause and effect and an infinite regress.



Do you realise that you time travel every time you pass a time zone?

KingEbukasBlog:
Its an illogical question . How will I even explain it to you sef . Ok . Imagine a filled tank , filled to the brim . And someone asks if the tank can be filled more than brim ? I does not make any sense because anything outside the brim , the water pours out . The tank being filled means water being to the level of the brim .

So imagine asking God to create someone more powerful than himself - its illogical because every imagination of how powerful someone can be God is that person . There is no opportunity for someone to be greater- its not real . There is no "power filling" outside the brim . "The power tank " is filled . So nothing can go beyond God , anything can go below God .

Comprendre ?

That's why its a specious argument - it looks logical at first look but its actually false , fallacious , not logical one bit .

I like your analogy with the full tank but you seem not to understand that it does not help your case.


The tank can always be expanded to take more volume of water.


What you do not realise is that God himself is an illogical question.

God, unlike every other physical being, entity or matter, can not be expanded, reduced, measured or limited- according to your theology.


However, when you say God is "omnipotent", you are putting a measurement on him. A measurement of his power.......AND WE ALL KNOW THAT WITH MEASUREMENT, THERE COMES AN INTERESTING COMPLEMENTARY CONCEPT OF SIZE. SIZE CAN BE INCREASED OR EXPANDED.

johnydon22:
Nope i have not watched the Ant man, i only like the Marvel Thor and Avengers series plus Captain America thing eheee Iron man.

Well just like you quoted above, the quantum world is an abyss that nobody understand it's rules yet and this is because we are used to rules.

Everything we know of is turned upside down once we dabble into the quantum scale making us term it spooky.

Cause and effect doesn't hold sway there.

We can derive ideas and apply quantum science in our world which can better our technological ability example Quantum computer but to be fully able to grasp the depth of the quantum realm is very shadowy.

We are used to the macro-universe so elusive to us was the universe within.

[size=14pt]To me personally the only reason we may not be able to understand the quantum world at all is that we need to think outside the box here, maybe we shouldn't be expecting anything, a set of laws on quantum manifestations.

What if the only laws of the quantum world is there are no laws .. and if this is so then we must first shed off our idea of laws of physics taught by the macro-world when ever we look into the micro.[/size]

This is my personal thought

I also have similar thoughts about the quantum world having no rules. However, I am more convinced by the notion that the quantum world is just counter-intuitive. Everything we know so far about our physical world is governed by rules. I think we just need to figure out the rules of the quantum world.

Reyginus:
Our minds are extensions of our existence as beings. The Pineal Gland alone has so much power that even our governments and corporations add fluorine to our paste to impede this. The mind can be developed to it's full capacity. Their are beings who have achieved this by using fully this Third Eye.

The Pituitary Gland and the Pineal Gland have both being proven to be capable of allowing manipulation. I don't buy the Robot idea but the idea that our real selves are hidden by the manipulations and manifestation of a false self is logical. What if these are not Robots but higher bodies, aeons apart our civilization, watching a reality TV show they set in motion?

You see, i have asked myself this question in bold. It is an interesting thought. The only problem here is that you open your mind to another reality but close your mind to time travel- which in itself is another reality.

wirinet:
I have not seen ant man, i do not even have time to watch movies. We will never be able to manipulate things on the quantum. We are only barely able to manipulate things crudely on the atomic level, which is our own level if scale. Till now, we cannot turn lead to gold by atomic manipulation. The quantum level is so weird that it is like Alice in wonderland. Even Einstein was humbly disgraced when he tried to venture into the quantum level, hence he could not believe "God plays dice with the universe". To me the most crazy aspect of the quantum level is that you cannot determine the position and velocity precisely, measuring one quantity automatically de-measures the other quantity. Now, how can you manipulate anything in such a world ?

Better create time to watch movies. Some visuals are inspiring and life changing. I am currently setting up a business because a movie gave me an idea.


As for the rest of your comment, I have faith in scientists. They are mad enough to get things working at a nano level, I'm sure they will break the barrier to understanding the quantum/subatomic level.

Everything follows rules. Scientist just need to figure out the rules of the quantum level even if it is counter-intuitive at our macro-level

Impossible is nothing!

Reyginus:
Because it's simply a kind of Alternate Universe operating like an extension of the mind. How can anybody think what's in films like the X-Men Days of Future Past is possible.

Well, mutants are possible. Time travel is just a theroetical speculation no worse than alternate universes

Reyginus:
I do. I love SciFi movies. Tell me how X-men makes sense. I mean travelling back to see the men who are now old in their young age.

Then, please tell me how the matrix makes sense first. Robots creating a virtual reality that looks so real and 90% of humans live in the virtual reality for years without knowing.



I like both xmen and the matrix- I enjoy their fiction but you are putting one over the other.

Reyginus:
Yeah. That's what possible and not some imaginary nonsense of leaving a particular place while you go to the same place and meet people in the past. That makes zero sense. It's not a question of mathematical formulae.

Open your mind, Reyginus!


Why would time travel be nonsense but linked virtual reality consciousness in the matrix be sensible?

dblackninja:
And he even went subatomic and was able to survive unlike the scientist's wife because he was able to manipulate it. I'll leave what will happen for now because we're yet to understand the quantum world..except if you want me to go sci-fi on you

I thought he survived because someone called out to him?

Reyginus:
No. Their presentation in movies like Source Code, X-Men Days of Future Past, Time Machine are irrational. I consider something like The Matrix more intelligent and serious.

The matrix does not have time travel.

And you haven't watched the most "realistic" time travel movie, interstellar?

Tufanja:
Its interesting to see how easily people show their real colors in their so called clowning.

Shut up.

You clearly got nothing to say.

Reyginus:
Time travel? Can it be possible with exclusivity to a single person? Then what happens to our 24 hour rotation of the earth? Are we just assuming theories to be practical?

Does it increase or lower and for whom? If it doesn't then what is Time travel? If it does what is time travel still? Time travel as shown in the movies makes absolutely zero sense.

Have you watched interstellar?