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it means jesus had a big one before he spoke.
ganja is wonderful.

where are your childish cartoons?

Sunabo: no one can stop the coming of christ

nobody can o!
he has reached the point of no return.

Mai-suya:
Guys are you so Bereft of common sense? Imagine I tell you Christianity is a scam because logic mind (a former christain) says so! Does that argument hold water for you?

Common stop being lazy and read. You can't judge a book by it's cover, neither can you condemn Medicine because Reginald gill (a fake doctor) told women they had cancer while they didn't?

Here is what the Quran says about racism : "O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).." (49:13)

All of you are two sides of the same coin. deluded haters.

tbaba1234: Great piece

Unveiling Atheism
by Mohamed Ghilan

There is a mantra that is constantly recited by the new science-worshiping atheists, which comes in different versions while essentially saying the same thing. Apparently, the evidence provided by science so far suggests that the existence of God is unlikely. Hence, the sound position one must hold on God’s existence until the evidence suggests otherwise is in the negative or at the very least neutral. It is as if science is the only acceptable methodology of acquiring knowledge. Furthermore, apparently the burden of proof is on the believer. It is the believer who must provide the proof that God exists because it is the believer who proposed His existence in the first place. Until the proof is provided, we must again hold the negative position or at least stay neutral. This, according to atheism, is the rational approach.

Before tackling the evidence issue, we should first examine the proposition that the burden of proof is on the one making the claim. This indeed can be justifiably considered to be the rational position to hold under usual circumstances. But is it necessary under all circumstances? John Stewart Mill wrote an interesting essay in 1869 entitled “The Subjection of Women”, in which he was addressing the issue of the rights of women in society at the time. Before tackling the matter, he acknowledged that proposing equal rights for both genders is unorthodox given the values upheld by just about everyone in his society, including intellectuals. Even women themselves were indoctrinated in such a way that they viewed their lesser status and lack of rights in society as natural order. So before getting into the subject and addressing how his society has become that way and why it should change, he brought up the issue of the burden of proof. In circumstances in which the great majority hold a belief of any kind, what the dissenting voice must do is bring forth their case and prove it. In other words, rather than the accused being innocent until proven guilty, they become guilty until proven innocent. So rather than throwing up his hands and saying that what his society is doing is incorrect, Mill wrote a lengthy treatise to establish that the proper thing for a society is to have women enjoy equal rights as men.

Where this comes in with atheists is straightforward. The proposition that the believer must provide evidence for God, and until then we should remain either atheists or agnostic is problematic when we have had, since the beginning of history records, humans having engaged in some form of religious rituals and having acknowledged the existence of God. This is not an appeal to antiquity or to popularity. It is simply a pointing to a fact of life. It does not establish the truth of the claim that God exists, nor does it point to the fallaciousness of the claim that God does not exist. All this fact does is put the burden of proof on the atheist rather than the believer since he is the one dissenting from the great majority. The atheist must undertake the task of proving the negative, which contrary to what many atheists seem to think, is not an impossibility.

When it comes to the issue of evidence, it seems to be a word that is used in an unrestricted fashion by atheists to support their final conclusions. If anything, this reflects either a simpleton mind, or an ulterior motive driving atheists. The broad term “evidence” is defined as a body of information that points towards the validity of a claim. However, because there are several types of evidence, we cannot simply make the broad request of anyone to provide “evidence”. Depending on the matter at hand, we must define the type of evidence we need in order to be convinced. At the very least, we should qualify whether we want direct evidence, or can be persuaded by indirect evidence if it is strong enough.

But let us take this a step back further than just defining “evidence’ and identifying which types are there. The question we should address first if we want to restrict ourselves to pure logic and avoid all fallacies is: can any evidence, irrespective of type, be sufficient to prove that God exists? It would seem that from the atheist perspective the answer to this question is a simple “No”. Regardless of what type of evidence they are provided with, atheists will always have some response to it, which can be frustrating to the believer as they list all the reasons why a belief in God is actually the more rational position to hold. The problem is not with the evidence from an empirical sense. The problem is with the rationalization process that comes after being presented with the evidence, which leads us into a discussion about the nature of knowledge, which we can address elsewhere.

Hubris is the state of the science-worshipping atheists. In a sense, it can be understood why they have become this way. Being able to observe the deep universe, examine the cosmos, send all kinds of technology into outer space, while at the same time be able to manipulate genomes, alter bacteria, play around with viruses, and control diseases are all very impressive feats. Mankind has surpassed its wildest historical imaginations of what it can accomplish. But this does not necessarily mean that our intellectual capacity or ability to reason has also progressed. In fact, it can be argued that we have become more confused as a generation and many are deluded into thinking that they are rational. The vast majority of books put out and read by science-worshipping atheists are sophistical in their reasoning and embarrassing in their conclusions.

The interesting question for the science-worshipping atheist to answer is whether it is about the belief in God, or the consequences of believing in God that are a problem. In other words, is it a matter of acknowledging God’s existence, or a matter of acknowledging what it means to their life after acknowledging God’s existence? It would be interesting to see if for an atheist it is more about an attachment to a hedonistic lifestyle where the caprices and desires are fulfilled without restriction, combined with a hubristic vision of their intellectual capacities and human abilities, than it is being about the actual question of God’s existence. It is reported that in his last recorded interviews, Jean Paul Sartre said he had reflected upon his reasons for atheism and found them to be childish. Whether this is true or not is debatable. But it does reflect a type of recognition of the human condition when it comes to our desires. We become like children when we want something and don’t have a barrier stopping us. And when the parent puts the barrier we get upset. This continues until we can finally move out of the house so we can be “free”. That is what Sartre was talking about. Atheism to him was just a delusion of freedom that dissipated when he finally was being intellectually honest with himself.

It seems that science-worshipping atheists are using science and what they call “reason” as veils to cover their dissatisfaction with being told to bow to something greater than they can comprehend. More interestingly, they also seem to be using these veils to cover up their discontent with being told “do this and don’t do that”. This is not to say that some of their other problems with “religion” might be justified. But given their being taken with sophistical reasoning, they readily confuse actions, statements, and even beliefs of individuals with what their respective religions actually teach. Moreover, what these science-worshipping atheists failed to recognize is that in their rejection of God, they have taken their own egos to be gods and became autodeists. Now they are organizing to form their own brand of religion full of moral theory and even practices, which they began to call people to so they can be “saved”. How ironic?

http://muslimvillage.com/2012/04/24/22426/unveiling-atheism/

why are you posting this here?

atheism is much better than terrorism and pedifile worshipping.

Ok, italo.
You are at least more truthfull than most other so called christians even though some of your assertions, which are probable guesses, are put with such certainty that I can't help but wonder if you are not being more honest to your beliefs than to yourself.
But as I have no way of verifying your sincererity, I will let that be.
You are right, I was also born into a catholic family. I was also inquisitive and came to the maddening realisation that there is no god. And it was a long process.
Before I proceed, I would like to know: do you think there is any truth in the theory of evolution? why?
Thanks.

buzugee: water company, electric company etc etc

i have shares in an electric company. infact my last year's dividends were more than my total electricity bill.
if that is a symptom of hell, then i never want to taste heaven.

tbaba1234: ^belief about blacks?

this guy is no ex-muslim, if he was he must have been terribly ignornt

What does the Quran and the prophet say?
The Quran says:
"O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full Knowledge and is well-acquainted (with all things)." (Surah 49, Verse 13).


The prophet said:

"All mankind is from Adam and Eve. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; white has no superiority over black, nor does a black have any superiority over white; [none have superiority over another] except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood."

#so why tha ffuck do you all like excluding yourselves from the rest?

who do you pay those bills to?

italo: @ Logic Mind,

I can't even remember when. Its like asking me when I first knew my name.

As early as I became aware of my being, I was hearing about God and Jesus Christ.

Thanks for your honesty.
So from your childhood, people around you, people you trust have been talking about god and jesus christ. Infact I would guess that these are the first gods you knew (and probably the only ones you heard of for a long time during your childhood) and maybe followed your family members to church.
If I'm right, would you agree with me that if you were born into an islamic home, that today you would be a muslim?

Anambra no dey carry last

OLAADEGBU: If that is true tell us where you think life originated from.

everybody knows life originated from mars.

D sage: Whether bible is full of errors or not,we dont care as long as it gives us hope.

u just admitted that you are hopeless

not working.
try harder

do i look like an isrealite to you?

to gain eternal life,
first surrender yourself to jesus
afterwards the holy spirit will overwhelm you. do not struggle. it's for your own good.
let the word god of penetrate you first, then you'll be ready for his second coming.
and he is coming soon o!
the holy communion.
oya kneel down, close your eyes (for your own sake), open wide your mouth and be ready to receive him. flesh first and flowing pure heavenly blood afterwards.
and dont forget to swallow.

https://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lli5zrWrbI1qzg64ko1_500.jpg

yahawahelper: and you shall not have to face the lake of fire and destruction.

where is this beautiful lake that you speak of?

italo: I usually don't like arguing with Atheists because there's very little we agree on, and they are full of insults for God, who I worship.

But let's see how this goes, since you keep using the words "rationally" and "reasonably".

Thanks.
This is not an argument per say but a way of finding out if you know what you really think you know.
I will ask some questions and expect an honest answer from you. Not the answer you think will satisfy your doctrine or belief but an honest as it is answer. You can also ask me questions and i will answer honestly. ok?

my first question is. when was the first time ever you heard about god and/or jesus christ?

italo: YES!

are you sure of your UNbelief?
like rationally and reasonably sure. not just pretending and repeating what you have been told by someone else.

No. That is why I put everything to test, including my "unbelief" as you call it.

Do you mind if I rationally test your belief?

nobody is listening to you

Joel.:
First what do u understand about the word 'I AM'?
I am is a phrase of one who is full of Himself. Somebody who can do whatever he want to do. Don't you knw gods (idol) also use the word ''i am'' i am is not a name dear.

"I am" is an incomplete sentence that can only make sense to somebody high on certain substance.

italo: The authority is by virtue of being a part of Christ's one true Church, which 1 Tim 3:15 says is the "pillar and foundation of truth".

I'm sorry if it scandalizes anyone. I know its hard for those who don't believe to accept, but its even harder for we who know to keep it to ourselves.

are you sure of your belief?
like rationally and reasonably sure. not just pretending and repeating what you have been told by someone else.

italo: Who said "before Abraham was, I AM?"

And who is 'I AM?'

The answers you seek are somewhere in there.

There's only ONE FAITH, ONE TRUTH, ONE DOCTRINE,ONE BODY.

FIND IT for the good of your souls.

you speak as one with authority.

milkme: To be a Christian is to be Christ-like,if u are not,then all u think u have will be fuel for 'ur abode in Hell fire soon.May God deliver u from spiritual blindness.

you still haven't answered the question.

angayejuni: Đǿń 'ț be Å fool God owns ur soul. The bible tells of the foolish farm who said ♓ε was resposible for his soul . As much as i am not perfect but i acknlowledge God for my life. I have nothing but God

you still haven't answered the question.

EFULEFU1: i did not find it in the 10 commandment. help!!

what exactly is fornication?

milkme: Such questions ought not to be asked in this century.It ought to be;How do I become like Christ?[color=#000000][/color][b][/b]

so ther are disturbing questions for christians?

ATMC = Asss to mouth compilation.

ATMC: U just dey answer to ur name

lol

Kay 17: Ok there is Satan, God, demons, Angels, zechariah, jinns, lamps, beelzub, lucifer, Jesus, ghosts etc. BUT not ONE person has seen all these guys! Pls tell us why God created them and why he gave them names of fairies. Thank U!

What kay 17? You have never seen Lucifer before?
I have o!
You can see him at dawn if you look eastwards towards the sky or at dusk if you look westwards.