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tbaba1234: Those who are alive today, wont be around soon.

Thsoe who are strong today, will be weak very soon.

Those who are enjoying life today, will face the reality of death soon.

Soon we will all be powder and dust.

All of us will perish in earth and others will replace us, just like we replaced the ones before us.

Only our deeds will last; our struggles to make this world a better place through Islam will never die.

We will certainly live again to see each other trembling with the fear of our Lord.

Lets prepare for that day with the best of deeds: believe in the creator of this universe and obey him.

Adnan Rashid

speak for yourself

knowjesus: we eat, we drink, we have breathe, we have life; and for the lucky ones, eternal life. we have salvation, we have his love, his mercies, his grace. we have his grace of chewing, we have the grace of d ability to walk, we have the grace of breathing by yourself, we have the grace of using the toilet without help, we have the grace of a functioning digestive, nervous, circulatory system and still, most people wonder why they have to praise Him everyday. they wake up, stretch and that is it. Sing praises to the Most High is what the Bible says. not when you can but at all times.

op, are you a dog?

Gracie1818: A certain community in Niger Delta saw tha clear and precise image of a young Christian girl who passed in the sky.The whole community attested to it.It was shown in either NTA or AIT in 2008.I watched and was fiiled with fear and shock.After life is real

U could google and watch the stories of those who died and came back to life,not those usual nairaland gists

Most amazing and awesome is that of an 11 year old kid who had visions of heaven and painted all that he saw.

we have been hearing these stories from time immemorial. they are for gullible people.

Joel.:
@logic man, what is ur take or claims there?

this man apparantely through some unknown voodoo created everything but can only find a donkey as his only means of locomotion. To be used only on special occasions like the triumphant entry.

my mind says "shiiiiiit".

Jenwitemi: Perhaps he should have used the electronic media more and traveled a lot wider.

lol. how far do you think he'd have gone on a donkey?

frosbel: Get a Job

i don't need one.
unlike you, my father in heaven provides everything i need.

bla, bla, bla

^^^^^^^^^^bla, bla, bla

rastamouse: You can't verify how the world came into existence so the world is illogical to you? Help me out here because I want to know what you are talking about.

this is why this debate is going nowhere because you keep twisting everything.
i can't verify how the world came into existence so any unfounded explanation is illogical to me.
the subject is not the world but the explanation of its supposed beginning.

theists think because they can't verify, god must have made it so.
I say, i can't verify and i don't know. but i'm sure your god didn't make as there is no one iota of evidence that he did.

i am evidence based. i look at the bible and analyse what it says, apply it and see the outcome. you said don't mention the bible. you ask me to do impossible things. and you don't understand my reasonings that have to always rexplain myself.

like said before it is a strategy that it well explained here: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ArgumentumAdNauseam

rastamouse: With what knowledge then are you in this debate? What is your belief and what is the basis of your believe?

you asked for a debate. here i am.
i believe only that which i can verify.
my belief is based on logic.

rastamouse: Will you please answer this question?

I have not the slightest idea of if, how, when, for what purpose etc the world was made. None whatsoever.

Deep Sight: @ Logic Mind,

Please review this thread -

https://www.nairaland.com/808965/atheism-revisiting-burden-proof

why?
i think the debate we should be having is whether your god yahweh exists, in which case you need to really describe well him so we can test his existence.
remember i cannot prove that he does not exist.
however, there are surely compelling reasons why you believe in him and this is what i want to understand.

rastamouse: HE cannot be seen carnally. HE is SPIRIT and as such has no geographical location on the map of the world

ah i know. just like the leprechaun.

where is he?

rastamouse: Yes. I believe in the ALMIGHTY GOD (YHWH)

Ok.
This is the same YHWH of the old testament? The angry confused sky lord?

rastamouse: OK...

Go ahead with your second question

do you believe in god? if yes, which one?

rastamouse: Admitted that negative cannot be proven, does that then make your belief that there is no GOD an assumption?

no it doesn't. not any more than it makes your belief that there's no santa an assumption.

rastamouse: We are both saying the same thing. Based on the admission that you have made above, will it be right if I say that your belief cannot be proven?

no, it won't be right. i have nothing to prove. you have something to prove.

why are you avoiding this question?: can you prove a negative?

rastamouse: I am going to slaughter you on your own analogy...



If anyone is bold enough to make a statement that Obama does not exist, the person should be ready and willing to prove it. One of the biggest issues that atheists have against Christians is that GOD cannot be proven. Have you ever proven the non-existence of GOD?

Isn't it double standard to claim that GOD does not exist because there is no proof only to turn around and make the claim that you are making?

like i said, either you don't understand or you are intentionally being malicious.
let me try a breakdown and see if you can understand.
obama exists = positive. Can be proven
Obama does not exist = negative. Impossible to prove
god exists = positive. should be proven and the onus lies on the proponents to prove this.
god does not exist = negative. Impossible to prove

If i can't prove that santa does not exist, that doesn't make santa real whatever your nursery books might tell you.

rastamouse: You just broke one of the rules by casting insinuations. I will rather forgive you. The basic believe of every atheist remains "If it cannot be proven, it does not exits". However, here is an atheist who believe that there is no GOD but cannot prove it. Lets make this debate as clean as possible.

Just admit to my statement and lets move on...

please answer this: can you rastamouse prove a negative?

rastamouse: If I get you right, you are telling me that if you have no proof in what you believe. Please state in simple terms if that is the fact or not?

I am telling you that it is impossible to prove a negative.
I can prove to you that obama exists but i cannot prove to you that obama does not exist. do you understand?
this is the worst question of theists: "prove there's no god"
when do either know it's impossible but try to be malicious or they don't know it's impossible so shows how stuppid they really are.
which one are you? malicious or sttupid?

rastamouse: I guess I can come up with my first question. My question is: What is your biggest proof that there is NO GOD?

Sorry, I cannot prove that there is no God.
I cannot prove a negative. It is impossible. Try to see if you can prove that there is no anything.

rastamouse: Every real thing has a cause ---- formula 1
Life is real ---- formula 2

From the two formula above, Life has a cause.

How does this prove anything about GOD?

Going back to the formulas, whatever is called the cause is GOD.

so this god can be anything?

rastamouse: Did you just try the question?

give your answer or shut up.

rastamouse: Yes there are several logical ways to prove the existence of GOD.

please enlighten me.

rastamouse: It is fair that I lay out the rules to make this as clean as possible. No insults or insinuation is allowed. I will not quote from the Bible since doing so will not be fair (you claim that you don't believe in the Bible). We should avoid doing loop debate (I hope you know what that means).

We are doing the freestyle and that means your arguments should not be based on your knowledge only. You can quote other people's theory.

That is about my ground rules. Bring your rules

The bible and the koran are my guiding lights. I believe them. Infact they are the basis for most of my arguments and I like using them to whip theists' assses. However if you're afraid of getting your asss whipped with your holy book, I understand but that is no longer freestyle. You need to decide what you want. freestyle or biased rules.
I don't know what loop debate means.

My first question is:

Is there any logical way at all that you can prove that god exists?

rastamouse: Did this prayer really come from you ?

yes.
i told you already. i believe.

Before we begin, I think we should pray.

In the name of the father, the son and the holy ghost.
Father, I ask you to guide this debate so that it will be meaningful to people and they recognise you for who you really are.
Please place your anointing hands on your servants. Give us wisdom and intelligence and keep derailers from this thread.
May we not stumble in our quest for truth. Be our light in this dark hour.
We praise and magnify your holy name and ask that you answer our prayers in jeeesus name!
Amen.

gullible christians will believe anything.

ckkris: Logic Mind.
Please who is this lengend you're citing?

please ask jenwitemi. he's the one citing legends.