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cap28:
This is why i hate having discussions with foul mouthed illiterates like you, is it too much to ask for you to put your point across without resorting to foul language?

If you are so dumb and brainwashed that you do not know nor understand america's history of aggression around the world please at least have the decency to admit to your ignorance instead of accusing me of making a "hate america speech".  Unlike you i actually read books and research what is going on around me rather than get my information from fox, cnn and other propaganda outlets.

You say that the war in congo was not given publicity because it "wasnt a full blown war, the area was small and the armies large, - can you stop for a minute and listen to yourself - does that sound like the reasoning of an adult or someone still in kindergarten? 

So the death of over 5 million people is insignificant to you- do you think that if 5 million whites were being murdered this information would not be beamed around the world on a daily basis, 3,000 americans died in the 9/11 attack and this story was front page news for months and yet to you the death of 5 million black africans in a war funded and orchestrated by america is of no importance.

the death and starvation that you dismiss so casually - who caused it?  Did it arise out of nowhere?  was it not triggered by this same proxy war which was funded and orchestrated by america?

What i said in my earlier post was that Rwandan and Ugandan troops are being used by the US to fight a war in the DRC in order to appropriate mineral rich land for american owned multinational corporations - why is this so hard for you to  understand?

Im a racist because i tell you that you are brainwashed, if thats your understanding of racism then i shall leave you to continue to stumble around in the darkness.

You say NTV and South African news agencies report the same news as the news in the west - you are really dumb arent you - have you heard of censoring before?

You got a problem with swearing? There just words, you cant handle it, tough. I dont take time either when talking to you to ensure that my English is of a standard that means I have to put in any time so you can have satisfaction that you are arguing with someone of the same language calliber as you.
I aint denying America has done agressive things for bleep sake (dont thank for ww2 or anything. Im sure you would rather the Nazi's being no1 in the world). This is a tribute to the Nigerian military. Read the title and stop screwing up the thread. If you dont agree with us then thats fine you have made your point. Now leave us alone. We are just looking at some cool pics. Your the one trying to censor us because they dont have a big tick next to your ideas.
9/11 had more impact on the world didnt it. Before the Congo wars, the Congo had a history of slaughter. There was nothing new. Yes I would rather it got more front-page news. But you cant have every day *another few thousand die of starvation" as your front page. It was only when violence flared up that it grabbed some news. The kivu conflict for example got a lot better coverage.
If calling you racist takes you off then you are 
If you think that white mans news is out to get you then fair enough. Tell me how much did the Iranians look at the Congo in the nineties. The russians and the Chinease. Hmmmm not really got much to gain from helping America have they? Yet they gave nothing to the subject pretty much.
There are also plenty of other news sources that are independant such as reporters without borders that gave it more of a look yet barely anything. Mainly just the starvation.
You also made the point of how in the post before your last post the US was funding Congolese rebels not the DRC troops. So surely they would keep that nice and quite. Infact they would have someone else make that transaction. They would probebly give it to Uganda or Rwanda to give to the rebels. So where did you get that (the us fudning Congo rebels) from.
Now go to the DRC before you post here again. So you can witness how you are so wrong. You can talk to people there, you cant make your own source. Tell me how many reporters did global research send to the Congo. You are using an estimation for the death toll based on western news sources yourself.

cap28:
you do not understand what you are talking about - first of all a discussion about a war which is being sponsored by the US in order to annexe a mineral rich part of Congo is very relevant to this topic because it further proves that foreign powers like the US, britain and Israel arm african nations for a reason and for a purpose.

Paddylo has come on here to celebrate the fact that nigeria has these supposed state of the art military hardware without understanding the real reasons behind why nigeria has been allowed to arm itself to this level. In a bid to try and associate himself with supposed success and invicibility he fails to see the bigger picture.

The IMF may well have decided to cancel Congo's spiralling debt but thats a bit like taking someone who is about to be executed for a three course meal shortly before the execution - america used troops from two african client states - uganda and rwanda as pawns in order to secure a mineral rich part of congo - this led to the genocide of over 3million congolese people but no mainstream western newspaper carries the story - this is why you and paddy lo say that it is unsubstantiated, it is unsubtantiated in your mind because you rely soley on the white man's version of the truth not the real truth.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=12404

by the way the military aid given to the congolese by the US govt is NOT being given to congolese troops to defend themselves from the american proxy troops of uganda or rwanda but, its actually being given to congolese troops LOYAL to the americans who are fighting in COLLABORATION with the ugandan and rwandan troops.

Lol you say that I dont know anything yet you think that US policy has something to do with this thread. This is a tribute. Start your hate-America speech somewhere else. Also should the IMF keep the debt there so the DRC is even weaker? I dont know how you can compare that with your three-coarse-meal f*ck.
The congo didnt get much publicity because it wasnt a full blown war. The armies were small and the area large. It was mostly death from starvation and disease.
Your an fing blow out. Your now saying their being used to help Rwanda and Uganda. You dont have a fu*k in side your tiny little head of yours.
"The whites mans truth". Fair enough your a racist. Is that why the likes of NTV and South African news agencies give the same news. In fact every non-bleeped country gives the same story. Funney that ey. Not just black or white or coloured but everyone.
If you dont like what we are doing here then go to a moderator and see what sort of response you'll get lol. And when that fails please do us all a favour, and go to the DRC and see what happens to you. See if you get shot by DRC troops or Ugandan's or Rwandans.

I agree with Paddy_lo. Dont come here with these theories. First they are off-topic. Secound they have no proof (like America is trying to Bleep up the DRC). Is that why the IMF (which has a large contribution from the US) trying to cancel out what could end up to be 90% of the DRC's external debt. Then you also pointed out that the US was funding them (the DRC) for their military.

mens dept:
You see, blacks killing blacks and you say US just sat there

And what did you do? Did you fly out their to Monrovia and save the Liberians from massacre? All this what did US do and that is rubbish. The US/American people has/have done more for you folks than your leaders have done for their own people.

Well actually the UK made 2 notable military operations into Sierre Leon. The first one failed but the secound one turned out to be more sucsessful. Also do not knock the Nigerian military. Go start up a thread for it somewhere else. If you dont agree with us, you have made your point clear. Show some pics/info or piss off.

Mariory:
Exactly! In Charles Taylor's final days the US Marines sat in their ships off the coast of Liberia watching the slaughter on the beaches and streets of Monrovia and did sweet F*uk All.

Yeah this was after Somalia. You do recognize that the US were are a little more hesitant to join the same urban war where they could have the entire city turn against them. Did they have sufficent armour? Doubt they leave it sitting on warships. And there was no one to bail them out if something went wrong.

paddy_lo:
@Lordangers

Well I suspect that if there was conflict Nigeria would have to sieze An Airfield in Ghana,and fly in its Tanks and heavy equipment,Together with taking control of its Main port

Anyway its not gonna happen cause there is nothing in Ghana to go to war about. . . lol

Good pics. Liked the t-72 ones. And yes you probebly would take an air field but you have to take it first. You wouldnt have air support or armour as you couldnt transport it. Then your biggest transport air craft can not (lets get this straight), can not in any way carry more then 20,000 KG when the nessasery weight in KG for a t-72 is around 41,000 KG. That means you would need to break it down, transport it in 2/6 of your best transports (c-130)then send over engineers and crew to bring it back together (if it's that simple) and then ferry supplies continuasly. So you could probebly set up 2 tanks a week and keep supplying 4-6 by air.
Also im just saying you may invade Ghana say to topple an evil dicator that threatens Nigeria in some way so to hypothesize

Also you have shown me a source from one person in Sierre Leon. One persons view. Which is better then nothing but would you please from now on simply copy and paste the hyperlink so I can go directly as I am unfourtunalty completely clueless when it comes to whipping around new sites.
Oh yes and I just saw the post on how to use the site. Ok Ill have a look at it in the mourning thanks. By the sound of all the stuff you have accumilated it's quite impressive and promising

I have already explained that the Nigerian navy's patrol boats are out of range and are used against rebels. Not to mention none of them have a gun that can out-pound a 76mm auto-cannon. And as for the Corvettes well I think it's my trun to go looking for sources to prove you wrong. You've put so much in. Learnt a lot and I hope loads here have to

paddy_lo:
Togo and benin have no airforce or air defense system. . . .so what is to stop Nigerian military from flying through?

Also for the rest of your rant go to cybereagles.com

And see the Nigerian military capabilities. . .its 63pages long,and too long to post here

And the Nigerian Airforce can easily disable the Ghanian navy if it comes to that(Remember the falkland war?)

Anyway this arguement is getting academic
i'll put it to u like this,the Nigerian armed forces is the only one in the region that can project its power way beyond Nigeria
on land sea and air,and has the manpower and resources to do it. . .

Its like comparing china and taiwan. . .Nigeria has 10times the GDP of Ghana. . . .
If the worst comes about and there is need for conflict,we will take care of business

Again some nice pics. As for Togo and Benin you dont need an air force to stop someone violating you. There's plenty of routes like the UN they could take in bringing around some sanctions and simply doing an immediate trade freeze with you. They could support rebel groups or someone would start palling up with Ghana. And even if you did use their air space you still wouldnt have much flying time and there would be a much bigger reaction time compared to Ghana which means if Ghana sent up planes you wouldnt be able to stop them from the air. You would be heavily reliant on your air defenses on the ground which isnt really much to show off about. Even if you do transport it and set it up in time 
Also a lot of armour you showed were APC's used for the UN peace keeping missions. And how would you transport this stuff too Ghana


Nice facts. Nice and intresting but it's just a matter of getting it there across the sea. Also you havent told me how the Nigerian navy would restle control away from Ghana of it's seas. Patrol boats are out of range. Corvettes are not known to be operational and the Frigate is barely sea-worthy let a lone combat ready.

Cybereagles only takes me to a football site. Also I did not start this "rant". Infact it all came from a compliment to Nigeria's military.

paddy_lo:
NIGERIAN NAVY LOGISTICS SHIP AND PATROL CRAFT DOCKSIDE
https://i47.tinypic.com/28vajih.jpg

HEAVILY-ARMED GUNBOAT(OTTER LANDING CRAFT UTILITY) - 3 WEAPON STATIONS. Used by Nigerian Army Special Forces and Amphibious Forces in the Niger Delta.
https://i47.tinypic.com/w7hcpe.jpg

Nice pics paddy. The only prob is that they are patrol. Patrol ships that are out of range and you kindly pointed out they are for defensive purposes. Also not one of them had a 76mm auto cannon. Two of Ghanaians ships have that. Also could you please show me some stats like speed if you wouldnt mind. The Ghanains have 2 mine clearers, 2 large patrol ships and 2 logistics ships almost identical to the Nigerians.
As for the gunships you showed me (mi24 or whatever) are out of range too.

xterra2:
Well i can proudly say that is a lie!
It has improved

Wow thanks for your imput
Do you mind telling me why you think that. And if you do reply please try and include a source. please

paddy_lo:
@Lordangers

Your quip about Nigerias Navy deteriorating since 2001,shows u absolutely know nothing about Nigeria or its military

The last 10yrs of democratic rule has been the best for the military in terms of new equipment,training,professionalism,and a real boost in military spending

Obasanjo our former leader in 2006 alone spent over $4billion on new military hardware,ships,tanks and other stuff because of the Niger delta

This is in addition to secret of budget military spending financed by the NNPC

Lol ships for the Niger Delta. Thats patrol craft matey
Show me your ships have improved. I dont want to hear money I want to see that the ships are fixed. You look at the French Navies carrier. It's had engine problems and living on a propelar that wasnt designed for it which is slowing it down. Even with all their money they cant find a replacement propellar.

cap28:
yes but why spend so much money on military hardware when the govt has not even provided basic amenities to its people

also you should ask yourself why the nigerian govt invests so much in arms procurement, is nigeria at war with anyone?

could it be that these arms are purchased in order to repress any potential uprisings and ensure that the current crooks perpetuate themselves in power?

Personally I believe security in Nigeria is paramount. Especially with that North/South (Muslim/Christian) problem. Also it takes part in invaluable peace-keeping missions. I to dont agree in spending billions of dollers on equip if you have kids on the streets with no life ahead of them but you have to protect what you got. That oil needs to be defended for example. Real pitty though

paddy_lo:
The sophisticated Nigerian MIlitary equipment has mostly been bought in the last 10yrs. .
so anything before 2001,while still impressive is mostly old stuff. . .

Where exactly do u think ghana has money to buy these so called equipment?
our military budget alone is bigger than the countries total budget

Also we dont need an aircraft carrier to bomb Ghana as accra is only 50mins or so away from Nigeria

You dont get it do you? I said you couldnt fly through togo and Benin. Also why would you target Accra? Is it a Nigerian policy to attack civilians. I was refering to your air force having air supremacy and a ground support role. It can have neither. If you want air supremacy you need to be in Ghanaian air space for quite a while. Your J-7's only just have the ability to go to the west of Ghana and back. Your SEPECAT too would not be able to even do that.
As for your navy, your frigate is still only sea-worthy, if you can show me proof that your Corvettes are back up and running then go ahead and show me. I've shown you the Ghanaian navy so unless you can proove that those corvettes are working then there's no point carrying on. Even if the rest of Ghana's armed forces were shite, if the navy stopped you, who would care about the rest? I hvent said that Ghana bought loads of sophisticated equip. I have given names like Aermacchi MB-326 instead of being vague and saying "sophisticated equipment". Your generation of fighter air craft is third generation. The world has developed 4th, 4.5 and 5th generation fighters so I cant see any "sophisticated equip" there. Some of your army's MBT's were given to you in 1975 (VikersMk3) and the t-55 designed (as it appears to have come in batches so I cant give a transfer date) in 1956 (possibly with some upgrades like reactive armour). Only half of your t-55's remain operational and your Vickers isnt doing that bad in terms of serviceiability.
[color=Black]Do I have to ask again. Show me proof of Ghanaians running on their peacekeeping mission paddy lo[/color]

Also the Ghanian can be found on this page http://www.hazegray.org/worldnav/africa/africa.htm#6. You can also see the Nigerian ships. It was compiled in 2001 but the Nigerian navy has only deteoriated.

Lol you do realise that tanks and troops were transported through the countries of ECOMOG the same way every other nation that participated. You show me how they transported jets and armour by sea to their peacekeeping missions like what ships they used or what aircraft they used to transport to guinea or Liberia from Nigeria with no landings and back . They probebly wouldnt have that luxery of going through countries if it was against Ghana.
And where have you got your proof of Ghana troops running in Liberia? Also Ghana's air force consists of Aermacchi MB-326 and K8's which may not be fighter jets but like I said they wouldnt need to be if you cant transport your jets in range (i.e by carrier)
Also you have said "dont get me started" in the last three posts you've made, I think you have started.

Personally I've got to like this guy better then Mbeki. Mbeki was an fing looney at times like with the Zim thing, he only stopped an arms shipment when the dockworkers went on strike over it. Also as soon as Zuma came to power he saw that land form had to be put on hold. Why? Because he looked at the facts and it's sucsess rate (90% of farms given to black people were losing money). Even though he came from the poor background he saw sense. Im not some white guy asking for him to give it up. I would rather he did but he postponed it which is good enough for me. At least till he realises how to improve it. 
The one thing I dont like about him (aside from his negative private life especially in a region with a high rate of HIV) is his youth wing and who he's got in charge there. Im sure many of you know him. Julius Malema, you know the one who bases every political action he does on race (he said it himself), the fact he calls for the diamond mines to be given back to the "native people", the one who called a BBC journalist a bstrd and a colonial agent (remind you of anyone *cough*Mugabe*ough*) and finnaly, he won a debating competition. Something he was apparently proud of when he was talking to a radio hostess about how he had refused to join a debate with a lower party. And Mr Zuma continues to support him and he even positivly associates with him. I know he's young (Malema) and I suppose all young people are like that but im 15 and saying this is a load of poo and is being said by a guy who cant restrain himself.

Like I said it isnt a problem when you compare all your armour to Ghana but I am saying how would you get it all there? You'd probebly get may be under a dozen (no outside help from anyone) and the fighter jets your telling me about how do you get them in range of Ghana so they can fly there, drop their pay-load and fly back? They would have to around Benin and Togolese air space. Your ships dont have space to put them in without breaking them up. Nigeria is only able to transport all it's eqip through countries or others navies when it does peace-keeping missions. As for numbers that probebly is a weakness but I suppose they (ghana) would use the ones they got and attempt to hold out till militias can be brought in. You report cowardice. Can you please show me your source like the site.
The Ghanaians would probebly never engage in air to air combat and would use them (the jets) soley as ground attack. Also again how would your transport your helicopted gun-ships. It could even be argued that you wouldnt get past the Ghanian navy. Your frigate is just sea-worthy, your corvettes mostly in a similar or worse position and your large-patrol ships out of range.
The Ghanaian air force is limited in it's capcities but it is existent.
As for it'sarmour well it's mostly used on peace-keeping missions so the crews would have expieriance unlike yours for your MBT's because well they are rarely ever used and are involved in a different type of combat where they cant be blown up from the sky or by another MBT.
BTW Im not doing this on some sort of patriotic duty. I am not Ghanaian or African.

BTW some great pics paddy lo. Good thread to start and continue. I see a lot of people didnt give you much slack especially when you tried to get on with the topic and be the mature one.

Also Edeuxx if you said Ghana I wouldnt blame you. I'd say they could hold their own for a quite a while if Nigeria went by sea to Ghana. I know it would probebly never happen but just saying if by some miracle it did then Ghana would do pretty well. It's pretty disiplined and well organised + equiped. I mean they use the M16 whilst the Nigerians have that but not enough to make it the core weapon. It's made up of too much. Yes in terms of armour it would over-whelm Ghana if they could get it there. Yet it's Navy is usually in-operable compared to Ghana. As for the air-force well it would have to around Benin and I dont think they can do that whithout air-refueling. So the Ghanaians again would usually have that sort of advantage. And their armoured veachiles arnt that bad (Ghana). They could probebly compensate for the limited armour Nigeria brings.

@ eddeux: Who do you think has the best military in west Africa?

@cap28
Do you know anything about the Nigerian military. They sucsessfully spear-headed the first African peace force (ECOMOG) with other neighbours in countries like Liberia, Sierre Leon and Guinea Bissau. Thats what sort of rewards there are for having the no1 military in the region